Haney vs Lomachenko - Post Fight Analysis
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2023
- Here are my post-fight thoughts and breakdown for Haney vs Lomachenko. A close fight, but was it the wrong decision?
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Shit like this is why judges should have post fight conferences where they explain their decision to interviewers. Right now they're too protected and distant. Having post fight conferences allow people to drill them and question them. But we all know that would never happen.
Totally agree!
Q. Wouldn't you agree that this was an amazing face paced highly skilled fight? Yes or no?
Did you see how excited and happy Haney was to defeat a FOH?
This was a huge win for him while remaining the youngest Undisputed champion. It showed that 4 years of hard work, dedication and discipline paid off. It was like a graduation in my opinion for Haney. He went thru the fire. Loma proved he wasn't old or small. Loma is an amazing Future HOF boxer!!!
Of course they are protected, they are free masons. Not only these "judges" from boxing but ALL of them from " judiciary system" and not only that, the list goes on and on .
I 100% agree either that or Open scoring throughout the rounds. I DON'T think Loma got robbed besides on that 116-112 card that judge was straight up smoking crack bro. Judges should need to get drung and alcohol tested the day of the match after that card.
@@seeya101oliASWHDFIL And what exactly is your point? Loma was getting hit super clean by the youngest Undisputed Champion in Boxing history 4 belt era. All 3 judges scored the fight for Haney.
CompuBox is not official for the winner.
Moretti was the same “judge” who scored indefensibly for Leonard in Hagler-Leonard. Inexcusable to have 3 American judges, one of whom has a well-deserved reputation for corruption. Boxing is killing itself for short-term reward by people who shouldn’t have that opportunity without the requirement to defend their cards.
He also scored 118-110 landslide victory for Mayweather against pacquiao.
@@BloodyEdge that was him?
It was a bad card, but really is not relevant. Even if he scores it 116-112 for Loma, Haney still wins
AND STILL.....🥊🏆🥇
I Thought Leonard won with 1 point
There's a round by round video on UA-cam it clearly shows Loma won comfortably.
the one where the leave out like a quarter of the punches to make it look biased?
@@will-zj5gq sorry sir, they didn't include Haney's training camp punches
@@aashishsharma9106 cope haney won. nothing y’all do will change that
He took it down. I wonder why 🤔
@Ethan Luaders this is ironic because the black guy won and we have verifiably evidence that this is true, but yet you cannot accept reality because your an emotional cry baby.
Loma landed 102 shots the whole fight. Haney landed 46 shots the whole fight. It was not a "close fight" by any means, only by appearance.
124 to 110 men,look it again,and haney connevt 27% loma 20%,body shot haney 50 loma less than 10
ua-cam.com/video/Fo7retCUBbs/v-deo.html
Jab 20 to 29
Power punches 90 to 95
What your saw men haney landed 46 lol
Lmao, everytime Haney throw to the body and hit the elbow or arm, all of Haney's people be like "did yall see that body shot 😂😂😂😂.
Haney beat loma bad
@@SeanJoseph-dg1ed
He block all of loma punch with his face, great defense 😆😆😆
@@motgnay7065 this funny because lima’s face was the one that looked like he was blocking haney’s punches with his face
@@will-zj5gq
If Haney wasn't black you would notice 😂😂. if you take a before and after picture, his lip don't look the same, look like he got them lips done lmao😂😂
@@will-zj5gq what’s even more funny is Haney has been wearing sunglasses for the last 5 days. Lol.
Loma clapped haneys cheeks
He had Devin freaking out in his corner
The look of fear 😂
Dude, where did you get the idea there was fear in Haney🤔? Haney was in there focusing on boxing and very skillful boxer. You people don't even make sense.
@@cnwil4594 HANEY was scared the whole fight. He was telling his dad, "He knows what I'm doing, I can't go left. He keeps throwing that straight left, he's throwing it twice" his voice was quivering when he said it
@@hakeemolajuwon4352fr
Agreed. There were some moments where he looked lost in the corner and his pops had to lie and say he’s winning when he was literally just battered in the prior round.
AND STILL THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION....DEVIN THE DREAM HANEY, not Loma😂🤣
A draw should have been the best possible outcome for Haney
Agreed. I do think he made the first 9 rounds very competitive and I think he won the 12th. Although I think Loma won, I think he still had to push just a little more. After all Haney is a Vegas boy, fighting in Vegas with the Nevada Athletic commission judging...
He won give him his flowers
Judges where spot on
7-5 Loma is the closest I can see it--if I give Haney the benefit of every conceivable doubt. Loma landed over twice as many punches. Compubox numbers were almost as far off as the judges were.
@@BoxingLife Loma shouldn’t have to push harder. Both fighters should be held to the same standards to win, regardless of who is the current champ or nationality.
The world knows who really won, the audience at the fight gave a loud Boo!! To Haney!
True !
Booed Floyd to 1 billion and 50-0 …Haney don’t need you fake fans and casual types …undisputed undefeated and millions…24 …Loma was still in the amateur ranks at 24 … remember…he has 10 years to do even more in the sport ..Loma can go cry 😭
@@mrinternational777Exactly! These new Era fans go by the commentators and crowds reactions 😂
@@mrinternational777To keep it 💯 Lomas best days are behind him. the only reason the fight was even competitive is cause Haney don't have no real pop. Otherwise, the accumulation of body shots would've put an end to that fight
@@mrinternational777experts and fans overwhelmingly agree Loma won
loma predator
Haney prey
It was a clear robbery.
Loma dominated Devin Haney, pushed him back, dictated the pace, hurt him.
Oh hell yea.
I watched twice. Cannot see what you're talking about.
Lmao clear robbery. The Ukraine sucks
@@cosmofox watched the wrong fight then, it's Vasily Lomachenko vs Devin Haney
Exactly, Loma was drowning this man and his delusional fans keep lying to themselves
Ive watched this twice. And again after watching the fight 4 times i got loma 7/5. I look at the overall fight. Haney did land some great body shots. But the fact loma landed more jabs too. When that's haneys best skill shows how much loma controlled this fight. Loma startes faster too imo. Haney was flustered. Rd 9 he told his dad " hes got me figured out.
How you watch a fight 4 times and still wrong 💀😂 sucks loma is a sore loser tho he kinda acted like a hoe
I agree I had it 7-5 as well for Loma I thought Loma should have gotten a decision for at the very least a draw at what point in the fight did Haney have Loma really hurt Loma had Haney really buzzed and his legs wobbly if Loma would have had another round or two he could have stopped Haney
Fight was 8-4 LOMA even if you pander it’s still 7-5 LOMA
Personally I feel 7-5 Loma is the most accurate.
🧢
@@superdflye you don’t know boxing
@@18thSTVATO 😂😂😂 ok and you do 👍🏿
@@BoxingLife 7-5 for Loma is biased towards Haney 🤦♂
Clear cut robbery. No way Devin won that fight.
Have you read what Haney wrote on Twitter calling him a privileged sore loser get him out of boxing and that it was his to win lol three American judges on the judging panel
How is a close fight with multiple swing rounds a “clear cut robbery” please explain😂🤦🏾
@@boxingnicc4629 The rounds weren't that close. The only close rounds were rounds 1 and rounds 12. Other than that, it was a clear Loma victory. The fact that I have so many upvotes tells you that.
@@funkrates4778 yea that’s crazy😂😂😂if you think most of the rounds “wasn’t” close. Haney got most of the rounds just off ring generalship because loma would work in spurts. You can’t work in spurts and expect to get the full round. Also do you even know the 4 criteria’s of boxing? Without looking them up?
@@boxingnicc4629 Do you? The only people who think Haney won are Haney fangirls. Congratulations on being in that SMALL club.
I think Loma won, but he should have known that going to decision was a big mistake. But to be honest Haney was at his best, seing him pivoting at the same time as Loma is pretty impressive.
Lol not really Haney is a lot bigger so pivoting isn’t that difficult for him, loma is 35 he’s well past his best Haney is trash he was a lot bigger younger and still fought to a draw or lost makes you wonder if it’s fixed before it’s starts you can’t stop him things like that it’s a shit sport to follow I cba with any more
@@NWO2023trash ?? Then what does that make the loser ? Haneys top dawg get over it
@@mopar_keys how is he couldn’t t even beat old little loma convincing
@@NWO2023what? How is being bigger make pivoting more easy?
I genuinely wept when they announced the decision...I was so heartbroken for Hi tec
So you think Haney earned points for “keeping Loma at bay”??? Didn’t know that was on the scorecards
Never said he earned points for that. But it wasn’t like Loma was dominating Haney in the first 9 rounds like he was in the 11th.
@@BoxingLifeWait what did you watch? Loma landed his first combination with 1:43 in the first round. He had multiple combinations in the 2nd and by the 3rd he was working the angles snapping Haney's head back with single, double and triple straight lefts! Seriously please explain to me how HANEY took most of the first 9 rounds
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 I never said he took most of the first 9 rounds. But Loma didn't dominate him. They were close..and this is coming from someone that had Loma winning.
@@BoxingLife but that's just it, Loma when did you have to dominate to win rounds. There were literally no clear rounds for HANEY, all Haney's rounds were
@Upper Westside Gunn compubox says otherwise. Facts/Feelings.
Really good fight
Loma won
No he didn’t win. Haney did
@@rizzcool5983
In my opinion loma for robbed
@@rizzcool5983HANEY got his azz whooped
How is 116-112 a bad card? Y’all do realize multiple swing rounds could’ve gone Haney way☠️☠️☠️🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾.
If you watch boxing nowadays, you don't just need to expect an accurate judging from judges. Just watch carefully for us to know who is the real winner. Because judges are biased, Commentators are biased, referees are biased too. Now, how can we rely on them? Some boxers are victims of toying by them. They manipulated the boxing world because they are greedy. They dont care of what might happen in the future of boxing. Boxing world become worst because of them.
Agreed
I’d say it comes back to the boxing association. The judges work for them.
Look buddy, look at the punch count and the judges scorecards. All the judges gave Loma the 2nd and 3rd rounds cuz he landed more, but even tho Loma outlanded HANEY by more in the 12th and dominated the 10th the judges gave them to HANEY. This was a full fledged robbery
Don’t argue boxing fans are usually brain dead they don’t know anything lol loma won and the proof is there plus he blocked a lot of punches to the body and people don’t talk about it
@@nortexnewberry3103 did you watch the punch count video on Artarias Boxing channel? You should check it out
Agree… they can never show me which round where Haney landed one clean scoring shot to Loma's face snapping his head back. Bob Arum resigned Haney 2 days before the fight. I believe, as a result, the money pigs are out in full force doing what’s good for their financial interests…. It's good for their yt channels cause they continue to get on-the-ground interview access.
Loma himself said he lost the 12th round …so it wasn’t just the judges…you listen to the judges when they give Loma rounds but we shouldn’t listen when Haney wins Rounds? Your not boxing fans your Loma fans 😢…without Merretti scorecard of 116 112 -the other 2 scored it perfect 👍7 rounds to 5 Haney …3 times Loma lost and all we hear is robbery and excuses 😢 never can you except defeat like a man him and his fans are cry babies 😢😢😢….He never did enough to win and that’s the reality …against Ortiz Loma got a scorecard of 117 -111 😮Ortiz out punched him according to compbox so why did none of fans talk of Robbery? If the fight goes to Loma it’s fair ? If the rounds go to Loma it’s fair ? Your all Hypocrites and it’s sad 😢so many of you are ruining the sport 😢
@@mrinternational777 Loma did not say that, he said he "gave it away", which means I stopped putting my full effort into it, yet he still landed more total punches and more power punches and ended the fight with a 3 punch combination right to the head and body! The scorecards prove you wrong, the live footage proves you wrong, the punch count videos prove you wrong, everything proves Haney lost and Loma beat him
Loma for the win or at worst a draw. No way Haney won, Loma made him look very average. Haney did an excellent job of stopping Loma's punches with his face....
Are you still crying about it to this day?😂😂
The problem is Haney's body shots like the one in 1:38 is being counted as an effective body shot.
Like what?? That CLEARLY hits Loma's elbows. Idk if people are doing this on purpose or not.
I gave Haney 1 threw 7 and 12, Loma 8 . 9 10 , 11 , Haney was getting the cleaner punches, while Loma was throwing Flurries that weren't connecting most of the time.
What? Haney wasn’t landing clean he had moments but loma slipped and block most of Haney jabs.
Idk what fight you watched Loma landed cleaner shots to the chin
Handy 1 through 7 was at least in it.
After that he was just trying to survive.
Thank you for your work.
Boxing is scored round by round, 10-9 is 10-9 and Haney won 7 rounds. A close fight that should be a rematch, but Devin won.
Ring generalship, combinations, style(yes that counts too in the decision), cleanest shots all go in favor of Loma. Some people think that bodyshots count way more than they actually do. They are just a tool to wear the opponent down and to make them lower the guard. Unless it did actual damage a bodyshot almost doesnt count in scoring the round.
Body shots do count and score higher than head shots if they did enough damage. Some of the close rounds where they both split the success of the 4 criterias down the middle Loma still outlanded Haney. ESPN gave Haney round 2 but Loma outlanded Haney in it. I had Loma winning rounds 1-3 based off better punches landed and more punches landed because Loma threw combinations which is what Bradley kept screaming for Haney to do. Also Loma won rounds 8-11 aswell giving 7 round score
A UD happens in a fight like this when bribed judges see the guy who's supposed to win getting a beatdown, because they get worried the other judges are going to have it scored heavily for the other guy. So they start giving every possible point to the one they're helping thinking they'll need to give a solid win since the other judges might not
Him jumping up and down says it all 😂
Because he WON genius
@@ForGlory1 judges gave Haney rd 10 😆 he knew he lost that's why he did the most in the celebration he never does that
There’s a video that got taken down. It showed all the shots in slow-mo and the effectiveness, showing Loma winning rounds 1-5 and winning the fight. I wonder why it got taken down for copyright when’s there’s a bunch of other vids still up 🤷♂️
Loma didn't win rounds 1-5 but he did win rounds 1-3 and 8-11 aswell. Haney adjusted and frustrated Lomas ring generalship from rounds 4-7 by keeping his distance and boxing more on his back foot. Loma kicked it into another gear and won rounds 8-11 ( 9 being the closer of the 4). Loma won 7-5 by SD. He got robbed
Loma was outboxed and went to the hospital for broken ribs which was never refuted by Him or His People
Devin DID land lots of body shots that to Me NO Loma wasn't blocking well at all, those shots just landed, the respectable Pop Devin has kept Loma honest
Haney boxed amazingly, for a 23 year old majorly impressed, unfortunately for him loma won that one, sad to see this in boxing but I think Haney would have received huge recognition had it been awarded to loma, loma has been robbed of the history books, his legacy, will Haney still be around at that level at 38 years old?
Haneys 24 and Loma’s 35
@@jus1047 Canelo 23 (Champion) Floyd was 36
I noticed that Vegas Judges are biased to knockout artists and Mayweather style fighters.
Everyone needs to see that Artorios boxing channel video: LANDED PUNCH COUNT, it's crazyyy 🤯
WATCH THAT SHIT FOR REAL! You gonna flip TF out I promise!
hi,Boxing life if you see this can you pls do a boxing breakdown of Pinklon THomas.Thank you
Salute to the guy who made this video!
UK guys most of the time keep it honest & real!
Don’t listen too the
Viva boys or boxing ego type guys😂
Thank you! 👊
@@BoxingLife brother i thought loma won too! But I looked at it again! It was a draw or they could give it to Haney! Loma should have not gave him rounds!
It's sad that loma will never be undisputed. too bad he can't make the inoue classes! He could have been undisputed! The apace he's in just too competitive!
@@BoxingLife but salute to you! Hope you stay non bias! We need more of this today! In the boxing field! It way too many casuals & fanboys
I remember Floyd said he doesn't use shoulder roll with South Paws...
Give Haney his flowers
What?! HANEY got dominated with the straight left. Not just one straight left, but single, double and triple straight lefts right to the face that were sending him into the ropes. What fight did you watch? LOMA made HANEY bounce around the ring with solid shots to the head and body. Loma was mixing it up going high then going low then straight down the middle. Dude HANEY got beat up
😂 Floyd also fought like a man. A few body shots don't win you are fight mate. This is the same thing they did against Lopez. If low peasant's face look like it was hit by a door. And Devon Haney can't come out with O glasses on what does that tell you ? They only do that when their eyes are swollen shut. Loma had redness from the leather hitting his face did he hide it? If you think that Haney won that fight, you are as disingenuous as Devin is. And if Haney was so secure in his win why not offer a rematch? Is he scared of the guy he just beats so clearly? 😂 The problem with the majority of you is you have no common sense and you can't think rationally. This was simply a way to give a new champion with the big social media following who's a younger guy the belts. No one expected George to beat Lopez. They thought Lopez would run right through George. And the opposite happened. And as far as I'm concerned Loma earned each one of those belts. Is Haney fought George who is a terrible fighter. He's a tough guy hes adorable but hes a terrible fighter hes a punching bag for a real technical boxers ? You can even see on Devon social media how much hes trying to push the narrative to make himself feel better. 😂 The whole boxing community knows Loma was robbed. And if you believe it then you're blowing as much smoke as Haney is up his own @$$
I honestly struggle to find many rounds to give Loma in the first half of the fight
You prob struggle to look for cars when you cross the road.
Roadkill
Which as chance would have it would be a great description of Haney. He was just trying to survive in there. But he did manage to make it across the road.
Be careful.
If it was 15 rounds Loma by KO
We need to change the way fights are judge asap
Great detailed analysis and breakdown. I think it was a very close fight. 116-112 was ridiculous but a pit decision or draw makes far more sense. Thanks for this
Close fight. No robbery, people just getting emotional. Could have gone either way. Draw would have been okay. Loma later admitted he took round 12 off. I think he wasn't being truthful. He may have just ran out of energy. Only robbery was one of the judges scorecard
100% robbery. Could only go one way. Go educate your eyes and check out various UA-camrs showing the punches between both fighters. Overwhelmingly in lomas favor 😂. This madness must stop
According to people lomas been "robbed" like 3 times
Robbed 2 times, Teo beat him fair and square, but Loma was carrying an injury into the fight and that wasn't Teos fault just very poor management!
Haney used that lead hand and long frame to avoid
Loma to get up close and use his flurry of combinations, we saw him try to time that straight right or rear uppercut whenever
Loma closed the distance.
Loma however looked to use more upperbody movement this time round to get past that lead hand of
Haney, and he looked to jab or double up on it to get up close and work inside and
Haney would look to engage a clinch, we saw his change of angles at times to get the positional advantage and his constant pressure throughout the fight.
Need to fullt watch the fight to see who should of won.
Yes Haney adjusted by rounds 4-7 ( and won them) by keeping his distance to upset Lomas mid-range rhythm he established from rounds 1-3. Loma won rounds 1-3 by landing the better punches and landing more in them because he threw combinations. Haney won 4-7. Not sure why ESPN gave Haney round 2 and tried to fake punch count (Haney - 10; Loma - 9) when it was (Loma - 19, Haney - 13). Also they did not land 6 a piece in round 1, they both landed 6 power shots evenly but Loma outlanded Haney (in total) based on the jab. ( Loma - 9, Haneys - 6)
My score card
Devin: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12
Loma: 3(toss up) 8, 10, 11
Round 2: Lomas best moment was at 1:05-:59 a flurry but not enough and flurry at the end of the round.
Round 5: loma had moments but i feel Devin controlled more distance and the round.
Round 6: Loma started to get active at 1:45 but i feel again it wasn’t enough especially since he let him take the last 30 of the round.
Round 7: Lomas best moment was at 2:35 and landed so straights but again i feel like haney controlled the round.
Round 8: you can edge it to loma he had a good moment at 2:25 and had a good straight at :45 but i believe haney landed the more crisper punches.
Round 9: loma had his moment at 1:17 and he landed 2 punches that snapped devs
head back but Devin controlled the round.
Round 10: loma dominated
Round 11: loma dominated
Round 12: Devin won loma didn't press on the gas.
Loma's actually been handling it well now, says he's sleeping great at night since so many people have told him he won the fight. As the interview was going on, multiple random people stopped by and told him he won lol
I went thru and counted clean shot and grazing shots with absolutely no bias and loma outlanded haney by far no doubt loma clearly won
🧢😂
There’s already several videos in slow motion counting each shot and even if you’re generous to Haney he still loses unquestionably.
I seen the same vid bro, but it’s taken down now 👀
@@jus1047 I saw that too dude got paid to shut it up real quick the hush money is real af out here
They shouldn't put the video in slow-mo to count because the fight stat officials don't do that. You count in normal pace carefully but use the in-between rounds highlights to edit your numbers when needed. I do this all the time to expose compuboxs corruption all the time. They don't even count anymore they just throw out BS numbers to discredit a fighter in order to make their more "marketable" (money maker) look better. Compubox and Fightstats are a bunch of false storytellers. If you looked at their numbers before you saw the fight you would have thought the fight was closer, or more dominate than what the fight actually was/is.
@@Bobo28919 right I don’t think you should judge a fight that way but it’s there to expose the corruption and the inadequacy of the judges ability to determine what is going on in the fight. Loma won unquestionably and if you analyze the footage with the highest level of scrutiny meaning in slow motion you’ll find loma lands double the amount of blows and counters nearly all his punches and blocks several that were scored in Haney’s favor. The same with the Lopez fight loma whooped both of their asses and it wasn’t even a close fight it only looked that way to casuals and inexperienced people who don’t know how to take their eyes off their preferred fighter. Not to mention you’re 100% right on favoring the “money maker” potential vs the reality of the fight.
@@chrisvillarreal2752 I agree. Loma did whoop Teos ass in the rounds that he won but I scored it a draw 6-6. Loma won rds 2,6,8-11 and Teo 1,3,4,5,7,12. Loma could only fight his way to a draw because of having the wrong game plan but he would beat Teo easier in a rematch. I had to recount the punch connects that fight because the numbers didn't make any sense and discovered that they tampered with his numbers because they were looking to cash him out to push Teo forward. They also deflated Teos numbers as well. Loma landed 239/370 = 67% and Teo 151/559 = 21% (somewhere identical to these numbers). ESPN tried to lie and say Lopez landed more when common sense should of told them that a guy throwing combinations accurately is always going to land more especially since Lopez was missing A WHOLE LOT. Yes your right Lopez missing ALLLOOOT and those are the numbers to prove it.
The judges ruined boxing.
LOMA ROBBED, CALL POLICE
Combinations punch stats favored Loma. He was snapping his head and keep Haney confused. Bro It wasn't even close. Haney was just a npc fighter with fundementals he had some decent hooks and good body shots but it wasn't enough for an impressive round win imo. Loma was consistent in combinations and he was sharper at the head the Haney. I'd give Haney props he handled that well knowing his style is super bad in mid / close range inside and Loma proved it.
Vasily Lomachenko starting his
career in professional boxing, in the second fight he received a shameful decision of the judges as a result of which he could not win and set a professional boxing record, namely, to become, already in the second professional fight, the world champion among professionals. And they should have, simply and decisively, disqualified his opponent. But on the basis of the results of this fight, a world boxing record for blows below the belt was set and the title of the blindest referee in the ring in the history of boxing was awarded.
And now, at the final stage of his boxing career, Vasily Lomachenko again receives another vile blow, an unfair decision of the judges in a fight, which finally lowers the judicial system into mud, excrement, manure and the like. This unprofessional, I would say obviously deliberate and dirty, decision of the judges will finally turn millions of fans around the world away from professional boxing.
I strongly urge all respected and self-respecting authoritative people associated with boxing to demand that the boxing associations and the referee organization immediately change the decision on the outcome of the Lomachenko-Haney fight. And the victory and the title of World Champion to Vasily Lomachenko!
NOT REVENGE
Because Vasily Lomachenko won in this particular fight.
And the revision of the decision on the result of the battle and the award of victory and the title of world champion to the true winner!
Word bro.
American corruption
ive seen the judge score cards and i have learned to score 10 to 9 (or less) only in cases if i see a clear wins. Ive only given 10 to 9 to loma in 10th and 11th round, and all other rounds 10 to 10 because they both had their scores in those rounds without any significant damages to the opponent
I prefer this style of scoring too. All close rounds should just be 10/10, 9/9, and only clear dominant easy to score rounds should be scored 10/9, 10/8. Makes it much harder for judges to cheat, etc.
This so called win for Haney will haunt him until the end, another sad day in boxing.
Q. Wouldn't you agree that this was an amazing face paced highly skilled fight? Yes or no?
Also him being haunted? Come on sir, I highly doubt that will happen. Didn't you see how excited and happy Haney was to defeat a FOH?
This was a huge win for him while remaining the youngest Undisputed champion. It showed that 4 years of hard work, dedication and discipline paid off. It was like a graduation in my opinion for Haney. He went thru the fire. Loma proved he wasn't old or small. Loma is an amazing Future HOF boxer!!!
not really it will make him better. you are just projecting your anger onto what you hope will happen. haney will be a better fighter because of this fight.
I love Loma, but the fight was too close to call it a robbery. I watched it again and scored it 115-113 Loma. It was that kind of fight, hard to score, hard to get a read on. They should do it again. But what really happened in that fight is he got exposed. He may or may not have beat Loma, but Loma is a natural 130 pounder. Haney won’t stand a chance against naturally bigger guys. Haney is good, but he ain’t the real deal.
Loma won comfortably, watch it back at 0.5 speed and you'll see.
A competitive fight can absolutely be a robbery. Just because it's competitive doesn't mean there can't be a clear winner... Haney did not win 7 rounds.
@@CoulierCuts not a robbery
Watch it in slow motion it was a robbery. Any time the fight goes to the wrong guy its a robbery even if its close. The only time its not a robbery is if its a clear draw which is nearly impossible.
1:30 - we all know it’s a fight, but round 2, Haney fully elbowed Loma in the temple.. wobbled him a bit on the retreat
HANEY also threw an elbow and a shoulder into Loma's eyes in the 10th when Loma had him up against the ropes taking combinations
I think that wobble was from the body shot which tends to weaken a fighters legs.
He was even warned in his corner by the ref that if he does it again he’ll lose a point!
The total punches to the head and few body shots by Loma compared to Haney's body and head mix looked close to a draw. That decision was well...we all heard Shakur Stevenson.
Close and Robery... Believe it or not that can also be a possibility.
I absolutely agree because The only people that can believe a Championship fight can be both close and yet a robbery (for the challenger) are complete non critical thinking imbeciles.
In boxing it's understood that close fights usually are awarded to the Champion and not the challenger. The challenger has to convincingly defeat the Champion in order to win a decision and take the title from the Champion.
@@anonymousprofessor8866 That's not what happened in the fight, we all watched HANEY get beat up... And that whole talk about the champ needing to be beat is nonsense, but even still, Loma beat HANEY in every sense of the word. On points, on aesthetics, in pressure, in intelligence, in combinations, in power punches, he even out jabbed the jabber! Seriously, everybody is trying to rationalize this win for HANEY instead of focusing on the glaring facts burning your retinas they're so bright
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 It's obvious to me that you have issues and an agenda.
I don't care about your opinion nor will the rest of the people who believe that Loma won, or was robbed will have any effect on the official outcome.
The judges Unanimously choose to give Haney the fight. So this back and forth on opinions by unofficial judges is retardrd.
Again HERE'S A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 3 JUDGES SCORE CARDS. So you debate with the judges, okay goofy?
*MUST READ*
All 3 Judges agreed that Devin won rounds "1, 4, 5, 9, 12."
All 3 Judges agreed that Loma won rounds "2, 11" but round 10* definitely should have been including but Moretti blind ass saw differently. So that leaves 4 rounds that were a nightmare to judge, (in truth the entire fight was) and those were rounds "3, 6, 7, 8." Non of The 3 judges agreed on these 4 rounds.
I split those giving Haney rounds 3,7 and Loma rounds 6,8.
Conclusion -" Haney won 4 of the 1st 6 rds and 3 of the last 6 rds, rd 12 was the rd that Haney needed to win or it was going to be scored a MD decision"
Haney won rds: 1,3,4,5,7,9,12.
Loma won rds: 2,6,8, 10*,11.
The right man won. 115-113 FOR HANEY
@@anonymousprofessor8866 The most ignorant and destructive take that casuals have accepted is the one that the challenger has to destroy the defender in order to win. It's like, do you know that SD or a draw exist ?? Its business, its corruptible humans who judge in the end and fans who fill in the blanks with their bias and defend the bs decisions.
@@DavorBa it’s literally a saying, in order to be the champ you have to beat the champ. it’s been this way since our grandparents were in diapers. you will never win a close fight against the champ. it just won’t happen
If the score cards were closer then there’s an argument that Loma didn’t do enough to win and he lost it in the 12th
But since the score was one sided towards Haney it shows foul play
It's time they revealed the scores after each round, that would take away the unknowns for both team's and their fighters as well as the fan's watching the fight, It would make the whole process transparent, and the fighters would know if they need to do more to get the win, easy solution no?
Haney just didn't do enough, despite the commentators exclamations, Haney was hitting air, arms and gloves for most of the fight. With a few good counters and body shots.
It was a great fight.Both boxers are amazing. No shame for either fighter is deserved.
Haney will be feeling shame. Not his fault the sports rigged though.
@@Jaceftp The Undefeated Undisputed Lightweight Champion of the World is fine. I suggest you dare rewatch the fight again without the crowd noise.
The thing that i found confusing is everyone saying its a close fight and everyone saying there was a lot of swing rounds in there
So if thats the case moretti gave those close and swing rounds to devin as thats his Subjective opinion !
I had devin by 2 rounds!
I felt as though Lomo like in the Teo fight didnt dominate for the majority of the round and fought in spurts
I’m Not sure if thats because he carrying the extra weight at 135! And he struggling with stamina or just that the body work was a problem!
But everyone saying moretti a cheater! Ad no one can ever prove that as judging is a subjective thing, there aint no specific criteria where judges can be held to account for inconsistencies
boxing commission will always favour the younger fighter as there is more money to be made.
Boxers should be able to appeal the decision, allowing for another group of judges to watch the tape in slowmo.
The punch stats showed that in terms of punches landed loma landed more than haney. For powerpunches loma landed more than haney. Now it could be argued that the 11th round where loma landed 20 powershots to 1 by haney that could have skewed the figures since loma landed approx 20 more powershots.
An analysis shows in terms of punches landed its 5 rounds to loma 5 to haney with 2 rounds being even.
For powershots landed its 6 rounds a piece.
So it can be a draw with the tiebreaker being who threw more punches. Or round 11 could have been a 10-8 round.
To have a 116-112 round thats 8 rounds to 4 so all the close rounds were given to haney in terms of punches landed.
Devin Haney clearly won the first half of the fight. He had a better game plan. Vastly won round 8,9,10 and eleven, but Haney won 12. Close fight, great fight, but Haney won for sure.
This fight was not close at all, most o f Haney punches landed on Loma's elbows and a lot of punches were below the belt Loma kept the pace of the fight and played ping pong with Haney head...top rank signed Heaney just two days before the fight..Bob Arum wants To milk the young Haney for a few more years and he threw The old lion under the bus It's all business and has nothing to do with race
@yarona weiss Oh this wicked sh*t was and is definitely about race. But as it is written the sky will suddenly crack open and a black man will clean up the Devils and their wickedness so nothing else has to be about race.
HERE'S A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 3 JUDGES SCORE CARDS.
*MUST READ*
All 3 Judges agreed that Devin won rounds "1, 4, 5, 9, 12."
All 3 Judges agreed that Loma won rounds "2, 11" but round 10* definitely should have been including but Moretti blind ass saw differently. So that leaves 4 rounds that were a nightmare to judge, (in truth the entire fight was) and those were rounds "3, 6, 7, 8." Non of The 3 judges agreed on these 4 rounds.
I split those giving Haney rounds 3,7 and Loma rounds 6,8.
Conclusion -" Haney won 4 of the 1st 6 rds and 3 of the last 6 rds, rd 12 was the rd that Haney needed to win or it was going to be scored a MD decision"
Haney won rds: 1,3,4,5,7,9,12.
Loma won rds: 2,6,8, 10*,11.
The right man won. 115-113 FOR HANEY
Yes an old lion threw under the bus. And also Haney too if he' s getting old too. Bob Arum is a businessman. He dont care boxers reputations if they are already old. He need to eliminate them if he finds a new prospect boxers.
The Tank fight made Haney train body shots OD this was big for this win
The challenger needs to aggressively and clearly take the fight to the champion. A close fight, the champion takes it more often than not. Specially taking 4 belts away from the champion.
Rewatch the fight. I had loma winning. But after watching this I think in a non-bias world haney won by 115-113. The commentator are pro loma and the crowd. Haney landing cleaner shots. While loma dominated two rounds. Boxing is being scored by rounds. I guess this is me wanting an undefeated fighter be defeated.
Respect for admiting ur biased. Devin clearly won the fight
For me, Loma edged it, a draw at best for Haney..nice to see Loma back on top against Kambosos. Thanks for your films, always informative and entertaining.
The real robbery was Haney getting fined 400k for shoving Crymachenko
The toughest part of doing a video analysis and still keeping with the narrative that it was a close fight is hunting for any clean shots that Haney landed. You could count them on one hand and have 3 fingers left over. And that includes body shots which all landed on Loma's elbows. Slow motion proves it. Not a close fight at all. Loma won every round. Every single one.
To see all angles, we need 5 judges
re-watched the fight and honestly it's remindind me abit of Floyd vs Pacquiao, just cause one guy has more output doesn't mean he's scoring or making good effective punches. Personally had it in favor of Haney but I can see why people have it as a lomachenko win, regardless it was a great fight and good show of skill for both men!
Great fight. Only chance for Loma was knockout. It’s sick but that’s what it takes to beat the business. Only care about money not boxing.
Close competitive fight but I had Loma winning. Haney looks up to Floyd and trained as his gym often, well Floyd gave Castillo and Maidana a rematch. Haney needs to give Loma a rematch.
Lamo won hands down
I understand rounds. But i also judge by the overall whole fight. And overall loma landed more jabs and headshots. When Haneys jab is his best skill. Either way loma won imo 7/5 rds or draw at worse. Haney wom though and wont rematch loma. Hes moving up because shakur probably will beat haney and Tank definitely will beat Haney at 135. Thats why he said maybe to Tank if he would fight at 140.
It was a close fight,it was a great fight,it just went to the wrong person,but it was far from a robbery and those judges were disgraceful especially Dave morretti
Giving HANEY the 10th round and the 12th round is the robbery
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 agree completely brother
Making it a unanimous decision was the robbery for me, it should have bare minimum been a draw
What makes it a robbery for me is that Top Rank called Haney the winner BEFORE the fight in the Muratalla post fight interview. Muratalla said he wanted the winner of the main event, and Osuna said "you think you deserve Devin Haney?". When you have them spending the whole of fight week saying things like "does the old guy have one performance in him, what's next for Haney after he beats Loma, the old guy always loses these fights," and then calling Haney the winner before the fight even happened, and then get a decision that's universally suspect, that's not a good look. It's not just about the scores and how they gave every swing round to Haney, it's that they were treating Haney like the winner before the fight even happened.
@hakeemolajuwon4352 All 3 judges gave the 12th to Haney. It was close, but I think Haney took it as well. To say Loma definitely won the 12th is asinine. Even if all 3 judges gave the 12th to Loma and Moretti gave the 10th to Loma , the fight is a draw. So at best it was a draw. To say Loma was robbed is ridiculous.
for all the people saying loma landed more power punches than haney.. You all do realize that power punches are considered everything other than a jab right? So if you watch the fight loma was throwing pretty much 90% jabs and straights that didnt really damage haney at all. All those snapping the head back punches loma landed only pushed his head back because haney would lean back as he was getting hit trying to dodge it. Also the way loma would step in and throw a flurry made a lot of people think he was landing everything he was throwing. Which you can watch any breakdown video of the fight and see he would land 1 or 2 of the 6 or 7 punches he threw. And for those that dont believe me shakur, timothy bradley, chris algieri all watched the fight a second or third time and said the same thing. That it was closer than they thought and probably could have been a draw or went to either fighter. Just accept it
People have to stop being bias and tell the truth
And you know what's funny the fact that you said you had this weird feeling. Bro I had the same failing the 1st time he fought Lopez and received his loss and I had the same feeling in my stomach when the Haney fight was done. And it wasn't because I thought he lost. It was because I thought they were going to take the victory from him. And that's exactly what happened.
The same thing that was done in his fight against Salido
Greatness needs no excuses…3 defeats and all Robbery? Really 😂 you people are sad af …it’s embarrassing no wonder Loma cry’s for you after each defeat 😢😢😢
The Teo fight was much, much closer.
@@mrinternational777 Have you even watched the Salido fight?
The fight was razor thin close! This was not some 120-108 dominating performance by Vasiliy Lomachenko. The fight was a toss up and could have gone either way.
since haney started takbir after his fights has recieved alot of hate from his country that we saw in the crowd before and after the fight.WHY?
That was a great breakdown. I completely agree Haney showed an intelligent and different approach. His body shots were there and he made the most harm with them. Still i also think Loma neutralized his famous jab and he couldn´t use that weapon much. The thing is even watching the breakdown you could still see clear Loma´s dominance. His shots were precise, they hurt and they were landing by more than once. He connected a lot of fast combinations. He also connected lots of single punches clearly. The robbery was Moretti´s card. It was a disgrace to boxing. Moretti is though. He should be banned for eternity. Still it was a close fight, but it was clear that loma had at least 2 round advantage. It was beautiful to watch him fight such a fight to a much bigger, younger and fast and sleek boxer.
The objective of body shots is to wind the opponent and slow him down. Loma came at Haney for 12 rounds, so we all know that the body shots were ineffective and most were blocked/deflected.
Devin won 6 clear rounds , Loma won 10 and 11 without a doubt, they had 4 close rounds but even if you give all 4 (which you can’t) to Loma the best you can do is a draw. Haney won.
Dude you need to take off your glasses and see again. Loma win only 10 11 🤣🤣 bro you are great🤣
@@Prilic1993 what clear rounds did loma win?
I see it like this Haney Won half the fight Loma won the other half it was the 11th and 12th rounds that really were gonna tell who won Loma clearly won 11 it was bright as day but Haney got the last of the 12th cause Loma began to fade and Haney was smothering some of Lomas work it shouldn’t have been a UD it should’ve been a Split Decision at worst a draw to me Devin won the fight but it was by splitting hairs not by a total domination like a UD would get you to believe. It was even, should they run it back? Maybe but it’s hard especially with 1 Devin struggling to make weight and 2 the potential Shakur Stevenson fight
Draw. He had some head popping hits. But both didn’t guard to well
Not robbery but Loma won by 2/3 rounds for me, but I get why some say Haney due to attacking the body
Those body shots and hooks from Haney did nothing to Loma, idk why people are saying they were effective they weren’t, Loma picked it up in the later rounds it should’ve been He slowed down if those shots were so effective.
The same people that called moretti and cheatam corrupt judges are the same one agreeing with their judging. 😂. People not consistent.
Fight was close but had a definite winner. You can have a close fight with a definite winner.
I’m not a Loma fan but I feel like at best in haneys favor it should have been a draw I watched the fight about 3 times and more and more I leaned toward Loma winning. He kept pace and adjusted and even though haney did too Loma was the more active fighter. This was like the reverse version of Floyd vs pac man, pac man seemed to be more active but in actuality floyd was landing in every category at a higher percentage than pac man but pac man looked to be overwhelming floyd just because he threw hella punches. Loma threw and landed more punches than haney but because haney had good foot work and was favored for the fight he took the win I had it 7-5 for Loma 6-6 would have been reaching in my opinion but there was no way haney won more rounds or did enough to win that fight
Going into the 12th round the bookies had Haney needing a knockout to win which tells you everything. Loma was robbed.
Haney body shots were lethal and key to victory against Loma.. Loma just landed less Significant punch than Haney
Imo loma won...but all this showed was that haney is not the future...tank will dominate...shakur will dominate
Ring Magazine Poll. Final Tally: Lomachenko 13-4-1 and one undecided
Devin might be better at 140lbs. He could absorb punches better and might have more power. He is drained at 135lbs.
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116-112 was ridiculous
I had it a draw but there were some really hard rounds to score. I could see it either way but I thought Haney did just for enough in the 9th round (which was the closest one for me) and countered really well in the 12th. I'm ok with 115-113 but Loma won 10,11, and MAYBE 12 depending on who you ask. so I can see it going the other way. I think a draw woulda been the most fair outcome, even a split decision woulda been more acceptable. but 116-112??? come on now 😔. further proof that Moretti and Cheatam need to be fired
I agree, some very hard rounds to score in this fight. I can understand a draw more than Haney winning by 116-112.
David: Very good analysis my friend. I must say that you are one of the FEW people who have actually given an unbiased or agenda based opinion. Good job. 👍
,,, fired,,, not enough, rope good.
Have you tried comparing the rounds when you remove those 50-50 rounds? Like watch the fight again and if the round looked like it was 50-50 don’t count it for anyone. Like who had the more definitive rounds in your opinion?
HERE'S A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 3 JUDGES SCORE CARDS.
*MUST READ*
All 3 Judges agreed that Devin won rounds "1, 4, 5, 9, 12."
All 3 Judges agreed that Loma won rounds "2, 11" but round 10* definitely should have been including but Moretti blind ass saw differently. So that leaves 4 rounds that were a nightmare to judge, (in truth the entire fight was) and those were rounds "3, 6, 7, 8." Non of The 3 judges completely agreed on these 4 rounds.
I split those giving Haney rounds 3,7 and Loma rounds 6,8.
Conclusion -" Haney won 4 of the 1st 6 rds and 3 of the last 6 rds, rd 12 was the rd that Haney needed to win or it was going to be scored a MD decision"
Haney won rds: 1,3,4,5,7,9,12.
Loma won rds: 2,6,8, 10*,11.
The right man won. 115-113 FOR HANEY
My thoughts were as much as Loma a a great fighter he missed a few opportunities that he could of pressed down on the gas and floor Haney.