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Ethanol is made from plants and powers race cars! It’s also in most gasoline, and some gasoline is MOSTLY ethanol! Is it better than gas? Does it clean things? We talk about what it is and where it comes from, and of course, we light it on fire!
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Brazil uses ethanol powered vehicles since the 80's. Every car manufacted in Brazil must be able to run on gas and ethanol. Here our ethanol is made from sugar kane
the only problem is that when the motor is cold is hard to burn the ethanol, i realy wish that the ethanol here uses 10% of gas like in the us
Adding 20% on ethanol allows even gasoline engines with modern ECUs to run on ethanol. Certainly not recommend if you don't know what you are doing, but on every racing engine that I opened, there is not difference in terms of wear... Except the gasoline engines got some thicker coal coating on the pistons and cylinders head.
Ethanol is a blessing for racing car and much more healthy for people who like to tune cars or work on engines.
In Brazil, the price per km can be better than gasoline, but that may vary due to ethanol vs gasoline prices on the pump and the efficiency of the ethanol vs gasoline (engines vary between 60% and 80% of the gasoline milage due to several factors).
In US, ethanol isn't exactly a good deal outside the high performance automobiles spectrum.
Mateus Oliveira i’m going to brazil
(This is a joke)
but it doesn't matter because here in brazil we have flex fuel cars, cars with a balanced compression rate so it can run both gasoline and ethanol, which in practice doesn't run good in any fuel. in the 80' to the 2000' we had monofuel cars, gasoline or ethanol, then the difference mattered because ethanol was much more cheap
@@hqwthe some better than others. I have a 2013 Honda Civic MT 1.8l it the efficiency compared to 'gas' is 83%
I knew race cars were corny
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Dats theee JokEeeee
You made a funny
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dee. M that joke was too😂
The Gallons per Acre of land depends a lot on what vegetal you're using as a base for Ethanol. Here in Brazil we make Ethanol from sugarcane, it's fermentation process takes less time and you get about double the amount of fuel/land. Also, we have E-100 ethanol on every fuel pump, great for performance and costs about half the price of gas with about 3/4 of the mileage, so at least a good 85% of new vehicles here come with a flex fuel option (except for diesel trucks and stuffs like that).
Here in Brazil I drive a 34 year old Mercedes which uses ethanol blended gasoline for about 27 years. From 15% in 1992 it has raised to 27% today. Not because I have a option (it's mandatory to gasoline here to have between 25 and 27% ethanol), but despite changes in the fuel hoses and a carburetor diaphragm, I don't have a single issue here. The car was once sat for about 4 months and started right away. The carbon build up is really low, the fuel tank is pristine and the carb actually has zero corrosion. But again, it's a carbureted engine, which I could fine tune it to perform with the same mileage to the european or US fuel. Friends with fuel injected ones blame a 30% drop in fuel efficiency. But my point is: Change your fuel hoses (as I would recommend to any old car driver) to a good ethanol-resistant one, advance your ignition timing a bit, maybe a colder plug and test it. I know it's not better than pure gasoline in overall performance but considering the benefits regarding less pollution, it's a very little compromise. Sad to know it's so expensive to make in the US.
Actually you don't need to use a cooler plugs if you didn't raise the compression ratio of the engine.
unfortunately this is possible only in few places in the world, like Brazil where production of sugar cane and ethanol is cheap. I don't see how it could be done in other places like Europe or north america, unless super heavy subsidies (usa subsidize a lot the corn production, to get to 10% ethanol in petrol.)
in brazil we use ethanol as much as gasoline, but we extract it from sugar cane and not corn. a few decades ago there were only-ethanol and only-gas cars, now almost all new cars are flex fuel.
And I believe we were the first country to use ethanol as fuel in the late 70's
Yeah, we've been using E100 for over 30 years now. Americans will never know how amazing is the smell an old ethanol chevette LOL
I thought you used sopa do macaco uma delicia kkkk
HUE HUE HUE BRBR GIBBE MONY PLOZ
Great. In Europe we use E10 Gasoline. I have a Renault (in Brazil, Renault are popular cars) and I put ethanol E100, derived from sugar cane. No burning oil, no issues or something like that. Big like from Romania!
so russian racers put straight up vodka in thier ladas ?
sam 😂😂😂
You can run vodka in your car all you have to do is tune the carb or fuel injectors to keep it running
And hearing hardbass 😂
Melvin Mims Well 40% vodka does really not burn good...
@@tatpsalt5208 it does if its hot enough
“And then the internal combustion engine becomes a thing of the past like my happiness” 😂 Bart always has me dying lmao but I learn a lot! Great job guys 😉
“Combustion engines will be a thing of the past..... just like my happiness.” I felt that 😂
Please do crossplane vs flatplane engines
Yes please
Pretty sure EE did a vid if you're still keen
I hear ethanol tastes delicious.
If you like alcohol :)
Especially the one that they use in cars
Very flavorful. One of the best I’ve tried :)
Well, I wouldn't taste it pure, but with about 40% and some years in an oak barrel I would taste it ;D
Enough to give your chest hairs a perm!
I want this series back !
I love how Bart takes it a little lighter on the subject of ethanol since there are a lot of people who hate it. Good job guys.
Shouout to Bart for biting into that corn cob.
Probably sweet corn
FLEX FUEL
It even works underwater!
Why isn't Phil doing this?
*This* comment
watch out, it will seal your exhaust xD
Wierd flex but ok...
@@diegoalvarezc.8236 Man I just wanna go
I've watched this episode 435 times and I think I might be on my way to cracking the blinking code.
What happens to this guy ?? Bart did a great job explaining stuff
I loved him, it was my favorite one out of everyone
1:15 A very important distinction tho is that an enzyme is a catalyst, not a reagent. So it doesn't partake in the reaction, but it speeds it up.
On military bases it’s horrible...especially if it’s not used frequently.
Truth I go off post to get e85
Jblm had some good stuff. Cant find it anywhere else though lol.
Wishing the station on base sold ethanol free fuel :(
Im guessing diesel is preferred lol
@Bernhard Jordan definitely wrong.
Ethanol gas most definitely goes bad.
These videos are so dope. This guy made me realize how much I like learning about cars engines tires etc
I love these videos. Keep them coming!! More knowledge!
Very much good! *mixes with coke*
Mmmmm
Hope everyone had a great Christmas
Thanks!
Have a happy new year next!
You too stranger
Hope you also had a great Christmas and a Happy New Year.
No u
Always wondered about this. Thanks for the content!
Thank you for being the only video on UA-cam to explain Ethanol in a way that answers all my questions
Yes it takes a lot of land to create corn that makes ethanol, but America over produces corn
Oof that cuts deep
And sugar too...
You dont know shit about corn production. Dont even talk about it
Ballz Of'steel That overproduction of corn leads to underproduction of other crops
Aidan Barrett ooh tough guy
Well, here at Brazil we produce ethanol using sugar cane. At gas stations here, you can find fuel with +90% pure ethanol and we have many cars running it daily.
Yep, higher sugar content in sugar cane yields higher ethanol outputs for a given input. However, sugar cane does not grow very efficiently in the dryer, colder American Midwest.
@@theFailQuail but grows really well here
But its expensive in USA so how can it work in brazil
@@cyjan3k823 Ethanol it's just cheaper than gas here. Thanks to the government investment in alternative fuels we managed to create cheaper and more efficient methods to produce ethanol using the sugar cane.
@@cyjan3k823 producing ethanol from sugar cane is cheaper and more efficient than from corn. Sugar cane grows like a weed in Brazil, whereas the US has millions of acres devoted to growing corn. It's all about economies of scale. Corn is a less efficient input, but it's far cheaper to grow in the US than sugar cane. Brazil simply has the advantage in growing sugar cane and invested in developing the processes and industries for manufacturing ethanol from it cheaper than the US can.
"High Compression, Precise Timing, E85? Well that sounds like a race car"
I need this shirt.
Very good talk on ethanol.
Good video .
I'm so glad this didn't turn into one huge commercial for Shell or some other company!
i need that "no" sound effect
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Can we stop with the jojo stuff
Was sesrching for this comment
Great video as always guys!
6:00 im a normal jdm fan, I see gt86, I like
Thank you! I've been waiting for a video on E85 from you all. Now I don't have to explain myself over why I'm waiting for one specific pump over the 11 other free pumps. I can just play this for my passenger while I wait.
Stop vegans from eating corn
More vigans =less ethanol
= less fun stuf
Howzabout:
More vegans = fewer cows eating = more unused corn = more ethanol = more fun stuffs
@@NicoMyers That is better
@@NicoMyers Cows eat corn?
@@isakjohansson7134 theyre not supposed to, but we grow most of it for cow feed. In my opinion ethanol is the only good use for corn.
@@NicoMyers it was a joke
We want you Back Man!!!!😭
Facts I miss him
This is so sad that Science garage is gone this was my favourite show... now I'm stuck watching reruns to get by in life.
I love my teacher. we're constantly using Science garage to learn things in class, and it is very helpful. thanks for this series, Donut!
Weird flex fuel but ok
Now this is epic
This flex fuel ain't it chief
here in Brazil all cars are flex
Ethanol is actually amongst the simplest fuels. You can create it with water, sugar and yeast. You get the sugar from the corn, add the water and the yeast, fermented, distill it and you have ethanol.
yep, that's how is made in Usa, but you could do it from a variety of sources that can be transformed into sugar and subsequently ethanol. In Brazil is done with sugar cane, but it could be made from every starchy or sugary crop; the main thing is that it has to be as cheap as possible, otherwise it won't make much sense.
Here, in Brasil we use pure ethanol (E100), i feel the change in my car, it gets more "nervous" with 11 hp more than regular gas (142hp/153hp), our ethanol is made with cana-de-açúcar (sugar cane).
Here in Brazil, ethanol is a fuel sold normally at gas stations, all popular cars are Flex, run on Gasoline and Ethanol. is a more fuel with lower price. here it is produced from sugarcane.
Here in Brazil also sells Vehicular Natural Gas (GNV) which is a cheaper fuel still, however the cars do not leave the Factory already adapted to use this fuel, the drivers install this kits in specialized companies, mainly the taxi drivers, however there is a the only model that comes from the factory adapted to use GNV, FIAT Sienna Tetrafuel, it works using Gasoline, Ethanol, Natural Gas and Gasoline from Argentina.
@@WilliamACastro hmm.. i'd love to see an episode on LPG/GNV too and how the conversion kits work exactly :)
@@Tylonfoxx I also want to see. Which country are you from?
@@WilliamACastro Denmark... probably one of the least innovative countries on the front of alternative fuel, the worst country to own a car in,
and home of the well-known oil and bunker company Mærsk :D
Seriously... LPG could never lift off here (there's also an explosion danger, moreso than normal gas, so even the EU has problems with it)... we don't even have E85 served at the pumps (unlike Norway, Sweden and Germany). Not all cars are flex, but most newer ones can be refitted for flex... if it wasn't bogged down by taxes. E100 would never fly here... at least for the next 30 or so years because of a controversial state deal with Mærsk...
However, the state has considered reducing import tax (normally almost 200%) on electric cars... and the infrastructure is starting to get solid on that point...
Regular gas (95 EU octane, afaik americans would call it 88) lies just short of $2 per liter and diesel is about $1.50/liter currently... about half of that is CO2 "guiltyness" tax
william castro do you guys get the holden/gm 3.0 litre 6cyl flex fuel engines
I LOVE E85! I took my Jaguar XE35t from 340 stock HP, swapped two pulleys and added the VelocityAP tune, and now I have 553hp. No other mechanical changes needed for running Ethanol in the Jaguar XE. This puts me less than 40HP away from the worlds fastest Sedan, the Jaguar XE P8. :-) You can get a used XE35t for around 25K, even less.
Project 8 is fast cause of aero and chassis not power but good job.
Is your jaguar turbocharged or supercharged? Cause e85 only adds a ton of hp in boosted cars
@@2seep probs supervharged if he's talking abt swapping pulleys
Another point that speaks for ethanol is that you can manufacture it anywhere you can grow starchy crops. Which is basically anywhere humans live. Oil you have to find and have.
Maybe not so relevant for the US, but if you depend on pipelines and huge ships to get your oil, it looks a lot more interesting. (Considering the ships probably do not use light oil extra de-sulfured, but rather whatever dregs are left in the refinery...)
Keep up the great work 👍
Another thing I've noticed is mold growing around where fuel vapor is. My 87 Camaro is carbureted, and the air intake is just above the left headlight. Before I found a station near me that has non ethanol I was getting a lot of mold growing around the left headlight. Ever since I switched to non ethanol exclusively I don't get the mold anymore.
"Wait, high compression? Precise ignition timing? And dont care about my fuel economy?
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A RACE CAR!!!" Lol
My favorite part ahaha
Nice episode thanks
Helped me with a school project thank you donut
Ethanol does not negatively impact food prices, nor does it take crop space away from other crops. The corn used for ethanol production is "field corn", which is grown for livestock and isn't digestible by humans anyway. The fermentation process consumes the starches and leaves behind nutrients and protein which makes for a more nutritious feed for livestock.
You also can't drink ethanol (even before it's mixed with gasoline), as it contains high levels of toxins and other chemicals that are harmful if swallowed.
Also, most of the time, at least around here in north western Illinois. We take the corn dust that's in the grain bins and around the other stuff then take it to the ethanol plant. Might as well be used for something rather than being burned off. That's what they used to do to corn dust.
Fuel ethanol actually stabilizes food prices. Excess production of feed corn in good years doesn't tank the price of corn because ethanol plants can just run at 100% capacity. In really bad years the ethanol plants run slower and there is still enough corn for the pigs and cows. Caleb, you are wrong about the edibility of field corn though, it can be eaten if it is converted into hominy. Also, fuel ethanol is safe to drink too. You might want to carbon filter it and distill off the methanol, but methanol can be broken down easily by the body if you drink a little of it.
@@emptyshirt You can eat the corn raw aswell. I have done it many times. Only setback is that it tastes shit.
Field corn is used to make a lot of food products like Doritos. But you are right there will never be a shortage of it
But people care paid to post on the interweb that ethanol is made from food crops.
Just like my happiness
A thing of the past
yup... dang
I commited homicide on a freight train
Ethanol with proper tuning is the bee's knees. Much better partial and full throttle power and even a smoother running engine. (Given you have enough injector)
The MPG loss can be minimized as well because you can run a bit leaner partial throttle and also advance timing.
I drove 60 miles on the freeway last week and got 33mpg on my B7 2.0T on E50.
Good morning from Pensacola beach Florida !
Good stuff . Simple Smart to the point
I remember in The Dukes Of Hazzard The Beginning, Bo put moonshine in The General Lee to get away from Boss Hogg.
Hey random person scrolling down the comments..
Happy New Year, and all the best in 2019 :)
GuelphRacing it’s actually about to be 2020. Just wanted to make a correction
Thanks from 2020!
It's 2020. They are trying to ban the autobahn as I know it. Arguing environment. Meanwhile my dream motorcycle takes less fuel at 240kmh than a fatass BMW x3on average. Meanwhile they pay money for rich people buying an eco e car for 10 000bucks less instead of buying me a motorcycle. This year sucks.
These comments really didn’t age well
@@nimaabtahi9165 yeah.😂
I learn cool facts today , thanks man.
Love me some e85, got both the impala and the cadi running on it 24/7. Way cheaper than regular gas too
75% E85 & 25% GASOLINE blended together make a great race fuel..I use it in my classic 1970 Chevelle SS 454 V8 Big Block..Raises my Octane 15 points..👍
Great content and very well presented, I always use E10, its the cheapest and also higher octane than standard unleaded here in Australia. standard = 91 RON, e10 = 95 RON
Informative and funny, I like it.
This is the one channel that I don’t skip the sponsor, because they’re great 😂 love the vids!
I have been wondering about the effects of Ethanol on a modern car for years now. Glad, I finally learned about it's effects. If I ever get a car that could use this as it's source of fuel, I'll definitely try it and see how well it drives. (:
daily drive an Evo for 6 years on E85, it's basically a free 100whp because of the timing and increased boost over 91. I can't believe this video didn't mention turbos, that's where it really shines
Tooter Oh really. That’s good to know. Will an older Turbo system benefit from it as well?
@@WarriorsPhoto yeah, the detonation resistance is the whole secret, it allows for more boost, and you can push harder without problems. E85 cools the intake charge and has cooler combustion too. For example if you go crazy with mods you can make a 4 cylinder spit out 1000whp, but no way can you do that on just 91 octane
This reminds me of alliniol from cars 2
Finaly great info about this Type of fuel. Great job Guys! 😎
you know my favorite part? THE WAY THE AUDIO CHANGES volume UP AND DOWN. Thanks for that. Do it more.
I drink ethanol from Chevron when I'm broke.
@Blake Belladonna nah just enough to make u see sounds and hears colors.
Whats wrong with water?
However, the assumption that ethanol makes the air cleaner does not take into account all of the farm equipment used to harvest the corn as well as the refinement process, using straight gasoline In regular driving is a lot cleaner and makes more sense than the ethanol additives. But keep putting it in racing fuel, that’s a sacrifice we’re all willing to make.
You can run farm equipment on ethanol too if you know what you’re doing. You can also create an ethanol burner for your distillation apparatus if you know what you’re doing. 🤷🏽
More science garage!!!! Keep making em
I modified my 1980 Pontiac LeMans Safari wagon with a 301 and ran E85 and regular half & half, advanced the cam, blocked the heat risers, 160° thermostat, distributor had more timing than the law allows, used my car to haul scrap metal and antiques even with a 2.29 rear end ratio, the smogger carburetor ran way rich so it loved the alky. The only downside was I had to replace every fuel, return, and vapor line imaginable. Got many compliments on the sound of the car like it had a huge cam.
Amazing as I sit here fuming out this Chick Fil A line 🌽
Flex Fuel... Damn Phil Swift is cornering the Fuel market now!
I love ur videos guys keep up the good work
amazing video thank u
My car sat for about a month with E85 in the tank (I had some issues with my tuner) and after I got it sorted and started it was a little rough for about 2 or 3 minutes but after that there have been no problems at all. Switching to E85 was probably my favorite mod I've ever done with any car.
Anytime I drive my Subaru BRZ around, i usually get asked if I run E-85 . Never knew much about it until watching this 👍
Dean Jones239 do it man they run so much better with e85 so much smoother and it’s kinda fast lol
Do yourself a favor and tune it in the future. Particularly for track if you're not gonna make it a drifter.
I preciate the feedback guys ice been trying to get more into modifying my car towards a track build
@@kennedyjimenez3406 lmao "kinda" fast. Sorry but those things are insanely underpowered. Needs a turbo from the factory
If your brz isnt turbocharged then you will get little gains from e85
Bring science garage back! Love Bart!
Really miss this guy, so informative and cool edits
I miss this guy
He's breaking the 4th wall again
I like learning this stuff
I love y'alls channel, been here since 300K something, this channel Grew.. Fastt
Bart, i told your wife you coming to NY next weekend!
Sure miss Bart
I am super excited for the potential algae biofuel has for the world. It takes less space, can be grown on salt water or waste water, it produces food as a byproduct, it's completely carbon neutral, and it can be used to produce a wide range of fuels from gasoline to jet fuel. I really want to see algae biofuel take off because myself and many other people aren't ready to give up their muscle cars anytime soon.
I run Methanol in my race car. I also run new bearings after every quarter mile pass. My daily driver only requires a carb rebuild once a month to run alcohol. I add some 30wt oil to each fill up to try and keep rust in my tank at bay. I also use oil with no zinc in my race car but not in my daily driver.
I'd rather use vegetable oil. It has a octane rating of 140
good luck to injectors
It doesn't burn clean
@@axel3895 Just use a converted diesel engine
Dilly Good luck with that. Idiot.
That’s for deisel vehicles
What happens to my car if I mix premium gas with E-85
If it's not equipped with flex fuel sensors, etc. it'll run poorly if you mix more than 15% ethanol content. The effective octane rating of the fuel in your tank will go up, but your ECM will have to adjust the mass flow from injectors to compensate since ethanol has about 2/3 the combustion energy density of gasoline.
BTW most E85 sold at gas stations isnt exactly 85% ethanol. there is always some variance to ethanol content. Some gas stations will have 70% some have 82%, etc. The content matters because fuel maps will need to be calibrated based on how much ethanol is in the fuel mixture.
7% cars in the U.S run E-85.
nothing except better performance. I've run my BMW on full ethynol E85 for almost a year and its fantastic. Those who say otherwise have never used it they just repeat information they hear or read from unreliable sources.
Bart is great he seems supper chill
You the man Bart!!
One other point is that ethanol absolutely demolishes typical engine seals, especially in older vehicles. If you love having a big 'ol puddle of oil in your driveway on a regular basis, use E15. If it wasn't for that fact, it would be a great consideration for a lot of folks.
Science Garage these days feels like "Keep it down in the Science Garage, the baby is sleeping in the next room over" - I don't know if this was a production decision or Bart is just feeling low on energy or what, but it's just not the same. :\
He's becoming a dad soon.
No more screaming Bart then
Bunch of people were whining talking about he's too aggressive 😂😂😂 that was the fun part
Noticeable, yes but still just as informative and interesting. You can clearly tell who’s the grownup in the Donut trio.
A bit sad when he says compression engines like my hapiness a thing of the past but also funny. I think he can make a joke out of sad
I love donut media. You guys are awesome. Keep up the good work man
Very nice and informative video. Can you do the same for CNG and LPG fuels. They are very common in some markets
Never give up on Combustion engines!
Never gonna give them up never gonna let them down
If you don't have a flex fuel vehicle you don't have the proper rubber seals or plastics. Don't use it.
Flex fuel isn't an issue of rubber seals, it's an issue of engine management and sensors. Modern fuel systems can support E85 just fine, but they need to be tuned for it.
Also most car engines have long switched from fiber/cork gaskets to exclusively multi-layered steel (MLS) gaskets a long time ago to the point where that is more of a falsehood than a truth. To ballpark, If it was made after 2005, chances are that a tune is the issue.
@@Haloruler64 Yup. You are absolutely right.
Its possible to run E85. You would have to upgrade the fuel system components and get a tune for it. But if you’re saying just a regular car and the owner tries to put in E85, yeah thats a big hell no. Don’t ever do that.
That audible plug between Bart and Nolan was the best plug I've ever seen on youtube; very surreal LOL
First Donut Media video where the subscribe button satisfyingly and perfectly aligns with their template.
Yeah!👋🏻😃
Fire in the bathroom!
My car gets significantly better gas mileage when I avoid ethanol
That's normal as ethanol naturally burns more efficiently than gasoline. You still save money as ethanol is a lot cheaper depending where you live while increasing the power potential of your engine. It's good for the environment, too.
@@3O2MuStAnG I have a turbo kit on a 3.5 VQ Putting 349 down at the wheel. Not only do I get valve chatter during cold start ups with ethanol but sluggish pedal response all around. And although the price is negligible when comparing the two types of gasoline almost all ethanol laced gas in my area is 15%.
OneTT It really does depend where you live. In Australia E10 is the "cheap" fuel and is generally avoided since most cars run like ass on it. E85 on the other hand is fairly uncommon at the pumps and is usually 40-50 cents MORE expensive than petrol.
@@atomicmillenial9728 is it a question of whether the cars poor performance on that fuel can be tuned to run ok
The better mileage is due to the fact that the power density of ethanol is lower than that of gasoline. So to get same amount of heat out of the fuel you need to use more of it.
In the 70s, Pioneer ran a funny car on E95, and it could only run for expansion because it had such an advantage! In the early 2000s, Triumph ran a Daytona 675 on pure ethanol for exhibition for the same reason, and it led to the new Triumph moto GP bikes that run on E95
I have a son who works at the local "corn gas" plant. It's one of the most heavily monitored(by the ATF) facilities around. They make sure no one is running moonshine outta there. He gives me 55 gal barrels full of the used mash though...makes great fertilizer and breaks up the heavy clay soil. Also good bear bait!