Englishman Reacts to... Polish Kabaret Dudek - Kolejka
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- How does older kabarets stand up today?
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Ten skecz to ilustracja demokracji ze szczególnym uwzględnieniem demokracji ludowej: koniec końców i tak ktoś niewybieralny tym wszystkim rządzi, ale ludzie potrzebują jakiegoś stada, w którym będą czuć się wyjątkowo.
This is not about the lines. This is a metaphorical show of the political conflict between communists and the anti-communist opposition during the times of censorship.
Not much have changed. It could as well be about PiS vs. PO, Torys vs. Labourists, Democrats vs Republicans and so on.
I remember the UK Subs tour in 1983, Republika played before their concerts. The UK Subs musicians were surprised and admired the lyrics of Republika's songs, which could not be written directly due to censorship. It's sad that they are trying to gag our mouths with censorship again.
@@Richus1979i oczywiście Winiary.
In the left queue are:
Irena Kwiatkowska (1912 - 2011) - one of the most popular Polish theater, film and cabaret actresses, and after her
Jerzy Czekałła - musician, guitarist, member of the music band in the Dudek cabaret
Anita Dymszówna (1944 - 1999) - theater and film actress
Wiesław Gołas (1930 - 2021), theater, film and cabaret actor, one of the most popular Polish actors in the 1960s and 1970s
Juliusz Borzym (1925 - 2010) musician, pianist, arranger, member of the music band in the Dudek cabaret
In the right queue are:
Jan Kobuszewski (1934 - 2019), theater and film actor, also a singer, one of the most popular comedy actors in Poland, followed by
Tadeusz Suchocki (1927 - 2015), musician, pianist, composer, conductor, arranger, musical director of the Dudek cabaret
Anna Seniuk (1942), one of the most outstanding Polish theater and film actresses, professor of theater art, long-time teacher at the Higher Theater School in Warsaw
Teresa Lipowska (1935), popular theater, film and television actress
Edward "Dudek" Dziewoński (1912 - 2002), actor, director, director of the Kwadrat theater in Warsaw, founder and head of the Dudek cabaret, the name of the cabaret comes from his nickname "Dudek (Hoopoe)"
In the role of an undecided customer -
Wiesław Michnikowski (1922 - 2017), an outstanding theater and film actor, also a singer
The speech was not just meaningless chatter, but it referred to communist ideology, At the end there is also an allusion to the illusion of choice that existed in the communist system.The shortage of goods meant that each queue immediately attracted people wanting to buy the scarce product. That's why they stand even though they don't know why, and more often than ,in those times, it turned out that standing made no sense because there were far too few goods in the store to be enough for everyone.
A very quick note- people that you see on the stage is pretty much the very creme de la creme of polish acting scene, that's what kabarets used to be, actors were doing films, theatres and comedy, for cheering people up in hard times. EDIT: Same with British actors in the 80s isn't it.
Regarding the jokes being relevant:
Although the communist time has ended in Poland, the basic shape of politics and people's mindset is largely the same. And we also love to queue for no reason. Once I went to a concert and was waiting for my friend in front of the building, door to the event still closed. Immediately people started queuing behind me. When my friend came, we just walked to the entrance, leaving 300 or so people in a phantom queue
Thanks, I was about to add that. Exactly right + we have Seniuk, Kwiatkowska, Kobuszewski...mm.... the best comics of that time, up till now some of them
thats the evilest thing i can imagine
Those old Polish cabarets are awesome. I like the old ones much more that everything. I recommend ZDCP with Mann and Materla- really great, however it needs good translation. Cheers to you Rob!
These are famous actors of that time. That's how it was in the times of the Polish People's Republic... For several years there was nothing in stores, or very little... As a child, I stood in such queues with my mother or grandmother. Sometimes people "borrowed" a child in a stroller or a disabled person in a wheelchair, because then there was priority 😂. When there was nothing in the stores, my grandmother, me and my brother stood there because someone said there was supposed to be a sugar delivery... 7 hours in the heat... we stood there and there was no sugar delivery...
I like the fact that Rob constantly understand more how things were in Poland under russian occupation. This helps a lot to understand Polish people today - how decades under russian occupation changed our nation, but rebuilding now and only 30 years after people visiting Poland are amazed how Poland changed.
The general meaning of these queues was the same as the communist system, i.e. none. The viewers knew exactly what this sketch was referring to.
A czy przypadkiem nie macie podobnych problemów z Partią Pracy i Partią Konserwatystów? 😁 Tego właśnie ten skecz dotyczy.
Omg!Kwiatkowska, Michnikowski, Golas, Kobuszewski, Seniuk, Dziewoński! all legends!
It works with the social and political context, the queues are a metaphor for different groups and political fractions, the characters are locked within a system of taking sides and trying to justify sticking to them,. It also reflects the polish character of arguing endlessly, whose truth is the better truth 😂
So you're right, this works well with reference to the PRL Poland, as well as contemporary context. And any historical era really.
Have you watched 1670 yet?
That was a different level of actors there. A first class. You wouldn't see corpsing there as they were too professional for it. Wonderful kabaret with simple yet thought provoking sketches... And well done for reading between the lines and seeing there was a link to the communism and life in those times despite not knowing as much about it as us, Poles.
W tamtych czasach ludzie byli tak wytresowani ze jak widzieli kolejke to stawali a dopiero później dowiadywali sie po co stoją.
The headquater of "Dudek" was "Nowy Świat" cafe in Warsaw. It's a regular cafe with tables, and during the show, waitresses brought drinks and food. It was very difficult to get tickets.
But once I managed to get two, so I invited the cutest chick in the dorm...
In short, you work, you produce, but the regiments are empty and you have to queue for everything.
Podłoże polityczne Rob.
It's all metaphorical because they couldn't directly criticize communist authorities so that's why they did it in a more creative way. I think that it also can be relevant nowadays in Poland, as well as in other countries, where you have two parties that think they are different from each other, but in the end they are not
because there were not enough goods in the shops, whenever people heard about a potential deliverym they would form a queue. And sometimes for long queueing, when people had to leave to take care of other things or go to work, there were queue committees that would keep lists of people "standing" in the queue. This kinds of times, fortunately it's history
O to mi jeszcze przypomniało, że jest fajna gra planszowa "kolejka" (cóż za oryginalna nazwa xD) w tematyce kolejek do sklepów w czasach PRL. Grałam parę razy i jest całkiem zabawna. Zwłaszcza karty jak np. "matka z dzieckiem" umożliwiająca przejście na początek kolejki, nawiązujące do zachowań osób (tak jak to, że były osoby, które pożyczały sobie małe dzieci). Celem jest zdobycie wymaganych produktów ze sklepu, a przy okazji wyrzucenie pozostałych graczy na sam koniec kolejki. Polecam!
the "Dudek" cabaret and the "Tay" cabaret were the two best cabarets during communism. These people were able to "camouflage" the satire on the communist authorities in such a way that the common man understood what was going on and the communist authorities did not understand.
Zauwazylam, ze tylko Polacy ogladaja ten kanal. Ale jest bardzo sympatyczny
Rob, you're wrong. Ridiculing this stupid reality caused the fall of socialism in Poland. When I went abroad, I felt strange in other countries, these were real communist regions. Poland was rebellious, different. To this day, when I go to Slovakia, Hungary or Romania, I feel the difference and the mentality of these people. Here you are looking at very iconic Polish actors - the Dudek cabaret, Piwnica pod Baranami, I assure you that even if it were a skit about a spoon, it would also be funny. Check out the cabaret king Laskowik.
Tak Zenon Laskowik to Postać kultowa podobnie jak Jan Kobuszewski występujący w komentowanym kabarecie Dudek , tylko pan Zenon występował trochę później , słyszałem kiedyś opinię że Zenon Laskowik i Bohdan Smoleń który z nim występował to byli mistrzowie niedopowiedzeń i to co pomijali w dialogach kabaretowych było chyba najważniejsze . a widzowie dokładnie wiedzieli co chcą powiedzieć , pomijając jakąś kwestię . Czasem zastanawiam się czy Zenon Laskowik bez Bohdana Smolenia byłby tak genialny i na odwrót ? Pan Zenon współpracował z wieloma świetnymi satyrykami , jak na przykład Janusz Rewiński , i wydaje mi się że chociaż tak się to wówczas nie nazywało ale był to pewnego rodzaju stand up . Weźmy na przykład monolog Bohdana Smolenia o obiegowym tytule " A tam cicho być " Czy nie można tego nazwać Stand up ?
@@historiezesnu Rewiński to chyba był Janusz
@@wujek2260 tak, masz rację .
Jako uzupełnienie Twojego komentarza i skeczu, który obejrzał właśnie Rob wklejam ten piękny song: "Psalm stojących w kolejce". Ze zdjęciami z epoki, które może uzmysłowią ludziom, którzy tamtych czasów nie znają czym było życie w PRLu. Czym było stanie w kolejkach "po nic". Jak ostatnio młodemu chłopakowi opowiadałem, że stało się w kolece po meble, a przywieźli akurat pralki, to się kupowało tę pralkę, to był w totalnym szoku. Ale jak to?- pytał. A Prońko w tym utworze pochodzącym z genialnej "Kolędy Nocki" Bryla i Trzcińskiego wyśpiewała manifest: "BĄDŹ JAK KAMIEN STÓJ WYTRZYMAJ, KIEDYŚ TE KAMIENIE DRGNĄ I POLECĄ JAK LAWINA PRZEZ NOC..." ua-cam.com/video/-U2DlrCnuTU/v-deo.html
@@pawepiekarz4628 Dzięks , super , chętnie obejrzałem .
It is an excellent idea to compare older and newer cabarets. I can only suggest checking the most modern and innovating forms like HRejterzy. See, for example, 'Dlaczego kawa w biurze jest za darmo.' or 'Kiedy kierownik tłumaczy grafikowi jak wykonać zadanie'. HRejterzy is a gem.
Without a metaphor is also vrery true. People fighted in the que, we ate the oranges and bananas only during Christmas. Till today if I smell the orange it is immediate memory about times of Christmas. I grew up during that time. I had no childhood at all
Good Morning Rob.
Nothing has changed, we have a saying. "Where there are two Poles, there are three opinions"
Wtedy chodziło nie o jakieś tam "różne opinie", tylko o przeciwstawienie się, w kabaretowej formie, komunistycznej ideologii. To niezupełnie to samo, o czym ty mówisz.
@@movemelody1 Tak, oczywiście masz rację. Wychowałem się w tamtych czasach. Ludzie już tu napisali o tym. Chodziło mi o konstrukcję skeczu i wykorzystanie naszej przywary że Polacy są narodem kłótliwym w którym trudno o jednomyślność.
In one of Bareja's comedies, there is a scene where a queue is created by accident: a group of friends are standing and talking in one place and strangers join them, thinking it is a queue, not even knowing what the queue is for:)
It is much more up to date and first of all universal than one could first think of- the facade of democracy? The issue was, is and will be valid everywhere! just remember to choose the right and valid line:)
Fantastic ACTORS !!!Good luck !!!
I prefer modern cabaret to old one, but this one is quite good 😂
Outstanding Polish artists.
super!))
Generalnie, jest to ponadczasowa paralela sytuacji, gdy władza dzieli bezmózgie społeczeństwo na dwa zwalczające się wzajemnie obozy, to będzie aktualne po wsze czasy i jest niezależne od sytemu politycznego, czy to "demokracja", czy dyktatura czy monarchia czy patriarchat czy chanat...
In the times of the Polish People's Republic (PRL), there were queue systems as there were shortages of supplies and goods. Queuing lists were created. You couldn't buy anything outside this queue, except for veterans and pregnant women. Such queue lists usually had from several dozen to several hundred names.
_"except for veterans and pregnant women"_ * * * ... police, military and secret service officers and high-ranking party officials. I remind you that they had "sklepy za żółtymi firankami" / stores behind yellow curtains, "Konsumy", legal and illegal money coming from bribes, theft and even robberies with murder. That's why such as ppl like Jaroszewicz (for Rob: communist prime minister) could afford sports cars, Jaguars and Porsches.
6:15 I'd say it has less to do with the soviet era distribution of supplies, rather it's that era's version of Tumblr vs Facebook. On top of it there is the theme of political leanings as well.
I remember in the 80s I was like 6 , standing in a huge queue with mom to buy cheese . After maybe 1h they said the cheese is only for childrens summer camp that was near . Insane .
I actually stood in a wrong queue, like 5 years ago. I was returning on foot from Ukraine. On the border I saw a huge queue to the customs. "Well, that's probably the way it should be" I thought, stood at the end, put some music on ears, get a book and waited patiently. An hour later, when I was able to see the end of the queue, I realized, that there are another door right next to those. Signed "For EU citizens" and with no queue at all...
The best Polish cabaret is the Tey cabaret. They made great fun of the realities of socialism, but in such a way that they would not be censored by the government. The name itself refers to a popular word from the Greater Poland dialect.
Pierwsze skojarzenie, to Wielka Brytania, która latami stała w dwóch takich kolejkach, aby w końcu wyjść z Unii Europejskiej.
Ponadczasowe.
That's how it was under communism, there were queues in every store and usually the stores were empty. For example, in a butcher's shop I wanted to buy some sausages and they delivered 20 kg, I was 30th in the queue and there weren't enough for me, because people bought everything and a lot, because it was unknown when something would be available in the store again. In order to buy, for example, furniture or a washing machine or a TV, people queued from 3:00 am, they created Queue Committees, they wrote down who was which in the queue, because for example they delivered 7 TVs.
cool t-shirt
Such queues standing aimlessly made sense - and not only did they happen, they were a daily occurrence. Of course, they made sense in the specially created artificial environment called communism.
In the early 1980s in Poland, stores were empty (so-called _"empty shelves"_ - literally empty. So people (including my parents) would line up in the morning or even at night, a few hours before the store opened, hoping that "maybe they would throw something" i.e. some kind of delivery would arrive. A delivery of ANYTHING. Having money, you couldn't buy anything. Having some goods, you could do barter, e.g. exchange cigarettes you didn't smoke for baby food (a real example from my parents' life).
This is what communism brings people to - caves!
5:35 - there's another joke. The man from the left side ends the question with French "n'est-ce pas ?" - isn't it?. And the guy answers phonetically "Spa".
I wonder how translators would tackle groups like Kabaret TEY (Smoleń and Laskowik). Their main goal was to criticize the communist regime and they had to hide it very well from the censorship, making gags understandable only by the audience. Some things could be very difficult to explain without a wall of text :D
3:59 stoić instead of stać. To be honest as I was born over 10 years after PRL, I also missed that error ;).
I just think it's older version of "stać" ;)
Queues were common in communist Poland because store supplies were poor. People often argued about their place in the queue, and competing queues were formed. This skit is so true.
You're right, the 80s were full of nonsensical things, like digging holes just to fill them up again (work was compulsory for all citizens back then, which led to problems due to the shortage of jobs compared to the number of citizens).
Cabarets from the old days differed from the new ones in terms of class, it was elite entertainment, today it is entertainment for the masses. There was a time when swearing and vulgarity were unacceptable.
Yup, this is strictly related to communist time in Poland, some of pharases are taken straight from communist leaders speaches, queing for nothing, lack of choice so if u can choose queue its some kind of freedom.
6:03 I would say, it's valid even now, especially in the hospitals ;).
Maybe it's due to high demand of older people there, but I can see there also younger one have same mental ;P
You are right. We been told that by our parents and grandparents... Today Britain looks like Poland 1960s. We under soviets back then, you under EU.
W ostatnich dniach też pozbyliśmy się "szmaty", niejakiego szmydta i "szereg nam się oczyścił". Pozostałym "szmatom", jeśli jeszcze jakieś są w tym kraju, pokazał kierunek, w którym jak najszybciej powinny się udać. )
Tak, właśnie w tym celu biorę udział w wyborach do PE.
I left Discord, I'm not there anymore, unfortunately it wasn't very nice for me
Zanim brytyjczycy stali w kolejkach to Polacy już to robili
Dudek = hoopoe
Generally speaking, if something from that era seems "random" or out of place, it's most likely a well hidden satire on communist government. Also the reason why there are so many people on the stage is that it wasn't capitalism, so they were all paid for "doing their job", regardless of profits, ticket prices or whatever. It wasn't that fun tho (the wages were pretty low, and to actually buy anything you had to stand in a long queue. Things like good quality meat or chocolate were completely out of reach.)
ehh, I mąkę a mistake... I won't even listen to the end and I'm already commenting.... I don't have time to watch the video today, but I have a feeling it will make me laugh... as for Eurovision, I have loved Eurovision since I was a child and was just waiting for May until it finally comes (,it was always a good party, with siblings or friends, snacks, drinks and Eurovision)... but since Poldka keeps dropping out and always with shitty songs and shitty, corrupted artists... I started to get really angry about it. ..
Why are u watch so very "specific" skits? Yes its legendary but its hard to understand for non-polish people. Why not to try more universal ones like Kabaret Młodych Panów - Krzyżacy, Kabaret Skeczów Męczących - Od jutra nie pijemy, Kabaret Moralnego Niepokoju and Ada - Skojarzenia etc ... If Dudek then only - Sęk and Ucz się Jasiu. That one isn't really funny or unique ,and wasnt in the "top" even then.
I'm watching lots. And it really wasn't that hard to understand
You have just seen what communist life was like in Poland. I can tell a lot of stories. For me it's not funny.
Queue czyta się kju angielski nie jest logiczny.
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on a meta-level, this cabaret skit is an allusion to factions within the Polish communist party. in december 1970, there was a significant change, socialist technocrats came to power, but by the time this skit was written in 1972, some fatigue was already evident.
the skit features some of Poland's best, iconic cabaret actors known for every educated Pole, and that's probably its greatest value. the youngest person in the line is now 81, the other 86 (the two ladies in the right-hand queue), and they are probably the only ones alive. kim jest ta kobieta w kolejce z Kwiatkowską?
Irena Kwiatkowska, Wiesław Gołas, Jan Kobuszewski, Wiesław Michnikowski itd... To przede wszystkim aktorzy teatralni i filmowi.
@@Slawek_B ale rozpoznajesz 1. kobietę z lewej?
@@antekp2965 Słabo widać ale możliwe że jest to Anita Dymszówna, córka Adolfa Dymszy.
@@Slawek_B chyba tak. często występowała w peruce. Jej głos nic mi nie mówi
The sketch is a kind of reflection of the senselessness of communist times. Everyone knew that the Soviet system had no future, but they also actively participated in something that made no sense. It is certainly not a metaphor for fighting the system, but at most for trying to reform it, which is also pointless.
Pamiętam, zdarzały się podobne sytuacje, że ludzie ustawiali się w dwóch przeciwnych kolejkach i powstawał problem, która kolejka była ważniejsza. Ale to wszystko z powodu stadnego zachowania ludzi, ludzie czasem ustawiali się w kolejkach a sami nie wiedzieli za czym stoją. Teraz też zdarzają się kolejki, ale trzeba zrozumieć różnice, kiedyś nie było czytników, wag wyliczających cenę, kiedyś ekspedientki miały kartkę i ołówek do liczenia, nawet jeszcze kalkulatorów nie było, a to sprzyjało tworzeniu się kolejek. Przed wojną było mniej kolejek, bo mało ludzi było stać na zakupy, w czasach socjalizmu ( w Polsce nigdy komunizmu nie było) pieniądze nie były problemem, dlatego każdy kupował, ile tylko pozwalał limit sprzedaży. I teraz mała uwaga, liczne i długie kolejki świadczyły, że towaru było dużo, tylko był w całości wykupywany, a później to lądowało na śmietnikach.
Powtarzasz bzdury komunistycznej propagandy. Szok, że można aż tak bezsensownie zakłamywać tamte czasy.
Jeszcze.napisz, że ludzie wszystko wykupywali, czy potrzebowali czy nie, i że dlatego każdy miał w domu po kilka pralek, telewizorów, 3 worki cukru, kilkadziesiąt kilogramów mięsa i wędlin, i 2 kilometry papieru toaletowego.
A o tych śmietnikach to kłamiesz lepiej niż Trybuna Ludu.
Później to był handel wymienny a nie wyrzucanie na śmietnik.
@@Slawek_B Co ty tam dzieciaku wiesz, wierzysz co ci w TV powiedzą. Ja to widziałem na własne oczy więc, daruj sobie te propagandowe brednie. Na śmietnikach było pełno jedzenia bo ludzie kupowali więcej niż potrzebowali a wtedy nie stosowało się tyle konserwantów, jedzenie szybko się psuło. W miastach ludzie mieli działki, na działkach bardzo często mieli świnię i kury. Wiesz czym je karmili? Nie paszą, a jedzeniem, którego bardzo dużo zostawało w domach i stołówkach. Jak ktoś nie miał kontaktu z takimi "hodowcami", to jego jedzenie lądowało na śmietnikach, ale wielu zaradnych to zbierało dla swoich zwierząt. Zdarzał się handel wymienny, i teraz się zdarza. Jak robotnik wygospodarował sobie nadmiar odzieży ochronnej i butów, to czasem wymieniał to na wiejskie towary u rolników. Wiesz dlaczego was okłamują i oczerniają PRL??? Żeby wam się go nie zachciało, nawet jak będziecie z głodu zdychać, albo będziecie wyć z bólu na onkologiach, to dalej będziecie wierzyć, że w PRLu było gorzej. Po to jest ta cała propaganda, na tym to polega, jak za czasów pańszczyźnianych, batem po grzbiecie dostaniesz od Pana, i jeszcze mu za to podziękujesz i przeprosisz, że się zmęczył tym biciem.
Większej bzdury o kolejkach w PRL nigdzie nie przeczytacie. Propagandowy majstersztyk. W sam raz do przedstawienia w rosji
"Dudek jest ponadczasowy"... niby minęło kilkadziesiąt lat, a dzisiaj PiS i PO robią z ludźmi dokładnie to samo.
I tak było w stanie wojennum