If this can keep internal combustion engines still running and we can viably make it in enough quantities to keep up to world demand, I'm all for this!
Not likely due to the inherent losses, thermodynamics 101, any transformation of energy incur losses. It makes little sense to turn electricity in to gas. but all ground transportations (cars, trucks, trains) can be electrified through batteries or overhead-wires/rails/wireless beaming. This technology is perfect for airplanes and car enthusiasts, maybe ships too
The goal is not keep up the world demand the goal is to stop the impact of the industry on the nature and methanol is just toxic is just different type just look at the dragsters The process of MTG produce a lot of toxic waste too Hydrogen is the only viable way
@@arthur9511 How much electricity can you provide those factories? This isn't a solution, it's a problem. The energy infrastructure isn't able to sustain your idea, and when we upgrade the electricity net and production it becomes a net loss to convert that back into a hydrocarbon. The only place this will take hold, most likely, is for racing. So we can keep our combustion engines there.. heck even today's F1 sound terrible compared to the 1989-1994 3.5l N/A engines.. that Ferrari V12 makes the best sounds ever produced by a combustion engine. Preserving this should be our focus, instead of trying to 'fight windmills' like a Don Quixote
@@MarvinWestmaas Meh, depends on what energy is used and how we get it. This is a good solution if we get clean energy and is money worth spending to research, Better than sucking up all the oil we can get and fkn the environment as much as we can...
@@MarvinWestmaas We never fully implemented nuclear energy, it is still the future. We are constantly finding new ways to extract energy, if it still is radioactive, there is energy to be harnessed. Once we build more of them like we were supposed to, then we can stop pussyfooting around with solar and wind. Hydroelectric dams are the only "renewable" that has and will continue to handle the tests of time.
If i win the powerball i would make it happen. And i would sue the EPA for overreach, because cars running on my fuel wouldn't actually be polluting. They would have to change their wording. I would also sue california for banning cars that run on my fuel
@@infinitehexington Very funny. * * * South Africa made its own gasoline for decades from coal (Sasol). This EV stuff is stupid. I wish Porshe well, but the manufacturing of gasoline has already been mastered and proven by Sasol. Maybe Porsche wants to appease the global-warming tree-huggers with "carbon neutrality". That's stupid too.
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This is honestly amazing. I see a big future for this kind of fuels in F1 first. They want a eco-friendly sport, so this kind of fuels would be a good choice.
Wrc already uses Synthetic fuels. I'm skeptical, about E Fuels being viable in passenger cars. But I really have my hopes up, that we can keep watching loud race cars.
The sport itself wouldn't be eco friendly... The emissions are the exact same as if the car was running on normal gasoline. The only difference is how the gasoline is made...
Unfortunately he said crude oil "it's made out of old dead dinosaurs" and that's incorrect it's old dead trees and plants. before we had organisms on the earth that evolved that were later able to decompose an eat that stuff, it just sat there, layers on layers of each other in the earths crust, over millions of years it wast transformed into what it is now via pressure and time. crude oil is concentrated sunlight energy over millions of years of decomposition, and not decomposed dinosaurs, but yes dinosaurs were around at the time.
Agreed...more of this and less of "Which celebrity has the coolest cars?" segments. That's how they started and it should be a return to their roots imo.
@@MrKingkiller they still sell EVs though, everybody is. The only ICE cars left in the future will be priced high because companies know will pay for it
@@Bobspineable EVs are a joke there isnt even proper infrastructure for most power grids to handle charging them its not cheaper to charge them anymore more expensive now and charging times vary depending on how many cars are there so if its full youre charging rate will go up by hours
This might be really good in Norway in the summer as we have surplus energy from hydropower we could use to create fuel which then becomes a really good "battery" for the winter.
Nuclear is by far the most energy dense source of power and has a small footprint, it works 24/7/365/not weather dependant, it's zero emission and it's virtually inexhaustible.
@@thekinarboWind and solar are cheaper than nuclear, and the factory or at least hydrolyser can be stopped when there is lack of electricity. In Finland this spring the cheapest electricity price was -0,04€/kWh, so user was paid. They are going to build much more wind power, so there will be nearly zero price times in future also. We already had to lower the nuclear power because of too much wind and hydropower. Methanol can be used on fuel cell also. Better efficiency than in ICE. (SOFC = solid oxide fuel cell can use about any hydrocarbon or alcohol, carbon monoxide, hydrogen etc. ) Those factories should be close to cities, befause of they generate heat that can be used in the city. The local energy factory is building a very large heat energy storage. They heat the water in summer with heat pumps and waste heat for Winter. Stupid that in Finland the Nuclear plants are in middle of nowhere. They dump the waste heat to the sea.
@@jounisaari9471 It takes about 2,000 wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity as 1 nuclear plant, and on a much smaller land footprint. Do you really want to see wind turbines dotted all over the landscape? The Kennedy family are huge climate change nuts yet they nixed plans to build a wind turbine farm near their mansion in Massachusetts. I don't blame them, wind turbines are an eye sore and they kill endangered birds of prey.
Chemical energy storage is great. The energy in fossil fuel has been a stored for scores of millions of years. Try storing electricity in a battery for that long.
Agreed, once they got past the kindergarten-geared perspective associated with this topic and likewise forced onto a populace that believes whatever 'authority' tells them. Oil is not made from "dead dinosaurs". It's not even a so-called "fossil fuel". This myth is based on theory that has since been disproven over and over by actual scientists. Oil is abiotic and is produced by the earth, much like how your body produces blood; it will never run out. In fact, the supply is greater now more than ever but has been limited by governing and lobbying interests. Also, if "carbon" is the supposed problem then electric is far worse, as most electricity in the world is produced by coal. The debate is pollutants, not carbon dioxide. CO2 is actually ideal for the atmosphere... Photosynthesis. With that said, I fully support alternative fuel sources and this video was pretty cool.
When you think about it, regular gas isn't much easier to obtain, is just cheaper because we have been doing it for so long we have basically mastered it. It's very possible that, if we invest enough money and efforts to make this whole water gas process more efficient and optimized, this stuff will be viable and pretty competitive with regular gas prices in the next 30-40 years. They're just starting, there's much research to be done and this is very promising. Amazing stuff!
Gasoline only requires a pump to extract, and then a refinement process. Synthetic requires a bit more energy. But if it's from a renewable source, it doesn't matter as much
Honestly, a healthy dose of skepticism is in order with this technology. The pivot point for this to be viable is the carbon capture system. In this video, the carbon capture is theoretical, it’s $40 a gallon using carbon that I’m assuming was captured using traditional methods. The efficiency, or inefficiency, of their carbon capture could make it even more expensive. I suppose it could also make it cost efficient if it works, but it’s just not proven yet.
@@jonathansmith7306 Looks like you should do more research about the oil industry, there is much more than a pump required to extract crude oil. It will be interesting to see the real energy required to do this type of synthetic fuel, I will bet is more but if you can get it from non-dispatchable renewable energy like wind or solar we can get much better efficiency from their generation. As someone mentioned here the key here is the technology for carbon capture.
the fact that they are already at "only" 40$ a gallon is honestly nothing but amazing. remember they get that stuff from air and water only. if they make these around the world, in more central areas like europe and the US, im sure production can be ramped up rapidly and prices can be cut by a ton to almost regular fuel if not less even. GO PORSCHE!
Why drop prices. Conventional fuels are going to run out eventually. And once the governments at be of the world catch wind of this with enough push behind it, they will straight ban conventional fuels and this will be all that’s available at the pumps. So that Toyota Prius will be $400+ per fill up. Work from home indeed, because you can’t afford to make it to the office.
to be fair it’s $40/gallon pumped at the factory. with any sort of shipping it’d be a lot more unfortunately. Nonetheless a historic achievement, really hope this works. 😅 i need engines in my life
If they can make hydrocarbons for gasoline, they can make oil and gas too. Suddenly the whole economy could shift from relying on fossils to carbon neutral alternatives that are exactly the same, saving costs on new infrastructure. I think this could become cheaper than how we are living today if all goes well. But that's a big if.
lol $40/gallon from the factory is not even remotely amazing. The technology is cool, but nothing new. This has been around for decades and the reason we don't do it is because it's expensive. I don't even mean monetarily expensive which can be overcome, I mean it's expensive from an energy spent to energy gained stand point. The energy spent to make this fuel would be at least 10 times more efficient if it was simply sent to the grid and used to charge an electric vehicle. So Porsche has just proved to everyone something we already knew. Compared to green electric power, this technology is pointless. The only reason I can see it being of use is if in the far far future, we actually run out of crude oil and need to make some of this stuff for shits and grins to run some ancient ICE fossils from back in the day.
@@nick_1O8 On the plus side you can basically make the fuel anywhere so shipping distances can be shortened by making the fuel in different geographic areas. We don’t get to choose where oil is located in the ground so being able to choose where we make efuel is a positive vs normal petrol.
Love seeing my natal country, and city Punta Arenas being part of such an important step into efuels thanks to HIF, my dad works for Linde, the company which is delivering carbon to this factory. Lot of times he has travelled along the truck to make the delivery so I'm very proud. Love your videos Donut, very well edited to see the wonderfull landscapes this zone has.
Chile will keep classic petrol cars alive, when they use your e-fuel. I thank your country greatly for keeping classic cars on the road in an era where EVs become commonplace. :)
Im from Chile and like Ive said in another video, is fun to see this stuff in YT channels like Donut Media instead on local tv channels. Ive saw you IG photos and Im glad to see you've enjoyed our country like the landscape and people. Hope you had a good time here and cant wait to see you again over here Un abrazo del mejor pais de Chile, hermano! PS: Also you piblished this video of your adventures in Chile in the same day Ive arrived to the US to start my own adventures
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I haven't been to Chile since 2000, to visit my grandfather, but I really enjoyed it. I especially enjoyed exploring the jungles. Unbelievably beautiful country. I hear the skiing is world class too, but I didn't get to ski while I was visiting.
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I've been fascinated about this topic for a long time. Audi has had its own eco-oil programme that they abbandoned like 5 years ago for sake of electrification, since then I was dreaming of this concept of eco-oil whenever I had an dispute with my friends regarding electric cars. It seems that Porshe took over their work. I'm so excited to know that this programme is still alive. You have brighten my day. Thank you donut for spreading evangelion!
Wait, spreading Evangelion?? . . Ok actually, I'm down for that as well haha. Let's just hope human instrumentality goes over a little better this time around?
All of them are discreetly sabotaged by some people for reasons. Even this fuel could be a lot cheaper if it was methanol instead of synthetic gasoline (which would require changes in the engine to use) and used other sources of energy (such as solar heat) and chemical processes (such as avoiding the use of electricity or use organic waste as part of its raw materials).
@@samuelherbert3530I find that hard to believe, personally. Carbon capture and electrolysis are very energy intensive, as are the synthetic processes involved afterwards. These studies must be assuming that all the electricity is essentially free.
Donut is filling the TopGear gap that we have all been craving. Well done team, keep up the good work. The topics and video quality are just getting better and better. An old school TopGear-esque $10k car road trip challenge has to be in your future.
Way to go Donut!! for selling your souls to the WEF lie for dirty money. I see your shadow banning comments from those you don't agree with. You have lost all credibility with this video and have shown yourselves for what you really are, money shills. Hows it feel, can you feel the loss. Did you even notice when you crossed the line? Here was my original post. All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
Lookup Overdrive (name Driven before), they really are a TopGear clone (on a small UA-cam channel budget). Stupid modifications, buying 3 cars with a low budget, etc.
If I'm not mistaken, Caterpillar has started using hydrogen engines in big construction vehicles over EV's. Reason being that EV's don't work well while under load and aren't able to handle extreme weather either
The thing is this fuel is this expensive because we haven't scaled up production. It can be made for pennies per gallon and it will be a waste product not a primary product. We need lftrs... use the waste heat from that to make carbon neutral gasoline and Diesel. And then in cases where batteries don't serve the purpose, we still have liquid fuels
This is actually insane. With it not being tied to ports or major refinery zones for raw crude to arrive. Theoretically they could have refineries anywhere, and more importantly near major cities. Which they can take in the massive amounts of CO^2 being produced in major cities but also cut down on the economic and environmental cost of transporting fuel to these cities. This is insane.
i think the best place to put these synthetic oil refineries is right up next to the original oil refineries and what co2 output the natural oil factory should directly go to that capture machine and they would produce both oils at the same time, they could use the same logistics to both fuels and reduce the shit out of their carbon outputs...
Man, nothing hits better than a solo Zach Jobe video in the morning! This man puts out some of the absolute best donut content when he is in front of the camera. Keep up the great work jobey!
@@KeVIn-pm7pu Not throwing shade but you know Cobalt mining is also a big problem to the environment, but noone really thinks about the Lithium batteries we use day to day, things like Phones, Airbags, Paint, Batteries all use cobalt illegally mined from the Congo.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu I think this might be the future. Gasoline car will be considered as like a “hobby” where people will only use it rarely to have fun. It’s great to have options tho. me personally I’m okay with driving an EV for daily commute and then having lots of fun on the weekend with an ICE
@@KeVIn-pm7pu not if we consider the cost of power is going up substantially. Where I am, my electrical bill went from $120 a month to $350 a month, and I don’t even have an electric car. Even if it were cheaper, the current battery technology we possess is…limited. Batteries, like pretty much everything, lose their life over time. When I was curious about a battery pack, I simply could not justify forking out $27,000 before shipping and labor to keep your car moving for another 6 years. Motors are cheaper, transmissions are cheaper. The technology just…works. It can help a much broader audience (specifically the first time car shoppers) to get a vehicle that doesn’t hurt the environment as we change the fuel that can run in a beaten up Civic or something along those lines.
If you search P1 fuels you will learn that the top tier WRC car run on the same (kind) of fuel. I have read an article from 2018 that their cost for the fuel is 30 to 40 cents per kwh, vs 6 cents for the normal common gasoline (1 liter of gasoline containing approximately 8.9 kwh). Now i can remember if this was € or $ but it is just for comparison now. They also claimed that if they scaled up production and taking production from the North sea to Northern Africa (Mediterranean sea) then this e fuel or synthetic gasoline could be produced at a cost of 10 cents per kwh. This is 66% more than gasoline and thus is very promising. It will depent on governments how much taxes they going to charge to make it compatible with the common gasoline.
At 40$ a gallon, this TOTALLY has a use right now. That shit's a drop in the bucket for motor sports teams, and they are CONSTANTLY being hounded for their emissions. If you mandate E-Fuel being the gas of choice for motorsport, not ONLY are you preserving the legacy in a carbon-neutral way, you're boosting the need to cheapen it by finding an existing market.
theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
You're in for a great time...I recommend watching some 'Up To Speed' episodes first, after that I'm certain you'll become a subscriber! They're awesome over there at Donut Media!
All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
I hope you guys cover Toyota's Hydrogen engine. It's also internal combustion engine but instead of using gasoline it uses H2 gas as fuel. Its exhaust product is literally water vapour. My favourite part about this whole project is that to promote it, they revived two AE86s and put two carbon neutral engines in them (BEV and H2). The best part about the AE86 H2 is that it used the exact same 4AGE engine but fed it H2 instead of gasoline.
@@tonnynguyen390 it's an internal combustion engine. They're making it to keep the car culture alive. Also, if what they say is true, you can use any internal combustion engines with H2 with the only changes are fuel line and fuel injection, like how they did with the AE86 H2. So while H2 fuel cells and electric motors are more efficient, Toyota is reusing engines that are already exist.
Its exhaust product is NOT water vapour as air is mostly NITROGEN - nitrogen compound production (which produces smog and acid rain) is WORSE than any other type of combustion engine (edit, gotta love the morons who cant read and dont know the air that you mix with the hydrogen to burn it is 70% nitrogen)
@@JiggyGnorrus which is impossible due to thermodynamics, unless global governments want to hand out even more grants and subsidies than they already do for the fossil fuel industry... It's actually impressive how energy inefficient this entire process is.
We've gotta do something, and things like this are fantastic but not proven. We need to make more green energy to make enough to get even close to being effective. In the meantime, we have to hedge our bets that we won't do those things fast enough. We can do both. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
It's called physics. Running an inefficient ICE with an energy inefficient to produce fuel is a recipe for ~~oil company PR~~ something that will never be affordable. As much as oil companies and car manufacturer wants thermodynamic is a thing that will screw them and the rest of us if we don't kill them first.
Thanks so much for a video on this - I've been super curious to see it actually in action and it looks extremely promising. EV's have their place - but at least on the surface this seems like this makes more sense.
If you don't consider the efficiency of it, it does. At this moment it's a sixth to an eight the efficiency of just using the electricity to power a car.
This is super cool tech to keep classic cars around for occasional use. EV’s are the way to solve the climate crisis and get air pollution out of cities - which claims many lives and is a burden on the health care system.
@@coleeto2 except for all the issues brought up by Evs. Mining batteries, making sure the electricity grid could support everyone driving Evs (which jt is no where near supporting), poor/rural areas that won't be able to utilize Evs effectively
@@coleeto2 I mean.. You could also just put more greeny stuff in cities.. especially on all those roofs etc. There is so much space for that. It wouldn't just help the bad air polution in cities, but also cities overheating, because concrete etc. are saving the heat of the sun. And I'm not talking only about trees.. even grass and smaller plants would be enough. But ofc, only one thing isn't the problem solver for everything. A good mix of everything would help way more.
I am really happy that Porsche is putting this much effort, not only for making them more money ( by u know selling manual 911 and stuff ) , but maybe also...thinking about us I am in awe that Zach got an oppurtunity to go to the factory in Chile itself where the new ( literally) liquid gold is made... You guys are really big now...in just 5-6 years you guys from okay no. of subs to an insane level and get oppurtunities like this...Really proud!!
This is honestly amazing. I think this is a proof that we could have a future where all EV's Hydrogen and combustion engine cars co-exist. They all have their applications, so no point in having just one
This isn't what you think it is. It's still gasoline, meaning it still releases fuck-tons of global warming causing carbon when burnt/used. This isn't a solution it's a shitty petro-chemical industry funded stopgap.
I’m more and more impressed by Donut. This is a worthy topic that needs a light shed on it. As a car enthusiast, I hope this fuel evolves one day into a common product. Particularly because I don’t have much enthusiasm for EVs.
There is a reason why Volkswagen, who owns Porsche & Lamborghini, is developing this, their legacy products. This will probably never be available at scale; if you have to ask about the price, you probably can not afford it. I am working on a related project, whose profitability is dependent on being able to sell the end product to those who own legacy enthusiast vehicles, but whose real goal is to clean up polluted water; the viability and profitability of the fuel is dependent on a market that does not care about price.
don't worry as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
Voikwagen doesn't need the green washing. Let's just say that the CO2 they are using isn't exactly created in the greenest manner, and efficient "direct capture" is still a ways off.
not really because then we would have to keep normal gas cars because it is not putting off enough carbon dioxide. We would be fighting the trees for gas
Realistically cars should go electric, however this stuff can be great for rockets, planes, military, etc. They just need to keep at it for 30+ more years which really isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things.
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$40 per gallon might sound crazy today, but in +20 years (which is how long it would take for this tech/production to go mainstream, if it ever does) it's not a lot at this rate.
don't worry it already has as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down and their already expanding that
It still emits carbon, especially in the City. When most cars will drive electric cities wont accept dirty gas guzzler anymore. Also the energy is far better invested in other things than efuels.
“Green” hydrogen is too expensive for them to make. They will just use methane to get hydrogen, releasing huge amounts of carbon dioxide in the process. Because it’s way cheaper. Or instead of using 6 times the energy to get fuel, just switch to electric.
@@Dupont550 They won't. The moment we are able to switch to eFuel we probably have enough green energy and hydrogen to put into it. Ofcourse it will still be more expensive because of loses but in a carbon neutral future this stuff is great. There is many types of hobbies and entertainment which we "waste" money and energy for.
From an economic perspective, it‘s actually the dumpest idea possible. By the time efuels could get affordable enough, almost nobody will own an internal combustion engine car anymore
7:50 using solar and wind to manufacture fuel (added cost) and then introduce additives to prevent engine deposits (added cost), transport the fuel in tankers (added cost) to gas stations where workers sell you the fuel (added cost). When solid state graphene batteries are the norm, is never going to be able to complete with just plugging your car into your garage overnight and charging for 13 cents per kw, or better yet installing your own solar panels and driving for free
Man, once the logistics get solved (same way the industry had to solve it when gasoline first became available), it will be a real game changer for the car industry. Make it happen guys!!
Yes, logistics... We're aiming to make green electricity our main source of energy and you think we can afford to pour 8 times more into creating these e-fuels instead of just getting that electricity directly into a battery? EVs are constantly improving at incredible rates. Once the only pro of an ICE is refuelling faster on long trips, who on his damn mind will still buy them? The only question here is if the west will get its act together and start really pushing towards the EV revolution or if we'll just all stay impassive waiting for the Chinese to utterly demolish our car industry... They'll pump EV's like chocolate bars, at affordable prices and in great quantities. Hell, even the Koreans are doing it right now even though they're not as cheap as one would want them.
@@AI-qd4vb The amount of pollution to get lithium, mixed with the fact a lot of places barely have the electrical system to support themselves normally, never mind when everybody is relying on charging their electric cars, (Ex. California), and the fact that we supposedly don’t have enough lithium to supply the whole world with electric cars is bad enough, never mind the fact that there are millions upon millions of ICE cars and trucks that won’t be off of the road anytime soon, and with car guys some may never be off the road, synthetic fuel seems like a better option if they can manufacture and sell it in higher quantities and faster
@@firedemon2166 Thank God real people still exist and not AI generated NPC who think we can run the world on unicorn farts and a dream. People have no idea how dependent we are on fossil fuels. Like everything and I mean everything we touch is derived from "dead dino's". Even the goddamn EV's a primarily made of plastics and where the hell do people think plastic comes from? A tree? The plastic tree?! The wealthy can bare go carbon net zero, yet they think it's feasible for the rest of the world?!? LOL.
@@AI-qd4vb another huge issue with EVs is battery life, lithium batteries are only good for about 10 or so years before they can't hold a charge anymore and need replaced. Meanwhile ICEs with proper maintenance can last for decades. My project car is 42 years old, and when I bought it it had been sitting for 5 years. Put a little gas in and she started right up
Correction: carbon doesn't destroy the Ozone layer.. Donut mixed things up here. Increased levels of Carbon (CO2) the atmosphere accelerates the green house effect - thats why people are saying that burning oil is bad - NOT because it destroys the Ozone layer. Thats a whole different independent topic and has nothing to do with cars.
@KeV In Until a cheaper, more efficient method in producing it gets finalized, of course. Telephones were once toys for the rich as well, now even toddlers get access to them.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu if there is enough interest and effort put it, I’m sure the price would come down significantly. Maybe not $2/gal but with modern hybrids we could maybe get to a place that affordable for an everyday consumer
Porsche are eager to promote this idea. Every single person they can convince to buy ICEs and their expensive fuel is worth the spending in marketing money.
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
@@koiyujo1543 As someone who studies technology you will probaply also be aware that the 5 - 7$ per gallon mark is not reachable within this century. If it is even reachable at all, remember that even Porsche doesn't go that low with their lowest estimate. By the time E-Fuels are a valid alternative for the everyday consumer every car on the road must be electric anyway if we want any chance at slowing or stopping climate change.
I can only think that this will be for a specialty market in the future. The energy costs for the creation of this fuel don't justify the output that you can achieve with it, at least not with today's and the foreseeable future's technology. By the looks of it, you could use the same amount of energy and get a lot more hydrogen or just electricity than you'll ever get from the gas that you are producing so it's really not a great energy source on its own, but for those who want to maintain an IC engine, it will be something that they will really love.
Loved this video! This is actually technology the US Navy has been looking into for quite a while as well, except they'd be using the nuclear power plants on their aircraft carriers to generate the electricity and they want to use seawater and carbon capture to make jet fuel for the aircraft. Can't wait to see where else you guys go!
Yeah Navy got it right, they've already proven the technology at a price point of $6-8 USD a gallon and now are working to scale it up to commercial levels. The reason we don't hear about it is that the Navy is positioning it to replace having to escort tanker ships around not provide commercial fuel. Buuut we know what happens with military tech after the military gets done with it, like that's how the Internet started.
Awesome! Never knew this was a thing until now. I know of a few places making ethanol (e85) fuel from Industrial Hemp crops. The plant soaks 30 lbs of co2 out of the air per acre during a season and then the plants harvested and turned into cellulosic ethanol, much the same as maze, wheat and barley crop ethanol which burns 3 times cleaner than petrol but also comes from a carbon negative source instead of being mined.
Oil and natural gas do not come from fossilized dinosaurs! Thus, they are not fossil fuels. That's a myth. According to Wikipedia, the term “fossil fuel” was first used by German chemist Caspar Neumann in 1759.Apr 16, 2019
It’s America, it’s expensive to travel outside of the state, in Europe where some countries are smaller than some us states it’s considered normal, but it’s the only place where that’s even a thought as a normal.
I'm guessing that they will put the air capture device in the middle of huge cities to fully makes it eco friendly. I'm very excited to see this innovation to go through. ICE for the win!
@Andrew Duong how? Itd be most effective in areas with high CO2 pollution (in cities) and so itll be easier and cheaper to capture CO2 there and then shipped to plants. Or even have a plant near the city like Pasadena or Freeport in Texas.
It does not really matter. one gust of wind and the co2 is pread out. There's pretty much as much co2 in everywhere in the world. Placement of these facilities does not make a difference to their efficensy. Could even be counterproductive, if their filters should be changed more frequently due other particles.
@@andrewduong2740 As a society you save future money as well, as you pull co2 out of the air you will also inherently pull particles out as well, making the air quality better. Air quality better= lower healthcare costs, on a broad scale.
A quick correction: oil is not made out of dinosaurs. It's made out of plants. People think it's dinosaur sludge because of the gas station that had a big dinosaur logo on it back in the 60s.
well... not solely plants. The accepted theory, is plankton and algae, so zooplankton as well. Also, Zach talks about "hydrocarbons released into the atmosphere" - while showing CO2. And implies the problem with greenhouse gases is how they affect the ozone layer... All told, this episode begins with some very dodgy "science".
Yep. Lots of dumb idiot leftist spouting Al Gore bs. Ice is banned because of communist legislation. The real scientist calling all the political bs. - Dr. Steven Koonin (Obama administration, nothing wrong with climate) - Dr. Willie Soon PhD Astrophysicist and Geoscience (The sun is responsible for changing climate, not co2) - Dr. Freeman Dyson PhD Astrophysics and Mathematics - Dr. Ivar Giaever PhD Physicist Nobel Laureate - Dr. Fred Singer PhD Atmospheric Physicist - Dr. Andrew Snelling PhD Geologist - Dr. John Christy - Dr. Hermann Harde PhD Physics - Dr. Susan Crockford PhD in Zoology Oil is infinite.
I hope this concept doesn't get thrown out the window or buried quietly by the higher ups or something. Because as much as I love EVs and believe that they are the future, I don't want ICEs to go away either. We all know that EVs simply don't have the "funness" of ICE cars.
practically you are so right, but the environment doesn't give a fck for what is "fun" if EVs could be made so charge time was very little, and cold weather didn't stall them, making them useless, then they would be a huge saving on the environment (people don't start a debate on how u are wrongly told that the production aso bla bla bla is way more polluting...i will put you down so bad you will be ashamed! ) more EVs yes, BUT not before the grid can handle it...!!
This is awesome, yeah its expensive rn but that's a simple enough process to make this viable by having more facilities, and it's like a co2, filter system
The problem is, there's a finite amount of water on this planet...... So, we go from that which is limited to that which is limitless to that which is limited but essential for human survival.
@@monsterbacon816 the ocean is only used for transportation of people and goods, as well as regulating the planter's climate..... Nothing really important for any species to survive on this planet.... Not like mankind has any real interest in surviving another millennium...
I'm cautious to take Porsche's word for how environmentally-friendly this synthetic gasoline is, so I'd love to see some independent testing done on that.
It's not any more environmentally friendly than normal gasoline, so testing it is pointless. The difference is that it's produced with carbon captured from the air.
@@P4INKiller well not only does this process not use fossil fuels, this process ideally takes in the carbon from other emissions which overall lowers our footprint. It'd be an improvement if done right
It uses more energy than a battery electric drive train to do the same work and then continues to dump exhaust gas into our cities. It won’t be on sale for very long.
The problem is that it uses far more energy than traditional fuel. You would be way better off by using the electicity generated by rewneable energy sources and use it directly in homes.
9:12 local green fuel ships brown when distributed far away: I'm a big fan of wind-powered sail-boats for green-shipping and efuel tankers.. with modern weather maps and motorized sail-hoists could be great to de-carbonize shipping.
It's far more efficient to do this than makeing new electric cars, the emissions from making a new cars, is off set by using e fuel taken from the atmosphere and energy from renewabls to keep older vehicles running indefinitely.
Aw yeah keep this kind of content coming, Learning about these kinds of breakthroughs through your channel is the most entertaining way to consume this kind of content
It's a really neat extra option, especially for shipping. I wonder how easily this process can be ramped up or down? It would be excellent to see a plant like this use excess renewables overnight when the demand is low.
the issue is, as long as electricity production remains a for-profit venture, electrical companies won't ever build enough wind mills and solar arrays to make it a viable source of electricity for stuff as energy-intensive as synthetic fuel creation. Because as it stands, for synthetic fuel to be economically viable, they'd have to purchase electricity at negative prices, i.e. getting paid by their electricity provider to use it, and why would a company ever build excess infrastructure only to then pay other companies to consume their product?
I remember seeing a video of this a while ago. The biggest hurdle of this process is getting plants constructed and system implemented. The initial cost would be huge for the companies, and you know they would pass the cost off to consumers plus high profit margins.
Love to see another video from you guys , I been following since the first money pit videos and now seeing you guys come to my own country 🇨🇱make me see you have come a long way. Keep it up
The plant in Chile is an experiment. They probably chose a location that was good to make efuel wether it is close or not. If they can successfully scale up production at an O.K. cost then they can start construction of another plant maybe closer to the consumers. This is a great inovation since there is a lot of locations that could become independent and make their own fuel. A little pricy tho 😂
@@comicrandomness3289 I'm honestly wondering why the didn't really utilize the desert in this way yet. I mean I don't know how much they have already done and I'm also against plastering the entire desert full of solar panels but there is so much empty space that can easily hold hundreds if not thousands of square miles of solar panels without anyone even noticing lol
Jobe said they chose that location for the wind. When you look up where it's located it says they can have sustained winds up to 80mph in the summer. Their city has rope railings so when people get caught walking in it they have something to hold onto. Really great place for wind engery.
think about what defines the cost of this: the cost of the electricity they have to put in to make a gallon... Sure you can plant solar panels, but if you make more money by selling electricity the owner isn't gonna pay a bunch of scientist to convert that into speed juice with a much lower revenue. So if they need 8x electricity energy to make 1x new gasoline energy it's gonna cost at least 9x
I'm glad at least someone is trying to make "green" gas, considering how dirty EVs actually are another option and potential future is always exciting to think about
Wow, as a fan of classic American muscle I never thought I'd say this, but thank you Porche! 🙏🙏 Pulling this off would probably be the biggest thing since the model T! Exciting stuff!
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
"...it is made out of dead dinosaurs..." Really? Given that TItan has more hydrocarbons than Earth, are you saying that it previously had a thriving dinosaur ecology?
Im pretty sure this is a big part uf the future in cars, as production of the fuel goes up the cost will go down a lot. Some experts in germany say it will be cheaper than normal gas. This would be extremely good for the environment considering the low emissions linked to the product. Also production could be based in contrys that have lots of solar power (like the sahara for example) and fuel could be transported via the ordinary ways while it would be extremely difficult to transport electricity that far.
Awesome that you guys traveled to Punta Arenas to do this!! Hope you had a great time in Chile. I will argue that the end of the World is Ushuaia in Argentina but I can give it to Punta since they are the last continental city (Ushuaia is in the Island below)
If you research this a little bit. You find that the Linde CO2 came from flue gas. Which comes from factories burning regular fuel. So how are we going to get as much synthetic gas as regular gas from burning regular gas to get our CO2 to make synthetic gas. So far without seeing the actual results of pulling CO2 from the air, this still does not seem viable. This was a great video but there's a lot more to it.
I'm pretty confident this is what the cars in Idiocracy were producing on board. They had a hose connected to the exhaust and it was redirected to a sort of generator. In theory, a micro synthesis chamber with a hydrogen extraction unit could be made portable to create on-demand fuel. Would be great to never need to fill up, except for water 😮
I was thinking about this while watching the video! I’d say we definitely have a long way to go before something like that is possible to produce on a large scale and be economical, but as technology continues to develop and more research and testing is done, I think this is something we could see in the future on a large scale! Hopefully we can get to a point where internal combustion vehicles and ev’s can exist together without having such harmful effects on the environment.
As a physics major... ChristiaNCZE is right. Ya'll are describing a perpetual motion machine, and those violate conservation of energy. You cannot get any useful work out of an energy loop, even with 100% efficiency. And thanks to the laws of thermo dynamics, few things in this universe are ever 100% efficient anyway. Creating fuel from scratch by the chemical processes featured here COSTS energy to accomplish..m Then burning that fuel to accomplish work, that fuel CANNOT accomplish MORE work than was put into creating it. You literally cannot both drive the car, and produce enough electricity to convert the car's own exhaust back into fuel. Something laymen always suck at is they tend to utterly fail to separate the concept of energy storage, and energy generation. These are two very different concepts. Generally, you cannot accomplish both on a vehicle in way that the production of energy storage can be used for its own energy generation. People think enough degrees of separation between energy storage and energy generation magically makes energy loops and perpetual motion work... It doesnt... Producing gas from the car's exhaust, ON BOARD THE CAR, with only that gas as a source of energy generation, has all the same failings of hooking up a motor to a generator, and expecting that setup to spin into eternity. Energy production is generally immobile, and is used to create energy storage. Giant windmills, for a variety of drag related reasons, dont work well on cars... Hydrocarbons however, are very energy dense, and make for an excellent energy storage solution. This is why this plant uses an immobile windmill to generate the electricity required to produce fuel for the car. Its a great way to power a mobile vehicle, for at least a limited time. Once that time runs out however, sorry buddy, but it has to refuel somewhere. The only reason windmills are considered renewable, is because it is stealing energy present in the environment. Even that energy source doesnt violate conservation of energy however, as those winds were whipped up by the sun heating the earths atmosphere... And the sun itself is essentially a fusion power plant with a limited supply of hydrogen... We just call it "renewable" and "infinite" because the suns supply of useful hydrogen wont run out for 4 billion... Which is far longer than we really need to worry about it. About the only way to get a "perpetually driving car" is to consider the idea of a solar car, since that would truly be a car that can efficiently steal renewable energy from the environment around it... And sadly, those typically burn through energy faster than they can regenerate, which means they typically can only move in short spurts before sitting and soaking up sunlight. The first PRACTICAL daily driver car that can maybe accomplish this is the upcoming Apterra, which uses a ton of solar panels, and an extremely lightweight, low friction, low drag design, to make sure it only sips electricity when driving. The result is you might actually commute less than the energy it generstes onboard for once. It can generate up to 30-40 miles of charge per day depending on how sunny it is where you live, and most Americans drive less than that for their commute. And, its ok to take longer trips in it once in a while because the big battery option has 1,000 miles of range on a single charge... So you could concievably drive 500 miles, then recharge back up to 1,000 miles with onboard charging if you didnt drive more than like 20 miles a day the next several months. ... But again, that car relies on stealing energy present in the environment... It's not reliant on some physics breaking circular energy loop... Dont even try to argue with me on systems like that, I am so f@cking done with trying to explain this to dense laymen who refuse to give up the idea that its SOMEHOW possible if you just keep adding more energy wasting energy conversion steps to the loop, to mentally separate your energy generation and energy storage methods. It boils down to a loop, and loops just dont work, PERIOD. By the way, thats the point of the joke in Idiocracy... Because a society of idiots is required to even try to run a car off of its own exhaust (no matter what fuel conversion technology you throw at it). LITERALY, listen to yourself, youre ACTUALLY taking INSPIRATION from the ACTUAL MORONS, depicted in the movie LITERALLY CALLED "Idiocracy"... Do you actually hear yourselves? It's as bad as watching idiocracy, and walking away from it thinking putting gatorade on crops is a good idea... Do you REALLY want to be one of the actual 70 IQ morons the movie is satirizing? Do you REALLY want to make that movie a documentary? The REASON the writers designed those cars that way, is because it should be self evidently st@pid... Not a good idea to take inspiration from. Jesus christ, I cant believe I have to even say all this.
Not sure what you call e-fuel, Based on the e-fuel Alliance definition " a class of synthetic fuels manufactured using captured carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide, together with hydrogen obtained from sustainable electricity sources such as wind, solar and nuclear power." the one in the video is is exactly that
Seems like a good idea for storing excess energy as well... Usually with renewables you have times where production greatly exceeds demand (e.g. windy in the middle of the night)
Technically an interesting thought that the issue is that the energiedensity is quite low so you would loose a damn lot of energie using these as energie storage.
In theory yes, in practice no. The energy conversion from electricity to eFuel and back is at maybe 20% or something. The rest is just wasted. Even hydrogen is better and way easier. You also have to consider that efuels still emit co2 when burning. So as long as you dont capture the carbon where you emit it, it doesnt really help a lot
Better have 20% stored then to shut down wind/solar parks and sell energy for minus prices because you need to get rid of it like we here in Germany sometimes have to do.@@holycaketree
Amazing video guys! So nice to see you visiting the country where I come from. I feel happy when other people visit my country. By the way, nice to have a hope in the future in order to keep all those internal combustion engines that we enjoy so much. I’m glad seeing all of you having fun doing what you like. Cheers!
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
can yall do a video going into everything that goes into filming a donut video? I really want to hear the technical nitty gritty from the camera team, who always seem to be crushing it, and the editors who bring it all together, animators and other aspects would be great to see behind the scenes too! Camera rigging, stage setting, audio crew, script writers, and so on.
2:23 Actually, that little triangle at the very end belongs to Argentina, it's a province called Tierra del Fuego (which translates to Fireland or Land of Fire 🤘🏻) ...great episode thou 💪🏻 Cheers from Argentina 🇦🇷 (Next time you go that far down hook me up and I'll invite you a real Asado Argentino 💪🏻) Also: Chile is such a beautiful country... Kudos on that research and innovation on synthetic fuel 👏👏👏
So glad you guys made this video. I’ve been following Porsche and this green fuel for a long time and wondered why no one was talking about it. A true green fuel unlike electric cars currently.this honestly is the real solution and where the government investments need to go.
They get the electricity for this process from renewable wind energy. With an electric car that electricity goes straight into your car, that makes it way way way more green by kilometres. Yes the batteries are the problem with electric cars, but just like this tech, it is also progressing and evolving (solid state, not needing precious metals etc) and won't be an issue forever.
@@cenciende9401 its probably never gonna happen, the grid cant take the strain of a 100% ev fleet and renewables just dont work. not to mention that we are rapidly running out of the silver and other rare elements needed for electronics
@@93corollausa94 obviously you didn’t understand how this technology works. It doesn’t rely on the grid at all or any metals or batteries. It’s a green energy source that has zero environmental impact. Please understand what you’re talking about before commenting
Great video and good explanation of how the efuel and its chemics work and its problems :) However, we got to stay realistic. (Before I get into it, just let me say that I myself love cars and I would love to be able to drive one without having a bad feeling.) Even if porsche (and/or other manufacturers) are able to make it work it is only a little solution to the problem. There are lots of different things besides traffic that are emitting greenhouse gases. Of course, heating (or cooling), planes, ships, construction machines and many more can be fueled by efuel if (and thats a very big if) they are successful. Yet there are things that cant be "refueled" and are for many people a too-important-to-renounce part of their lifes, such as meat or certain kinds of fashion. In those aspects we have to change our behaviour in order to limit ghg-emissions. But thats a discussion for another channel. Back to the cars. Lets assume, efuel is from tomorrow onwards in every aspect of our society the way to go and there are no more ghg-emissions. Even though there would no new co2 be emitted into the atmosphere, the amount of ghg in the atmosphere would not change, since all the co2 filtered out of it would be rereleased into it. Climatological processes such as the albedo-effect (rays bounce in certain ways) still go on and because of that glaciers would still melt, water still rises and plastic polution isnt even tackled. So all in all, not much would change. Furthermore, I think that in this reality (that I just created above with no more emissions etc) another effect would come into play called the rebound effect. The rebound effect is when people use alternative methods or products to have a clean conscience about something but then overuse it or overdo it and forget about all the other aspects in the background and thus wont make a chance or even make it worse (Example: bob buys a tesla because electricity is better for the environment but forgets about where the battery and all the components and the electricity come from and maybe even drives more than before). So that the autoindustry would emerge in a boom and there would be even more cars tham before. Additionally we run into an other crisis because where does the electricity used for such a gigantic amount of efuel come from? And what kind of water can be used for the electrolysis? If saltwater is okay thats good, but clean water is running short in future. Tl;dr: Earth is still fucked but with philosophy and science. Sorry to be a party crasher
To add something to this: Even IF the process to make this is 'neutral', to scale this up anywhere near necessary would be an insane amount of emission just from the construction of sites and machinery. Crude oil to refined pump gas is actually pretty efficient because it's done on a huge scale. This is yet another eco/tech scam and/or marketing stunt looking to cash in on ignorance. Not that it would make a difference anyway when only a small minority of the world's population is working to reduce emissions.
it's still gonna cost more than the electricity needed to make it, so on the day this is affordable it means that doing coast-to-coast on an EV costs 1 dollar
If this can keep internal combustion engines still running and we can viably make it in enough quantities to keep up to world demand, I'm all for this!
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U need Porsche factory in middle of end of the world.
Huh.
Weird
I'm in to keep internal combustion cars
This channel has fallen so far.
Not likely due to the inherent losses, thermodynamics 101, any transformation of energy incur losses. It makes little sense to turn electricity in to gas.
but all ground transportations (cars, trucks, trains) can be electrified through batteries or overhead-wires/rails/wireless beaming. This technology is perfect for airplanes and car enthusiasts, maybe ships too
The goal is not keep up the world demand the goal is to stop the impact of the industry on the nature and methanol is just toxic is just different type just look at the dragsters
The process of MTG produce a lot of toxic waste too
Hydrogen is the only viable way
40$ in such a small scale of production seems promising ngl.
Yeah! Just print a bunch of factories along the coast or wherever it is needed and we're good to go
@@arthur9511 How much electricity can you provide those factories? This isn't a solution, it's a problem. The energy infrastructure isn't able to sustain your idea, and when we upgrade the electricity net and production it becomes a net loss to convert that back into a hydrocarbon.
The only place this will take hold, most likely, is for racing. So we can keep our combustion engines there.. heck even today's F1 sound terrible compared to the 1989-1994 3.5l N/A engines.. that Ferrari V12 makes the best sounds ever produced by a combustion engine.
Preserving this should be our focus, instead of trying to 'fight windmills' like a Don Quixote
I'm sure they'll keep it affordable knowing Porsche....
@@MarvinWestmaas Meh, depends on what energy is used and how we get it. This is a good solution if we get clean energy and is money worth spending to research,
Better than sucking up all the oil we can get and fkn the environment as much as we can...
@@MarvinWestmaas We never fully implemented nuclear energy, it is still the future. We are constantly finding new ways to extract energy, if it still is radioactive, there is energy to be harnessed. Once we build more of them like we were supposed to, then we can stop pussyfooting around with solar and wind. Hydroelectric dams are the only "renewable" that has and will continue to handle the tests of time.
Step 1 - Build nuclear power plant
Step 2 - Build eFuel plant right next to it
Step 3 - Infinite, cheap eFuel
If i win the powerball i would make it happen. And i would sue the EPA for overreach, because cars running on my fuel wouldn't actually be polluting. They would have to change their wording.
I would also sue california for banning cars that run on my fuel
See the Kirk Sorenson, thorium videos.
Also, use natural gas to make ammonia (fertilizer), CO2 is a byproduct of that.
better idea, build an electric car, and put a breeder reactor in it, infinite electricity
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Very funny.
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South Africa made its own gasoline for decades from coal (Sasol).
This EV stuff is stupid.
I wish Porshe well, but the manufacturing of gasoline has already been mastered and proven by Sasol. Maybe Porsche wants to appease the global-warming tree-huggers with "carbon neutrality". That's stupid too.
I think for the co2 collector in a big city like NYC
This whole segment gives me hope for the future. Thank you guys so much for touching on this topic
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This is honestly amazing. I see a big future for this kind of fuels in F1 first. They want a eco-friendly sport, so this kind of fuels would be a good choice.
Wrc already uses Synthetic fuels. I'm skeptical, about E Fuels being viable in passenger cars. But I really have my hopes up, that we can keep watching loud race cars.
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
F1 is already using it!
Especially with it's high price tag and relatively low production volume
The sport itself wouldn't be eco friendly... The emissions are the exact same as if the car was running on normal gasoline. The only difference is how the gasoline is made...
This seems like Donuts first real car journalism (in the traditional since) episode. I'd love to see them delve more into this kind of content.
Unfortunately he said crude oil "it's made out of old dead dinosaurs" and that's incorrect it's old dead trees and plants. before we had organisms on the earth that evolved that were later able to decompose an eat that stuff, it just sat there, layers on layers of each other in the earths crust, over millions of years it wast transformed into what it is now via pressure and time. crude oil is concentrated sunlight energy over millions of years of decomposition, and not decomposed dinosaurs, but yes dinosaurs were around at the time.
Agreed...more of this and less of "Which celebrity has the coolest cars?" segments. That's how they started and it should be a return to their roots imo.
First in a long time, for sure.
Yea I don't usually watch Donuts videos because I think their stereotypical car "bros" but this one was good
If that's journalism, then it's bad journalism.
Porsche truly has a passion for engineering and cars
Yes and a passion for internal combustion engines, leave it to porsche to save our Gas guzlers
Also a true passion for profits.
Is it not obvious by now? Its fawking Porsche for goodness sake
@@MrKingkiller they still sell EVs though, everybody is. The only ICE cars left in the future will be priced high because companies know will pay for it
@@Bobspineable EVs are a joke there isnt even proper infrastructure for most power grids to handle charging them its not cheaper to charge them anymore more expensive now and charging times vary depending on how many cars are there so if its full youre charging rate will go up by hours
This might be really good in Norway in the summer as we have surplus energy from hydropower we could use to create fuel which then becomes a really good "battery" for the winter.
Nuclear is by far the most energy dense source of power and has a small footprint, it works 24/7/365/not weather dependant, it's zero emission and it's virtually inexhaustible.
@@thekinarboWind and solar are cheaper than nuclear, and the factory or at least hydrolyser can be stopped when there is lack of electricity.
In Finland this spring the cheapest electricity price was -0,04€/kWh, so user was paid. They are going to build much more wind power, so there will be nearly zero price times in future also. We already had to lower the nuclear power because of too much wind and hydropower.
Methanol can be used on fuel cell also. Better efficiency than in ICE. (SOFC = solid oxide fuel cell can use about any hydrocarbon or alcohol, carbon monoxide, hydrogen etc. )
Those factories should be close to cities, befause of they generate heat that can be used in the city. The local energy factory is building a very large heat energy storage. They heat the water in summer with heat pumps and waste heat for Winter.
Stupid that in Finland the Nuclear plants are in middle of nowhere. They dump the waste heat to the sea.
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It takes about 2,000 wind turbines to produce the same amount of electricity as 1 nuclear plant, and on a much smaller land footprint. Do you really want to see wind turbines dotted all over the landscape? The Kennedy family are huge climate change nuts yet they nixed plans to build a wind turbine farm near their mansion in Massachusetts. I don't blame them, wind turbines are an eye sore and they kill endangered birds of prey.
Chemical energy storage is great. The energy in fossil fuel has been a stored for scores of millions of years. Try storing electricity in a battery for that long.
@@jounisaari9471Wrong.
Zach Jobe is taking Donut back to Science Garage level content, and I'm all for it.
This is one of the first ones in a while that really appealed to me.
@@timbutler6447 what happened to Science Garage ,I really enjoyed it
Agreed, once they got past the kindergarten-geared perspective associated with this topic and likewise forced onto a populace that believes whatever 'authority' tells them.
Oil is not made from "dead dinosaurs". It's not even a so-called "fossil fuel". This myth is based on theory that has since been disproven over and over by actual scientists. Oil is abiotic and is produced by the earth, much like how your body produces blood; it will never run out. In fact, the supply is greater now more than ever but has been limited by governing and lobbying interests. Also, if "carbon" is the supposed problem then electric is far worse, as most electricity in the world is produced by coal. The debate is pollutants, not carbon dioxide. CO2 is actually ideal for the atmosphere... Photosynthesis.
With that said, I fully support alternative fuel sources and this video was pretty cool.
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the new bill nye
When you think about it, regular gas isn't much easier to obtain, is just cheaper because we have been doing it for so long we have basically mastered it. It's very possible that, if we invest enough money and efforts to make this whole water gas process more efficient and optimized, this stuff will be viable and pretty competitive with regular gas prices in the next 30-40 years. They're just starting, there's much research to be done and this is very promising. Amazing stuff!
Haliburton will never let that happen
Gasoline only requires a pump to extract, and then a refinement process.
Synthetic requires a bit more energy. But if it's from a renewable source, it doesn't matter as much
@@jonathansmith7306 But the renewable sources are rather energy sparse then dense, so a denser source of energy is required to keep up.
Honestly, a healthy dose of skepticism is in order with this technology. The pivot point for this to be viable is the carbon capture system. In this video, the carbon capture is theoretical, it’s $40 a gallon using carbon that I’m assuming was captured using traditional methods. The efficiency, or inefficiency, of their carbon capture could make it even more expensive. I suppose it could also make it cost efficient if it works, but it’s just not proven yet.
@@jonathansmith7306 Looks like you should do more research about the oil industry, there is much more than a pump required to extract crude oil.
It will be interesting to see the real energy required to do this type of synthetic fuel, I will bet is more but if you can get it from non-dispatchable renewable energy like wind or solar we can get much better efficiency from their generation. As someone mentioned here the key here is the technology for carbon capture.
the fact that they are already at "only" 40$ a gallon is honestly nothing but amazing. remember they get that stuff from air and water only. if they make these around the world, in more central areas like europe and the US, im sure production can be ramped up rapidly and prices can be cut by a ton to almost regular fuel if not less even.
GO PORSCHE!
Why drop prices. Conventional fuels are going to run out eventually. And once the governments at be of the world catch wind of this with enough push behind it, they will straight ban conventional fuels and this will be all that’s available at the pumps. So that Toyota Prius will be $400+ per fill up. Work from home indeed, because you can’t afford to make it to the office.
to be fair it’s $40/gallon pumped at the factory. with any sort of shipping it’d be a lot more unfortunately. Nonetheless a historic achievement, really hope this works. 😅 i need engines in my life
If they can make hydrocarbons for gasoline, they can make oil and gas too. Suddenly the whole economy could shift from relying on fossils to carbon neutral alternatives that are exactly the same, saving costs on new infrastructure. I think this could become cheaper than how we are living today if all goes well. But that's a big if.
lol $40/gallon from the factory is not even remotely amazing. The technology is cool, but nothing new. This has been around for decades and the reason we don't do it is because it's expensive. I don't even mean monetarily expensive which can be overcome, I mean it's expensive from an energy spent to energy gained stand point. The energy spent to make this fuel would be at least 10 times more efficient if it was simply sent to the grid and used to charge an electric vehicle. So Porsche has just proved to everyone something we already knew. Compared to green electric power, this technology is pointless. The only reason I can see it being of use is if in the far far future, we actually run out of crude oil and need to make some of this stuff for shits and grins to run some ancient ICE fossils from back in the day.
@@nick_1O8 On the plus side you can basically make the fuel anywhere so shipping distances can be shortened by making the fuel in different geographic areas. We don’t get to choose where oil is located in the ground so being able to choose where we make efuel is a positive vs normal petrol.
Love seeing my natal country, and city Punta Arenas being part of such an important step into efuels thanks to HIF, my dad works for Linde, the company which is delivering carbon to this factory. Lot of times he has travelled along the truck to make the delivery so I'm very proud. Love your videos Donut, very well edited to see the wonderfull landscapes this zone has.
Linde gas is a dutch company it used to be called hoekloos very very famous for its innovations in welding gasses and more
Chile will keep classic petrol cars alive, when they use your e-fuel. I thank your country greatly for keeping classic cars on the road in an era where EVs become commonplace. :)
Im from Chile and like Ive said in another video, is fun to see this stuff in YT channels like Donut Media instead on local tv channels. Ive saw you IG photos and Im glad to see you've enjoyed our country like the landscape and people. Hope you had a good time here and cant wait to see you again over here
Un abrazo del mejor pais de Chile, hermano!
PS: Also you piblished this video of your adventures in Chile in the same day Ive arrived to the US to start my own adventures
Repent to Jesus Christ “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”
1 John 4:4 NIV
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@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 stfu
I haven't been to Chile since 2000, to visit my grandfather, but I really enjoyed it. I especially enjoyed exploring the jungles. Unbelievably beautiful country. I hear the skiing is world class too, but I didn't get to ski while I was visiting.
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 no
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If we are from God are we Gods?
Jesus is from God and according to your belief he is one so according to the verse you are citing we are all just as Gods as Jesus.
I've been fascinated about this topic for a long time. Audi has had its own eco-oil programme that they abbandoned like 5 years ago for sake of electrification, since then I was dreaming of this concept of eco-oil whenever I had an dispute with my friends regarding electric cars. It seems that Porshe took over their work. I'm so excited to know that this programme is still alive. You have brighten my day. Thank you donut for spreading evangelion!
Aren't Porsche and Audi both part of Volkswagen AG?
@@MishraArtificer yes they are
Wait, spreading Evangelion??
. . Ok actually, I'm down for that as well haha. Let's just hope human instrumentality goes over a little better this time around?
Komm Süsser Tod
All of them are discreetly sabotaged by some people for reasons. Even this fuel could be a lot cheaper if it was methanol instead of synthetic gasoline (which would require changes in the engine to use) and used other sources of energy (such as solar heat) and chemical processes (such as avoiding the use of electricity or use organic waste as part of its raw materials).
$40 a gallon is expensive but I’m sure once everyone starts making this it’ll get cheaper
I'm sure it will be much more cheaper in the future. Especially since you can build these factories pretty much anywhere.
an artical i read said that it could be as cheap as 1.17€ once mass produced
@@samuelherbert3530I find that hard to believe, personally. Carbon capture and electrolysis are very energy intensive, as are the synthetic processes involved afterwards. These studies must be assuming that all the electricity is essentially free.
YES, they will be
You can make efuel at home. Water salt and electricity to rip the water molecules apart and burn the gasses
2:19 spoken like a true American
Donut is filling the TopGear gap that we have all been craving. Well done team, keep up the good work. The topics and video quality are just getting better and better. An old school TopGear-esque $10k car road trip challenge has to be in your future.
Way to go Donut!! for selling your souls to the WEF lie for dirty money. I see your shadow banning comments from those you don't agree with. You have lost all credibility with this video and have shown yourselves for what you really are, money shills. Hows it feel, can you feel the loss. Did you even notice when you crossed the line?
Here was my original post.
All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
Lookup Overdrive (name Driven before), they really are a TopGear clone (on a small UA-cam channel budget). Stupid modifications, buying 3 cars with a low budget, etc.
THAT would be soo awesome!!
CarTrek is awesome and thats exactly what they do!
Check out Roadkill. Cheap cars get thrashed on then bombed across the US.
Reminder: F1 is mandating 100% renewable fuel starting from 2026, so adoption of this fuel could be accelerated much more than we think.
@@TJ-W They run on E10 fuel
@@TJ-W F1 uses regular fuel with a 10% ethanol content. The same as all gas in the EU.
bio diesel hybrid F1 drivetrains coming soon?
If I'm not mistaken, Caterpillar has started using hydrogen engines in big construction vehicles over EV's. Reason being that EV's don't work well while under load and aren't able to handle extreme weather either
The thing is this fuel is this expensive because we haven't scaled up production. It can be made for pennies per gallon and it will be a waste product not a primary product. We need lftrs... use the waste heat from that to make carbon neutral gasoline and Diesel. And then in cases where batteries don't serve the purpose, we still have liquid fuels
This was a fun video to watch this morning. Fresh, good info, and when the boys are traveling, you can never go wrong
Not to mention this video will be the go to video for information on the efuel.
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4:48 You could filter the emissions from Biogasplants for the C02 / C0
This is actually insane. With it not being tied to ports or major refinery zones for raw crude to arrive. Theoretically they could have refineries anywhere, and more importantly near major cities. Which they can take in the massive amounts of CO^2 being produced in major cities but also cut down on the economic and environmental cost of transporting fuel to these cities. This is insane.
i think the best place to put these synthetic oil refineries is right up next to the original oil refineries and what co2 output the natural oil factory should directly go to that capture machine and they would produce both oils at the same time, they could use the same logistics to both fuels and reduce the shit out of their carbon outputs...
This could be historic.
Man, nothing hits better than a solo Zach Jobe video in the morning! This man puts out some of the absolute best donut content when he is in front of the camera. Keep up the great work jobey!
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He's been doing since he was over at ECS Tuning. Great job
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Synthetic gasoline!? I’m excited for this technology to progress.
Edit: these replies are proof people will argue with a fence post.
😂😂 even then you will still pay multiple times more than with comperable evs
@@KeVIn-pm7pu bruh evs dont have a chance at being the future and wont have a chance in the near future
@@KeVIn-pm7pu Not throwing shade but you know Cobalt mining is also a big problem to the environment, but noone really thinks about the Lithium batteries we use day to day, things like Phones, Airbags, Paint, Batteries all use cobalt illegally mined from the Congo.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu I think this might be the future. Gasoline car will be considered as like a “hobby” where people will only use it rarely to have fun. It’s great to have options tho. me personally I’m okay with driving an EV for daily commute and then having lots of fun on the weekend with an ICE
@@KeVIn-pm7pu not if we consider the cost of power is going up substantially. Where I am, my electrical bill went from $120 a month to $350 a month, and I don’t even have an electric car. Even if it were cheaper, the current battery technology we possess is…limited. Batteries, like pretty much everything, lose their life over time. When I was curious about a battery pack, I simply could not justify forking out $27,000 before shipping and labor to keep your car moving for another 6 years. Motors are cheaper, transmissions are cheaper. The technology just…works. It can help a much broader audience (specifically the first time car shoppers) to get a vehicle that doesn’t hurt the environment as we change the fuel that can run in a beaten up Civic or something along those lines.
If you search P1 fuels you will learn that the top tier WRC car run on the same (kind) of fuel. I have read an article from 2018 that their cost for the fuel is 30 to 40 cents per kwh, vs 6 cents for the normal common gasoline (1 liter of gasoline containing approximately 8.9 kwh). Now i can remember if this was € or $ but it is just for comparison now. They also claimed that if they scaled up production and taking production from the North sea to Northern Africa (Mediterranean sea) then this e fuel or synthetic gasoline could be produced at a cost of 10 cents per kwh. This is 66% more than gasoline and thus is very promising. It will depent on governments how much taxes they going to charge to make it compatible with the common gasoline.
At 40$ a gallon, this TOTALLY has a use right now. That shit's a drop in the bucket for motor sports teams, and they are CONSTANTLY being hounded for their emissions. If you mandate E-Fuel being the gas of choice for motorsport, not ONLY are you preserving the legacy in a carbon-neutral way, you're boosting the need to cheapen it by finding an existing market.
Formula 1 is supposed to run 100% on E-Fuels by 2026. Right move in my oppinion.
theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
depends on the octane and if it can be mixed with lead
@@koiyujo1543 gas is already $8.50 here....
It's $40 a gallon with C02 coming from less than green sources, no word on the price tag with actual C02 capture from the air.
Imagine this being your first donut video you come across.... So much quality content to go catch up on, I'm jealous
Sarcasm?
This was terrible and I suspect was a paid promotion
You're in for a great time...I recommend watching some 'Up To Speed' episodes first, after that I'm certain you'll become a subscriber! They're awesome over there at Donut Media!
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
@@reubenhandel210 Paid promotion? I'm being legit! Up to speed, all seasons of high and low, science garage with freaking Bert!! Hours of great stuff
@@ThePwak007 It kind of does seem like a paid ad. I would not be surprised
More stuff like this! This is the kind of thing Donut has the resources for that I don't, or can't justify.
All of you need to go back to school and learn basic carbon 101. What do plants use to make oxygen????? Yep you guessed it, carbon dioxide. And the more you make, the greener the planet gets. This whole "going green" is a massive scam. Do you know how much power it takes to make Hydrogen fuel??? I'll give you a hint, A LOT!!! So not only are they using a boat load of Electricity to make Hydrogen, their also using a boat load of Electricity to make that hydrogen into gas. And don't even get me started on the whole "oil came from dinosaurs" B.S. This has been proven false for many many years. It literally takes one search of "what do plants need to create Oxygen" and it is the very first thing that comes up. Wake up people, they are lying to you and this video is complete journalistic garbage. Do you know what happens when you pull all the Carbon Dioxide out of the air??? Yep you guessed it, plants die off. And what do YOU AND ALL LIVING CREATURES ON THIS EARTH need to live??? Yep you guessed it PLANTS!!! So less plants means less food and less people. THIS is the reason this scam is being pushed on us. They want less people.
They proved that it’s possible and therefore we should just let them continue cooking the planet without pricing externalities.
I hope you guys cover Toyota's Hydrogen engine. It's also internal combustion engine but instead of using gasoline it uses H2 gas as fuel. Its exhaust product is literally water vapour.
My favourite part about this whole project is that to promote it, they revived two AE86s and put two carbon neutral engines in them (BEV and H2). The best part about the AE86 H2 is that it used the exact same 4AGE engine but fed it H2 instead of gasoline.
honestly I would buy this hachiroku in a heartbeat if that was a real thing...
Hydrogen fuel cells and an electric motor are more efficient so idk what toyota is doing with a hydrogen engine
@@tonnynguyen390 it's an internal combustion engine. They're making it to keep the car culture alive.
Also, if what they say is true, you can use any internal combustion engines with H2 with the only changes are fuel line and fuel injection, like how they did with the AE86 H2.
So while H2 fuel cells and electric motors are more efficient, Toyota is reusing engines that are already exist.
@@hikkamorii me too. Sadly, it's just a concept car. :'(
Its exhaust product is NOT water vapour as air is mostly NITROGEN - nitrogen compound production (which produces smog and acid rain) is WORSE than any other type of combustion engine
(edit, gotta love the morons who cant read and dont know the air that you mix with the hydrogen to burn it is 70% nitrogen)
This is absolutely insane. I can't wait to see how well this technology goes for the future.
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
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It won't unless the profit is better than the oil $ now.
1 Country: BRAZIL ecoflex
@@JiggyGnorrus which is impossible due to thermodynamics, unless global governments want to hand out even more grants and subsidies than they already do for the fossil fuel industry... It's actually impressive how energy inefficient this entire process is.
It’s great to see that some tries to innovate instead of make things illegal or tax us to death.
They will do anyway
this will be the future people. They will find cheaper ways and perfect it in the future. Ev extraction is horrible and always falls on deaf ears.
Necessity breeds innovation. And this is certainly a necessity!
We've gotta do something, and things like this are fantastic but not proven. We need to make more green energy to make enough to get even close to being effective. In the meantime, we have to hedge our bets that we won't do those things fast enough. We can do both. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
@@dellefranz this climate cult rabbit hole is not necessity its BS for people unfamiliar with physics and chemistry
With proper R&D there is no way this isn't an affordable option in the near future. I'd like to try everything in my power to help this development.
It's called physics.
Running an inefficient ICE with an energy inefficient to produce fuel is a recipe for ~~oil company PR~~ something that will never be affordable.
As much as oil companies and car manufacturer wants thermodynamic is a thing that will screw them and the rest of us if we don't kill them first.
Fix carbon capture first
He’s no scientist so try and find if he’s full of bullshit
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He's a big gee-whiz man-child talking.
Thanks so much for a video on this - I've been super curious to see it actually in action and it looks extremely promising.
EV's have their place - but at least on the surface this seems like this makes more sense.
If you don't consider the efficiency of it, it does.
At this moment it's a sixth to an eight the efficiency of just using the electricity to power a car.
This is super cool tech to keep classic cars around for occasional use.
EV’s are the way to solve the climate crisis and get air pollution out of cities - which claims many lives and is a burden on the health care system.
@@coleeto2 except for all the issues brought up by Evs. Mining batteries, making sure the electricity grid could support everyone driving Evs (which jt is no where near supporting), poor/rural areas that won't be able to utilize Evs effectively
Apart from the cost and the fact that we need it first for planes and ships and in super high quantities
@@coleeto2 I mean.. You could also just put more greeny stuff in cities.. especially on all those roofs etc. There is so much space for that. It wouldn't just help the bad air polution in cities, but also cities overheating, because concrete etc. are saving the heat of the sun. And I'm not talking only about trees.. even grass and smaller plants would be enough.
But ofc, only one thing isn't the problem solver for everything. A good mix of everything would help way more.
whoever edited this, great job, one of the most engaging edits on the channel
Agreed! Much love to the editors and the team behind the camera.
This kinda reminds me of a bill nye episode lol
that is so true !!
I am really happy that Porsche is putting this much effort, not only for making them more money ( by u know selling manual 911 and stuff ) , but maybe also...thinking about us
I am in awe that Zach got an oppurtunity to go to the factory in Chile itself where the new ( literally) liquid gold is made...
You guys are really big now...in just 5-6 years you guys from okay no. of subs to an insane level and get oppurtunities like this...Really proud!!
WAIT. This is modern alchemy. Turning water into gasoline.
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
@@jackpowell8155 You donut make any sense.
did he really say the ozone.. oh brother
This is honestly amazing.
I think this is a proof that we could have a future where all EV's Hydrogen and combustion engine cars co-exist.
They all have their applications, so no point in having just one
This isn't what you think it is. It's still gasoline, meaning it still releases fuck-tons of global warming causing carbon when burnt/used. This isn't a solution it's a shitty petro-chemical industry funded stopgap.
There's one problem with hydrogen-powered cars.
Remember the Hindenburg?
I hope you do, since hydrogen is explosive.
you can’t be serious
@@lkhdmrtn You know what is also explosive? Gasoline and lithium based batteries.
@@lkhdmrtn wait till you find out about gasoline
I’m more and more impressed by Donut. This is a worthy topic that needs a light shed on it. As a car enthusiast, I hope this fuel evolves one day into a common product. Particularly because I don’t have much enthusiasm for EVs.
There is a reason why Volkswagen, who owns Porsche & Lamborghini, is developing this, their legacy products. This will probably never be available at scale; if you have to ask about the price, you probably can not afford it. I am working on a related project, whose profitability is dependent on being able to sell the end product to those who own legacy enthusiast vehicles, but whose real goal is to clean up polluted water; the viability and profitability of the fuel is dependent on a market that does not care about price.
don't worry as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
Voikwagen doesn't need the green washing. Let's just say that the CO2 they are using isn't exactly created in the greenest manner, and efficient "direct capture" is still a ways off.
I think the best long term implication of this is, if anything, a fun toy to have to run internal combustion engines if/when we go mostly electric
then we can tell tesla drives it to shove it up their arse, cosidering their car production is just as bad and worse when it comes to co2 emissions
further proof Porsche is the goat
Didn't hear about the price?
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 cheaper than changing the entire motor industry with electric cars
If you have an infinite wallet yes
Ok boomer
not really because then we would have to keep normal gas cars because it is not putting off enough carbon dioxide. We would be fighting the trees for gas
Realistically cars should go electric, however this stuff can be great for rockets, planes, military, etc. They just need to keep at it for 30+ more years which really isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things.
This is an absolutely stunning video. The cuts. The transitions. The information. The colors. The sounds. So pleasing to watch and learn. Donut… you are the greatest UA-cam channel out there in the car world.
Collab with mark rober👀
Oil comes from algae. They are 50 % oil by weight. The Dino might is just a mith. We can breed oil LOL
It’s not that deep
$40 per gallon might sound crazy today, but in +20 years (which is how long it would take for this tech/production to go mainstream, if it ever does) it's not a lot at this rate.
don't worry it already has as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down and their already expanding that
It still emits carbon, especially in the City. When most cars will drive electric cities wont accept dirty gas guzzler anymore. Also the energy is far better invested in other things than efuels.
@@koiyujo1543 I simply don't believe that synthetic gas can be made for $5 per gallon. Do you have source?
@@romansenger2322 i drive a classic and am thus except from every form of emission regulations for some reason so i can still enter the city centre
@@koiyujo1543 5-7$ a gallon a lot tell that to people in cali hahaha
Donut is slowly turning into a modern more “YouTubie” top gear, and I’m here for it! Love what you do!
@@cowmath77 “slowly”
topgear fucking sucks. donut is so much better.
No it’s not. This is a Paid Ad with no scientific evidence
@@SrLyons not even close
@@shadowkillz9606 How so? They literally do the same concept as Top Gear just significantly cheaper.
$40 a gallon with the minimal production currently sounds promising. I imagine if it goes full scale, it would definitely be under $2
Think of the current price of ethanol vs gasoline.
Except that a study came to the conclusion that it will probably be somewhere around 12 dollars per gallon.
@@holycaketree pretty good if you wanna keep old classics running, you wouldn't do more than a couple thousand miles a year on those
I really hope this eFuel catches on and gets even more developed. A genius idea to say at least
“Green” hydrogen is too expensive for them to make. They will just use methane to get hydrogen, releasing huge amounts of carbon dioxide in the process. Because it’s way cheaper. Or instead of using 6 times the energy to get fuel, just switch to electric.
@@Dupont550 Only when it will become mandatory. Otherwise, NO WAY!
@@Dupont550 They won't. The moment we are able to switch to eFuel we probably have enough green energy and hydrogen to put into it. Ofcourse it will still be more expensive because of loses but in a carbon neutral future this stuff is great. There is many types of hobbies and entertainment which we "waste" money and energy for.
@@Dupont550 the DRC says please choose sth else
From an economic perspective, it‘s actually the dumpest idea possible. By the time efuels could get affordable enough, almost nobody will own an internal combustion engine car anymore
7:50 using solar and wind to manufacture fuel (added cost) and then introduce additives to prevent engine deposits (added cost), transport the fuel in tankers (added cost) to gas stations where workers sell you the fuel (added cost).
When solid state graphene batteries are the norm, is never going to be able to complete with just plugging your car into your garage overnight and charging for 13 cents per kw, or better yet installing your own solar panels and driving for free
Man, once the logistics get solved (same way the industry had to solve it when gasoline first became available), it will be a real game changer for the car industry. Make it happen guys!!
Yes, logistics... We're aiming to make green electricity our main source of energy and you think we can afford to pour 8 times more into creating these e-fuels instead of just getting that electricity directly into a battery? EVs are constantly improving at incredible rates. Once the only pro of an ICE is refuelling faster on long trips, who on his damn mind will still buy them? The only question here is if the west will get its act together and start really pushing towards the EV revolution or if we'll just all stay impassive waiting for the Chinese to utterly demolish our car industry... They'll pump EV's like chocolate bars, at affordable prices and in great quantities. Hell, even the Koreans are doing it right now even though they're not as cheap as one would want them.
@@AI-qd4vb The amount of pollution to get lithium, mixed with the fact a lot of places barely have the electrical system to support themselves normally, never mind when everybody is relying on charging their electric cars, (Ex. California), and the fact that we supposedly don’t have enough lithium to supply the whole world with electric cars is bad enough, never mind the fact that there are millions upon millions of ICE cars and trucks that won’t be off of the road anytime soon, and with car guys some may never be off the road, synthetic fuel seems like a better option if they can manufacture and sell it in higher quantities and faster
@@AI-qd4vb The fact that it’s much harder to work on electric vehicles and parts and batteries are insanely expensive also doesn’t help
@@firedemon2166 Thank God real people still exist and not AI generated NPC who think we can run the world on unicorn farts and a dream. People have no idea how dependent we are on fossil fuels. Like everything and I mean everything we touch is derived from "dead dino's". Even the goddamn EV's a primarily made of plastics and where the hell do people think plastic comes from? A tree? The plastic tree?!
The wealthy can bare go carbon net zero, yet they think it's feasible for the rest of the world?!? LOL.
@@AI-qd4vb another huge issue with EVs is battery life, lithium batteries are only good for about 10 or so years before they can't hold a charge anymore and need replaced. Meanwhile ICEs with proper maintenance can last for decades. My project car is 42 years old, and when I bought it it had been sitting for 5 years. Put a little gas in and she started right up
Correction: carbon doesn't destroy the Ozone layer.. Donut mixed things up here. Increased levels of Carbon (CO2) the atmosphere accelerates the green house effect - thats why people are saying that burning oil is bad - NOT because it destroys the Ozone layer. Thats a whole different independent topic and has nothing to do with cars.
I enjoy companies looking into alternative solutions rather than diving fully into EVs and ignoring all the drawbacks and limitations.
Despide you never being able to drive on sythetic. Neither will the majority. This will be a toy for the rich.
@KeV In Until a cheaper, more efficient method in producing it gets finalized, of course.
Telephones were once toys for the rich as well, now even toddlers get access to them.
@@KeVIn-pm7pu if there is enough interest and effort put it, I’m sure the price would come down significantly. Maybe not $2/gal but with modern hybrids we could maybe get to a place that affordable for an everyday consumer
@@micahv9365 Precisely, whoever's dissing the idea of synthetic fuel is obviously close-minded
@@KeVIn-pm7pu thats how new technology are
It start as expensive af then it will become more and more cheaper
Im glad to see that Porsche is working hard for us to keep going!
Donut has become hard to watch without a lobotomy.
@@jackpowell8155 maybe it's hard to watch cause you had a lobotomy, clearly. Keep Yourself Safe.
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Vee Dubbz bro.
I'm surprised they gave you the budget to travel for this. I hope it keeps happening.
Porsche are eager to promote this idea. Every single person they can convince to buy ICEs and their expensive fuel is worth the spending in marketing money.
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
@@koiyujo1543 As someone who studies technology you will probaply also be aware that the 5 - 7$ per gallon mark is not reachable within this century. If it is even reachable at all, remember that even Porsche doesn't go that low with their lowest estimate.
By the time E-Fuels are a valid alternative for the everyday consumer every car on the road must be electric anyway if we want any chance at slowing or stopping climate change.
@@ddeedje4093 yes it is bruh
@@everythingpony So you are saying that the people that have the most incentive to make E-Fuel look good give an inflated lowest price?
I can only think that this will be for a specialty market in the future. The energy costs for the creation of this fuel don't justify the output that you can achieve with it, at least not with today's and the foreseeable future's technology. By the looks of it, you could use the same amount of energy and get a lot more hydrogen or just electricity than you'll ever get from the gas that you are producing so it's really not a great energy source on its own, but for those who want to maintain an IC engine, it will be something that they will really love.
Loved this video! This is actually technology the US Navy has been looking into for quite a while as well, except they'd be using the nuclear power plants on their aircraft carriers to generate the electricity and they want to use seawater and carbon capture to make jet fuel for the aircraft. Can't wait to see where else you guys go!
Yeah Navy got it right, they've already proven the technology at a price point of $6-8 USD a gallon and now are working to scale it up to commercial levels. The reason we don't hear about it is that the Navy is positioning it to replace having to escort tanker ships around not provide commercial fuel. Buuut we know what happens with military tech after the military gets done with it, like that's how the Internet started.
You could essentially make this small scale at the gas stations themselves in the future
Awesome! Never knew this was a thing until now. I know of a few places making ethanol (e85) fuel from Industrial Hemp crops. The plant soaks 30 lbs of co2 out of the air per acre during a season and then the plants harvested and turned into cellulosic ethanol, much the same as maze, wheat and barley crop ethanol which burns 3 times cleaner than petrol but also comes from a carbon negative source instead of being mined.
E85 is amazing, it has an octane rating of 105, however the 2 biggest problems with e85, is its low energy density, and it’s also hydrophilic.
Oil and natural gas do not come from fossilized dinosaurs! Thus, they are not fossil fuels. That's a myth. According to Wikipedia, the term “fossil fuel” was first used by German chemist Caspar Neumann in 1759.Apr 16, 2019
I can tell he doesn’t get out of the country often. Visiting other countries is always an ecstatic experience and Zach is loving it!
Who the hell travels internationally "often" lol... it's kind of an occasional thing, if not, never done by most people.
It's easy for Europeans to do since it's just a train ride over
@@fishkluch Cross the border for cheaper gas and booze every week
@@CadgerChristmasLightShow People who live in first world countries and are somewhat financially stable but aren't North American
It’s America, it’s expensive to travel outside of the state, in Europe where some countries are smaller than some us states it’s considered normal, but it’s the only place where that’s even a thought as a normal.
I'm guessing that they will put the air capture device in the middle of huge cities to fully makes it eco friendly. I'm very excited to see this innovation to go through. ICE for the win!
Well it would certainly make it more commercially viable to capture co2 and sell it
It might not be an economical or practical long-term solution, even for cities that can afford the upkeep.
@Andrew Duong how? Itd be most effective in areas with high CO2 pollution (in cities) and so itll be easier and cheaper to capture CO2 there and then shipped to plants. Or even have a plant near the city like Pasadena or Freeport in Texas.
It does not really matter. one gust of wind and the co2 is pread out. There's pretty much as much co2 in everywhere in the world. Placement of these facilities does not make a difference to their efficensy. Could even be counterproductive, if their filters should be changed more frequently due other particles.
@@andrewduong2740 As a society you save future money as well, as you pull co2 out of the air you will also inherently pull particles out as well, making the air quality better. Air quality better= lower healthcare costs, on a broad scale.
A quick correction: oil is not made out of dinosaurs. It's made out of plants.
People think it's dinosaur sludge because of the gas station that had a big dinosaur logo on it back in the 60s.
Came here to say this. Such an overwhelmingly accepted misconception that it has become part of our lexicon.
well... not solely plants. The accepted theory, is plankton and algae, so zooplankton as well.
Also, Zach talks about "hydrocarbons released into the atmosphere" - while showing CO2. And implies the problem with greenhouse gases is how they affect the ozone layer...
All told, this episode begins with some very dodgy "science".
It doesn't help that they were called fossil fuels which alot of people associate with dead dinos and not plankton.
@@majorchungus Good point!
Yep. Lots of dumb idiot leftist spouting Al Gore bs. Ice is banned because of communist legislation. The real scientist calling all the political bs.
- Dr. Steven Koonin (Obama administration, nothing wrong with climate)
- Dr. Willie Soon PhD Astrophysicist and Geoscience (The sun is responsible for changing climate, not co2)
- Dr. Freeman Dyson PhD Astrophysics and Mathematics
- Dr. Ivar Giaever PhD Physicist Nobel Laureate
- Dr. Fred Singer PhD Atmospheric Physicist
- Dr. Andrew Snelling PhD Geologist
- Dr. John Christy
- Dr. Hermann Harde PhD Physics
- Dr. Susan Crockford PhD in Zoology
Oil is infinite.
I hope this concept doesn't get thrown out the window or buried quietly by the higher ups or something. Because as much as I love EVs and believe that they are the future, I don't want ICEs to go away either. We all know that EVs simply don't have the "funness" of ICE cars.
practically you are so right, but the environment doesn't give a fck for what is "fun" if EVs could be made so charge time was very little, and cold weather didn't stall them, making them useless, then they would be a huge saving on the environment (people don't start a debate on how u are wrongly told that the production aso bla bla bla is way more polluting...i will put you down so bad you will be ashamed! ) more EVs yes, BUT not before the grid can handle it...!!
This is awesome, yeah its expensive rn but that's a simple enough process to make this viable by having more facilities, and it's like a co2, filter system
The problem is, there's a finite amount of water on this planet...... So, we go from that which is limited to that which is limitless to that which is limited but essential for human survival.
@@aaronthomas6155 I don’t think you comprehend how much water there is on earth
@@aaronthomas6155 we probably wouldn't be using fresh water, we don't really use the oceans for much currently
@@LBrisk01 I don't think you comprehend the long term environmental impact of this process at scale....
@@monsterbacon816 the ocean is only used for transportation of people and goods, as well as regulating the planter's climate..... Nothing really important for any species to survive on this planet.... Not like mankind has any real interest in surviving another millennium...
I'm cautious to take Porsche's word for how environmentally-friendly this synthetic gasoline is, so I'd love to see some independent testing done on that.
It's not any more environmentally friendly than normal gasoline, so testing it is pointless.
The difference is that it's produced with carbon captured from the air.
@@P4INKiller well not only does this process not use fossil fuels, this process ideally takes in the carbon from other emissions which overall lowers our footprint. It'd be an improvement if done right
It uses more energy than a battery electric drive train to do the same work and then continues to dump exhaust gas into our cities. It won’t be on sale for very long.
Well it takes the power out of big oil, and it's fully sustainable rather than crude oil which we WILL run out of eventually.
The problem is that it uses far more energy than traditional fuel. You would be way better off by using the electicity generated by rewneable energy sources and use it directly in homes.
Thank you Porsche for putting in the hard work! Looking forward to this!
Thank you Donut for going deep on this one.
The scenery when you were talking about the estimated volume they would have was beautiful. The snow topped mountains in the background had me glued.
I would love to see a dyno test both regular and that juicy gasoline compared.
It's the same octane as premium
@@eptdy Octane ratings are not indicators of the energy content of fuels.
Energy content is pretty much the same but it's way cleaner so you might still get some more out of it.. who knows
They did say it is chemically identical...
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 true.... Ethanol is 105 octane while having 30% less energy than gasoline per volume.
One of the best donut videos. Thank you for all the work you put into this!
9:12 local green fuel ships brown when distributed far away: I'm a big fan of wind-powered sail-boats for green-shipping and efuel tankers.. with modern weather maps and motorized sail-hoists could be great to de-carbonize shipping.
It's far more efficient to do this than makeing new electric cars, the emissions from making a new cars, is off set by using e fuel taken from the atmosphere and energy from renewabls to keep older vehicles running indefinitely.
Aw yeah keep this kind of content coming, Learning about these kinds of breakthroughs through your channel is the most entertaining way to consume this kind of content
It's a really neat extra option, especially for shipping. I wonder how easily this process can be ramped up or down? It would be excellent to see a plant like this use excess renewables overnight when the demand is low.
the issue is, as long as electricity production remains a for-profit venture, electrical companies won't ever build enough wind mills and solar arrays to make it a viable source of electricity for stuff as energy-intensive as synthetic fuel creation. Because as it stands, for synthetic fuel to be economically viable, they'd have to purchase electricity at negative prices, i.e. getting paid by their electricity provider to use it, and why would a company ever build excess infrastructure only to then pay other companies to consume their product?
I remember seeing a video of this a while ago. The biggest hurdle of this process is getting plants constructed and system implemented. The initial cost would be huge for the companies, and you know they would pass the cost off to consumers plus high profit margins.
Oil isn't dead dinosaurs. It's plant and other diatom matter.
Great to see how far Donut Media has come to be apart of something this important a fly halfway around the world to make us awesome content.😊😊
Love to see another video from you guys , I been following since the first money pit videos and now seeing you guys come to my own country 🇨🇱make me see you have come a long way.
Keep it up
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@@LucasCarmonaNugget hermano damos cualquier cringe con esa talla ya
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@@fcogalvi7814 si o no
The plant in Chile is an experiment. They probably chose a location that was good to make efuel wether it is close or not. If they can successfully scale up production at an O.K. cost then they can start construction of another plant maybe closer to the consumers. This is a great inovation since there is a lot of locations that could become independent and make their own fuel. A little pricy tho 😂
If they can use solar power too then the US has a lot of open desert they can use. Nevada, arizona, new mexico, texas, california.
@@comicrandomness3289 I'm honestly wondering why the didn't really utilize the desert in this way yet.
I mean I don't know how much they have already done and I'm also against plastering the entire desert full of solar panels but there is so much empty space that can easily hold hundreds if not thousands of square miles of solar panels without anyone even noticing lol
Jobe said they chose that location for the wind. When you look up where it's located it says they can have sustained winds up to 80mph in the summer. Their city has rope railings so when people get caught walking in it they have something to hold onto. Really great place for wind engery.
It wouldn’t be independent bc it would be a Porsche fuel plant
think about what defines the cost of this: the cost of the electricity they have to put in to make a gallon...
Sure you can plant solar panels, but if you make more money by selling electricity the owner isn't gonna pay a bunch of scientist to convert that into speed juice with a much lower revenue.
So if they need 8x electricity energy to make 1x new gasoline energy it's gonna cost at least 9x
Carbon from all fosil transport is only 15%, compare to 300% more deadly gases produced from CATLE STOCK
Thank you Porsche for saving the combustion engine
I'm glad at least someone is trying to make "green" gas, considering how dirty EVs actually are another option and potential future is always exciting to think about
Wow, as a fan of classic American muscle I never thought I'd say this, but thank you Porche! 🙏🙏 Pulling this off would probably be the biggest thing since the model T! Exciting stuff!
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as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
"...it is made out of dead dinosaurs..."
Really? Given that TItan has more hydrocarbons than Earth, are you saying that it previously had a thriving dinosaur ecology?
Im pretty sure this is a big part uf the future in cars, as production of the fuel goes up the cost will go down a lot. Some experts in germany say it will be cheaper than normal gas. This would be extremely good for the environment considering the low emissions linked to the product.
Also production could be based in contrys that have lots of solar power (like the sahara for example) and fuel could be transported via the ordinary ways while it would be extremely difficult to transport electricity that far.
Chile has the driest desert in the world too, lots of solar plants there.
Another terrifically well written and presented video guys. Thanks. BTW, the landscape of mountains, rivers, horses...GORGEOUS!
look at all the stuff u can save.......
for them to enjoy while everyone else slides into poverty
Awesome that you guys traveled to Punta Arenas to do this!! Hope you had a great time in Chile.
I will argue that the end of the World is Ushuaia in Argentina but I can give it to Punta since they are the last continental city (Ushuaia is in the Island below)
Thanks for the great images of Patagonia!!
The fact that you cut this beautiful rainbow shot at 10:17 out so quickly is utrageous
If you research this a little bit. You find that the Linde CO2 came from flue gas. Which comes from factories burning regular fuel. So how are we going to get as much synthetic gas as regular gas from burning regular gas to get our CO2 to make synthetic gas. So far without seeing the actual results of pulling CO2 from the air, this still does not seem viable. This was a great video but there's a lot more to it.
As the video stated, that is just temporary so they could continue the development process. Eventually CO2 would be scrubbed directly from the air.
@@alangil40 Right, it still hasn't been proven viable.
I'm pretty confident this is what the cars in Idiocracy were producing on board. They had a hose connected to the exhaust and it was redirected to a sort of generator. In theory, a micro synthesis chamber with a hydrogen extraction unit could be made portable to create on-demand fuel. Would be great to never need to fill up, except for water 😮
I was thinking about this while watching the video! I’d say we definitely have a long way to go before something like that is possible to produce on a large scale and be economical, but as technology continues to develop and more research and testing is done, I think this is something we could see in the future on a large scale! Hopefully we can get to a point where internal combustion vehicles and ev’s can exist together without having such harmful effects on the environment.
Where would you get all the electricity needed?
@@christiancze4526 The car will be running to produce CO2... so.... wanna take a crack at it now ? Haha
As a physics major... ChristiaNCZE is right.
Ya'll are describing a perpetual motion machine, and those violate conservation of energy.
You cannot get any useful work out of an energy loop, even with 100% efficiency. And thanks to the laws of thermo dynamics, few things in this universe are ever 100% efficient anyway.
Creating fuel from scratch by the chemical processes featured here COSTS energy to accomplish..m Then burning that fuel to accomplish work, that fuel CANNOT accomplish MORE work than was put into creating it. You literally cannot both drive the car, and produce enough electricity to convert the car's own exhaust back into fuel.
Something laymen always suck at is they tend to utterly fail to separate the concept of energy storage, and energy generation. These are two very different concepts. Generally, you cannot accomplish both on a vehicle in way that the production of energy storage can be used for its own energy generation.
People think enough degrees of separation between energy storage and energy generation magically makes energy loops and perpetual motion work... It doesnt... Producing gas from the car's exhaust, ON BOARD THE CAR, with only that gas as a source of energy generation, has all the same failings of hooking up a motor to a generator, and expecting that setup to spin into eternity.
Energy production is generally immobile, and is used to create energy storage. Giant windmills, for a variety of drag related reasons, dont work well on cars... Hydrocarbons however, are very energy dense, and make for an excellent energy storage solution. This is why this plant uses an immobile windmill to generate the electricity required to produce fuel for the car. Its a great way to power a mobile vehicle, for at least a limited time. Once that time runs out however, sorry buddy, but it has to refuel somewhere.
The only reason windmills are considered renewable, is because it is stealing energy present in the environment. Even that energy source doesnt violate conservation of energy however, as those winds were whipped up by the sun heating the earths atmosphere... And the sun itself is essentially a fusion power plant with a limited supply of hydrogen... We just call it "renewable" and "infinite" because the suns supply of useful hydrogen wont run out for 4 billion... Which is far longer than we really need to worry about it.
About the only way to get a "perpetually driving car" is to consider the idea of a solar car, since that would truly be a car that can efficiently steal renewable energy from the environment around it... And sadly, those typically burn through energy faster than they can regenerate, which means they typically can only move in short spurts before sitting and soaking up sunlight.
The first PRACTICAL daily driver car that can maybe accomplish this is the upcoming Apterra, which uses a ton of solar panels, and an extremely lightweight, low friction, low drag design, to make sure it only sips electricity when driving. The result is you might actually commute less than the energy it generstes onboard for once. It can generate up to 30-40 miles of charge per day depending on how sunny it is where you live, and most Americans drive less than that for their commute. And, its ok to take longer trips in it once in a while because the big battery option has 1,000 miles of range on a single charge... So you could concievably drive 500 miles, then recharge back up to 1,000 miles with onboard charging if you didnt drive more than like 20 miles a day the next several months.
... But again, that car relies on stealing energy present in the environment... It's not reliant on some physics breaking circular energy loop... Dont even try to argue with me on systems like that, I am so f@cking done with trying to explain this to dense laymen who refuse to give up the idea that its SOMEHOW possible if you just keep adding more energy wasting energy conversion steps to the loop, to mentally separate your energy generation and energy storage methods. It boils down to a loop, and loops just dont work, PERIOD.
By the way, thats the point of the joke in Idiocracy... Because a society of idiots is required to even try to run a car off of its own exhaust (no matter what fuel conversion technology you throw at it). LITERALY, listen to yourself, youre ACTUALLY taking INSPIRATION from the ACTUAL MORONS, depicted in the movie LITERALLY CALLED "Idiocracy"... Do you actually hear yourselves? It's as bad as watching idiocracy, and walking away from it thinking putting gatorade on crops is a good idea... Do you REALLY want to be one of the actual 70 IQ morons the movie is satirizing? Do you REALLY want to make that movie a documentary? The REASON the writers designed those cars that way, is because it should be self evidently st@pid... Not a good idea to take inspiration from.
Jesus christ, I cant believe I have to even say all this.
@@hatman4818 You didn't have to say all this but like a good narcissist you had to tell us that you are physics major.
Not an E-fuel, but E-produced fuel, which is still pretty cool.
Not sure what you call e-fuel,
Based on the e-fuel Alliance definition " a class of synthetic fuels manufactured using captured carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide, together with hydrogen obtained from sustainable electricity sources such as wind, solar and nuclear power." the one in the video is is exactly that
Just fyi, oil does not actually come from “old dead dinosaurs” 0:48 it’s actually just a common myth!
Thank you boyz for all your hard work! ❤
Seems like a good idea for storing excess energy as well... Usually with renewables you have times where production greatly exceeds demand (e.g. windy in the middle of the night)
Technically an interesting thought that the issue is that the energiedensity is quite low so you would loose a damn lot of energie using these as energie storage.
In theory yes, in practice no. The energy conversion from electricity to eFuel and back is at maybe 20% or something. The rest is just wasted. Even hydrogen is better and way easier.
You also have to consider that efuels still emit co2 when burning. So as long as you dont capture the carbon where you emit it, it doesnt really help a lot
Better have 20% stored then to shut down wind/solar parks and sell energy for minus prices because you need to get rid of it like we here in Germany sometimes have to do.@@holycaketree
Amazing video guys! So nice to see you visiting the country where I come from. I feel happy when other people visit my country. By the way, nice to have a hope in the future in order to keep all those internal combustion engines that we enjoy so much.
I’m glad seeing all of you having fun doing what you like.
Cheers!
as someone who studies technology that price will come down theirs already companies able to make synthetic fuels that could cost about 5-7$ per gallon while that's still a lot it's much better than having to use fossil fuels and over time as we make synthetic fuels and figure our better formulas for them will be able to bring that cost down
What a nice country you got there
somos el mejor pais de chile 🫰🤑
We still have hope 🙂🙂 thanks to these guys
can yall do a video going into everything that goes into filming a donut video? I really want to hear the technical nitty gritty from the camera team, who always seem to be crushing it, and the editors who bring it all together, animators and other aspects would be great to see behind the scenes too! Camera rigging, stage setting, audio crew, script writers, and so on.
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2:23 Actually, that little triangle at the very end belongs to Argentina, it's a province called Tierra del Fuego (which translates to Fireland or Land of Fire 🤘🏻) ...great episode thou 💪🏻
Cheers from Argentina 🇦🇷 (Next time you go that far down hook me up and I'll invite you a real Asado Argentino 💪🏻)
Also: Chile is such a beautiful country... Kudos on that research and innovation on synthetic fuel 👏👏👏
So glad you guys made this video. I’ve been following Porsche and this green fuel for a long time and wondered why no one was talking about it. A true green fuel unlike electric cars currently.this honestly is the real solution and where the government investments need to go.
They get the electricity for this process from renewable wind energy. With an electric car that electricity goes straight into your car, that makes it way way way more green by kilometres. Yes the batteries are the problem with electric cars, but just like this tech, it is also progressing and evolving (solid state, not needing precious metals etc) and won't be an issue forever.
@@cenciende9401 its probably never gonna happen, the grid cant take the strain of a 100% ev fleet and renewables just dont work. not to mention that we are rapidly running out of the silver and other rare elements needed for electronics
@@93corollausa94 obviously you didn’t understand how this technology works. It doesn’t rely on the grid at all or any metals or batteries. It’s a green energy source that has zero environmental impact. Please understand what you’re talking about before commenting
This is so awesome I hope we really do implement this technology world wide !
Great video and good explanation of how the efuel and its chemics work and its problems :)
However, we got to stay realistic. (Before I get into it, just let me say that I myself love cars and I would love to be able to drive one without having a bad feeling.) Even if porsche (and/or other manufacturers) are able to make it work it is only a little solution to the problem. There are lots of different things besides traffic that are emitting greenhouse gases. Of course, heating (or cooling), planes, ships, construction machines and many more can be fueled by efuel if (and thats a very big if) they are successful. Yet there are things that cant be "refueled" and are for many people a too-important-to-renounce part of their lifes, such as meat or certain kinds of fashion. In those aspects we have to change our behaviour in order to limit ghg-emissions. But thats a discussion for another channel.
Back to the cars. Lets assume, efuel is from tomorrow onwards in every aspect of our society the way to go and there are no more ghg-emissions. Even though there would no new co2 be emitted into the atmosphere, the amount of ghg in the atmosphere would not change, since all the co2 filtered out of it would be rereleased into it. Climatological processes such as the albedo-effect (rays bounce in certain ways) still go on and because of that glaciers would still melt, water still rises and plastic polution isnt even tackled. So all in all, not much would change.
Furthermore, I think that in this reality (that I just created above with no more emissions etc) another effect would come into play called the rebound effect. The rebound effect is when people use alternative methods or products to have a clean conscience about something but then overuse it or overdo it and forget about all the other aspects in the background and thus wont make a chance or even make it worse (Example: bob buys a tesla because electricity is better for the environment but forgets about where the battery and all the components and the electricity come from and maybe even drives more than before). So that the autoindustry would emerge in a boom and there would be even more cars tham before. Additionally we run into an other crisis because where does the electricity used for such a gigantic amount of efuel come from? And what kind of water can be used for the electrolysis? If saltwater is okay thats good, but clean water is running short in future.
Tl;dr: Earth is still fucked but with philosophy and science.
Sorry to be a party crasher
To add something to this: Even IF the process to make this is 'neutral', to scale this up anywhere near necessary would be an insane amount of emission just from the construction of sites and machinery. Crude oil to refined pump gas is actually pretty efficient because it's done on a huge scale. This is yet another eco/tech scam and/or marketing stunt looking to cash in on ignorance. Not that it would make a difference anyway when only a small minority of the world's population is working to reduce emissions.
If Porsche is able to sell this globally at an affordable price later down the line (most realist would be 2030 or later) then I'm all for this!
it's still gonna cost more than the electricity needed to make it, so on the day this is affordable it means that doing coast-to-coast on an EV costs 1 dollar
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not really e-fuel, more like ordinary gas but from a sustainable source.