Agreed on the Cuman speed bonus, I feel like people are focusing on Steppe Lancers being OP (which they are) and not enough on how much the speed bonus plays into that. It's another husbandry so you can always catch up
This is actually a very strong strat because whatever losses one incurs by fighting counters (like spears or pikes) is mitigated by the cheaper scout cost. Also there's no delay of switching techs. Plus scouts have the mobility to keep the opponent off balance. Not sure if it's effective at higher levels but it's won me many games.
I feel like this is less of a "finding the meta" video as it is a challange video of "feudal scouts only"....this should be number ....22 I think it is?
Hey Viper did you watch spirit of the laws video about the xolotl warriors? Can you please try to use them in a multiplayer match and load it up on youtube? Would be a real mastapiece!
Hello, im not Sure if anyone played them or remembers them, but in my childhood I played s lot of enpire earth rather than aoe and I find their campaigns to be much MUCH better. I would really wish they will surpass everyone with aoe 4. Some cutscenes and stories.. more elements you dont get in normal multi/singleplayer.. unique units and buildings.. more difficulty .. I highly suggest you try out empire earths campaign if you haven't
Tbh, full scouts was the way to go here. Also, no need for Castle Age upgrades or Imperial Age upgrades because of the fact that you did not even have to destroy his Town Centers or Castle to win with your 90 non-stop scouts under his TC. That would just hold his economy idle until your fishing ships sank by themselves and you have cut all wood of the map.
Can someone help: when I select the sheep and hold Shift+RightClick, it goes directly to the very last position that set. Whereas on AoE HD it went through all the flag poles. How can this be fixed?
yes, because magyar FU scout cavalry actually beats mongols FU scout cavalry 1v1, because the HP bonus only apllies to light cav and hussars. And tremble he shall!
Would like to see him play the same strategies against a higher elo player. This series is fun, but we get the feeling he's so much better than the opponent that he can just get away with a shitty strategy
Does anybody know: Is it possible to increase the unit icon size when selecting multiple units?`I find them sometimes ridiculously hard to differenciate.
Yes, when you increase the bottom bar the icons will as well. Annoying thing is that you end with a huge bottom bar that consume to much of the screen in my opinion. Don’t know if you can just increase the icon size yet but they should definitely put that in the game
@@KA-rp7nh Thanks, I'll fumble around with it and see if maybe I find a bit of a compromise. But yes, they should somehow make it adjustable on its own in my opinion. I was totally irritated they made so tiny unit icons in comparison to everything else.
What about a challenge sometime, where you must always be at least one age below the opponent(Dark age excluded for obvious reasons :P). But yes this means you have to stay in dark age until the enemy gets to castle age, and which point you can go to feudal, and then once the enemy goes imperial you can finally go to castle, which will be the end for you, you can never go imperial, as there is no age above that for the opponent to go to
Viper, when you say "he has a yellow sign next to his name which means he is struggling with performance," does that mean problems with his internet or his PC?
"everyone will feel worse on de" nah. My APM is really low, but I'm really experienced in less APM heavy strategy games. So the ability for me to queue actions, and queue up vils after research, research after vils, etc... I think I'm better in DE than HD.
Just noticed, that fish doenst count so the "total villangers" in that bar at the top, but they count on the "food counter". You had 100 on food alone and the total counter showed 81 vills. What makes sense but doesnt at the same time.... Nice try.. bit painfull to watch all the horses die, bot ok :-)
@@matthewcarroll2533 What little genius you are 😊 Like I said, it makes sense. But they arent millitary too. I can see some less skilled Players overbooming because they produce vills untill that counter shows 100+ dispite having 50 fishing ships.
i really enjoy not knowing what elo the other players is, i hated it when a high elo player joined my voobly lobby and you play bad because you expect a defeat.
felt bad for him , poor fella tried so hard to keep up i think if he walled with stone walls and build an army he could have easily beaten you , but what do expect from these low level players .
in that case viper would have just switched to a map-control oriented playstyle and probably start placing town centers like in the middle of the map - which is btw. also a great way to flex on people :D But yes, scouts are physically incapable of damaging stone walls, like ... at all (they even struggle with palisades lol).
"full scout cavalry" oh like hussars and shi- oh.
"I sometimes mistake grass for a tree." Out of context, this statement is beautiful.
honey, I shrunk the kids
Viper must be a poet
I see that how agricultural society failed to fight against normadic horsemen raiding in history :p
singharlamlowyatoethelaws true
Best comment over here ! :)
This is literally what the magyars did in the 10th century!
Agreed on the Cuman speed bonus, I feel like people are focusing on Steppe Lancers being OP (which they are) and not enough on how much the speed bonus plays into that. It's another husbandry so you can always catch up
The problem is in their pathing too, it seems so smooth compared to every other unit.
And stacking
while pikeman bumping each other, lancer.zip just out reach them one by one...
They just have to make it like Celts with squires (and it will still be quite OP)
This is actually a very strong strat because whatever losses one incurs by fighting counters (like spears or pikes) is mitigated by the cheaper scout cost. Also there's no delay of switching techs. Plus scouts have the mobility to keep the opponent off balance.
Not sure if it's effective at higher levels but it's won me many games.
51 min castle time...like a true silver player. You should do the fast castle tutorial again
Viper showing new players how counters work in aoe2 🤔
I appreciate your commitment Viper. This was very exciting precisely because you stuck with scouts and didn't add other units.
I feel like this is less of a "finding the meta" video as it is a challange video of "feudal scouts only"....this should be number ....22 I think it is?
_TheViper uploads_
_Sees that Video name starts with "The Meta | #7"_
Me: *Oh god what is it this time?*
200 pop fuedal
Did the game really put the relic in that lake on a lily pad
Seems like it year
Oh relic of the lake, what is your wisdom?
Biper is still silver and King Sancho will rule for eternity.
Excalibur
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
This was like watching a Floyd Mayweather fight: 12 rounds of no-damage jabs, then a win-by-decision.
For the new players:
Can you maybe make a video about your hotkeys or something (with some tips and tricks)?
Hera's (Hera Age of empires 2) doing a series on how to get better at the game. He just did one on hotkeys.
@@matthewmcneany Thanks!
Me: How many stables do you need?
Viper: yes
It'd be great if you do post-game analysis and how you'd have responded if you were the other player.
24:05 a full army of brave men running away because one guy with a pike
I wonder if the horses liked the fish that viper fed them with.. xD
15:34 the gate was open and he clicked to send his scout away from it ;0
Wow scouts so strong
Most OP unit in game
Hey Viper did you watch spirit of the laws video about the xolotl warriors? Can you please try to use them in a multiplayer match and load it up on youtube? Would be a real mastapiece!
How did he kill all of them at 20:30?
If you went to castle age but didn’t upgrade the scouts to light cav could you get more armor and attack upgrades?
Hello, im not Sure if anyone played them or remembers them, but in my childhood I played s lot of enpire earth rather than aoe and I find their campaigns to be much MUCH better. I would really wish they will surpass everyone with aoe 4. Some cutscenes and stories.. more elements you dont get in normal multi/singleplayer.. unique units and buildings.. more difficulty .. I highly suggest you try out empire earths campaign if you haven't
Daut's Endless Scout Rush is also worth a watch 🙌
This is like the Roman Empire vs Asterix' village, the last in Gaul. 😂
Tbh, full scouts was the way to go here. Also, no need for Castle Age upgrades or Imperial Age upgrades because of the fact that you did not even have to destroy his Town Centers or Castle to win with your 90 non-stop scouts under his TC. That would just hold his economy idle until your fishing ships sank by themselves and you have cut all wood of the map.
The ca and ia upgrades helped a lot in defeating the pikes. That's the reason why, in the end, viper was wondering where the pikes had gone.
Can someone help: when I select the sheep and hold Shift+RightClick, it goes directly to the very last position that set. Whereas on AoE HD it went through all the flag poles. How can this be fixed?
where to watch all his live stream, Help plz
mixer
www.mixer.com/theviper
@@TheViperAOE Thanks
this scout rush would make Subotai tremble in fear
yes, because magyar FU scout cavalry actually beats mongols FU scout cavalry 1v1, because the HP bonus only apllies to light cav and hussars.
And tremble he shall!
*takes sip from coffee as he gets housed*
Would like to see him play the same strategies against a higher elo player. This series is fun, but we get the feeling he's so much better than the opponent that he can just get away with a shitty strategy
There is a mod removing this small stuff, saw it in the modlist yesterday
Would love to have the name if you come across it again
@@Bennnjj It's called 'Useless Plants Remover'
@@freshflavadave ty!
@@freshflavadave Haha, aptly named.
@@Bennnjj sorry didn't get a notification, it's indeed useless plants remover
Does anybody know: Is it possible to increase the unit icon size when selecting multiple units?`I find them sometimes ridiculously hard to differenciate.
You can make the bottom bar bigger in the option maybe that would help? I think it's called scale something in the options
Yes, when you increase the bottom bar the icons will as well. Annoying thing is that you end with a huge bottom bar that consume to much of the screen in my opinion. Don’t know if you can just increase the icon size yet but they should definitely put that in the game
@@Bennnjj Thanks for the idea, I'll give it a try!
@@KA-rp7nh Thanks, I'll fumble around with it and see if maybe I find a bit of a compromise. But yes, they should somehow make it adjustable on its own in my opinion. I was totally irritated they made so tiny unit icons in comparison to everything else.
Maybe a mood should help
Win bcuz map control?
Have you tried the new saracen archers yet ? They're really fun to play with
He has a "The Meta" video here on UA-cam of him using them already. Tl:Dr - they're incredibly overtuned.
38:01 I just realized k/d is broken
Can you not choose color in matchmaking? Why aren't you using yellow anymore?
Where do i find The small trees Mod?
There is a mod that removes the clutter that doesn't do anything but have visual affects. Its called Useless plant remover
May the UA-cam algorithm be with you
Are we sure this is the meta or are you just trolling this poor fella? Hahaha
This is literally death by a thousand cuts...
@TheViperAOC for the Gras you can find a Mod that enable this things
there is a mod to remove the various shrubs that aren't trees, its helpful!
I love them
When Viper uploads i give a like before i even watch the video.
Lessions learned: Horses fed on fish breed like there is no tomorrow.
For aoe 2 DE there is a mod that trade carts dont bump into each other anymore is this legit ?
If it works, I'm quite sure it's not legit, since you get an advantage from it.
That castle time though true bronze player viper
now imagine you are a middle age farmer, and here comes the Hun
What about a challenge sometime, where you must always be at least one age below the opponent(Dark age excluded for obvious reasons :P). But yes this means you have to stay in dark age until the enemy gets to castle age, and which point you can go to feudal, and then once the enemy goes imperial you can finally go to castle, which will be the end for you, you can never go imperial, as there is no age above that for the opponent to go to
by handicapping himself he make the game harder for himself so he can practice
this reminds me of that south park scene with the chinese guy building his wall :D "get outta here, fucking mongorians!"
I can't believe how much gold you spent on exploding boat.
yea, fuck him right!
New meta full Feudal Scouts vs Pikemen
This is inspiring. I don't scare pikes anymore.
@theviper send the meta footage to t90 would like to see him cast and lose his mind watching your "unorthodox" plays
Just goes to show the power of a strong eco.
He should have made a big ass pikeman army and 20 rams.
whats DE?
I think the grass/shrub issue is really exacerbated by small tree mods
Viper, when you say "he has a yellow sign next to his name which means
he is struggling with performance," does that mean problems with his internet or his
PC?
It's in bed actually. A touch impolite to bring it up.
Yellow Clock Icon is PC Performance Struggle as far as I know
im just lmao that you made this guy go full pike
Banana tree is grass but many mistake it for tree...
As a Hungarian, it's so weird to hear in-game voices in my native language. And to imagine, that it sounds gibberish to other players
Yep I love it tho
Love these meta vids!
Why does nobody try to steal an enemy's boar?
In bird culture, that's consider a dick move. Only few players lame boars.
Why didn't he advance to Imperial Age?
Viper here's a mod to get rid of useless bushes etc. 'Useless plant remover' i believe the mod is called
"everyone will feel worse on de"
nah. My APM is really low, but I'm really experienced in less APM heavy strategy games. So the ability for me to queue actions, and queue up vils after research, research after vils, etc...
I think I'm better in DE than HD.
Made demo ship, not full scout
When the winged hussars arrived
*winged scouts
watching viper micro ashames me
then the scout cavalry arrives (?)
Vienna is saved.
Magiar scout, full rush.
100% loss rate on this map? Has Viper's DE win streak been broken?
Why didn't he use camels ? That would have been the right move, here
Camels sucks, Go pikes
Camels cost gold. Since he was boxed in, he couldn't get sufficient amounts of gold. That's also whyhe never got out of castle age.
That guy have gold for crossbow but not camel?
@@planter710 Some crossbows
----- I feel like bad manners that you didn't upgrade the scouts lol
I thought this game was going to end in feudal D:
I'm disappointed that it's not Magyar Arbalest
Why do people keep asking if this game is on PC?
Is this game on pc?
opponent really messed up in not going to imp
he didn't have enough territory to get the resources needed to go to imp sadly
Magyar scouts melt spears it's so fun
Wow only meat units, impressive indeed..
Just noticed, that fish doenst count so the "total villangers" in that bar at the top, but they count on the "food counter". You had 100 on food alone and the total counter showed 81 vills. What makes sense but doesnt at the same time.... Nice try.. bit painfull to watch all the horses die, bot ok :-)
Not to be *that* guy but probably because the villager count tracker tracks... villagers, not fishing boats - since they're not villagers. lol
@@matthewcarroll2533 What little genius you are 😊 Like I said, it makes sense. But they arent millitary too. I can see some less skilled Players overbooming because they produce vills untill that counter shows 100+ dispite having 50 fishing ships.
I hope looking at the K/D the opponent realised what happened XD
Can't wait to watch TheViper playing The Meta #35: Vietnamese Resign
Jó napot! Gyüjtögetek. Szolgálatára! Igen? Parancs! Építkezek. Fát vágok. - Yes I am magyar. :d
saymyname is obviously Heisenberg.
We need Xolot gameplay
Next Meta: Cummans Palidase Wall Rush.
Damnnnn with scouts?! BeastMode
i really enjoy not knowing what elo the other players is, i hated it when a high elo player joined my voobly lobby and you play bad because you expect a defeat.
yeah but it could be nice to see it after a game
@@bogdanbogdanoff5164 true
Scouts go brrrrr
33:54 so true
felt bad for him , poor fella tried so hard to keep up i think if he walled with stone walls and build an army he could have easily beaten you , but what do expect from these low level players .
in that case viper would have just switched to a map-control oriented playstyle and probably start placing town centers like in the middle of the map - which is btw. also a great way to flex on people :D
But yes, scouts are physically incapable of damaging stone walls, like ... at all (they even struggle with palisades lol).
20:33
Please nerf scouts.
30:50 not strong enough to commit, pathetic
i like that guys tight little base.
yeet.
Praise DauT
very fun match :D ns approach