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My Top Mice of 2021 for AIM and PERFORMANCE
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- 2021 brought with it plenty of great mice that I've been able to find success with. Here's hoping 2022 delivers on more amazing releases.
I'll be making another roundup video about my favorite pads in a week or two
I might tweet sometimes, give me a follow :) KraftyCraftKraf
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9:21 - Quick Lethal Skates Impressions
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I just want to say thanks for doing these videos, there is certainly some information I get from this channel, which I cannot find from others. Also, any unbiased review channel helps, as everyone is gonna have different opinions on mice, so it's good to get multiple perspectives. Here's to another year of mouse reviewing (:
Best mouse breakdowns on the market. I feel like I'm part of the secret mouse club because of how digestible your information is.
za 13 c has the best shape ive ever used. the back hump has the perfect size. good stability in your hand but also the abbility to freely move your mouse in your hand. it doesnt feel so bulky as the new 303.
RESPECT, you had ranked ZA-13 in 2nd place, I have ZA-12 right now, even after years of cycling between different mice and hundreds of dollars spent later, I still find it the best mouse for long term comfort and consistency, but hey it's part of the discovery, still haven't tried the ZA-13 through and with my hands at 19x11 I wonder if it's too small.
You actually made me bust out my G303. Congrats on 1k!! You deserve it man, legit the best review videos I've ever seen 😘😘
Thanks bb
Yours is coming soon 😘
@@KraftyCraftKraf hey, so I grip my gpx with a tilt claw grip. (my thumb and pinky meat touches the back of the gpx but my middle finger curves downwards lower than my index finger.) do you think i should get the g303? I have 19.5 x 10 hands
I love your analysis of each mouse. You talk about the shape and how it works with your grip, something I feel like is not focused on enough with other UA-camrs. The XM1R is my favorite mouse that couldn't work for me, I cant wait for the Xm1R Mini!
bests reviews on youtube by far. Congratz and ty for your content! :)
Our list is exactly the same with only the s2-c and za13-c switched. I heckin’ love the shroud g303 and I have pretty small hands. It’s the perfect shape for me.
You are naturally Really good at this
Love your content hope you continue to put out quality content in 2022 as well!
some of the best reviews i've seen in a long long time, congrats on 1k subs! ♡
Flawless video as per usual, I can only second everything you said about the XM1, GPX and NP-01 (I don't have the S)... We have slightly different grip styles (just the palm contact area) and I have the same exact issues with the XM1, GPX while for the NP-01 it's currently my main mouse and I also believe that Vaxee's click feeling reigns supreme on all the other mice I tried, the cable stiffness isn't a bother as just like you said, with proper cable management you can't feel a thing... Thanks for your uploads :)
Great well rounded video. Ty
S2 -C was the best mouse I ever used. It has incredible build quality no creaking or any out of the ordinary. IMO it Beat the GProwireless.
It's my current mouse, love the shape and weight .
I bought it few weeks ago, my aim really improved, it's a great mouse and I would recommend it
I bought the gpx and I 100% aim better with a few of the zowie mice
@@plasmamunchkin3400 Yes. Same.
I've got all the vaxee mice and the gpx but I'm just better on any iteration of the zowie mice, be it an EC to an FK series or S series. The shape are just better and weird part is, I didn't play much on zowie mice but their shapes share some key aspects features that you can freely swap from one to other and transfer some of your muscle memory which you can't do on weirder shapes like the vaxee mice.
@@wertyuiopasd6281 its worth a zowie mice for daily use and obviusly for gaming? im planning on buying a s2 c but dk if it gon be good as a main mice because i dont have other one.
i playlot of competitive games btw that may help.
Fantastic video.
I have the ZA13-c on the way
The EC2 was one of my favourite mice. And I always said the EC needed a bigger hump and lower front and that is the ZA series. However the S2 just didn't feel natural for me so I moved on. I think its as my natural claw is more aggressive Pincer closer to Knuckle claw.
Though right now I just got the SL-12 Phantom and wow is the weight impressive. Will be great to be able to compare these shapes.
Failing that I may try the Shroud G303 though when I had the old g303 for a while I wasn't a fan so I'm reluctant on that and think It might suit more a straight pincer claw.
And lastly the M2k...But that's a hefty one on the bank. But could suit my claw however I worry my claw Isn't aggressive enough. Watching N0ted get used to it has been a sight though.
The SL would be a great one for you to compare against these. I could be wrong with some grips, full palm maybe. But for most I think the SL's shape is better in every way to the G Pros super safe shape.
Thanks for the video and quality content as always.
I just upgraded from the Deathadder Elite to the Deathadder V2XH and i could not be happier, I love the shape of it, and the unique button placement is excellent, as the DPI buttons on all other deathadders are just not realistic to use for any in-game controls.
I keep looking at the deathadder and want to try the shape out, but I'm pretty sure that it'll be too large so I'm not jumping on it. Still intrigued though.
You know what my biggest problem was with the gpro x superlight, the fact that its almost an “in between” mouse.
It doesnt have a low profile shape like the xm1r (my favorite), and its also not an ergo shape like the ec series for example. Its just in between these, kind off. This gives it the famous status it has because it can reach any mouse user because the shape is so neutral. But…. I also believe that its therefore not perfect to pretty much anyone, because if you like the superlight you kind of need to ask why you like it more than other designs. I used it and then realized i like the low profile much more so switched to the xm1r. But i also have friends who used the superlight and switched to the much more ergo shapes, in this case the ec3 series. I could be completely wrong but i still believe this till this day.
Anyway great review!
That's almost exactly how I feel about the GPX as well. It's the most milquetoast mouse I've ever used but it kinda works because of that. You don't always need something that excels at a specific thing and sometimes a workhorse is good enough to get the job done. Still could be so much better if it had an actual shape though.
@@KraftyCraftKraf i agree, but i still believe that because of the neutral shape it cant be anyone his favorite mouse.
I just adore your videos
Honestly this was a good list. I've been wanting to try almost all these. I own like 10 mice. I've been on mz1 lately but I love the m42 shape because it's like a smaller xm1 but less quality. I think xm1mini would be endgame for me but I do need to try g303 and za13 and np01
Np01s
I like it when no one is talking about Orochi V2
Coming from the GPRO for around 2.5 years and fingertip gripping it switching from that to the G303 was insanely hard. Also, I tried fingertip grip with it and it was impossible but that could be the way I fingertip it. Then, with claw grip was many times more feasible than the fingertip but I still had issues which ended up being a deal breaker for me, the major one being how I would end up gripping it, as I claw gripped it my pinkie would end up "falling" off the mouse and drifting apart from it while playing. So, while holding it the left side of the mouse feels good but the right side ends up for me being too abnormal and end up trying to find the spot to place my fingers and putting them forward which felt awkward as well as causing the pinkie issue. So, now I'm returning it and going to be trying the Orochi V2 and the Hati S Wireless.
It requires a specific kind of grip. If that’s not how you naturally hold a mouse, then there’s no point in using then G303.
Agree with alot from this only thing is for me is i prefere the s2-c to the superlight purely because of the shape
corepad grips on the g303 shroud feel amazing if you haven't tried them out, theyre worth looking into
What’s the difference? The stock skates are really good already.
any thoughts on the viper mini or orochi v2? great vid btw and grats on 1k
Ty!
Both of those mice are enjoyable in their own ways and I was going to include them in an honorable mentions section, but I never ended up making that part to keep the video more focused.
The Orochi v2 is a very fun mouse to use and I have been consistently going back to it since release, but my performance is always a little too inconsistent for it to be a go-to. The claw-ftip hybrid I use has an excellent range of motion and feeling of freedom when combined with wireless, but it lacks some needed stability. Plus the high sensor position is kind of weird feeling and I've never preferred it over centered or low sensors.
The viper mini is a mouse I can aim very well on but it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly. There is this oddly curved spot on the side of the mouse where my ring finger always awkwardly hits which inhibits my ability to get a comfortable grip that doesn't hurt my hand after an hour or so. I could probably develop a new grip that doesn't hit this spot, but I'm not willing to put the time that requires because the mouse doesn't feel that high quality.
Just bought g303. it's being delivered today. I currently use Gpro superlight. can't wait to try g303
I hope Logitech releases an updated version of the g703
This man sounds like one of those auction guys
Dude his voice is relaxing ah
Excellent video. You've earned a new subscriber. Blown away to see the ZA-13 C on your list, now I am planning to buy one as I am a natural claw gripper.
I have a request though, can you please review the Redragon M988 Storm Elite? Redragon's highest-end mouse to date, I own it and loving it since the day I bought it. It is quite hard to find a good review of that mouse anywhere. Would love to hear your thoughts about the mouse.
I REALLY enjoy your reviews. Very well and in-depth. I feel absolutely the same about my current mouse the XM1 and wish they would make a wireless mini version. In the mean time, I'm considering getting the G303 SE (and modding with a smaller battery to get a 62 g weight). I liked the original G303, but thought it was a little too small. I think the new G303 SE is basically what I'm looking for, as I have the same grip type as you and nearly the same hand size (18 x 11). Do you still think the G303 SE is a good purchase or should I go for something like the Razer Viper Pro v2 as you describe as your new main?
If you like the G303 shape, just do the smaller battery mod and they’re nearly the same weight. You won’t feel the 3-5 gram difference imo
i so sad i found this channel so late, did u ever feel u wanted the g303 a bit small, like test ur hand curl and grip outside comfortably taking sometime, and then maybe like u atleast wanted g303 a teeny bit smaller, thanks in advance. please suggest me alternatives to this niche g303 grip style category, aggressive stressed claw
What mouse do you think works best for pincer grip between the Viper v2 pro and the NP_01s?
Hey mate, old time competitive-style PC gamer and I've always been a wired mice user (+bungee) because of latency and battery issues with wireless mice (from way back - 2011+ god, I feel old). These issues kinda stirred me away from using any wireless mice all these years.. As you are probably more knowledgeable, is it better now? Have you noticed any difference with wired and wireless mice in terms of speed nowadays? Cheers.
Great video, btw - short and direct. Love it!
Yeah, it's way better than the early implementations. Modern wireless gaming mice from large companies will perform just as well as wired options, and in the case of Logitech or Razer, even better. You will never feel it perform worse aside from a placebo. If anything, I think Logitech's hero sensor feels better than most wired mice. It's crazy smooth and crisp feeling. Battery life is getting really good too. Logitech mice and will last you a couple weeks per charge, razer is just slightly worse, battery-powered ones last a couple months, and even the worst rechargeable options last at least a couple of days.
The only concern you should ever have is that you may get interference if you live in a densely populated apartment block from there being many 2.4 GHz devices in close proximity. But every other situation works perfectly.
If you want to see some cool data about wireless performance you can check out the written reviews on techpowerup, they give very detailed data about sensor latency, and OptimumTech here on youtube also does a similar thing in a very digestible format.
@@KraftyCraftKraf Excellent thanks for that. It's good to know after all these years now, it's finally mature.
Oh, one more thing. With the wireless mouse dongle... Now, that you mentioned latency... Is it ok to just plug it in the keyboard USB slot so it's closer? Would that affect input latency, or is it still recommended to plug in the top USB ports of the back I/O (like for wired options)?
My PCs are all under my desk because I do a lot of testings for my channel and don't have enough space in the desk for the PCs. I'm just worried that may affect response if the desk acts as a barrier. Cheers.
All wireless mice come with a usb to micro/usbc charging cord and an adapter for the dongle to allow it to act like an extender. You can very easily run the cord up next to your mousepad and plug the dongle in there to ensure no interference happens. You’d probably be fine without the extender but this configuration is what’s always recommend by manufacturers.
So close to 1k, 999 subs on my screen. Let's get 1k!
Coool. My hand and grip is like yours. Gonna get g303 s now
I totally agree with you on the G303.. this mouse is so weirdly excelent.. its a must try mouse for sure..
I have a small/regular hand size of 18cm/9cm so i can barely reach the front side button and guess what ??? i dont care at all because everything else is perfect.
I got the G Pro Superlight and i like it alot, the problem i got with it and the same referes to the XM1 is when i play vertical games like for example Apex, or Halo. I just dont get a relaxed, confident grip on theese shapes, its just not working. Its hard because i played PUBG for the last 5 years and i thought i will never need another mouse ever again. Well.. since i play Apex i just realized i need to increase my sensitivity or look for another mouse.. hmmmm.. easy choice.. G303 😂 At the beginning whenever i played PUBG i imediatly went for my G Pro Superlight, now after 2 weeks with the G303 i just realized that the G303 its an overall better mouse for me. Glad i watched your review man.. 👍
Also agree on a Superlight version.. Why ??? Because if you love a mouse at 75g you will adore it a 50g its just simple physics, now be carefull because its not working the other way arround. DO IT LOGITECH.. Ohh yeah.. just bring the side buttons back a little bit 😉
Your thumb might just be really far back. I think the side buttons are pretty perfect. I hit the front button with the tip and side of my thumb and the back button with the joint.
I'm pretty sure I have the same grip as you, I use hati-s, but you made me want to try the g303 and za13-c, have you ever tried the hati-s , and if you did what do you think about it ? Would it be worth "upgrading" to one of the other 2 mice ?
I've never tried the Hati-s. I was waiting for the wireless to get cheaper but it's only gone up and availability is trash so I'm probably not getting to it for a while.
Those two mice are still excellent and always worth considering, so think about if a more aggressive shape would work out better for you.
What's your hand size? I've been wanting to try out either the za12 or za13 and the s2 but 21x11 makes it reallllly hard to find something that feels just right (za11 and s1 just didn't hit the spot.) I think I agree with the g303 at number one but I personally hate the coating on the sides lol.
My hands are 18 * 9-9.5 cm. I need to stop forgetting to mention that in future videos.
I'm surprised none of the EC shapes made it to your list.
While I really enjoy EC shapes, the criteria I put on the list prevented them from making it. My aim style is quite different on those mice. It's much calmer which does make my performance quite consistent, but my control over slanted designs isn't as good so there is always an element of awkwardness to them that makes it hard to potentially main one. EC style mice are fun to use and a nice change of pace from symmetricals, but they could never be the go-to mouse for me, only an interesting option to have on the side that could bring some variety.
@@KraftyCraftKraf That's also how I find the EC shapes. Much more calmer to use, which in effect is easier to clutch with in sweaty situations. My aim is still way better when I'm on the NP-01s though. The NP-01s is the mouse where I usually get to top frag, but the EC shapes (Outset, EC3) are the mice where I 1v6 clutch in Apex. It's really a tough choice for me which one to main, but at the moment I'm leaning towards the EC3 because my hand naturally tilts.
What do you think about Race mice? the viper mini and ultimate?
The viper mini has potential but I would have to adjust my grip to get comfortable with it and I'm not willing to put in the time required to do this when the mouse doesn't feel that quality and has issues that bother me like a high lod and shitty cable. I would be super down to try the upcoming mini ultimate and get used to the shape. I haven't tried the viper ultimate yet because I'm not a huge fan of larger fk style mice and it hasn't quite hit a price point where I would be willing to give it a shot yet.
Very nice video, as an enthusiast I love to listen to other people opinions. Can you share your hand size?
18 * 9-9.5 cm
all personal preference aint it, im refunding the g303se gave it a month of use, id play better with a track pad than that ha, i might try that ZA13-c next, i use xm1r atm which i am liking just seeing what else out there, is it a old mouse cant see it on amazon
@kraftycraft can u tell me what ur hand mesurements are? thx, great channel
Thanks for watching, 18 * 9-9.5 cm
do you use corepads on the g303? wondering how they compare to stock for val
also just curious if you score better in aim trainers with the za13 over the g303? I struggle to break scores w/ the g303 cause of the weight but it's so natural to hold and aim in-game
No, I'm still using the stock ones. They're not terrible so I'm going to wait for pulsar's glass skates to come out and test those on it.
I do score consistently better with the za13 and I'm still seeing steady improvement as my grip on the shape develops. It feels excellent for mouse control and edges out the g303 for all scenarios except large-angle stuff where they start to feel pretty even due to the g303's more locked in grip. The g303 still feels more practical in-game, but the za13 is such an aim trainer demon that my mouse control with the shape might get good enough to justify maining it.
The za13 is noticeably lighter than the g303, but not by a whole lot. It's weight is at a spot where it feels like a bridge between the standard and lightweight mice so it should feel a little better. You're a static main iirc so I can understand the appeal of using low weights to cheese speed, but my aim feels particularly snappy on the za13 because of how you can hold the hump and put force into the mouse. It could be worth giving the mouse a shot if you are willing to put the time to learn a more ape-y style.
@@KraftyCraftKraf yea I've been waiting for the za restock for a while and can't help but be curious about it in the meantime. I should just settle with the g303 but feel like there's something out there I haven't tried that can provide both the great mouse control for trainers and comfort ingame
have you tried the old g302/303? would you compare it through the shroud edition?
No, I was never interested in the shape until I tired the shroud edition. I might give the shape a shot in the future, though, because of how much I like the design.
@@KraftyCraftKraf heck yeah I really like who detailed your reviews are, I will wait for that :D
#hashtag good stuff man
Good Job! Did you check RJN grip style video?
My grip style
Anchored
Straight
Hybrid Palm
Relaxed Fingertip
Wheel Tips
Separated
with 18.5x11cm
Whats your style?
Not sure if the relaxed fingertip is fine for the g303 SE.. its a damn on/off relationship for me
I just checked it out. It's an okay system to develop a grip shorthand, but it's a little lacking imo. The palm contact section needs to specify where on your hand the mouse makes contact and including the angle you hold the mouse at relative to your arm but not the angle you tilt your wrist relative to the table is really weird. I might make a future video where I steal the idea of the shorthand system but expand upon it further to try to make it more useful for shape recommendations.
Using his system, my grip style is: Anchored, Straight, Hybrid Palm, Claw, Wheel/Behind sometimes, Separated, 18 * 9-9.5 cm.
Yeah, the g303se sounds pretty clunky for ftip, but I can still see the potential in getting a solid grip on it.
@@KraftyCraftKraf regarding to his Guide, i use relaxed Fingertip. I thought it was relaxed claw. Just switched to GPX back and it feels more comfy
@@KraftyCraftKraf thx for reply and content
Are you maining the g303?
Hello , i have a question abt my next buy if u can help , iplay tac shooter mostly valorant , i tried many mouses (zowie ec , g403, viper mini , fk2 , hati s , kpu ,np01s , orochi V2, and zowie s2) i perform insanely good with the zowie s2 as it give me insane stability and perfom really well (Sitting radiant rn). i wanna ask you for next purchase , for pure claw grip , should i go for the zowie S2-c or try the za13-c
The za13-c's shape is godly. You should definitely give it a shot if you've never experienced it before. It has super high potential.
Whats your handsize? I have 18by9 hands and found the g303 to big to have a comfortable or natural grip.
18 * 9-9.5
Size preferences are super personal and it depends a lot on grip style
Im trying so hard to figure out the section where you talk about how to grip the g303 i think im doing it how you desribe but im unsure i feel like i have so much potential on this mouse
Check the full review I have posted on the g303. There’s an in-depth explanation of the grip style I use that could be helpful.
I'm rooting for a super light g703 😆
I had to check the playback speed because the video felt sped up
do you think i can pull off a relaxed claw/carpal stabilized claw on the xm1r? when they release the wireless if it's competitive ill probably pick it up or the orochi v2. thanks for any help!
Yeah that grip style should work fine. It's tall enough that you should be able to make contact in that top area of your palm when you set your hand down flat.
@@KraftyCraftKraf thanks!
Thank you for all these detailed reviews
What would you consider for a 18x10 pincer/relaxed claw grip ? I can’t choose between XM1R, S2 and ZA13
The za13-c is definitely the top recommendation. It should work out great for your grip style and its an incredible shape overall. The s2 is still a good option if you don't like mice that have an aggressive design and want something that is comfortable and more neutral feeling. Then the xm1r is only for you if you want a larger mouse that fills your hand as much as possible and provides maximum stability.
Bro i have confusion BTW s2-c and za13-c i don't know which one to choose (i use viper mini claw grip)
The za13 should be a better fit for you. The front end is going to feel similar to the viper mini but the back is much higher so it’ll fill out your hand far more and give more support. The s2 on the other hand is larger than the viper mini in every way so it might get a little clunky and the top is flatter which gives it a different feel.
I love you
I have 18.5by 9.5 hands , i play fingertip/palm grip hybrid ! Best mice for me? Thank you
It's hard for me to judge what would work for a grip like that but I think the zowie fk series mice would work the best for this style. They're long so you can extend your hand out for a fingertip grip but still have the mouse hit your palm a little. The fk2 should be a good size but the fk1 could also work if you like larger mice and really want your hand filled out more. Still, I'm out of my element recommending for this grip.
have you tried the finalmouse starlight s ?
No, not yet. I've gotten fucked by every drop and haven't been able to try one out yet. I'll keep trying and maybe a drop will go my way in the future.
being the extreme normie that I am, I can only say that I loved my Xm1r, and I am not letting go of my superlight.
Have you tried the NP-01?
Yeah I have and I like it overall. The shape is very well designed and it feels comfortable and consistent in-game, but the back is so large that it creates too much contact with my palm and makes the whole mouse feel excessively clunky and hard to finely control.
do you play apex? what is ur fav mousepad and ur rank ?
Yeah I play some apex. Just pubs though, there are more efficient methods of self harm.
Recently, the Saturn has been my go-to. My tracking always feels more consistent when I have some extra friction and the Saturn does a good job of giving that without any muddiness. I've been enjoying its smoothness as well.
I kinda want to swap my OrochiV2 to a Xm1r
do u think the xm1r is better than the model o
Quality wise, it's going to feel miles better but their shapes are very different so that's something you will always have to consider.
Can I ask how big your hand is ?
Yeah it’s 18 * 9-9.5 cm
He speaks with his hands lmao 🤣
You have the g303 and Zowie ahead of the GPX 🤣🤣 and no razer viper 🤦♂️
M2k doesn’t make the list?
The m2k is really good and I like using it a lot, but it doesn't really fit in on the list. It feels so unlike anything else and it takes me like a week to even get comfortable with it again and even longer before I'm performing well. The performance ceiling of the mouse is undeniable but it's not something that I could pick up and feel great on in no time like the rest of the mice on this list. I feel like it belongs in its own category far away from my personal top mice list.
The way you grip mice is so different from me, I can't exactly use this video as a buying guide
wonder egg was good
What about the m2k legit best god tier mouse
The m2k is really good and I like using it a lot, but it doesn't really fit in on the list. It feels so unlike anything else and it takes me like a week to even get comfortable with it again and even longer before I'm performing well. The performance ceiling of the mouse is undeniable but it's not something that I could pick up and feel great on in no time like the rest of the mice on this list. I feel like it belongs in its own category far away from my personal top mice list.
That’s a fair take hsk,m2k and ul2 are my top 3 as I only finger tip temped to buy the star light phantom.
why no mz1 ? :(
I haven't tried it yet. The shape doesn't seem that interesting to me and I don't think that it would be something I'd like. I might try the mouse out if it gets updated in the future but I'm not eager to try it out in its current state.
@@KraftyCraftKraf I use the same grip as you, I prefer all contact on back part of pinky/ ring finger pads, the MZ1 forces you to grip it differently, the hump is too large and gets rid of the freedom for this grip style. So far the viper mini is the best I have aimed with. Trying the NP-01s rn but I don't have as much freedom as with the viper mini. I have the 303s otw, I love your videos!
I wonder if anyone said hati s
Bad video for me but Nice!
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Lame video. Razer pwns, way better sensor and click latency. G303 sensor superlight sensor are flawed compared to razer focus sensors. Razer optical switches are better than Logitech. O wait logitech finally went optical with g502.
G303 sensor is crap btw
all these mouses are got shit on buy controller aim assist a sad reality
try to talk slower is annoying