i Figured how to Delay Outputs on the Midas MR18 and it Actually Works (+ FREE Presets)

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  • @danielkharrat
    @danielkharrat  Рік тому +2

    Download Mr18 presets: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h2P4kNTRcEhaCYTiLozdLHHUfz6KOh_I

  • @malcgarda5042
    @malcgarda5042 Рік тому +4

    I have an MR18 - using for an outside event this weekend - speech only - 2 sets speakers - one small L'Acounstic line array & some repeaters (spkrs on sticks) further out... pretty well figured this was how to do it but you showing the settings (particularly on the FX) really helped - thanks for posting the video! Fab info!

  • @Willy_Musik
    @Willy_Musik Рік тому +2

    Thank you very much
    The only channel discussing the Delay Output on the Midas x air MR18

  • @victorxarisorg
    @victorxarisorg Місяць тому

    Daniel, thanks so much for putting this video together and explaining everything so well. I absolutely love the resourcefulness of the ideas being shared in this video. The MR18 (and Behringer XR18) are quite limited by not having the matrix functionality available in the X32, nor delayed outputs, so this workaround with an effect insert and subs is ingenious. I'm going to see if I can do something similar with the XR16 to add a center fill speaker and center sub (all passive speakers), with appropriate crossovers and all controlled together... something that a matrix would accomplish easily, but alas: no matrix on the XR18.

  • @maxammo6282
    @maxammo6282 Рік тому +2

    Man that's cool. You've really done your homework. All that for such a small venue. 1 ms is all you dialed in that's a lot of work for such little return

  • @TimmyP1955
    @TimmyP1955 10 місяців тому

    I did not know about the delay modes. Thanks!

  • @ratiostudios2875
    @ratiostudios2875 Рік тому

    Your video just saved me a LOT of confusion. I've been trying to delay busses on the X32 and I had no idea this effect could do this, thanks!

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +1

      On the x32 you have output delays you don't need to use this effect

    • @121mcloving
      @121mcloving Рік тому

      @@danielkharratI’m not delaying outputs, I’m delaying busses of differently positioned mics before they go to a matrix for output, your method works though!

  • @K3dev
    @K3dev Місяць тому

    Amazing video, so much good info

  • @willchorhotsoi
    @willchorhotsoi Рік тому

    finally some one cracked this 🤘, been years im hoping to do this with the handy xr18.
    Big Up.

  • @davebell1633
    @davebell1633 5 місяців тому

    Excellent! Clear and concise 👍

  • @il4748
    @il4748 4 місяці тому

    Thank you much Daniel for the very useful information. 😊😊😊

  • @GuillaumeLortie
    @GuillaumeLortie Рік тому +3

    Good workaroud man! its not ideal but definitly better then nothing !

  • @sound4uaudiovideorecording927

    Very innovative! I have to wonder how you came up with that “formula”. Good on you!

  • @samroney6644
    @samroney6644 11 місяців тому

    Great video! Very helpful. I will use this with my Behringer XR18. Just one thing I would encourage everyone to consider: The MR18 is a waste of money. Music Tribe owns Midas and markets the exact same mixer for half the price under the Behringer brand as the X-Air XR18. I have compared both devices side by side, in detail. They’re the exact same device with all of the same features and same software, made to the same quality standards, just marketed to two different price markets. You literally get absolutely nothing for the difference in price, except for a different name stenciled on the front. They are literally the exact same product in every way, simply with different brand names written on them.

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  11 місяців тому +4

      The difference in price is because of the different preamps. The mr18 has the midas pro preamps that are used with the midas pro series of consoles. The xr18 has the midas designed preamps which are different. I listened to both and at high gain i could easily hear the preamp noise on the xr18 but the mr18 was much cleaner

  • @darenwashburn6830
    @darenwashburn6830 Рік тому

    Hey bro! Great video, very innovative. But you could have just bought a DBX Drive Rack Pa2 for less money than the X-Air 18. They are like $500ish. And you can set delay times on the unit.

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      We needed a digital mixer anyway because the analog console we had has a lot of limitations and is really old

    • @darenwashburn6830
      @darenwashburn6830 Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat no I hear ya bro. I have a behringer X-Air16 for gigs. I love it. Good stuff.

    • @lrogers35
      @lrogers35 9 місяців тому

      I have a Driverrack PA2. I’ve only seen a delay of up to 10ms. Is there a way to get higher (40-50ms)

  • @knelson1180
    @knelson1180 Рік тому

    Very cool methods. Thanks!

  • @3mstudiospalmdesert
    @3mstudiospalmdesert Рік тому +1

    Excellent video

  • @chewasound8251
    @chewasound8251 2 місяці тому

    So helpful

  • @juliodiazgranados2131
    @juliodiazgranados2131 6 місяців тому

    Hi Daniel,
    Excellent vidéo. I'm a fan of your vidéos in France. I have a question. Will this work with a couple of mids and a sub? In a 2.1 system as FOH.
    I have some experience and I dont have the money to buy smart, but I have Reaper. Can I do this to aline in time and phase?
    Thanks from Marseille
    Julio😊

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  6 місяців тому

      You can allign time with reaper
      But for phase you don't need to buy smaart, there's a free alternative called open sound meter i have a video on it

  • @rmrzz
    @rmrzz Рік тому +2

    why is midas ignoring requests to put delays on the aux?

  • @johnsurdy
    @johnsurdy 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for this! What does the Factor L and R do?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  4 місяці тому +1

      @@johnsurdy divide the time if the delay

  • @pascalb6
    @pascalb6 Рік тому

    Dear Daniel, thank you so much for sharing all this knowledge with us. I was thinking if it could be possible to plug the M32c to MR18 (as stage box) using USB connection maybe ?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately no. The mr18 cannot be used as a stage box for another mixer. If you need more i/o you can of course connect them with analog xlr cables but you cannot connect them digitally

  • @dieoberbayern
    @dieoberbayern Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @user-l8p5o
    @user-l8p5o 8 місяців тому

    Brother Blessings, good day, I am Pastor Anderson Osorio from Colombia, I want to use the FX stereo delay in my church, but I have 2 PA speakers and a new one behind, I need to apply the delay on that speaker because the auditorium does not need 2 speakers at the back, as Would I apply this stereo delay FX to my Behringer X18 console if it is just a speaker?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  8 місяців тому

      Yes you would do method 2
      Send all your channels to a bus
      Insert the stereo delay on that bus
      (You will only use one side of the effect)

  • @njgroven
    @njgroven Рік тому

    Thanks for this great video!
    I'm running livestreams and looking into the Behringer XR18 to replace my analog mixer. Now I'm wondering if this delay workaround could also work to delay my mic's (for lipsync with HDMI camera's) via a bus and then mix this together with video and other sources that don't need this delay. I would love to get one stereo mix out of this console with only the mic's of the people talking delayed in to my videomixer. Do you have any thoughts on this?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +1

      Yes you can make a subgroup and put the mics in that group and put the group on the main LR and insert the delay on the group

    • @njgroven
      @njgroven Рік тому

      Great! But just one more question so that I know I understand correctly. In this example; a aux on the physical device is the same as a bus in the software?
      So the only catch would be that I lose two outputs on the console, but I gain lip sync with the mics and cams :)

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      @@njgroven correct

  • @NonnyStrikes
    @NonnyStrikes 19 днів тому

    So if you have the ability to do speaker placement at the back, could you just face those speakers towards the center (dancefloor in this case) and not worry about delay?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  19 днів тому +1

      @NonnyStrikes i wouldn't recommend firing speakers in opposite directions because it would cause issues. Of course it depends on the amount of overlay and the levels. If there's not much interaction between the speakers then who cares you can do whatever younwant but if they do overlap a fair amount then you would need to turn down the level of the rear speakers to reduce the cancelation effect. Running them in mono also helps a little

    • @NonnyStrikes
      @NonnyStrikes 19 днів тому

      @@danielkharrat The level is exactly what I did. I turned down the back speakers a bit. It seems to sound great. Covers the area that I had a null in because of Pillars being 10 ft in front of where the mains are.
      thanks for replying though! It's great to have another perspective align with my own!

  • @waynakins
    @waynakins Рік тому

    Thanks Daniel, with this method does this mean the Main L/R Inputs are unusable, as everything needs to be physically connected to Aux 5/6, or can Main L/R be utilized for another room where time delay is not needed?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      Why would they be unusable? In this video I'm using aux 5-6 and the main LR. I'm using all 4 of them.
      Not everything is connected to aux 5-6
      Aux 5-6 are connected to the front speakers and main LR are connected to the back speakers
      And the subgroup 5-6 goes to the main LR.
      So you can do whatever you want there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to use the main LR

    • @waynakins
      @waynakins Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat I understand better now, thank you. So only Aux 5-6 are affected by the stereo delay? and Main LR wont need a delay? Thank you for your time.

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      @Wayne Bradley i showed 2 methods in the video. One of them delays the main LR and the other method delays the aux 5-6. It's up to you to decide which method you wanna use depending on what you want to do

  • @michaelsommer5787
    @michaelsommer5787 Рік тому

    Nice idea, but why not you use a matrix output for it and set a delay on the output?

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +1

      The mr18 does not have a matrix and does not have output delays. That's the whole point of the video. I did it in that way because these features don't exist on this mixer

    • @michaelsommer5787
      @michaelsommer5787 Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat Thanks for the clarification. I use a M32 and these functions are available there. God bless you!

  • @karlsaamuelhollman7028
    @karlsaamuelhollman7028 Рік тому

    Hey! I did your first method, do I need to bring up the delay effect channel volume level so signal would come through? Or can I have the effect channel itself at -infinity and it will still come through

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +1

      No because it's an insert. The subgroup fader should be up not the effect fader
      And because it's an insert there's no send and return
      You are inserting the effect directly in the signal chain of the subgroup
      So just keep the effect fader down, you don't need it

  • @creaturecomfort5545
    @creaturecomfort5545 3 місяці тому

    Where does Bus 5&6 come out physically?

  • @grahampetersen4826
    @grahampetersen4826 Рік тому

    Hi Daniel can u help with this problem my bus 6 no sound it worked a week ago thanks in advance

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      Do you mean the xlr output 6 is not outputing any sound? Or there's no signal in the bus itself?

    • @grahampetersen4826
      @grahampetersen4826 Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat hi Daniel there’s signal but no output

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      @@grahampetersen4826 go to routing -> aux out
      And assign aux 6 to bus 6

    • @grahampetersen4826
      @grahampetersen4826 Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat hi Daniel it’s routed it shows signal on the meters but

    • @grahampetersen4826
      @grahampetersen4826 Рік тому

      But no sound

  • @xoverfher
    @xoverfher Рік тому

    You could teach us how to make a downgrade from iOS 16 to iOS 15

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому

      I don't use any apple products so the answer is unfortunately no

    • @VladicD
      @VladicD Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat very good decision :'D

  • @kevinortega7773
    @kevinortega7773 Рік тому

    Hey man thank i got a xr16 think it has that and it does'nt and geoups did no help you self my life

  • @noelbulls8628
    @noelbulls8628 Рік тому

    That’s cool but a-lot of work. I would have measured the distance between speakers and plot that measurement on the midas to obtain the delay. Done I know you test on the midas but the Midas already gives you that delay distance number for you. lol😂 good video

    • @danielkharrat
      @danielkharrat  Рік тому +2

      If you only measure the distance, it will be off by 0.5 millisecond because that's the latency of the stereo delay insert on the mr18. What i showed in the video guarantees an accurate result regardless of the latency of the insert

    • @noelbulls8628
      @noelbulls8628 Рік тому

      @@danielkharrat well yes but if you already knew this then you would have added the 0.5 milliseconds to it. I get it men. Everyone has a different way of doing things and what matters is you get the same results or close enough.