Joscho Stephan's Swiping Sixes
Вставка
- Опубліковано 27 січ 2022
- The amazing @JoschoStephan demonstrating some of the smoothest swiping on the block! What is swiping? It's a term we coined to describe when you alternate pick through a muted string. It's not sweeping, because you don't actually want to hear the swipe. You just want to get through the string so you can continue alternate picking. It's used in situations where you have a picking motion that is trapped in between the strings, but you need to get to the other side. In this clip, the amazing Joscho Stephan shows us just how stealthy swiping can really be. Joscho is using his Gypsy technique here, and in that picking style, downstrokes stay trapped between the strings. So after the third note of the pattern, the downstroke on the B string, the pick needs to actually hit the high E string during the string change. As you can see and hear, it's butter smooth and super effective as a string switching mechanism. It is not a mistake - it's a thing players learn subconsciously because it works. If you film and study lots of players as we do, this is the kind of thing you see all the time.
🙌
Amazing playing here! Thanks again for doing that conversation.
Clean as hell
Hes a beast !!!
Joscho Stephan is a monster! So many other guitarist's from all over Europe too.
Joscho is awesome!
Bireli Lagrene is better
@@MisterPoppy-sc1sj one of the leading euros, joscho is close. Dont miss angelodebarre and others
Rosenbergs
As if I needed more reminders that my acoustic playing needs work
How does he pass through the high E silently to make the first pick on the high E an upstroke?? 🧙♂️
Fretting hand muting, downward pickslanting, and a little edge picking. When he frets the B string, the fretting fingers rest on the high E, muting it. That takes care of most of the sound. Also, the downward pickslant, with a little edge picking, helps the pick flop over the string. It all works together, and is very cool.
@@troygrady I do the same thing sometimes and I every time I notice it I stop myself because I want to slant the pick in the right direction rather than sliding over the muted string. It's just a me thing 🤣
Please react Guitar player, finger style, bohemian rhapsody by queen ua-cam.com/video/6RN8BoBLj2E/v-deo.html
Very well.
Hey Troy, any thoughts on contacting Marshall Harrison again and doing a video on his unique Swyrbd picking? I notice in the first Marshall interview it was all about just standard sweeping. With respect to all the amazing players you get on your channel, Marshall play's faster and more efficiently than all of them with swybrd, so I would have thought it would be great vid to make about the mechanics of it. Cheers for everything you do!
What a monster player!
Insane! What guitar is that?
Pick it son! 😉👍
Hey Troy, correct me if I’m wrong but basically this proves that you can switch between strings when you play 3 notes in one string without changing the orientation of the pic! Just pure alternate picking!
Generally yes, but the pick's "orientation" isn't really relevant. It's the picking motion and the direction it is moving. Players like And Wood and Paul Gilbert play scales by changing the direction the pick is moving to get over the string. But you will not see any change in "pickslant" when this happens. You can read more about how this works here ( troygrady.com/primer/picking-motion/primary-plus-secondary-motion/ ). But the way Joscho is doing it here is more economical. Joscho is just using one picking motion the whold time, but allowing the pick to hit the string during the string change, and using muting to deaden the sound of the contact. This is a perfectly valid way to play when it sounds good, and I think it does sound sonically perfect in this example. But it's the difference between using one motion to play a passage (Joscho) and mixing different motions inside a single phrase (Andy, Paul, etc.).
Does anyone know the model guitar Troy used on his Cracking the Code series?
Hey Troy,
another great video on an amazing channel with awesome content.
Thxamillion!
I have a little question about holding the pick and using the joint of the thumb:
Is it of any relevance how far the tip of thumb is protruding the pick?
And is the so-called circlepicking only
useful with a highgain sound due to the much lighter attack?
Caesario Filho and Takayoshi Ohmura seem to use circlepicking in addition to the wrist,especially when playing fast.
Best regards from Bavaria
Are you asking about the thumbnail going past the side of the pick, or the amount of the point of the pick sticking out below the grip? When we film players, we see a wide variety of both. This doesn't mean there is no "relevance", just that there is wide variation, and the reason may be based on multiple factors we don't yet understand. However, anyone who says it must be one way or another is probably not correct, the evidence is very clear that elite level players do a variety of things. When you say "circle picking", I assume you mean "picking motion using the fingers". Because most picking motions, even by players who use finger motion, don't usually create a circle. I think that term is a leftover from years past before we actually filmed people to see what they are really doing. It is true that finger motion is generally quieter - just look at Yngwie playing an acoustic. Finger motion is also very often single escape, and very often that is upstroke escape - again, like Yngwie. When a motion is upstroke escape, it works mainly with Gypsy / Yngwie type lines where the last note on every string is an upstroke ( troygrady.com/primer/picking-motion/usx-motion/ ). Just because a player tries to use a single escape motion to play other types of lines doesn't mean it's going to sound particularly clean, and this is something we see all the time when people send us footage of their playing.
@@troygrady Thank you so much for your fast and detailed answer.
All the best for you and your beloved ones
Hey i have a question.
Why does his fretting hand(right) is titled in a diagonal way?
This kind of playing seems to apply unnecessary pressure on the hand, and in your instructional videos about the orientation of the hand i saw a different approach, more "straight" hand.
Is this something that is unique to joscho? Or is it an conventional way of picking.
Hope that you will answer me.
Hey Troy, always great content, any chance for a video with Guthrie Govan?
As amazing as Guthrie is, I'm not really sure he's got anything that Troy would be particularly interested in. Every guitarist he normally gets on the channel is one who's technique stands out in a certain area, like Frank Gambale with sweeping, or Martin miller with cross picking. Guthrie doesn't really have anything in his technique like that, he's literally just amazing at everything. It's more Guthrie's improvisational abilites that make him one of the best as opposed to his technique
Great stuff I’m in the middle of the antigravity seminar now.
Once again, fair warning, if you haven't gone through the Primer yet, I really don't recommend trying to watch Antigravity. It's old and is not the simplest way to learn picking motions. At least not until you have done the Primer basics.
@@troygrady thanks for checking troy. I did get your message, I’ve seen the pickslanting primer actually. The swiping stuff is all really great to see, I’m so glad that people use this technique with the most success possible. I just need to master it.
Does he play electric guitar like that too? Has anyone tried this way of picking on electric guitar? I wonder if the muting works even with high gain.
It can work. I'm experimenting with it and it does work if done properly, but I think there's always going to be a little noise if you're on high gain. However the next note is going to fool the ear in most cases so that it's not very noticeable in a full band mix. Not ideal, but very usable.
Any idea what pick he is using?, seems to be bending pretty good. But it's working great for him. I would say I'm going back to the drawing board, but I never leave it lol too much to learn!!!
This was a pretty heavy gauge pick, over 1mm, so I don't think it was bending much. What you're probably noticing is grip flop, i.e. the pick moving in his grip. Which means he's holding it a little loosely and allowing it to wiggle. You can still get a loud attack this way, because it will eventually backstop against the thumb as you press into the string. Controlling flop to control attack is common and it's cool that you can actually see it in the closeup camera.
@@troygrady awesome, makes perfect sense! Thanks for all your work you put Into your videos. You have changed my playing and my approach to playing lead a great deal.
Paul Gilbert die the same thing on his IntensRock 2 Video. While doing his signature lick at that time which he allegedly stole from Al di Meola.
Looks like quite a floppy pick for a gypsy player....do you know what gauge it is?
It's a 1.8mm Wegen Big City
The pick is not floppy, it's a pretty heavy gauge. What you're seeing is grip flop. Even though the pick appears to move, it won't move past a certain point. So you can still get a loud attack when you want it, even with grip flop.
So this is how Marty Friedman's pick hand works. Neat.
Marty uses a similar forearm and wrist orientation, but the joints used in the picking motion itself are different, with more finger interaction. We looked at that a little bit in this lesson here ( ua-cam.com/video/EnrXIu6xCHY/v-deo.html )
I suppose my only issue with this technique would be lack of ability to palm mute. It was a problem Marty Friedman had with a similar picking style, and not just with palm muting, but keeping adjacent strings from ringing out. Marty himself has talked about the downsides to his picking technique, even admitting to having someone standing next to him physically muting his strings for him while he played certain parts in the studio. Of course, this kind of thing is much more of an issue when playing hi-gain metal as opposed to acoustic.
We did a whole video on this very subject. Short story, you'd be surprised how quiet those other strings can be when (1) the gain is high, and (2) you don't hit them. Here's the link ( ua-cam.com/video/DkbPKna7uIM/v-deo.html )
Nice! I caught myself doing this in the past and was a bit divided about considering it "wrong™" or not, but decided to be pragmatic and just worry about what it actually sounded (and felt) like
If it sounds good, it IS good!
What's TM mean, Technique?
@Troy Grady Methinks a certain swede is known for saying such things. 🤘
He’s alternate picking right? Am I missing something?
Yeah he's alternate picking
If you notice the pick is clearly under 1mm, we can see it bending and still the picking precision is impeccable.
He uses a pick that is 1.8mm
Hi, Grady what you think about directional picking vs alternate picking? Ref: ua-cam.com/video/Q7JaVVFt0kk/v-deo.html
I'm still surprised about the way he is able to play, with such control of the strokes while NOT resting any part of his right hand on the guitar.
The body anchor, with a little finger / body contact, is a super solid setup. It's also really easy to reach all six strings with very little movement. You don't even have to lift the body anchor or slide the arm, it's pretty cool.
Troy, I’ve never recommended trying to get a specific player on the show before, but I’m HIGHLY recommending Miles Dimitri Baker, or that you at least check him out if you’ve never heard of him, some of the cleanest and most beautiful alternate picking technique I’ve ever seen.
Why move your body when you only have to twist your rist? Me like arrrrrrr,,,tttt zzzz shaking !!!
Don't be fooled by what picking motions look like - economy is a ratio of what you want to get out of a motion versus what you have to put into it. On an acoustic instrument, this motion will produce lots of speed and loudness without fatigue. It is a combination of forearm and wrist joint action, working together. It's famously used by Gypsy players like Joscho, but it also one of the most common picking motions in the world, used on instruments like the Oud, Cavaquinho, Cuatro, and more.
@@troygrady dont get me wrong : Im amazed by this virtuoso.
Not a problem, I'm just answering your question. Why use this motion? Because it has useful properties like speed and low fatigue while playing loudly.
Dennis Chang made some videos about the origin and reason of this technique
ua-cam.com/video/YLIBid5E42Q/v-deo.html
Full aternate picking, not sweepicking
sure would like to have one o them camera mounts, its like the one I helped fund A FEW YEARS AGO ON KICKSTARTER!!!
Presumably you have seen our very detailed recent update, so you know that the latest samples look and work great. You are also familiar with all the technical challenges that lead to this point, and how/why it has taken this long. If you haven't watched that, you can find it a few videos back on our channel.
That's illegal!
Excuse me, can you talk a little slower.
2secs after, me: Thank you.... 🙃
Ha!