Drum Teacher Reacts: JOHN RUTSEY! | Rush - 'Working Man'
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R.I.P. John Rutsey and thank you for your contribution to my favorite band.🙏
Neil I think was respectful of John's songs. Neil played them all as himself. John was an amazing character. They were a different band and John was the captain of the ship live! Let's not compare them , let's enjoy both of their legacies. Peace and love and respect to both. ✌️❤️👍
You'll get in no trouble with the Rush fandom for comparing the first record stuff to Sabbath and Zeppelin. Everyone, the band included, agrees that they hadn't yet synthesized their influences to become Rush. There's somewhat infamously a song on that record where Alex Lifeson's guitar riff is recognizably Jimmy Page's from "Heartbreaker" but slightly different. When Donna Halper broke them on radio station WMMS in Cleveland, most callers requesting that she play it again thought it was a new Led Zeppelin record. Rush eventually did a covers EP in 2004 called "Feedback" where they did mostly straight covers of a lot of their influences.
There's a live version of this with John Rutsey that surfaced a year or two ago where Rutsey's time is all over the place and at one point Geddy loses track of the beat. I assume that's due to the heavy drinking Rutsey was doing on tour because he's solid on the record and you couldn't hide that in 1974. To his credit, he got cleaned up after that and was successful running a chain of gyms.
Some radio station in the US picked this song to play because of how long it was...it was known as bathroom break song so the DJ could run to the bathroom & get back before the song ended...the listeners thought it was a new Zeppelin song & began to request it...that was their first big break since it was difficult to find places to play live in Toronto at that time...when Peart joined the band they had 2 weeks to practice before going on tour opening for Kiss...
WMMS 🤠🤘
there is a video of a concert with rutsey laurel st catherine middle school rush. working man is played at the end of the concert at a high school. the band is in all their rock star 70s glory, earrings, geddy in flowing blue robes. rutsey does the talking.
Yes, it was recorded in St. Catharines in 1974, Neil's hometown just before they knew of Neil and replaced John with Neil strangely enough. The stage was at Laura Secord High School on Niagara Street not a "middle school" ie Grade 7-8). It was recorded as part of a show created by CKCO-TV out of Kitchener. I was part of a Grade 6 choir which sang on the same stage in around 1972 just 2 years before that recording.
I love that we have this whole performance with Rutsey captured. Does anyone know the date of that performance? It had to be just months before Neil joined. You can hear how good they were even at such a young age.
@matthewhoag2609 I've wondered the same thing. Neil joined in the summer of 74 so given that the kids in the audience are dressed for warm weather and school is still in or they wouldn't be there my guess is that it occurred in May of 74.
i have and deeply like the Rutsey Rush Album good loud at 2 am driving home - he died in 2008 from complications related to diabetes very sad
I hear the Sabbath. When I first heard this record, "Working Man" reminded me of Sabbath and "Finding My Way" reminded me of Zeppelin.
became a life long fan as soon as I heard this song in 1974. was lucky enough to have seen them 4 times including the first and last US tours.
I have always thought this was so Black Sabbath some people said Led Zeppelin I think mostly due to Geddy's vocals. I mean Alex is sounding like Tony in the breakdown.
I once got called out in the comments when I said this song reminds me of Sabbath, i'm glad to see Andrew had the same impression.
There's definitely Led Zep sound to it too, and some Page guitar licks.
I was reading this and saying to myself; "I didn't write this! When did I write this?" . . .
And then the brain went; " . . . wait a minute" 🙃.
1974 Neil Peart Drum Solo from the 1st tour is available on UA-cam, this is just after they started touring for the 1st album after Rutsey left.
I am reading Geddy's book My Effin Life right and he talks about John Rutsy. Although he had health issues Geddy says the main reason was that he was more of a straight ahead rock drummer and Geddy and Alex wanted to pursue more progressive rock.
Also, the night before they were supposed to record the vocals John tore up the lyrics so Geddy and Alex had to write the lyrics on the fly.
Neil's and John's playing are almost 180 deg from each other, but the world is big enough for both. As you said, John's playing was more blues-rock oriented, in the pocket, keep the groove. He was happy doing that and he did it very well. Neil, on the other hand, was more composition-oriented. He loved being busy (Keith Moon was an early idol). His approach to drum parts was that he didn't want to get bored playing the songs numerous times, which is part of the reason he doesn't play the same fill 2x in the same song. But his approach also was a way to challenge himself. He was ALWAYS striving to improve, progress, challenge, move forward, 'ok, I mastered that, what else do I need to work on?' Again, 180 deg approaches to the same instrument, but both styles are perfectly wonderful and have their place.
Recorded this off the radio as a young kid. It's still my favourite Rush song. Picked up the bass a few years later and had to learn the song. Funny how memories work.
You know, I had completely forgotten about recording from the radio! Thanks for the memory jolt!
This song is definitely a hybrid of Zeppelin and Sabbath. I think that's why so many people identified with it in the first place. Alex's soloing alone would make Jimmy Page blush!! And Jimmy also named Rush as one of his favorite new bands of 1976... 2112 probably had something to do with that. I wish I knew John Bonham's opinion of Neil. I've never heard in an Interview or story as such. And if I related this story before on Andrew's channel, I beg forgiveness...😁
Rutsey could hold his own..he was also the Emcee of the band live..he was really into the band but diabetes kicked his ass unfortunately. They would have made with him
Yeah, he wasn't keen on going full-time as his health would have been more difficult to manage on the road. Also when he conspired to fire Geddy from the band and ripped up the lyrics for the first album the day before they went into the studio, that didn't endear him to the other two guys!
the best version of Working Man is on Different Stages.
Hey hey on a Sunday morning You got to love some early Rush Alex's solo is pure Toni Iomi And you picked right up on the Sabbath/Zep vibe A true product of the times 🤘✌️🧐
I saw many tours going back to 81. Working Man was usually part of a medley in the early days and true to the studio version. Changed up when the sets got much longer in the 90s. Thanks for your great content.
It's an interesting question how much Peart would have sought to pay respect to Rutsey. Arguably, after 37 years Peart could rightly regard the Cleveland 2011 performance of the song as much his as the studio versions's original drummer. But Peart was a pretty sensitive fellow with the wisdom of decades of writing, performing, and living, so I bet he would have given an interesting and reflective answer had he been asked. On the other hand, as a brash youngster, he might have felt more competitive, which would have seen him wanting to make it his own. Hmmm...
Re: your Black Sabbath and Zeppelin references, in one of the Rush documentaries, in her interview, the woman who discovered Rush (at least in so far as the US was concerned), [now Professor] Donna Halper, said that her radio station was deluged with caller questions about when the new Zeppelin record would be available. So, yes, the album was quite derivative, particularly of Zeppelin.
Interestingly, in that same documentary ["Beyond the Lighted Stage], all of the principals were asked about Rutsey's departure [i.e. dismissal]. Three reasons came clear: (i) John wasn't interested in fame and fortune but rather wanted to stay local; (ii) Rutsey was a childhood diabetic whose hard-partying lifestyle was going to kill him if he went on tour; and (iii) they had musical differences. Point (i) seems like revisionist history. Point 2 seems like hindsight thinking (as Rush's tour schedule was truly punishing for the first five years). Point 3 seems the most credible, bolstered by the fact that its primary exponent was Alex Lifeson. As Lifeson put it, he and Geddy were then into Yes and Genesis, whereas John wanted the band to go the way of Bad Company.
It also sounds as though Rutsey might not have been on the best of terms with his bandmates in 1974, given how they could barely scrape the money together to have access to a professional studio for one night (i.e. midnight to morning); it was John's job to write the lyrics, and he came to the studio with nothing. Hence, the lyrics on the album were very different from the lyrics to be found on their remaining 18 studio albums.
As it turns out, one of Rush's two-man management team had heard of a drummer living about 80 kilometers away, named Niel Peart, and invited him to try out. Geddy and Alex have told the story of how the audition went (very well) in many places. It was also quite a bonus that - aside from being an amazing drummer - he was into the same music as Geddy and Alex. They also shared the same Monty Pythonesque sense of humour and so hit it off as friends immediately.
Neil was given a single month to learn all of the songs before the band performed its first opening gig, for Manfred Mann in Pittsburgh. Touring in close quarters that summer, Geddy and Alex noticed that Peart (a genius autodidact) always seemed to have a book in his hand, so they asked him if he wanted to try writing the lyrics for the band. He, of course, accepted the offer.
But, then, what do I know? I'm just "some guy from Canada" ...
Can confirm it all except that they opened in Pittsburgh for Uriah Heep.
@@Snowdog070, must have had Blinded by the Light in my head when writing. If not, I definitely have it in my head now!
Think "The Trees," "The Trees," "The Trees..."
Phew, that was a close one!
Rush, Sabbath, Led Zep, all heavy metal back then🤘🏻.
I love this jam, this studio version was played so much, so loud, back then.
I recently saw an interview with Niel Peart recorded roughly around the same time as the Cleveland show, in which he described how the three of them had been individually but simultaneously moving towards adding a more improvisational element to their music.
I also recall a video recorded around the same time in which Geddy and Alex explained that, at least by the time the band had returned from its hiatus in the early 00's, they had stopped trying to perfectly replicate studio versions with their live performances - chiefly because it was limiting their ability to write the music they wanted with the assistance of the latest recording technology.
In this sense, their lifetime-embrace of the bleeding edge of technology appears to have won out over their need to demonstrate how legit they were in terms of virtuosity. One suspects, however, that such a change would have come with the wisdom of experience anyway.
What you really need to check out, is Neil’s version of Working Man from All the Worlds a Stage. Only a two years after he joined. Especially his drum solo at the end. 👍👍👍👍👍
Agree - to me the version on ATWAS is THE definitive cut. Neil’s fills and timing is just the best on that one. 👍🏻
John was a good 4/4 time rock drummer, but Geddy and Alex were interested in more progressive rock which John wasn't into. John was supposed to write the lyrics but he didn't come thru so Alex and Geddy had to quickly come up with the lyrics.
When Working Man started getting air play at WMMS in Cleveland, many listeners called the station asking when the new Led Zeppelin album was coming out.
Just to be sure, there was nothing anticipated or implied in my asking for a comparison. I was just curious to hear the thoughts of a handsome, charismatic, and Kiwi professional Drummer on the topic.
Hi. I'm reading Ged's autobiography right now. Here's the real story.
They finished playing a show at a bar and went into the studio at midnight. They recorded all the music in about three hours (!) and went back the next night for vocals, however, they had lyric issues.
John was supposed to deliver lyrics that night, but he flaked out, never showed up, and Geddy, with the clock ticking, wrote all the lyrics for the album in about an hour. He was used to improvising lines on stage, so he used those 'mumblings' as a basis.
'Working Man' was about all the dudes in the bars that they used to play at.
Donna Halper, last I heard, is now a Professor of Communications at Emerson College in Boston.
There is another version from the Live Album All the Worlds a Stage released in 1976 with Peart & the original drum solo - was always a fan of the heavier early stuff as the last album I bought was A Farewell to Kings - became a fan of the newer stuff after checking out live performances on youtube the last couple of years - when I first heard the reggae intro to Workingman it was " Blaspheme " but now it fits well .
Agreed. That would make for the fairest comparison. Still, my favourite NP drum solo.
In a bootleg recording of Working Man, Neil in his earliest days with the band would do a 2-3 bar extraordinary fill in concert versions of this song at a part which I can't remember as I write this. I haven't been able to find the recording I mention for quite a while but I keep searching. The fill I speak of was exemplary and was like a mini drum solo over Alex's mini guitar solo at the same time. Neil certainly did or was allowed by Alex and Geddy to "improvise" what had been recorded in the studio with John Rutsey. It was like the "new guy" showing that he was here to replace the "old guy".
Mid 70s hard rock was the best. So glad i was alive back then
As much as I love later Rush in all of their proggy glory, this is more my kind of heavy metal. Easily in the top 5 of my favourite songs they made. The drive, the gritty distortion and the lyrics. Not to forget the incredible guitar solo. This one has it all.
Always enjoyed how Rutsey did the original.
Yeah it's great feel here
It hit me just before you said it, it sounds a lot like Sabbath. The guitar tone is a lot different from Lifeson's tone a bit later on until today which is very bright. This is super choked out and its a very unique feel.
As a diehard Rush fan, I hear Black Sabbath a lot in their early material. Every time I hear the opening chords of The Necromancer Part II: Under the Shadow, I think of Tony Iommi.
You should check out All The World's a Stage live album version of Working Man. Neil really shreds it up
rutsey was supposed to write the lyrics but showed up without them so they had to scramble to get something. they were recording late after their gigs because it was cheaper.
I agree with others, here, that we should appreciate what Rutsey did, on this album. Working Man is a great track, with or without Neil's input. Also, Here Again remains one of my favourite Rush tracks.
All that said, Rush wouldn't have progressed beyond this, without Neil. As Geddy has said, John would've been happy doing the same stuff/style forever after. Alex and Geddy didn't, and Neil shared their ambition; and, of course, Neil's lyrics also inspired musical exploration, too.
Geddy mentioned in his memoir “My Effin’ Life“ that while Rutsey could hold his own in terms of drumming, both his diabetic, health-related issues and some stylistic preferences meant that regardless of what the band was destined for, Rutsey was not going to be part of how it ended. Gene Simmons from KISS said that early RUSH was more like Humble Pie and Led Zeppelin blues rock. Rutsey was much more comfortable with that straight-ahead style, while Geddy and Alex were branching off into stuff more akin to Yes and King Crimson. Neil Peart was a much better fit.
Rush would have not achieved the heights they did without Neil. That is irrefutable... RIP Mr. Rutsey, RIP Professor...
Rutsey left in '74, after 5-6 years in the band, for the classic 'musical differences' reason. Geddy and Alex wanted to go more progressive, Rustey wanted to stay as a 'four on the floor' rock n roll band. His diabetes was a big factor too. So he left, Neil joined, and the rest is history.............
I've never heard the term trashcan ending before, I used to always call them Rush endings actually. 😅
As usual, it seems like you've nailed it (Neiled it?) with your analysis of their different approaches :)
You can almost hear some Steppenwolf - born to be wild during the instrumentals.
Finding my way is my fav’ from their first album
You make me smile bro 👊😎
5:23 Yes sir me too. I always looked at this song as one of the times Rush taps into their love to Black Sabbath. That is one of the things I love about Rush, you can hear their inspirations in a lot of their songs. New World Man is another "tap in" song I totally dig, you can hear Rush totally tap into The Police on that song.
Also Vital Signs!
I love John Rutsey and that first album but Neal was the third part they needed imo. I have always believed they were the most Talented Rock band of the 70's .
Cant remember if I mentioned it on my other comments, check out Jonathan Lundberg band (sweden) "behind the moon", " bermuda", they do an excellent job on "space boogie" , it was videoed 10 years ago I think. Fusion.
Totally hear some Sabbath in the original. And Rutsey playing behind the beat on this one just adds to that feel. Their first album was straightforward hard rock, and I can hear influences from Zep, Sabbath, KISS, The Who, etc. By the time they recorded the first album, both Geddy and especially Alex were ready to move on and plot their own course. In addition to health concerns, it seems like Rutsey didn’t share the same vision as the other guys which lead to them looking for a new drummer.
Digging the "Limelight" drums in the background when you're talking...
Here’s my thought. Pearts style resonates more with me.
Who knows if there would be a Neil peart without a John rutsey though. What do they call that? Serendipity?
Everything happened exactly like it was supposed to and Neil knew that and never took it for granted.
All the stars aligned, that's for sure!
Finally someone else hears it! People are alway saying how RUSH first album ,and this song in particular sound like zeppelin AND im like...
"HAVE you LISTENED to the first two BLACK SABBATH records?!?!!!"
its like totally sabbath in there yes theres deff led zep and cream in the Rush mix.
but I would bet Rutsey was a huge Bill Ward fan.
"Fifth Order of Angels Working Man"... a good listen if you want to check out how Neil played this at the beginning of his career with Rush.
Song is way more dynamic, longer instrumental section a tasty treat for live audiences. Neil has more punch, as to be expected, especially for a live band.
Being a RUSH fanatic from Neil's hometown I can confirm all of what the requestor has sent you and you read aloud. Rutsey left due to health reasons and was replaced with Neil for their first major tour. Rutsey was a basic rock drummer mostly into rock music like Bad Company. Both Alex and Geddy were far more interested in "English music" like Genesis, Yes, etc. ie. more sophisticated music so there was a schism of sorts between the 3 members of the band. None-the-less, Neil joined and the rest is history. I could go on......
Yeah, you are excused for hearing (of) Rush and Neil 🍐t so late in life, Andrew!
The only 3 or 4 New Zealanders who do know Rush all live down here in Wellington!
😄 😉
The heavy riff on this and guitar tone definitely like Sabbath
A DJ at the time the song came out tough Led Zeppelin made a new album.....it was RUSH enjoy
Great reaction Andy! John Rutsey (RIP) was absolutely no slouch on the skins! The entire album has great examples of this (and you honestly should check out the entire album!) - was he Neil (also RIP), no, but he was a great rock drummer! Their first album was often compared to Led Zeppelin (some radio stations claim people were asking about the new Zep track - which was this song!) - Rush wore their influences on their sleeve. While John gave them their start - they could not have continued with if they wanted to evolve. Alex & Geddy were already getting more into progressive rock (they both had a love for Yes & Genesis), this was NOT John's thing. Between that and his diabetes, which made it difficult for touring (the limited touring they did do, it was evident in John's health) - John had to go!
Enter the Professor - Neil had all the same musical interests as Geddy & Alex, was a consummate perfectionist AND took over the mantle of lyricist (which Ged & Al didn't really care for!) It was a perfect fit!
Neil always kept the heart of what John did on those album tracks, but in all ways precision, speed & technicality, made it his own! Cheers.
Lots of Ohio residents thought this was a Led Zepplin song when it first aired.
Would they have been Rush with Rutsey?. In this case, probably not, Neil wrote the lyrics for most of Rush’s songs. So different than Nirvana where Dave G often says Nirvana was just caveman drumming - but Dave certainly added the 1-5% that put them over the top.
Fior more Apples to Apples, listen to All the World's A Stage, they are still playing the 1st album 2 years on. Or, compare this to Anthem/ Fly by Night from the 2nd album.
BTW, that version is a 2 for, with Finding My Way in the middle, and quite the cookie at the end, where the Peart solo motifs that drive us Rusk fans nuts, are revealed.
I think if John would have been in a bad company type gig he probably would have killed it!
John wasn't flashy but he was a solid drummer.
I saw Rush maybe 10 times as a teen in the 70s. Every show had some improv but Lynyrd Skynyrd was the only band I know of that went out of their way to play live songs exactly as they were on an album. Anyway, funny, but while of course I loved Rush live, as I got older I enjoy the studio song versions MUCH more than the improvised videos and "live" shows on you tube. Maybe I'm older, more cynical...whatever, but the songs I learned & loved as a young'un sound best the same way they sounded when I unwrapped the vinyl version some 50 (fifty! good lord) years ago. Ok I'm old, but would if Bach or Mozart could come back for a day, would they prefer a full orchestral rendition of one of their classics, faithfully reproduced note-for-note? Or some kind of AI-assisted version, w/ some hip-hop flavoring & remixed w/ samples from across the modern music spectrum? That's it, I don't really have a point to make here, just an observation/opinion. Love your channel, and FWIW i think you should ALWAYS lead w/ a song's studio version- as the band originally intended it to be heard. Later, if you like it, graduate to live, extended- jam-type versions. Cheers!
I agree, I always thought that about this song, which has more a Black Sabbath feel, than Led Zeppelin.
I've been saying for years to no one that this song is Iron Man in disguise, or vice versa. I appreciate the validation.
John (RIP) was a much better drummer than he usually gets credit for. I always thought he was very good.
Had Rutsey's health been better, he would have been a good drummer for a straightforward rock band. But Lee and Lifeson wanted to do something different, and that needed Peart's love of variations on a theme, along with his many other skills.
Compare this original version with Rutsey to even early recordings of the song with Peart--from their concert album, All the World's a Stage, for example.
..........well, I'm saying one is better than the other!
How can you not like the original Working Man. It rawks! Rutsey was a fine drummer. He was more straight ahead, not really proggy. Rush would have been a vastly different band had Rutsey stayed the drummer.
Working Man like a worker bee but meant to be free like a free bird high in the sky feeling alive not bound to the ground tilling and toiling thanks to Adam and Cain we feel pain but not for long when we will be caught up in the air to be with the Lord
I thought Rutsey was a fine player; his parts were well thought out, and suited the music appropriately.
When Neil took over, I thought he overplayed Rutsey’s parts. Listening to All The World’s A Stage, I cringe a bit when they get to those songs from the first album. Neil plays them like he has something to prove, and I actually never liked any of Neil’s interpretations of those songs.
He did have something to prove. That he was Neil Peart, and I think Alex and Geddy were just fine with it. Neil was the kind of drummer they were looking for...
@@leddygee1896 nah. Neil already proved who he was in the very first bar of Anthem. Proved it further in Caress of Steel. Absolutely cemented his reputation with 2112.
He overplayed the original Rush material.
Rutsey was a mediocre rock drummer. Not terrible certainly but nothing special at all. Not worth reviewing.