Link's nair stays out that long because it's the only move in the game with no flag for the hitbox ending, so the hitbox ends on the same frame as the endlag by default (frame 39). Funnily enough, its IASA frame (frame 36) comes 3 frames sooner than the move ends so you can effectively cancel it like a street fighter normal.
@@mario-nk7be "Safe" is very relative. Depending on spacing, positioning, sometimes the stage, and your opponents character a move can range from being very safe, to not safe on shield at all. If you define safest as a move that leaves you the most positive then i think that would be peach fc fair.
Here's a really cool one you missed: Game and Watch can't be down-thrown by a bunch of characters, but only if he has port priority. For some reason, if the other player has port priority, dthrows that cause you to come into contact with the ground (a few examples being all 3 Mario Bros, Samus, and Yoshi) will cause Game and Watch to just hit the ground and immediately go into a techchase, similar to what Fox and Falco's dthrow does naturally. For many characters, GnW can tech roll away before they are even out of lag. So let's take Doc for example. If Doc has port priority, Doc has a dthrow->fair kill confirm from about 60% to about 10,000%. He also has combos off of dthrow and getting grabbed in general is super dangerous for GnW. But what about if GnW has port priority? Doc's dthrow now will put GnW on the ground, which he can tech in place dtilt before Doc can do anything except shield. He can also tech roll away for a full reset to neutral, so Doc's grab becomes pretty much useless in most situations. Doc loses his bread and butter way to kill Game and Watch, and the matchup completely changes, all because of which ports you decided to plug your controller into.
@@dieg2063 wait really? Cause I remember doing that once and my friends were all confused back in 2014 at our locals, i was GnW for a bit to warm up a bit and have a little fun then my bud MarioSanicSnax his gamer tag here at our locals picked his main DocMario as he loves Dr.Mario games a lot. Forgot what port i put it in and as he was about to do his BnB i managed to tech it and he was wtf?! Same with me and also our friend Connor. Now i know why which is odd to hear tbh of the port glitch
Here's another cool fact about Link: Once a character grabs ledge, almost every character has to wait 7 frames before they can act out of the ledge grab animation and do whatever you want to do from ledge. But for some reason, Link only has to wait 3 frames before he can drop away from ledge, so he can ledgestall with full intangibility and do ledgedashes a lot faster than almost every other character.
One of my favorite quotes from MagicScrumpy is that low tiers are low tiers because they have one huge weakness, but if they didn’t have that one weakness they’d be higher tiered. For example, most of them are weak to l-cancelled moves, while high tiers have answers and options for the same situation
2:41 when it plays that Mario music you know it's going to be talking about half a presses, an insane amount of math, and scuttlebugs If you didn't get the joke it means it's like going to and a half a press speed run
@Gianluca Tartaro ah yes. The "no longer at evo and dwindling numbers" strongest competitive community of melee. Yall numbers up yall just dont seem to know yet
0:57 That music was also used in the "Master of Time" Ocarina of Time romhack in the cow slaughterhouse. I recommend ZFG's playthrough. I did a bit of research and it's from the Doom 2 OST.
i love going back to youtubers old videos before they knew how to put on the content voice. AsumSaus sounds like hes on the verge of tears in "low tier oddities" compared to his newer content.
What most people don't know, even from this video, is that G&W judgement numbers also reset after every stock. That's how you can do multiple 9's in a row. Which means, after every stock, your first judgement has the best chance of giving you a good number, including 9. It's worth going for.
I was playing G&W vs. a friend and got two nines in a row once. It was on 20XX so I'm pretty sure that's why it happened, but it was still sort of like seeing a double rainbow in your living room.
Love the new video style. I definitely miss the old ones as well but I'm happy to see a new member of the melee community doing in depth explanations on stuff like this
This is the video that made me subscribe. It's for two reasons. 1. Doom 1993 sounds. These are in most (if not all) of your videos but it makes me happy every time 2. The Pannenkoek reference. GOLDEN
Neat video! I was surprised you didn't talk about Peach's fsmash, where the last value is stored instead of the two last values a la GnW's Judge, but then I supposed that you really just wanted to showcase the low-tiers.
the G&W-Judgement thing is actually pretty interesting to me-- its a move that has Nine Options, but only Seven are 'available' to the player (because it will NEVER re-roll the most-recent Two)
Ness's yoyo glitch and shock jacket are really fun to practice and use when playing with friends. Way too difficult to pull off consistently in tournament settings, but when you're just messing about it feels like playing 3d chess lol
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“I wanna do the yo-yo glitch, please teach me the yo-yo glitch!”
*But Ness did not answer. He just kept on yo-ing.*
😂👌
Lol
yoing
Oh kay
Yo
I like that Bowser Just "Can't".
Lmao
Hey, he's not wrong
I hate how DJNintendo no longer does well with him. His Bowser was godly until 2017
I thought kirby was considered the worst in melee?
@@jazzabighits4473 yeah, but at least his recovery is not as bad as Bowser's
maybe the real grab range is the friends we made along the way
The friends we "lost" along the way.
or it could be my mains right arm. we'll never know
Isnt this hbox's tweet
I don't follow hbox's twitter
hot take but maybe you shouldn't "grab" your friends
i never even knew i wanted a vsauce style melee video until now, so thank you
hahha
as soon as I heard the familiar songs, I knew some ish was gonna go down
vSaus
Pancake style*
Asum =awesome saus =sauce awesome sauce huh
Link's nair stays out that long because it's the only move in the game with no flag for the hitbox ending, so the hitbox ends on the same frame as the endlag by default (frame 39). Funnily enough, its IASA frame (frame 36) comes 3 frames sooner than the move ends so you can effectively cancel it like a street fighter normal.
that's actually really interesting.
That is really interesting but your icon is weirding me out.
So, if autocancelled it is the safest move on shield ?
@@mario-nk7be "Safe" is very relative. Depending on spacing, positioning, sometimes the stage, and your opponents character a move can range from being very safe, to not safe on shield at all. If you define safest as a move that leaves you the most positive then i think that would be peach fc fair.
game & watch uptilt hitbox also has no ending
Lmao I’m the GaW at the end, Kuya, Im glad I was able to showcase some of his blessed RNG
Ur sick dude I saw you murking people at a CFL smackdown once, infinite respect for the low tier dual main hustle
I appreciate that man, I just want to show people that there’s so much more to the game
You're one of my favorite players!
are you a filipino?
@@AspectCave yup :)
I like the pannenkoek bit about GnW 9 lmao
God, same. I lit up when the music started playing.
Shair but what is half a judgement??
Its my favourite style of video presentation for sure.
@@shanemiller1182 a judgement is a judgement, you can't say it's only half.
Was enjoying the video up until that point. Then, I subscribed.
"You can do beautiful things with any grab, even a low tier's"
Kirby might have something to say about that
He said low tier, not bottom tier
Oh that was a bitch move
Donovan H. LMAO okay you’re right. Kirby jumping off stage to his own death is quite glorious ngl
@@ObliCold bottom is low. Just very low
Chillava
um excuse me what about backthrow off the edge for suicide 😤😤
That double Game & Watch 9 was clutch as fuck
Maybe I'm missing something, but where in the video is there a double G&W 9?
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 7:12
@@justinran1693 TY
Pure skill*
dang lafave bros likes melee too I'm subsribed to the right guys.
I never knew AsumSaus was pronounced AsumSaus until AsumSaus said AsumSaus in this AsumSaus vid. I always said it as AsumSaus myself... Whoops.
I always read wrongly and said *_"AsumSamus"_*
@@sabakutheapostle2687 Same, my life fell apart when I realized there was no M in Saus
@@sabakutheapostle2687 Oh my god me too
Palut0zen 17 don’t you mean “AsumSummus”
aysum sauce
Here's a really cool one you missed: Game and Watch can't be down-thrown by a bunch of characters, but only if he has port priority.
For some reason, if the other player has port priority, dthrows that cause you to come into contact with the ground (a few examples being all 3 Mario Bros, Samus, and Yoshi) will cause Game and Watch to just hit the ground and immediately go into a techchase, similar to what Fox and Falco's dthrow does naturally. For many characters, GnW can tech roll away before they are even out of lag.
So let's take Doc for example. If Doc has port priority, Doc has a dthrow->fair kill confirm from about 60% to about 10,000%. He also has combos off of dthrow and getting grabbed in general is super dangerous for GnW. But what about if GnW has port priority? Doc's dthrow now will put GnW on the ground, which he can tech in place dtilt before Doc can do anything except shield. He can also tech roll away for a full reset to neutral, so Doc's grab becomes pretty much useless in most situations. Doc loses his bread and butter way to kill Game and Watch, and the matchup completely changes, all because of which ports you decided to plug your controller into.
Woah
How does this translate to slippi online?
Wow...
i must forever embed this into my mind
@@dieg2063 wait really? Cause I remember doing that once and my friends were all confused back in 2014 at our locals, i was GnW for a bit to warm up a bit and have a little fun then my bud MarioSanicSnax his gamer tag here at our locals picked his main DocMario as he loves Dr.Mario games a lot. Forgot what port i put it in and as he was about to do his BnB i managed to tech it and he was wtf?! Same with me and also our friend Connor. Now i know why which is odd to hear tbh of the port glitch
Here's another cool fact about Link:
Once a character grabs ledge, almost every character has to wait 7 frames before they can act out of the ledge grab animation and do whatever you want to do from ledge. But for some reason, Link only has to wait 3 frames before he can drop away from ledge, so he can ledgestall with full intangibility and do ledgedashes a lot faster than almost every other character.
One of my favorite quotes from MagicScrumpy is that low tiers are low tiers because they have one huge weakness, but if they didn’t have that one weakness they’d be higher tiered. For example, most of them are weak to l-cancelled moves, while high tiers have answers and options for the same situation
@@swordsmancs you mean crouch cancelled moves?
But he only has 33 frames instead of 37 frames of ledge intangibility
Link also has 4 less frames of ledge intangibility, so it evens out and may make him worse as a side effect.
2:37 Okay, you played my brain like a damn fiddle. I was thinking "huh, this is like a Pannen transition slide..."
AND THEN IT WAS A PANNEN VIDEO.
AND THEN VSAUCE YOU LEGEND
ua-cam.com/video/NBIcvTNdpTI/v-deo.html
Love how when that one Ness player sets up the yoyo, the commentators react, clearly knowing where this is going.
Well hey, low-tiers need to have some things that make them unique.
Yahoo.
@Anti Lag is Love I think so. Every where I turn, I see him
@Anti Lag is Love same
@@davidbass3178 same
@Anti Lag is Love Emm Bee Sea is the Justin Y of lot of things. VGM channels is another one.
...
Ok, nothing else comes to mind.
Wow never knew someone isn’t allowed to comment damn you guys annoying
The mario recovery is basically rivals of aether recovery, super interesting.
i wouldnt be surprised if Melee Mario was the inspiration behind RoA letting you walljump out of recovery
Nah I can see that just being thought of, considering there was no ledge mechanic.
Ayy, another rivals of aether player! What’s up?
ayy
up air
This video really just keeps on giving, you are such a blessing
2:41 when it plays that Mario music you know it's going to be talking about half a presses, an insane amount of math, and scuttlebugs
If you didn't get the joke it means it's like going to and a half a press speed run
Loving the Doom SFX in your videos. Really adds an interesting layer to such a friendly-appearing game.
2:24 Rivals of Aether recoveries be like:
Thats only the surface of weird Link shit. Catch me flying through the air and glitching through walls
This was actually a pretty neat informational vid, I'd love to see more like this soon!
People are still picking apart this broken ass mess 18 years later.
Melee will live forever
Purple Monkey I’ll take a broken ass mess over a boring ass mess any day
@@H-kun-bc6ox Rome will never fall
@Gianluca Tartaro ah yes. The "no longer at evo and dwindling numbers" strongest competitive community of melee. Yall numbers up yall just dont seem to know yet
@Gianluca Tartaro Isnt it also one of the most Toxic ones?
I love how much Paper mario 2 music you use in your videos dude. It's always good to find another fan.
The Pannenkoek reference lmaoooo classic.
Where
@@vladislavl.5103 No
@@IAm-zo1bo 😂😂
@@vladislavl.5103 So, where?
Ah, 2:37. Other comment pointed it out.
I guess every single thing that uses that music is automatically a panne reference now
1:17 saus saying "Link" like a disappointed Parent reminds me of Dan from Game Grumps saying "Arin" in that way XD
that was a 10/10 vsauce parody, the writing style was spot on
When you invent footstools one game early.
i love how passive your voice is in this video
2:04
"...it's mario."
😂😂😂
0:57 That music was also used in the "Master of Time" Ocarina of Time romhack in the cow slaughterhouse. I recommend ZFG's playthrough.
I did a bit of research and it's from the Doom 2 OST.
The fact that the SM64 menu theme has become the Go To standard for explanations makes me unreasonably happy.
0:34 the calm “what is this shit”
i love going back to youtubers old videos before they knew how to put on the content voice. AsumSaus sounds like hes on the verge of tears in "low tier oddities" compared to his newer content.
These videos are just outrageously high effort and it's appreciated.
Thank you for continuing to make vids after all that trouble from these last few months.
The amount of work in detail that went into you mimicking vsauce was awesome. The editing and canter of your voice were perfect
AsumSaus, tier me like one of your Italian plumbers
Seriously, god-tier thumbnails every time. Love it.
I thought you were gonna show off Kirby's tragic mechanical flaws for a whole 7.5 minutes
I have come to grant you good news, 2 years later
@@Soulraven2735 I already saw that video he just made lol
What most people don't know, even from this video, is that G&W judgement numbers also reset after every stock.
That's how you can do multiple 9's in a row. Which means, after every stock, your first judgement has the best chance of giving you a good number, including 9. It's worth going for.
This is the best video i have seen in forever
I was playing G&W vs. a friend and got two nines in a row once. It was on 20XX so I'm pretty sure that's why it happened, but it was still sort of like seeing a double rainbow in your living room.
What if Marth wanted to grab Ness, but Ness said "Thunderjacket"
The Pannenkoek reference when youtubers explain game tricks warms my heart every time
Love the new video style. I definitely miss the old ones as well but I'm happy to see a new member of the melee community doing in depth explanations on stuff like this
Bowser being in "Can't" tier always wrinkles my face.
*If vsauce made a smash video:*
time to reply because you have a checkmark next to your name
The hell is this channel
@@krallakrulla3053 I have no idea
@@krallakrulla3053 using money to make said money for virtual items
4:27 remember: Yoshi's giant nose that extends way out beyond his body is half the reason this looks as jank as it does.
No I think it’s because Marth grabs across a platform is why it looks weird but don’t quote me on that
@@wonderguardstalker hes grabbing yoshis nose. So the original comment is right.
I loved this style of content. I’d honestly love to see more!!
Uh, I'm pretty sure that Falco Drawing in a thumbnail is from a Rule 34 pic lol. Sick af video tho, never knew I needed this.
Yes, the original artist is SethPup.
He’s a known furry
The Doom music and sound effects were beyond amazing for the aesthetics. ❤️
HE DOES SOUND LIKE HE’S ON THE VERGE OF TEARS LMFAOOOO
Genuinely my favourite UA-cam channel right now, keep it up mate
Yoooooo my PM mod got featured lmao! I completely forgot about that, I made it like 2 years ago
Which one?
@@spinegun Marth with a giant hand
@@Logic-ys7rw zamn
I literally rewatch the first fifteen seconds of this nearly every day before bed because it's just perfection with the music and sound effects.
Pannenkoek2012 and Vsauce styled videos in one. My dreams are becoming real
i’m loving the new content! it so good to see my favorite melee channel back at it!
0:27 Hearing the camel sound from Age of Mythology here always kills me.
2:40 gave me strong pannenkoek vibes, mostly because of the music
That's because it's a direct reference, even down to the visuals.
@@hajilee4539 yeah probably, he sounds like him in that segment as well
6:12 you can hear the game commentator say “uh oh” when Ness pulled out the yo-yo, because he knew exactly what was about to happen
This is the video that made me subscribe. It's for two reasons.
1. Doom 1993 sounds. These are in most (if not all) of your videos but it makes me happy every time
2. The Pannenkoek reference. GOLDEN
AND ALSO 0:55 HAS BEEN STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR SO LONG BECAUSE THE UBERDANGERESQUE VOICE AND DOOM MUSIC MADE ME THINK I IMAGINED IT BUT ITS REAL
0:09 link was so fat he did damage even after the attack "ended"
I really like this style of video man. Keep up the sick stuff!
7:21 "kuya" is a Filipino word for big brother
Funny the yoyo glitch was the one thing I absolutely already knew about. Link's weird kick I didn't know though.
You still got that awesome thumbnail skill, well done
It's hilarious to me that someone losing a match because of Link's foot forcefield led to the best Melee channel on UA-cam
Clearly Link’s just wearing his heavy iron boots
Dudeeeeee this video was fun as hell to watch, especially for a lightweight Melee fan like me! This is some great content my dude!
more of this kind of vid PLEASE SANTA
The watch for rolling rocks TAS parody killed me. Pure genius.
I am blessed to see this right after upload
Mario’s just like, “Eh, screw it, I’m an RoA character now.”
This video is so fucking good.
Neat video! I was surprised you didn't talk about Peach's fsmash, where the last value is stored instead of the two last values a la GnW's Judge, but then I supposed that you really just wanted to showcase the low-tiers.
He was wearing iron boots duh...
Love watching AsumSaus play a fun game parodying other playfully informative UA-cam channels
0:00 - 0:13
Golly, Doom Eternal sure looks good!
Good video. I love doing low-tier battles online so this content is always very interesting!
Low Tear Oddities
Holy shit. I've been subbed to you for a year and I always read you as Asum Samus. You saying AsumSaus blew my fucking mind
4:59 Fully expecting the bald guy to pop out and say “Hey Vsauce! Michael here” and tell us about melee
That's because you missed it at 3:54
the G&W-Judgement thing is actually pretty interesting to me-- its a move that has Nine Options, but only Seven are 'available' to the player (because it will NEVER re-roll the most-recent Two)
2:03 I laughed way too hard at this
Same I'm a sucker for stupid gags
The thumbnail
Mario:*DRAW A ME LIKE ONE OF YA FRENCH GIRLS*
LOL THE SM64 MUSIC AT 2:48
pannenkoek reference, i see?
Was expecting a compilation of low tiers. Was pleasantly surprised by the low tier tech analysis.
that thumbnail is perfect
The yoyo glitch is kind of cool.
For a psychic character it makes sense.
It’s not like Ness could possibly be more annoying anyways.
2:26 Rivals of Aether be like
the game and watch explanation of how judgement works actually is pretty usefull, have never ever heard that one in any place
7:07 "can't"
Ness's yoyo glitch and shock jacket are really fun to practice and use when playing with friends. Way too difficult to pull off consistently in tournament settings, but when you're just messing about it feels like playing 3d chess lol
I know shit just got real when the vsauce theme started playing in the background
I love how the Game and Watch Judge section is a pannenkoek reference.
6:22 sideways wavedashing Falco is the most disturbing thing I've seen this week. The music doesn't help
This was a really fun video thanks dude
2:10
Rivals of aether is that you?
the spectrobes music.... holy shit took me back to my DS days. i love your videos
1:57 i can't
Just wanna say how much I love you for playing some sweet paper mario TTYD music. Best mario game soundtrack ever.