Paris to Venice with Thello train in a couchette
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2019
- EUROPEAN TRAIN TRIP #1
Hi everyone, welcome to this trip report bound to Italy, Verona. First leg of my European train trip :)
First trip report with Thello and in Italy
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- 0'29-0'36 Thello is fully owned by Trenitalia
- 2'40-2'51 Only Premium cabins have showers
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- TRIP INFORMATION -
Railway company: Thello
Train type : BB36000/UIC-X/MU/T2S
From : Paris Gare de Lyon to Verona Porta Nuova
N° of train: 901
Duration : 12h38
Price : around 140€ 2 weeks before
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The thing I love about these old coaches is the sound . They create a very special and very soporiphic feeling, and sound waaaay faster than they actually are!
I love night trains. But, sadly, there are now few night trains in Japan. One of the reasons that we can stay at comfortable hotels for low prices these days.
5:50 I remember as a small child of around 4 years I was so damn scared of the space between wagons. I would refuse to walk through it and my father had to carry me over.
Great video! Thello is definitely my go-to choice for heading to Venice, I've taken it 3 times since 2013. The quality of the trains has really improved over the years though some things never change - I remember being late into Venezia Santa Lucia on my first journey! Didn't bother me much as I could reach my hotel by the time check-in was open. But better communication about the delay reasons would be appreciated. Train crew are always a laugh, usually hanging out in the restaurant car in the middle of the night and pleasant to chat to. I think the best piece of advice I got about Thello was to go in with reasonable expectations - and to not assume that an overnight train from Paris to Venice is going to be the Venice-Simplon Orient Express!
On most night trains you don't set an alarm, but the conductor wakes you up before arrival. I don't know about Thello though, but that's the standard. Therefore, if the train is late, you will continue sleeping.
The information card in the couchette indicated that they cannot guarantee the wake-up call. So that probably wouldn't work here!
Thanks for your videos I do find them very useful. I normally travel with a bicycle for cycle camping. When you do a train walk through and find some bicycle storage places would you include them in your video please. Its very useful for cyclists to understand what type of bike storage facilities are available before boarding. Thanks and keep up the good work, Tim cyclist from Ireland.
Got it Tim
You missed the best part of the journey. The crossing of the Alps
They go through Simplontunnel and it's at nighttime
Middle of the night, ain't it?
from 2020 the new high speed trains FRECCIAROSSA 1000 of trenitalia will arrive in france, you will forget about the THELLO ehehehe
ps and the French TGV !
Hum, thello Will be the company who Will manage those train(and it's own by FS) + from now on, we're Just talking about 2 train a day
I don't think so, Frecciarossa is a day service (as TGVs are), Thello is a night service.
Actually Thello has day services too, on Milan-Nice-Marseille route
Can they convert a TGV set with sleeping cars and dining cars just like China?
5:35 Depends on your family. Some kids really don't like sharing rooms with their parents... or their siblings!
I dislike sharing a couchette with strangers .
@@Jay-vr9ir I hate it too, but I'd much rather share my couchette with 3 other people instead of 1
@@idkmyname7211 Forget it , I am North American , a private room for me or nothing , next time . The Corona Virus has proved me right , social distancing , please ! It is safer to away from strangers .
In my family, when we travelled through Europe back in the '50s, we all shared a room. As children we had no say as to where we slept. Parents have lost the art of disciplining their children. We were seen but not heard.
Étant italien habitant à Paris, j'utilise souvent les trains Thello entre Paris et Milan.. Pour la prochaine fois je te conseille de prendre le lit du milieu, c'est beaucoup plus comfortable ! Et pour le retard, souvent c'est dû aux contrôles à la frontière suisse 🤮 avant je faisais souvent Nice Milan en thello aussi, et leur service était impeccable à chaque fois !
One thing I love about the german train Operator DB is that they print the platform number already on the ticket. You can even see the right number in the internet one year before departure
Belle vidéo Thibaut, j’adore regarder tes vidéos et ça donne envie de voyager 😉
Was stationed in Vicenza during Operation Desert Storm and enjoyed Verona dozens of times. I did take a sleeper train from Milano to Heidelberg and that too was a great trip. Well done sir.
Thank you for the video report, have a great vacation!
We stayed in the exact same type of couchette last night. Overall, our experience was pretty good. Despite the mattresses being rock hard and the sink room having no water, we liked it very much
Great video. Love overnight trains but sharing a room would be a massive turnoff for me against flying. But a tip; review your videos before posting but after editing. White subtitles on a white or light background - useless and you can't read the information which is a pity as they were comments you made that looked interesting but couldn't totally see
Hope he reads that. Seems like he would have checked it himself before uploading. Peace
this is handy to see- I'm planning a trip next year that will probably involve Thello.
Super j’attendais beaucoup cette vidéo car je te suis sur instagram sinon super comme habitude
wonderful tripreport 🤪
I've got my first Thello trip tomorrow! Great job on the video, can't wait for the rest! 🇫🇷🚆🇮🇹
Nonstop Eurotrip hello i Watch your youtube Channel and i have a question your trip is thello paris Venice or thello nice milan
@@swaywax8239 good to hear! Feel free to comment on my videos! Tomorrow It's Nice to Genoa for me 🇫🇷🚆🇮🇹☀️
I enjoyed seeing your overnight rail experience. I did 3 trips to Europe with a daughter as her travel companion per request from my wife and had my best trips ever. We frequently rode the rails and we have been to Gare de Lyon for a trip to NICE. In 2016 my daughter and I did an overnight German train from Munich to Amsterdam for the start of a day there, but I happened to read it had been discontinued a few months after our trip due to high speed rail getting you to places in Europe so fast. I enjoyed seeing your video. From St. Louis
Merci. J'adore les trains de nuit !!!
This route was one of the many I traveled back in the early 90's, when it was a shared service operated by SNCF and FS. I seem to remember, on those bottom bunks, if you put your hand underneath the back and pull it forwards, and then push back - and the back rest drops back out of the way - to give more space on the lower bunk :) Handy for you to know if you ever find yourself finding that train again!!
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Nice ride .... thanks for the report
Nice livery and good scenic route
Great Video! Nice Station👍
Took this train back in June 2019 on my trip to Europe with the travel company Explorica with some friends of mine in my history class, it was definitely cramped in our 6 berth couchette but it was a very nice ride; we only took the train to Milan though.
Super ! J'attendais un nouvel épisode ;) Très sympa mais le voyage a du être long
Lovely station, romantic trip
I love the look of the Thellō train, but it's just a bit too expensive for me to justify!
Hate de voir la suite de ton voyage... ça a l'air génial
Très belle vidéo !
👍🚂🚂🚂🤗😍🇫🇷
Thank you and all the best.
Great video, your channel is also a big source of info. Just a suggestion: i noted on italian trains you try a lot of time to open the locked entry doors. You have to wait until the train is completely stationary. Besides upon the door there is a light off. When it switch on the door is unlocked ;)
Couchettes seem to be similar to roomettes on Amtrak trains in the US, except on Amtrak you never share one with a stranger. Do any European trains have the equivalent of an Amtrak roomette (smaller than a bedroom, suitable for one person)?
I don't think so.
Lovely Paris-Lyon terminal station, with a clock tower was the model for all other stations with clock tower in Europe or North America, for example here in Barcelona small Magoria station in Gran Via boulevard, Catalan Modernist style building today a civic center.
I did a similar trip in 2001 from Paris GdL to Firenze, I do not remember most of it as I was informed of a tragedy that befell a friend the night before. But it was great...
Classic FS crew, Fantastic in Service. Horrible in customer support.
No, as an Italian I can say that they're terrible even in service
@Gerry Murphy Where are you from? Do you live in Italy? Where ever you come from I'm ready to bet with you about the fact that even in your country shitty situation happen!
@@nicopavvi8494 Facciamoci riconoscere sempre, sputiamo sempre sulla nostra nazione, critichiamola sempre. Facciamo vedere al mondo intero quanto facciamo schifo. Good job!
Pour les prochaines vidéo des trains de nuits, pourrais-tu mesurer les décibel, il y a des appli 👍(bon la je suppose que tu as fini ton voyage en Europe donc c'est trop tard)
@3:30 regarding the car numbers: in Europe overnight trains often exchange through coaches to offer direct connections between multiple cities. Thus, the coach numbers have to be unique between all the corresponding trains.
Also the trains dont run in the same configuration every day; there might be groups of coaches that e.g. only run on weekends - those will often get a separate block of numbers as well.
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Greece had also a night train with number 504/505. It was running between Athens (capital) and Thessaloniki (Greece's second biggest city). The distance is 504 km and the journey was about 6 to 7 hours. Also in the end of the train was the car wagons so you could take your car with you. Unfortunately that train was cancelled in 2011 due to economical crisis. Today 504/505 has replaced by 600/601 which is a simple train.
One of the best parts was when u we're crossing the allps
:D
I being from North America privacy is a must, if you are travelling alone you have to sleep in a couchette with strangers .Unless you are in a room with your family or very close friends , you cannot get comfortable, example putting on your jammies, etc .
Beautiful video,and welcome to Italy :). The number of this train,in Italy,Is 220 (Via Domodossola) or 200 (Via Modane).
P.S. this train is always deleyed.
Very interesting. Now that you mention it I remember: back in the 1970s, 220 was the number of "Simplon Express" which ran between Paris and Belgrade on the same route (via Domodossola). "Simplon Express" is long gone but the number survives ;-)
Another great trip report those couchette and sleeper coaches look quite good but I guess not ideal of you are tall
Coaches are by Trenitalia not by Sncf .. the couchettes One are UIC-x rewamped and wagon-lits have been Made by Fiat and In these Last years rewamped... restaurant car is ex gran confort self service car by Trenitalia ( ferrovie dello stato) ... These all carriages are Italian not French... the thello service is a cooperation between Italian state railways and sncf and privates
trenitalia took over the share of the French partner, and owns 100% of thello
intersezioni yes I Read that... thank you for you more precise info! ☺️ on the video you Can read “Good sncf” But only the loco to the Switzerland border is french :)
@@Alessandro_Brescia sono italiano
Thello a fait des efforts en confort. Les horaires sont parfois fantaisistes, mais pas forcément de leur faute. Pour ta couchette, ne fallait-il pas rabattre le dossier de la banquette pour la transformer en lit ? Hâte de voir les prochaines vidéos de ce trip report.
I'm waiting for Report of Romanian couchette 😉
Belle vidéo.
Love it.
A l'époque où je le prenais, il s'arrêtait dans le Valais. Et donc on était à 3000m avant la fonte des neiges.
J'espère que c'est toujours ça. GD
Non c’est plus le cas
Enfin c’était
Good thing I decided not take this train for my trip to milan.
Great review though. Well done
I adore this youtube channel.
I spent most of the video reading the captions, had to rewind to see the video.
Somigliano molto alle cuccette c-4 dei treni INTERCITY ICN Milan-Palermo. Ma gli Standard Europei sono questi ?
8:07 My favorite Lipton!)
You should try the Caledonian Sleeper in the UK between London Euston and Fort William it is an amazing train with an amazing route with great service and seriously comfortable beds you should really give it a go.
The CS has the most comfortable beds on any train I have used. :)
well better than this, but still not very good this Caledonian
The Thello sleepers have become very expensive and for some reason the other Lake Garda Desenzano stop has been done away with , the rolling stock seems to have improved slightly from when they took the route over . I would like to try the cabins with loo and shower but not at the price they are asking .
Nice video Thanks for sharing Nice
1:30 nightmare of Mr Bean holiday😂
🤣😂😂
Ce serait sympa que tu retournes en Suisse en essayant d'autres trains, comme le KISS (Train régional à 2 étages) ou mieux l'ICN, c'est un train pendulaire. Il y une ligne entre Genève et Zurich, et c'est magnifique. Pour le retour il y a l'IC 5, pas pendulaire mais le panorama est juste sublime, et tu devrais essayer la 1ère classe CFF, ce sont de vrais sièges, et la 1ère classe ICN est incroyable, il y a des voitures à compartiments avec tableaux etc.. à essayer !
Oh et depuis Zurich, il y a l'IR13 entre Zurich et Coire, ligne exploitée par nos nouveaux trains à 2 étages TWindexx, et à Chur tu as les lignes de montagnes pour Arosa etc..
Ce serait super une virée en Suisse :)
N'ayant jamais pris ce train, je me trompe peut-être, mais il semblerait que ta couchette soit restée en position places assises. C'est normal ? Je crois voir une poignée en haut du dossier, elle ne permet pas cette transformation ?
Last time I took an overnight train from Paris to Venice. It was boarded at Gare de Bercy, the train was late( I never knew train could be late, silly me)for more than six hours. We have no info about what time the train will arrive dare not to go out of the freezing station. A double room(back in 2002) was like 190Euro per person back then, It's nearly christmas the heat was turned up so high that it's suffocating. But I like night trains and enjoy the ride a lot other than the delay.
He is not late if it’s 6 hours x)
Great 😌
Nice video
That’s a restaurant car? We call that a buffet in Australia. We have proper restaurant cars on very long distances. Great video!
Thello is the coolest night train in Europe
It looks like they had gotten carriages from multiple train sets and combine them all in one. Not a single carriage is the same as another.
Via Rail is an expert in this field. World class leaders. They mix huge stainless steel Budd coaches from the 1940s and 1950s with formerly-tilting LRC coaches from the 1980s with smaller imported 1990s formerly British Rail Nightstar (still-born night train through Channel tunnel) Renaissance coaches with a 1950s stainless-steel Budd panoramic at the rear.
@@paname514 m
I’m confused though, if you have the lower bunk but everyone uses the lower bunks to sit, does the mean you’d have to tell everyone to move because you wanna lay down?
So if I wanted a sleeper coach with bathroom for just me solo, how much U.S D. Would you guess?
Like two tusedays ago me and my famliy went from las vegas to arizona by car
U should also try the Paris Moscow sleeper service, that will be better to see the changing landscape of Europe, from the west to the east.
whats the current to way travel from paris to venice
I took the train in 2017. Paid for the premium 2-bed sleeper with en suite toilet and shower, but got a regular one when boarding the train. Wasn't informed of the change. The train suffered a massive 6-hour delay. Emailed the customer service immediately after the trip and received a 44 Euro refund which I believe doesn't even make up the price difference.
nice but I should prefer a 1st class single sleeper (after a meal in 'le train blue')
It is so long ago to be probably meaningless, but I ate in Train Blue about 20 years ago and it was bad. Did you eat there recently?
do you find some night sleep train in Spain?
Oui effectivement la ligne normalement prise par le thello est completement bloquée a cause d'une coulée de boue ou quelque chose dans le genre je connais quelqu'un qui a eu le meme problème ^^
W la Frontiera France Italia con Thello!!!
8:14 that soft drink is 7 up not sprite LOL
Super video. Petite question, le train etait il a l'heure?. Parce que je tracaille a Dijon et il est régulièrement en retard, surtout en revenant d'Italie.
Hâte de voir la prochaine vidéo
both from france and italy.
from the 2018 report, the greatest delays were caused by starting in france and in france
if that was second class, third class must be riding a treadmill to power the train. lmao
I have been on these twice , it beats walking , but not by much .
Stupid comment. An the guy is very tall, so he would have been wiser to book first class.
@Simply Railway Guess What, AMTRAK Alerts Passengers Of Delays Almost Immediately When One Occurs.
I don't understand, Why did this Train pass trough switzerland, and not stop? I have never seen a Thello passing trough Switzerland. Does it only pass trough Switzerland in the night?
It used to be. The train doesn't run since 2020
Sleepers definitely
I'm really sad that it will probably never run again, I never got the chance to take it...
früher waren es schöne Abteilzüge mit Fenster öffnen - schade das man die weg gemacht hat, habe 2002 in Frankreich InterRail gemacht das war eine schöne Zeit - vor allem nicht TGW verseucht - einige Zeit voher konnte man noch von Paris bis nach Lisabon ohne umsteigen im Nachtzug reisen...das war das was Europa ausgemacht hat - man hat das alles zerstört...das finde ich schade.
Was the train on this trip really that noisy? Was it quieter in your couchette?
Was quiet indeed
Combien coûte un voyage comme celui ci ? Ce serait intéressant de savoir.
Regarde dans les commentaires, c'est assez variable, ce trajet valait 29€ il y a plusieurs mois, quelques semaines c'est plus de 100€
A 11:00, cet acharnement!!!!
mdr ca m'a fait trop rire
1:25 foreshadowing?
Did you ride through Gotthard base tunnel?
Or through Lotchsberg tunnel
@6:48 Looks like easyJet are sponsoring the toilets. How appropriate.
Unless you’re on a very tight schedule I personally don’t care about perhaps an hours delay but any longer then you should be compensated with either a partial refund or money off a further trip on the train
If you plan to be in The Netherlands, I think you might like the DinnerTrain we have here: dinnertrain.eu/
Nice, but I do wish that you had included more passing scenery.
I believe some Eastern European sleepers book singles that are the same gender in a 4-bed compartment like yours, or two couples.
You're young enough to be able to sleep on a hard bed that is too short, but I'd be better off in a seat that reclined a bit.
It's nice to have the restaurant car, but that meal was perhaps five times its supermarket retail cost. I suppose you were paying for your share of having a restaurant car rather than having it part of the ticket price.
Still, you can walk around more on a train than a plane, and there's often something to see when you look out the window. You aren't crammed in with 200 other people, and the pace is more relaxing. There IS a place for these overnight trains.
6:17
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Toilets time!
3:23, I think, that 88 is the number of the Trainline
No, it's coach number, Thello has his own system to number coaches (on daily services are 4x).
Of course on national services (Intercity, Frecciabianca, Frecciargento and Frecciarossa) coaches are numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, etc.
Sa serait cool que tu fasse une vidéo avec le coradia la nouvelle rame intercites
C'est deja fait
L'assise du siège en guise de "couchette" du bas, c'est, comment dire… hum hum.