“Sniping’s a good job mate. It’s challenging work, outdoors, I guarantee you’ll not go hungry, because at the end of the day as long as there’s two people left in the galaxy, someone is gonna want someone dead” - Vindicare Mundy
@@Shrrrgthat sure beats GW doubling the price of the Aegis Defense Line with their last price increase. Oddly enough, the Lord Solar could give ours OC 1 so it can hold an objective if it's close enough.
In defense of Knights, I'd argue that the Knight Castellan works well as a "sniper" if you look at its battlefield role. It sits in the backlines, has one big anti-everything gun (volcano lance), and is overall a very sniper-y knight.
Favourite part about guard is they're not particularly good at anything, but because they have a tool for everything they always get a decent grade at least in these videos.
For the eldar part a B is fair for rangers on their own, but worth mentioning that you have take Illic nightspear with them - for only 70 points, they get wound rerolls, as well as lone op 12" for the whole unit - solves their main problem with wounding, and gives them even more nonsense in the stealth catagory
I always think Deathmarks are sneaky snipers as in they can teleport to anywhere, take a shot and relocate. That sounds like a trait every sniper would want.
Same! I also hate how every chaos unit is warp touched, lore wise nightlords and iron warriors frown on being warp touched and kill their brothers if they show symptoms
@@ishitrealbad3039 In HH Iron Warriors have a unique unit called the 'Iron Havocs' that are like a heavy weapons team, except they get precision on 6's. It's hilarious to snipe out enemy leaders using autocannons.
@@TheShyOnion Night Lords don't, I think people think that Talos is representative of the Legion as a whole which he very much isn't. Even in the books you see plenty of Night Lords that have thrown their lot in with the Chaos Gods.
But the Kommandos actually do have a "snipa boy." Tho Ork Snipa boys have only had a model since 2ed Killteam They're Orks that learned "More Dakka + Aimin = Bigga Splosions" and Spawn Camping.
@@Amberpawn I found that Yvraine + the Visarch in a blob of 12 troupes are actually a huge threat. And 5 troupes in a falcon lead by a troupe master are pure murder machines but yes. Totally agree, we need a detachment
So on the cultist sniper rifle, it’s actually the same as the IG sniper. If you look at the Krieg squad or the infantry squad, it’s the exact same profile. It’s the rattling squad, specifically, that has a 3+ BS
All I want is a grot sniper team. Just three to five Gretchin packing a looted sniper/arquebus rifle (all on one base) that hit on 3 and are just an vindicaire but have a really high hazardous roll and a good chance to knock themselves out with the recoil. I might only get one shot but taking out Girlyman or a Ctan with a Gretchin would be hysterical
Would argue typhus for death guard. One of the last remaining things that can target lone op outside 12”. It’s not a sniper rifle by any means, but he can “snipe” a lone character on a 2+
Its 100% Typhus and he's better at sniping than 90% of snipers in the game because he just does mortals. He auto-hits at 2+ and does D6 mortals (or D3 + 3 mortals on a 6). You have no idea how many lone ops, characters, and single monsters I've killed with his ability.
Craftworlds had a better answer than the Rangers, the named character that leads them. Illic Nightspear, 48 inch ranged, 2+ BS, S 6, AP -3, Damage 3, Precision and Dev wounds.
But what about their other named sniper? Surely Amallyn Shadowguide is on the tip of everyone's tongues, right? ...right? 75pts for the exact same weapon profile as a single ranger, but you get lone op! and.... an ability that recently got nerfed because of a rule change...
@@Rothana76 Legends and on a 32mm base. Nightspear is on a 25mm, and it would be really difficult to do a conversion without removing her slot piece and putting her on a tactical rock that would support her wide stance. Granted most LGS players probably dgaf. It's more detrimental to her to be on a wider base anyway. And yes, her legends datasheet is fucking terrible. Maybe if she cost like... 20pts? They couldn't even let her have a 2+ with heavy. Weapon profile is IDENTICAL to basic rangers. She has a nice little dagger that's better than some power swords for what little that means. Her ability used to let you redeploy one ranger or shroud runner unit *after* determining first turn, but they put out a blanket nerf on that for some reason instead of nerfing problem units individually.
Shove Illic in a Ranger squad and he takes their models up to an A grade probs - gives them all wound rerolls to alleviate their underwhelming STR 4 rifles
18:01 4+ actually matches the guard one as is for the cultist squad: that's the ballistic skill you get for guardsmen with snipers. Ratlings shoot a bit better than humans.
@EHilgy17 not just balancing around it but matching everyone else. Space Marines hit on 3s and get heavy on sniper rifles. Guard hit on 4s and get heavy on sniper rifles. It's very consistent.
I love the tau sniper drones, it's a shame the drones themselves don't count now because it was so funny having obama hiding in a building ordering drones strike on everyone 😂 😂😂
Yeah, you'd think that THE shooting faction in 40k would have an amazing sniper, and we actually used to when the drones were equipped with railguns. But sadly, T'au haven't had the best shooting in 40k for a few editions now, which is hilarious in a depressing kind of way.
Y'all skipping the a+ for Eldar makes me a bit sad. Illic Nightspear was right there, and you chose rangers. 48" range, 1 shot, 2+ ws, 6 s, -3 ap, 3 damage. Precision, devastating wounds, heavy. Abilities- has infiltrator and stealth. When leading a unit of rangers gives full re-rolls to the wound rolls. And gives their entire unit the benefit of lone operative.
Firesight Team has a ton of rule stacking potential. Being Guided by Stealthsuits with a Marker Drone on turn 3+ in a Kauyon detachment means it gets +1 to hit, +1 BS, Reroll to hit, Reroll to wound, ignored cover, and Sustained 2. Enhancements can also add Lethal Hits, and/or +1 to wound.
A bit of clarification here. In Kauyon, you can give it Sustained Hits 2 on turn 3+. You can give it a 3+ BS, if you guide it. This also allows it to reroll all hit rolls. If you guide it with a Stealth Suit unit(with a Marker Drone), it can reroll 1s to Wound and it ignores cover. If it stays stationary, it can get a +1 to Hit(Heavy keyword). If it all comes together, it is 3 attacks, hitting on a 2+, Sustained Hits2, Reroll hits, S5, reroll 1s to wound, AP-1, Ignores Cover, damage 2. The problem is the Opportunity Cost. You typically have other units you want to guide with your Stealth Suits before you guide a Firesight Team. Another problem is the low damage potential on the first 2 turns(no sustained to capitalize that reroll to hit on). By turn 3, it might have been taken out before it could deal substantial damage(something deep strikes close to it, or comes in as reinforcements, and shoot it or charge it). And of course, there is the damage profile itself. Even when you try to stack a bunch of effects on it, very often, you will only end up doing 2 points of damage. If you pick a different detachment than Kauyon, it is even worse.
@@fendelphi Firesight can also take exemplar of the Kauyon for Sustained hits 2 on turn 2, but that's even more cost when you can put it on a Coldstar leading your choice of crisis suits.
@@ellishurst8502 No you cant, because the Firesight Team is not a Leader and is not leading a unit. It is for all intends and purposes a single model. "Exemplar of the Kauyon: T’AU EMPIRE model only (excluding KROOT SHAPER models). While the bearer is leading a unit, the Patient Hunter Detachment rule applies to that unit from the second battle round onwards instead of the third." You are still correct about the fact that putting an Enhancement on a Firesight team just makes it more expensive for a marginal increase in performance(Precision of the Patient Hunter, for instance).
I like the Sydonian Skatros, as when you have the model in front of you it becomes increadably clear that this is what it would look like if Inspector Gadget became a hitman.
Honorable mention: Illic Nightspear can lead Eldar rangers, and he not only has a better gun, but gives them re-roll wounds and lone-op for the whole squad. Honorable mention #2: The Corsair Voidscarred can take a sniper, but he is basically just a single Ranger running with the squad because it’s a kill team. Honorable mention #3: Death Jester can take Fate’s messenger and guarentee a devastating wound or Sustained 3. You can also use Fate Dice to guarentee another devastating wound or sustained 3. If you have a Farseer Windrider Guide the Death Jester, then you can use a crappy fate dice and make it a 6 for the Death Jester to use. Lastly, the flavor on the DJ’s weapon activates my Timmy neurons. So, the gun is pretty much a regular Shuriken Cannon, which is an Eldar heavy machine gun. Except it fires shurikens which are shaped to make a lot of noice (hence Shrieker cannnon) and are coated in a virus that causes those hit by them to puff up and explode in a firey shower of gore.
@@SarajevoKyoto Right they gave us only one stik in the game that we get constant grief for and now we aren't even that strong in it anymore, like I'm not asking for op lvls again but at least to be in the top 3 cause its literally all we have. Also if Tau are so superior in long range vision and tech you'd think we would have at least one god tier sniper troop or character.
Nice touch only showing the stilts for the adeptus mechanicus guy. 😂 Votann handing in their assignment at one minute to midnight, can't even buy the models yet (outside the killteam box).
CSM also has the Mater of Possession, who does a much better job. If the Grey Knights librarian counts, MoP definitely does! It has an 18 inch range, but all the other stats are good for sniping characters. And unlike traitor guard, MoPs actually regularly kill characters.
I would absolutely have gone for the Shokkjump Dragsta. 3+ BS, Devastating Wounds, it teleports, and it has a smaller footprint than 20+1 boyz. The fact that it's a smoke belching, engine revving, tire-squealing vehicle just makes it more satisfyingly orky to me. It's probably still quieter than that mob of boyz...
Important note on death jester. Fate's messenger gives a free 6 once per turn. You can use a fate dice to give him a second 6. So in precision thats a near garunteed 4mw to a character. Thats messed up.
I would have nominated Despoilers for Chaos Knights. Snipers have a bullet with your name on it. Grenades are addressed "To whom it May Concern." An average of 28x S10 AP-1 D3 Blast shots is signed "Dear Grid Coordinates..."
Kinda suprised you didn't pick Larkin for the guard. I know he's part of a unit but still: 36'' range, BS 2, heavy, precision, str 5, AP-2, 4 dmg with stealth, lone op and infiltrators.
Yeah he woul've scored A LOT better. The main issues were low strength and not enough stealth when Illic Nightspear solves all of that. Easy A+ for Nightspear, even without a squad to lead.
Death guard have Typhus that is still able to use his eater plague ability on lone ops as long as he gets within 18" of them. Its not a shooting attack so hes able to pick anyone he can see within 18"
I have every Tuesday off. Absolutely love watching an episode of Poorhammer while I tidy up the house even if I haven’t pulled the trigger on buying and painting an army yet
I see your problems with rangers and I raise ilic nightspear his rifle voidbringer is 1A BS 2+ S 6 AP -3 D 3 dev wounds heavy and precision also he give rangers the ability to reroll wounds if you wanted to throw him in with rangers
I like that there's a wide spectrum of soldiers with big, long, heavy rifles and then the Orks just have a rowdy mob of hooligans led by a half naked weirdo who will angrily shakes his stick at things, which has a chance to make them explode.
Shouldn't Illic Nightspear be the one for Aeldari? 48" 1A BS2+ S6 AP-3 D3 Dev Wounds, Heavy, Precision? Reroll Wounds and gives his unit lone operative.
World Eaters is that one student that has a special interest (melee), that you keep trying to accommodate when possible, because otherwise they refuse to do the assignment. "Yes World Eaters, you can include your ace, just be sure to also include some information about a ranged weapon, maybe speak about how they work together."
For Imperial Guard, I am interested in how you would rate the sniper from Gaunts Ghost "Larkins Long las." It's the same profile as the Ratling Snipers except it hits on 2+ and does 4 damage which, if it penetrates, is enough to kill a vast majority of leaders from other factions. Plus by being in Gaunts Ghost you can always be in the range of an enemy leader model on top of being a lone operative and stealth.
For Aeldari I think you're overlooking Illic Nightspear. Has a more powerful sniper rifle with Dev wounds, has all the stealthy abilities you could ask for. Can lead rangers to give them wound rerolls to help with their 4 strength. He ticks every box for an A.
What about Illic Nightspear for the Aeldari? He's got a much more threatening sniper than the rangers, has lone op, stealth and infiltrate, and has a strength 6, D3, -3 weapon with a 48 inch range.
Sanctus has some stats wrong. Sniper is Strength 7, Sanctus has a 5+ Invulnerable, and the Psychic Spoor ability makes him an excellent single-target-deletion-button.
I’d say for the aeldari rangers, most of their units are slightly under many other factions due to the fact they factor warlock/ farseer buffs and debuffs into account. Shooting against a doomed unit with guide on them would help them out a lot. But yes, comparing just stat lines and base abilities to other units, I feel it’s a great place you guys ranked them.
Don't the aeldari rangers have an epic hero to lead them that DOES let them get over the strength, giving them reroll wounds, and having a pretty good sniper on its own?
I think deathmarks are an underrated unit. Especially when you can have them in hypercrypt. Deepstriking in to kill a character, maybe score a secondary, then being picked back up to do it again is really useful
Back in the day I would have said Pathfinders with Rail Rifles for Tau.... They were scouts, looked like a beefed up rifle, they could target different targets from the rest of the unit.... back then precision wasn't really much of a thing. But I feel like the whole sniper interacting with markerlights is pretty thematic for a sniper... plus rails are quiet right?
Aeldari rangers get way better if you have Illic Night spear leading them. He gives reroll wounds and LONE OPERATIVE to the unit he is leading. He also has a distortion-weapon sniper rifle that is pretty cool. Unfortunately, I think he will be part of the current finecast purge when the 10th Aeldari codex will drop…
Very fun class. I do think the Helvren knights might be able to argue a D-, long range, big punch gun, and anti-fly 2+. Not character sniping, but lots of things have fly...
6:25 With the updated army rules the ballistic skill is improved by 1 AND given heavy. So depending on how you rule if the improvement of ballistic counts as modifying the hit roll, it could go down to 1+! even if not, a total BS of 2+ on the skatros almost constantly is pretty good.
The best part about the weirdboy is that if you have 20 boyz you can have another (warboss) character leading the unit. so if you attach ufthak blackhawk to that unit, you get 20 boyz, a weirdboy and ufthak blackhawk that can deepstrike in and go for the snipe.
What was pictured is the Vindy's old sheet. His new rifle is s8 and is pistol is s6, can pierce lone op, he lost the additional damage on crit hit, and shieldbreaker got reworked from once per game no saving throws to once per game +1 to wound and successful wounds crit (has dev wounds still) so it's just a reworded buff.
The idea of a 50-calibre hair clip (barrette, which is what Brad said, rather than Barrett, which places the emphasis on the first syllable) had me laughing so hard I had to rewind. Mission accomplished, lads!
"Rangers dont have ways of getting around their low strength." This is Illiac Nightspear erasure. Also you can theoretically make Rangers a ten man squad which while pushing the upper limits of size do make them a lot more threatening to anything down their sightline.
I would like to make an argument that, instead of the Weirdboy, the Ork sniper is instead the Shokkjump Dragsta. Yes, it's a car rather than a single guy, but the Kustom Shokk Rifle on it has a slightly better profile for a sniper (Precision, Dev wounds, Hazardous, 3+ BS, and Dd6+1). For sneakiness, you run it in a Kult of Speed, and can advance it every round to deep-strike around the board and snap off shots with it from 24" range every time. And for the cherry on top, the model actually has a big ole sniper rifle on the side of it, manned (orked?) by a gretchin wearing goggles. Still like... a B- at best, but I personally see it as the more platonically ideal "Ork Sniper".
I know I was slightly off last time, but I'm 100% right with this one! You can have up to 3 special weapons per Traitor Guard squad, but yeah only one Sniper rifle. It is also based on the Infantry squad sniper, NOT the Ratlings! If you compare it to a unit like Death Korps, it'll be the exact same.
I would like to mention illic nightspear for eldar cause even though he’s not in production he is not legends for only 70pts you can attach him to a ranger squad to give (basically) lone op and full rerolls. As well as as his gun voidbringer with 48” 1 2+ 6 -3 3 with heavy( auto hit if stationary) dev wounds and precision.
You can get re-rolls to wounds with the Aeldari rangers, you are meant to run them with Illic Nightspear(eldar sniper leader), he also gives the squad more sneakyness with the Aeldari equivalent of Lone Operative. Justice for my Elven bois, they deserve at least an A-.
For CSM i just took some MKVI squads from HH gave 4 of them some 3D printed bolt snipers and just using the Havocs lascannon profiles the 5th model in the unit just gets whichever loadout you can give the sergeant. I ordered some other bits like power pack antennas and stealthy looking helmets. Just in case anyone needs an idea for a “sniper unit”
World Eaters Sniper does have the range. 6" move 6" auto advance and 12" charge. Meeting the 24" requirement
Don't forget the additional 2" blessing that means we're above the bar too.
@@DOALGruleslawyer how did I forget about that?!?
WORLD EATERS DEMAND REGRADING
You know there's another option, now hear me out the lord of skulls
Pick class
@@mcheif30it kills the target, along with anything else near it, lol
Would love to see every faction's melee blender
It's just Angron, oops all Angron
RIP tau
@Iaminyourwalls-fi4dm rampagers are actually quite good, carnivores are quite decent at chaff especially with shapers
Flagelants and Repentia go brrr.
@@Iaminyourwalls-fi4dm a block of 6 rampagers in the kroot detachment does some work
“Sniping’s a good job mate. It’s challenging work, outdoors, I guarantee you’ll not go hungry, because at the end of the day as long as there’s two people left in the galaxy, someone is gonna want someone dead” - Vindicare Mundy
"Headshoots heavy and destroyes demommans bottle"
*Vindicare
@@venomplays3034 english is hard
Now i need imperial agents minis painted as TF2 characters 😂 give the pro a heavy flamer 😂
Vindicare pointing rifle at the sky and spinning wildly
You should rank every faction fortification and they are ranked compared to how useless and bad they are
This was in the running for the topic actually, the Sniper was just too fun given the Vindicare being spoiled a day or two before recording.
Sisters win because when we had it it was impossible to place down on any table and then it got squatted
@@Shrrrgthat sure beats GW doubling the price of the Aegis Defense Line with their last price increase.
Oddly enough, the Lord Solar could give ours OC 1 so it can hold an objective if it's close enough.
Just use a ton of guardsmen as an inprov meetschekd and/or speedbump
Only if you're allowed to submit models with especially mountainous tactical rocks as your fortification.
In defense of Knights, I'd argue that the Knight Castellan works well as a "sniper" if you look at its battlefield role. It sits in the backlines, has one big anti-everything gun (volcano lance), and is overall a very sniper-y knight.
And in defense of Custodes, the Grav Tank's Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon fits a similar role!
More of a big fuck off artillery cannon and less of a sniper
@@mrziiz6893 But it DOES stand on two legs.
@@Bluecho4 it isn’t stealthy though, and how said artillery cannons can’t stand on two legs?? The Admech would take great offense to that!
And chaos knights have the desecrator, which has one giant long range death laser!
When you called the sniper choice topical, I was NOT thinking about the Vindicare Assassin stats.
Oh yeah... I totally forgot about that. The Olympics memes were fire!
@@thepoorhammerpodcastthe noise nearly blew my ears off
I feel like we've all moved on from that already (and are better for it). I didn't even think to make the connection.
I'm out of the loop
@@PapaBradfordYou see, some dumb young man had a rifle at a rally...
Favourite part about guard is they're not particularly good at anything, but because they have a tool for everything they always get a decent grade at least in these videos.
False. We were the standard for cannon folder.
@@vxicepickxv They also have the basic tank.
@@vxicepickxv "at least" obvs we stay winning on the throwing our soldiers into the meat grinder OOH RAH
And a REALLY good knight alternative
@@douglaswetak9686baneblade?
6:20 the tall boi not fitting into the frame killed me lol
Seriously. I love everything about tallboy. And I was calling it tallboy before I started poorhammer. Its the perfect name.
For the eldar part a B is fair for rangers on their own, but worth mentioning that you have take Illic nightspear with them - for only 70 points, they get wound rerolls, as well as lone op 12" for the whole unit - solves their main problem with wounding, and gives them even more nonsense in the stealth catagory
Only problem with that is Illic isn't in production anymore sooooo....
You're also leaving off his gun, which is 48" bs 2+ and heavy s6 ap3 3 damage dev wounds precision
@@sloth8598 Can't argue with that 😭😭
@@yeroctehh4xor he really turns the unit from a mild threat against character leaders to an absolute terror.
@@alexhughes2754 I wish he was. Know of any decent proxies?
I always think Deathmarks are sneaky snipers as in they can teleport to anywhere, take a shot and relocate. That sounds like a trait every sniper would want.
Been dying for a CSM sniper unit. At this point I'm just going to kitbash some Eliminators into Havocs.
Same! I also hate how every chaos unit is warp touched, lore wise nightlords and iron warriors frown on being warp touched and kill their brothers if they show symptoms
I'm hoping the CSM sniper is just Alpharius using a tank cannon
you have snipers tho, they're called havocs with autocannons (which is even better!)
@@ishitrealbad3039 In HH Iron Warriors have a unique unit called the 'Iron Havocs' that are like a heavy weapons team, except they get precision on 6's. It's hilarious to snipe out enemy leaders using autocannons.
@@TheShyOnion Night Lords don't, I think people think that Talos is representative of the Legion as a whole which he very much isn't. Even in the books you see plenty of Night Lords that have thrown their lot in with the Chaos Gods.
I half expected a green Vindicare with an Ork Mask for Orks
(Celestial lions got decimated by "Ork snipers")
But the Kommandos actually do have a "snipa boy."
Tho Ork Snipa boys have only had a model since 2ed Killteam
They're Orks that learned "More Dakka + Aimin = Bigga Splosions" and Spawn Camping.
22:33 - MoE with the -6AP sniper pistol. Wraith knights don't even get a save
"it's not even a special bolt pistol, it's just a bolt pistol [...] it is the same bolt pistol that are on the berserkers"
How tf are people getting 6AP on a bolt pistol?? Or am I just missing a joke?
@@grayw00f A joke from the editor, it's just a regular bolt pistol. It can't possibly have AP *6* .
I absolutely love the Death jester. Him and the solitaire are one of the few things allowing my Harlequin-only army to perform
We need more of our special abilities back... They're spread too thin and we can't stack heroes.
@@Amberpawn I found that Yvraine + the Visarch in a blob of 12 troupes are actually a huge threat. And 5 troupes in a falcon lead by a troupe master are pure murder machines but yes. Totally agree, we need a detachment
So on the cultist sniper rifle, it’s actually the same as the IG sniper. If you look at the Krieg squad or the infantry squad, it’s the exact same profile. It’s the rattling squad, specifically, that has a 3+ BS
Halflings(even in space) are known to have good accuracy.
@fendelphi You mean legally distinct hobbits
All I want is a grot sniper team. Just three to five Gretchin packing a looted sniper/arquebus rifle (all on one base) that hit on 3 and are just an vindicaire but have a really high hazardous roll and a good chance to knock themselves out with the recoil. I might only get one shot but taking out Girlyman or a Ctan with a Gretchin would be hysterical
A cool idea could be every factions swarm (like rippers, scarabs etc), easy for nurgle necrons and Tyranids but tricky for others
imp guard - A+
Admech would also get an easy A
@@pandoragoldspan7012actually imperial guard doesn't have anything to fit the role.
@@ashtonhoward5582 What would they submit?
Somehow space marines would receive an A
"Rangers have no way to get around low strength like re-roll wounds like other units"
Illic Nightspear cries himself to sleep in a corner.
Ik I wish they at least mentioned him
It's almost as if these guys don't like Eldar.
@@Jazehiah Who does?
@@dawidkazmierczak7283 I do. They are my first army. Aeldari are cool.
Would argue typhus for death guard. One of the last remaining things that can target lone op outside 12”. It’s not a sniper rifle by any means, but he can “snipe” a lone character on a 2+
Its 100% Typhus and he's better at sniping than 90% of snipers in the game because he just does mortals. He auto-hits at 2+ and does D6 mortals (or D3 + 3 mortals on a 6). You have no idea how many lone ops, characters, and single monsters I've killed with his ability.
Craftworlds had a better answer than the Rangers, the named character that leads them. Illic Nightspear, 48 inch ranged, 2+ BS, S 6, AP -3, Damage 3, Precision and Dev wounds.
But what about their other named sniper? Surely Amallyn Shadowguide is on the tip of everyone's tongues, right? ...right?
75pts for the exact same weapon profile as a single ranger, but you get lone op! and.... an ability that recently got nerfed because of a rule change...
@@Rehteal Amallyn has a datasheet? I was actually planning on getting her model to proxy Nightspear.😅
@@Rothana76 Legends and on a 32mm base. Nightspear is on a 25mm, and it would be really difficult to do a conversion without removing her slot piece and putting her on a tactical rock that would support her wide stance. Granted most LGS players probably dgaf. It's more detrimental to her to be on a wider base anyway.
And yes, her legends datasheet is fucking terrible. Maybe if she cost like... 20pts? They couldn't even let her have a 2+ with heavy. Weapon profile is IDENTICAL to basic rangers. She has a nice little dagger that's better than some power swords for what little that means.
Her ability used to let you redeploy one ranger or shroud runner unit *after* determining first turn, but they put out a blanket nerf on that for some reason instead of nerfing problem units individually.
Shove Illic in a Ranger squad and he takes their models up to an A grade probs - gives them all wound rerolls to alleviate their underwhelming STR 4 rifles
18:01 4+ actually matches the guard one as is for the cultist squad: that's the ballistic skill you get for guardsmen with snipers. Ratlings shoot a bit better than humans.
Yeah, it's why we basically only see them as snipers.
@MrShukaku1991 that and basically having the rest of the rifles squatted. There's the Kasrkin 1 of, and Platoon Command Squad 1 of.
^This.
And those guardsmen can still hit on 2+ with take aim and heavy, so they were probably balancing around that.
@EHilgy17 not just balancing around it but matching everyone else. Space Marines hit on 3s and get heavy on sniper rifles. Guard hit on 4s and get heavy on sniper rifles. It's very consistent.
The moment I read the title, the tau player in me thought "...shit"
I love the tau sniper drones, it's a shame the drones themselves don't count now because it was so funny having obama hiding in a building ordering drones strike on everyone 😂 😂😂
Yeah, you'd think that THE shooting faction in 40k would have an amazing sniper, and we actually used to when the drones were equipped with railguns.
But sadly, T'au haven't had the best shooting in 40k for a few editions now, which is hilarious in a depressing kind of way.
We have the one dedicated sniper team, and they got rid of it from the store T_T
Y'all skipping the a+ for Eldar makes me a bit sad. Illic Nightspear was right there, and you chose rangers.
48" range, 1 shot, 2+ ws, 6 s, -3 ap, 3 damage.
Precision, devastating wounds, heavy.
Abilities- has infiltrator and stealth. When leading a unit of rangers gives full re-rolls to the wound rolls. And gives their entire unit the benefit of lone operative.
Lmao yeah i was thinking "easy A+ for the Eldar for this video" only for them to not even mention Nightspear lol 😭
Love these episodes, my personal favourite series
This series is a blast to make. I want to do a report card episode at some point to check the scores of each faction, maybe around Christmas time.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast glad to hear they are fun to make too! I'd think that'd be a good episode tbf
@@thepoorhammerpodcast I am really interested how many times chaos knight passed class, and how many times harlequin did show up
Firesight Team has a ton of rule stacking potential.
Being Guided by Stealthsuits with a Marker Drone on turn 3+ in a Kauyon detachment means it gets +1 to hit, +1 BS, Reroll to hit, Reroll to wound, ignored cover, and Sustained 2.
Enhancements can also add Lethal Hits, and/or +1 to wound.
A bit of clarification here.
In Kauyon, you can give it Sustained Hits 2 on turn 3+.
You can give it a 3+ BS, if you guide it. This also allows it to reroll all hit rolls. If you guide it with a Stealth Suit unit(with a Marker Drone), it can reroll 1s to Wound and it ignores cover.
If it stays stationary, it can get a +1 to Hit(Heavy keyword).
If it all comes together, it is 3 attacks, hitting on a 2+, Sustained Hits2, Reroll hits, S5, reroll 1s to wound, AP-1, Ignores Cover, damage 2.
The problem is the Opportunity Cost. You typically have other units you want to guide with your Stealth Suits before you guide a Firesight Team.
Another problem is the low damage potential on the first 2 turns(no sustained to capitalize that reroll to hit on). By turn 3, it might have been taken out before it could deal substantial damage(something deep strikes close to it, or comes in as reinforcements, and shoot it or charge it).
And of course, there is the damage profile itself. Even when you try to stack a bunch of effects on it, very often, you will only end up doing 2 points of damage.
If you pick a different detachment than Kauyon, it is even worse.
@@fendelphi Firesight can also take exemplar of the Kauyon for Sustained hits 2 on turn 2, but that's even more cost when you can put it on a Coldstar leading your choice of crisis suits.
@@ellishurst8502 No you cant, because the Firesight Team is not a Leader and is not leading a unit. It is for all intends and purposes a single model.
"Exemplar of the Kauyon: T’AU EMPIRE model only (excluding KROOT SHAPER models). While the bearer is leading a unit, the Patient Hunter Detachment rule applies to that unit from the second battle round onwards instead of the third."
You are still correct about the fact that putting an Enhancement on a Firesight team just makes it more expensive for a marginal increase in performance(Precision of the Patient Hunter, for instance).
I like the Sydonian Skatros, as when you have the model in front of you it becomes increadably clear that this is what it would look like if Inspector Gadget became a hitman.
Honorable mention: Illic Nightspear can lead Eldar rangers, and he not only has a better gun, but gives them re-roll wounds and lone-op for the whole squad.
Honorable mention #2: The Corsair Voidscarred can take a sniper, but he is basically just a single Ranger running with the squad because it’s a kill team.
Honorable mention #3: Death Jester can take Fate’s messenger and guarentee a devastating wound or Sustained 3. You can also use Fate Dice to guarentee another devastating wound or sustained 3. If you have a Farseer Windrider Guide the Death Jester, then you can use a crappy fate dice and make it a 6 for the Death Jester to use.
Lastly, the flavor on the DJ’s weapon activates my Timmy neurons. So, the gun is pretty much a regular Shuriken Cannon, which is an Eldar heavy machine gun. Except it fires shurikens which are shaped to make a lot of noice (hence Shrieker cannnon) and are coated in a virus that causes those hit by them to puff up and explode in a firey shower of gore.
As the Celestial Lions can tell you, the Ork Sniper should have been able to submit the Vindicare Assassin again.
If GW wants Tau to be the shooting army then they should have the best sniper.
they do. its the lone spear. but they didn't pick it for the entry because??? for the lolz?
@@mhicks31 When else are you gonna include the Firesight realistically?
@@yichlyichl4204 I mean, I have a list that includes 3 of them. lol. but their primary role is as lone op observers. not snipers.
Sadly, T'au haven't been the shooting army in a few editions now. They get outshot by Necrons, Marines, Aeldari, formerly Votann, and arguably Guard.
@@SarajevoKyoto Right they gave us only one stik in the game that we get constant grief for and now we aren't even that strong in it anymore, like I'm not asking for op lvls again but at least to be in the top 3 cause its literally all we have.
Also if Tau are so superior in long range vision and tech you'd think we would have at least one god tier sniper troop or character.
Nice touch only showing the stilts for the adeptus mechanicus guy. 😂 Votann handing in their assignment at one minute to midnight, can't even buy the models yet (outside the killteam box).
The box still hasn't sold out yet.
Surprisingly.
I feel like CSM should just be a havoc squad with autocannon or something
even just a Master of Possession
CSM also has the Mater of Possession, who does a much better job. If the Grey Knights librarian counts, MoP definitely does! It has an 18 inch range, but all the other stats are good for sniping characters. And unlike traitor guard, MoPs actually regularly kill characters.
I would absolutely have gone for the Shokkjump Dragsta. 3+ BS, Devastating Wounds, it teleports, and it has a smaller footprint than 20+1 boyz. The fact that it's a smoke belching, engine revving, tire-squealing vehicle just makes it more satisfyingly orky to me.
It's probably still quieter than that mob of boyz...
I wish the guard's sniper submission had been the Shadowsword
Rather deathstrike from lore perspective.
Illic could lead the aeldari ranger unit and give them re-roll to wounds, jacks up the price but he does have a cool sniper of his own ! :D
Orks could’ve also submitted the shockjump dragsta. 24 inch range, precision, D6 plus 1 damage, devastating wounds, 3+ ballistic skill.
Important note on death jester. Fate's messenger gives a free 6 once per turn. You can use a fate dice to give him a second 6. So in precision thats a near garunteed 4mw to a character. Thats messed up.
Love that tall boi is too tall for the screen at 6:43
Should've used Sagittarum Custodes for their section, least could have gotten some points for the ap, damage and once per battle dev wounds.
No precision. We just need a lone op eye of the emperor with a lascannon.
@AggressiveLemur hell just get a bigass custodian with some tank barrel he ripped off a rogal dorn or something
@@arandomsquidward7761effectively
I would have nominated Despoilers for Chaos Knights.
Snipers have a bullet with your name on it. Grenades are addressed "To whom it May Concern." An average of 28x S10 AP-1 D3 Blast shots is signed "Dear Grid Coordinates..."
Kinda suprised you didn't pick Larkin for the guard. I know he's part of a unit but still: 36'' range, BS 2, heavy, precision, str 5, AP-2, 4 dmg with stealth, lone op and infiltrators.
I mean when else are you going to whip out the friggin ratlings?
I really thought my boy was gonna get the spotlight on this one, and then the short ones ambushed us 😔
Surprised Illic Nightspear wasn't your Aeldari pick if the Vindicare Assassin is the golden standard. Also, Zoanthropes?
You guys could have gone with Illic Nightspear for Aeldari he would have scored quite a bit better
Yeah he woul've scored A LOT better. The main issues were low strength and not enough stealth when Illic Nightspear solves all of that. Easy A+ for Nightspear, even without a squad to lead.
deathgaurd has typhus 18:52 with the psyker ability he has a sniper ish thing
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The Grey Knights Librarian - "I snipe you with my mind!" (in the shooting phase because there is no psychic anymore).
Death guard have Typhus that is still able to use his eater plague ability on lone ops as long as he gets within 18" of them. Its not a shooting attack so hes able to pick anyone he can see within 18"
while the weirdboy was probably the better choice, i would have submitted the Shokk Attack Gun mek! love me SAG mek
If i had a nickel for every time Eric summited a psyker as a sniper I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
I have every Tuesday off. Absolutely love watching an episode of Poorhammer while I tidy up the house even if I haven’t pulled the trigger on buying and painting an army yet
The axe carried by the Master of Executions looks like the handle is bacon wrapped. 🥓
I see your problems with rangers and I raise ilic nightspear his rifle voidbringer is 1A BS 2+ S 6 AP -3 D 3 dev wounds heavy and precision also he give rangers the ability to reroll wounds if you wanted to throw him in with rangers
Sanctus actually got a buff with the codex, his ability improved and his sniper got highier strenght
I love this podcast not bc I play or have any idea about tabletop but bc there’s something soothing about hearing nerds talk about numbers
I like that there's a wide spectrum of soldiers with big, long, heavy rifles and then the Orks just have a rowdy mob of hooligans led by a half naked weirdo who will angrily shakes his stick at things, which has a chance to make them explode.
Shouldn't Illic Nightspear be the one for Aeldari? 48" 1A BS2+ S6 AP-3 D3 Dev Wounds, Heavy, Precision? Reroll Wounds and gives his unit lone operative.
World Eaters is that one student that has a special interest (melee), that you keep trying to accommodate when possible, because otherwise they refuse to do the assignment. "Yes World Eaters, you can include your ace, just be sure to also include some information about a ranged weapon, maybe speak about how they work together."
*axe
For Imperial Guard, I am interested in how you would rate the sniper from Gaunts Ghost "Larkins Long las." It's the same profile as the Ratling Snipers except it hits on 2+ and does 4 damage which, if it penetrates, is enough to kill a vast majority of leaders from other factions. Plus by being in Gaunts Ghost you can always be in the range of an enemy leader model on top of being a lone operative and stealth.
For Aeldari I think you're overlooking Illic Nightspear.
Has a more powerful sniper rifle with Dev wounds, has all the stealthy abilities you could ask for. Can lead rangers to give them wound rerolls to help with their 4 strength. He ticks every box for an A.
40:50 "Where's the rifle?" "It's under the sauce- I mean, drone."
What about Illic Nightspear for the Aeldari? He's got a much more threatening sniper than the rangers, has lone op, stealth and infiltrate, and has a strength 6, D3, -3 weapon with a 48 inch range.
Sanctus has some stats wrong. Sniper is Strength 7, Sanctus has a 5+ Invulnerable, and the Psychic Spoor ability makes him an excellent single-target-deletion-button.
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I’d say for the aeldari rangers, most of their units are slightly under many other factions due to the fact they factor warlock/ farseer buffs and debuffs into account. Shooting against a doomed unit with guide on them would help them out a lot.
But yes, comparing just stat lines and base abilities to other units, I feel it’s a great place you guys ranked them.
When i saw the world eater's bolt pistol having -6 ap i freaked out
I was half expecting to just see every imperium faction have vindicare as their pick
Don't the aeldari rangers have an epic hero to lead them that DOES let them get over the strength, giving them reroll wounds, and having a pretty good sniper on its own?
Illic Nightspear, yeah
Yeah plus giving them lone op as well as having a 2+ heavy to auto hit with dev wounds is great for only 70pts
The Knight Castellan is a “sniper” and has 72” rage making it the best
Before even watching: Tyranids better have turned in the haruspex! Untterly unhinged!
it happend, im satisfied!
I think deathmarks are an underrated unit. Especially when you can have them in hypercrypt. Deepstriking in to kill a character, maybe score a secondary, then being picked back up to do it again is really useful
Typhus' ability is arguably the sniper option for deathguard.
Just showing the base and stilts of the admech tall boy had me laughing
Deathmarks don't so much sneak around as they just hop out of their pocket dimension at an ideal vantage point, take the shot, then dip back in.
you forgot the Night Spear who ironicly goes with Rangers and shoots better than all of them
Back in the day I would have said Pathfinders with Rail Rifles for Tau.... They were scouts, looked like a beefed up rifle, they could target different targets from the rest of the unit.... back then precision wasn't really much of a thing. But I feel like the whole sniper interacting with markerlights is pretty thematic for a sniper... plus rails are quiet right?
Aeldari rangers get way better if you have Illic Night spear leading them. He gives reroll wounds and LONE OPERATIVE to the unit he is leading. He also has a distortion-weapon sniper rifle that is pretty cool. Unfortunately, I think he will be part of the current finecast purge when the 10th Aeldari codex will drop…
Very fun class.
I do think the Helvren knights might be able to argue a D-, long range, big punch gun, and anti-fly 2+. Not character sniping, but lots of things have fly...
6:25 With the updated army rules the ballistic skill is improved by 1 AND given heavy.
So depending on how you rule if the improvement of ballistic counts as modifying the hit roll, it could go down to 1+!
even if not, a total BS of 2+ on the skatros almost constantly is pretty good.
The best part about the weirdboy is that if you have 20 boyz you can have another (warboss) character leading the unit. so if you attach ufthak blackhawk to that unit, you get 20 boyz, a weirdboy and ufthak blackhawk that can deepstrike in and go for the snipe.
Deathmarks are sneaky since they arent in this dimension until theyre about to shoot you. Thats pretty sneaky
What was pictured is the Vindy's old sheet. His new rifle is s8 and is pistol is s6, can pierce lone op, he lost the additional damage on crit hit, and shieldbreaker got reworked from once per game no saving throws to once per game +1 to wound and successful wounds crit (has dev wounds still) so it's just a reworded buff.
If the Vindicare Assassin is the benchmark you are grading by, you should have selected Illic Nightspear for the Eldar
AdMech Tallboy sounds like a beer from a nerd-friendly bar. I love it!
This might actually be my favourite Poorhammer podcast.
The idea of a 50-calibre hair clip (barrette, which is what Brad said, rather than Barrett, which places the emphasis on the first syllable) had me laughing so hard I had to rewind. Mission accomplished, lads!
"Rangers dont have ways of getting around their low strength."
This is Illiac Nightspear erasure.
Also you can theoretically make Rangers a ten man squad which while pushing the upper limits of size do make them a lot more threatening to anything down their sightline.
That grey knights librarian has a special place in my heart. It one-shot my mate’s psychophage, and it was glorious.
I would like to make an argument that, instead of the Weirdboy, the Ork sniper is instead the Shokkjump Dragsta. Yes, it's a car rather than a single guy, but the Kustom Shokk Rifle on it has a slightly better profile for a sniper (Precision, Dev wounds, Hazardous, 3+ BS, and Dd6+1). For sneakiness, you run it in a Kult of Speed, and can advance it every round to deep-strike around the board and snap off shots with it from 24" range every time. And for the cherry on top, the model actually has a big ole sniper rifle on the side of it, manned (orked?) by a gretchin wearing goggles. Still like... a B- at best, but I personally see it as the more platonically ideal "Ork Sniper".
Is a grot a Gretchin and a boy aiming the same fun, They are trying so much
I know I was slightly off last time, but I'm 100% right with this one!
You can have up to 3 special weapons per Traitor Guard squad, but yeah only one Sniper rifle.
It is also based on the Infantry squad sniper, NOT the Ratlings! If you compare it to a unit like Death Korps, it'll be the exact same.
If I may ask, could we get every faction’s Primarch/Master? Like, the really big flashy epic hero that is the perfect example of that faction?
Almost left early but then got to hear Brad read "Don't touch my dingaling" totally worth sticking around 😂
There should be a “grade sheet” at the end of these episodes as an overview of “the class”
I was curious about which of the 12 options you woule pick gor our blue boys of the T'au, and I was not disappointed
Not using the Tyrannofex for Tyranids is a straight up crime, my son deserves his flowers!
I would like to mention illic nightspear for eldar cause even though he’s not in production he is not legends for only 70pts you can attach him to a ranger squad to give (basically) lone op and full rerolls. As well as as his gun voidbringer with 48” 1 2+ 6 -3 3 with heavy( auto hit if stationary) dev wounds and precision.
This felt like it fell into four categories, actual snipers, dedicated marksmen, marksman adjacent, and no sniper.
The most unique model every faction has :D
(open for all from characters over units to vehicles and every thing inbetween)
You can get re-rolls to wounds with the Aeldari rangers, you are meant to run them with Illic Nightspear(eldar sniper leader), he also gives the squad more sneakyness with the Aeldari equivalent of Lone Operative. Justice for my Elven bois, they deserve at least an A-.
Having the Skatros out of frame is absolutely hilarious!
For CSM i just took some MKVI squads from HH gave 4 of them some 3D printed bolt snipers and just using the Havocs lascannon profiles the 5th model in the unit just gets whichever loadout you can give the sergeant. I ordered some other bits like power pack antennas and stealthy looking helmets. Just in case anyone needs an idea for a “sniper unit”
Thank you for including the infamous ork sniper