does anyone else get low key annoyed when Si doms are telling a super long detailed story that wasn’t asked for? I find myself sitting back thinking “ok so what’s the conclusion... what are you trying to get at? I don’t need all these details” but I force myself to politely listen to the whole story. It’s different when i’m actively present and eager to hear their story (then it’s brilliant!), but most of the time that’s just not the case 😅
This is exactly what happens with me (probably an ENTJ) and my mother (probably an ISFJ). She often tells me about something happened at her work, mentioning the names and procedures which distracts me from understanding her point. When she finishes, I summarized what she said in three sentences. In contrast, when I describe an event, I usually say the result or whatever has the biggest impact first.
If it makes you feel any better, we get annoyed because your stories are incomplete. What were they wearing? What exactly did they say? Where were you guys sitting? Who else was around? TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!! I’m ISFJ and my husband is ENFP. I get so annoyed because he doesn’t tell any stories in order or with the appropriate details and I constantly have to ask a ton of questions to get a complete story.
@Has Goodles when it comes to more than organizing things I'm quite helpless. But, if left alone I can get things very organized. Anything requiring actual mechanical skills though, forget it. Thankfully, my particular job is fairly well suited to my INTJ self. With the exception of when I have to deal with people.
As an Ni dom, I always like to explain an ordered concept, then I throw in a concrete example, the Ni-Se axis at play. For example, I talk about nearsightedness, then I talk about its difficulty in reading road signs. Just realized this^ comment alone is Ni-Se axis at play as well.
Ni dom: blahblahblah *talking about the concept* that's why blahblahblah *proceeds to throwing in examples* *proceeds to hoping people get the concept explained*
I do that too as an INFP! (Ne-Si axis). I believe this has to do with being an intuitive first, probably! I have a hard time throwing concrete examples too... I always talk about the concept first, difference is, I'm messy about it. And when I need to prove something, my masculine Si tries hard to give concrete examples 😂
Thinking further about it, I do talk about the concept but I probably take it from a concrete example. Ex: I see someone asking for money in the street, so I immediately think about the concept of poverty in society and I talk about it as a general concept. Does it make sense?
I'm very much in the Se camp. I struggle with trying to talk about something in a chronological order. I have to write down all the things I can think of about what happened, then try to put this random pile of memory bits into chronological order. Without that coping mechanism, my stories of what happened tend to run in circles and skip around all over the timeline.
I'm Se inferior. I struggle with the whole thing. When explaining in a chronological order, I trail off into details, then get back on topic. It's usually too confusing for the listener, so I avoid the whole fiasco when I can. It's like, before I explain something I need to explain the rationale.
This is super fascinating. My writing style has always been weird, and I despise the SAT/GRE style of writing where everything has to be organized on the spot. While writing, I go through a phase of "word vomit" where I literally just slap things and concepts down on the pages. Sometimes its phrases, sometimes it's chunks of sentences. After I'm done producing all of the content, I go back in and string the concepts in an order that makes sense to me (usually categorically) 😌 -Probable INFJ
I'm INFP and I appreciate your use of concrete (sensory) examples. So many don't include those. Then I checked the stats for Sensors in the US - *seventy five percent*. No wonder so many people hate school and don't read books. And no wonder video is getting more popular
Se would probably hate it but Si doesn’t mind reading. Also, books require the use of your brain and it also takes longer to get to the ending. Not to mention, it’s your responsibility to get there on your own. Meanwhile, videos don’t use any of your brain’s power if you don’t want them to and they already have a set time in which you should finish them.
I've just noticed how this applies to communication issues my ISTJ husband and I sometimes have. If we're talking about concrete sensory sort of things I'll say something that had absolutely nothing to do with the last sentence either of us said, which confuses him because he assumes I'm still talking about that last thing. Reminds me of how you said there's a proper order or progression with Si. Whereas I'll just jump around. But with abstract intuitive subjects I love to stick to one idea and deep dive.
Another totally different way to look as the sensory functions rather than how they behave relative to time, is how they literally perceive information. This is one of hardest things to fully explain to others in the Mbti realm but I’ll try to write my thoughts out. Se is a little easier, I think it’s like the more in the moment and “real” sensory function. An Se user perceives sensory information in a very objective factual way. “It is what it is” no strings attached type thing. Now Si however is very weird. It’s like getting a ‘vibe’ from something that you perceive, solely based off the sensory information it gives off. For me personally (INTP) tertiary Si with my dominant Ti makes for some very odd ways of perceiving and understanding things, and it makes it hard to explain concepts in my mind. But for example, in like edm music, there’s all kinds of crazy weird unnatural sounds. But to my Si when I hear them, I get like a whole vibe off of one sound. I kinda get an image in my head and almost like the emotion or feeling that sound gives off , what I actually perceive is literally the subjective impression that sound gives me, it takes a lot of focus and effort to make myself objectively hear the sound, and not hear all the noise in my head that the sound impresses upon me, does this make any sense? IMO this may be why Si users have the stereotype of having better memories, because when you perceive things through Si, it is made into something more than what it is in reality, it is our brain attaching subjective meaning to the things we perceive, perhaps making it easier to identify later or remember/store/catalogue. Pleas let me know your thoughts, I can try to elaborate if I’m not making any sense.
After trying to figure this out by reading/watching content, your comment just made Si a lot clearer! It does make sense, your example of the sound giving you a "vibe" and not just being a sound is really interesting. Do you have more precisions on that? Like what would be something that the sound makes you remember? I'm just thinking as I'm writing it, but as an INFP having Ne then Si, it's blowing my mind how I just realized I'm slightly doing that. Thanks for your comment, have a great day :)
Basically you're talking about synesthesia. As someone who shares you're Ti primary and Si tertiary I know exactly what you're talking about. Ask me what color the number 5 is.
The categorical yet pogo-stick nature of Se is spot on!! It is also incredibly interesting to watch my Fe/Ne dom sister navigate conversation because she doesn't stay in the same category she is always communicating her concern with other people and then she switches to a whole new topic... And yet, I think her Si keeps her chronological...
@@linyenchin6773 only within the deepest, hardest to reach part of myself do I allow that vulnerable truth prevail. She is indeed a flower. An obnoxiously sweet one.
I'm pretty sure I'm Se dominant and this video just made me realize that I'm EXTREMELY bad at explaining things that are not in the physical reality. At around 1:11 you talked about how you, as an Ni dom, usually talk about Mbti/OPS and how that is not something you can paint a picture with. I am horrible at explaining OPS to my family/friends because I don't know how to make them see the picture in my mind.. I always end my ramblings with "Please just watch some youtube videos, I'm horrible at this". ps.: I just reread my comment.. ugh look at me, using the exact time sensor or telling my family/friends basically "just watch some sensor".. once you see your pattern, it's just scary
I have an ESTJ friend (with secondary Si). Can she tell a story, thrown in with delicious tidbits that keeps one engaged. I asked how her holiday went recently, and for three hours, she regaled her adventures. It felt as if I literally was on the holiday with her. I enjoy that with Si. Also ... I notice that Si have a very high pain threshold. Have you found that? Se's are just as entertaining. I love to have Se's around me from time to time. It somehow makes me feel a little more "grounded" (as an Ni dom).
@@HTC115 I think it can be tedious at times, sure. It's a skill that I struggle to attain, so to see someone else do it so effortlessly is fascinating.
This was really interesting to me. As you talked about trains and pogo sticks, linear vs non-linear etc I kept asking myself what this all means. I’ve been given the narrowed down concepts but my Ti/Se brain begs for multiple sensory examples of what this looks like in real life. If I were to have enough examples then I could logic them into place and understand how the analogies and descriptions of Si and Se apply. Working my way from the concept to how it manifests is just not something I do well on my own.
Great differentiation, LiJo. Introverted sensing is so misunderstood in our community. Isn’t just tradition or memory- it’s about reference points. As an Se dom, I can tell you... I envy that with my pogo stick manner of communication! 🤪
@@naturalinstinct4950 I think you're both right. Si is about the things you said, but why do they find these familiar things so comfortable? Because these things do relate to reference points in their minds, conditioning.
@@andreagreenwood93 thought I personally don't find conditioning comfortable but rather dehumanising. but thats just my subjective opinion so you aren't wrong
@@naturalinstinct4950 I don't know if this clarifies anything but I didn't mean conditioning in the mindless Pavlov dog sense, I mean more like the reinforcement of the pleasantness of experiences by repetition. Something becomes comfortable only after you do it man times. Then it becomes a reference point for other things. "Is this thing similar to the things I'm comfortable with?" Seems like a common theme with people with strong Si.
Si = referencing a sensory story through chronological progression (they feel responsible for telling the order) Se = referencing a sensory story categorically, but chaotically (they feel responsible for including relevant sensory info from different time periods)
Si or Se has nothing to do with order, they are perceiving functions. MBTI websites and channels are spreading so much false, novice information out there it's cray cray. Everybody should learn instead from socionics. Also as far as time, Se doesn't go into different time periods, it's strictly here and now. If it goes into different time periods while talking, it's a mistyped Ne. Si doesn't care about order either, that would Ti or Te. Again, MBTI sources are so so bad they are confused about the most basic qualities of the functions.
@@choonblaze It's funny that you mention it, but while watching this video, I thought of Ne users, specifically Ne doms that 'pogo' around like crazy all the time and don't respect order. Funnily enough, those are also all Si users by defintion! I already had moments where an Ne user was so extreme at this, it got my inferior Ti kinda angry.
@@Usabell not respecting order would be a high Ti, low Te situation. Also hating tradition would be low Si so an ENTP would be a perfect candidate for an anarchist lol.
@@choonblaze Yep, I definitely know quite a few ENTPs who have a passion for hating on 'old values' and tradition, to a point where it becomes a bit laughable, as not everything 'old' is bad by itself, and their newest gadgets they are showing off all the time aren't always the best solution 😋 For me as an ENFJ Enneagram 1, it's more about how good and practical a solution is to me and those close to me, and I really don't care about what time period it's from 😄 But I love ENTPs to bits, as they are such great conversational partners, on a very high level that many others fail to keep up with 😊😍
@@Usabell I find ENTPs to be sketchy and can't trust them lol. I'm an ESTP so a different quadra. I can't relate to Si Ne. ENFJ on the other hand I trust and find them fun, same quadra, same values.
Having to find real-world sensory examples to slap in so I don't sound like a crazy person is very relatable as an INTJ haha. Then the Si doms want to get stuck on the thing in the example and I want to move on because I'm like, Noooo, that's not the point, it was just an example, a placeholder, it could have been anything! 🤦♀️ What's interesting to me is that intuitive types can sometimes go round and round talking in complete abstracts to each other and sometimes know exactly what kind of "situations" etc each other is referring to without any concrete examples- it's the underlying meaning that's understood. Sometimes it really is like speaking a different language.
Ik I'm late to this vid and convo but this paragraph accurately captures exactly what I tend to run into frequently. It's beyond annoying when people get stuck on the example or metaphor! I just ......no, that was a point why are we now redirecting the conversation towards that? Even worse is when at that moment past unrelated events they attach as a counter example are brought in as well further missing the actual point and structure attempting to be built. I'll just accept being an alien speaking to a wall of duh 😅@@InternetLiJo
This was such a good explanation of the difference. Thank you! I’m reaaally struggling to type myself but also am too poor to pay a human that knows what they’re doing so i really appreciate these informational videos 😁
I think I'm ENFP with really good Si or in a grip. It's like I'm stuck in the past with Si, I find it hard to move on and forget and care too much what people think. I've just had so much trauma maybe it's made me look outwards too much for validation and attention which is odd since I only started doing this when I turned 19, I was always happy alone without attention but now I crave it and seem like an unhealthy Fe though I'm not. It's like every day I ever lived was yesterday and I could write a book on it. I've typed for ESFJ and ESTJ, but I'm no Te Dom unless I have to use Te to pragmatically manage a group. And I thought I was Fe dom, but I've always been Fi user, escapist, sad at stuff, stuck in my ways, retreated, silent, and a bit hard to relate, but I am awfully altruistic and care about doing things right and positively changing people's lives and enriching them. I'm not ENTP since I clearly use more Te than Ti, I care for solid facts, truth, and external sources to make an iron-clad case vs Ti which makes convincing logical broad and abstract theories and arguments but they seem conspiratory and weird how they reach conclusions which can be right but it's sometimes as if only the Ti user understands their thinking. Of course as Ne users we both can come up with bullsh alternative facts and methods which I also stand by following my own ways and instructions that don't always follow direct orders.
I like the analogy at the start, quick thought that ill have to validate but as a visual intuitive: Listening to sensory should have concrete visualizations whereas listening to intuition causes my brain to simulate connections. Feels so obvious now that you've pointed it out
Lindsay, I really appreciate your discussion of how demon Se is used for saviour Ni, that scrambling to pull Se data points in. Even if I am Ni-dom, I notice I can come off as a little chaotic and scattered, but I don't feel like I'm trying to go from concept to concept, as much as I'm trying to find more support for my Ni train of thought. The stereotypical painting of Ni-dominants as being indistractible misses the point so often, so that little nugget you provided was beautiful. (I've been sick a lot and dealing with my health lately, and trying to balance work. But I still plan on doing more sessions with you. Love your insights.)
It is interesting how you mentioned Ni while talking about Se, but you didn't talk about how Ne complements Si. But I liked your accurate description of how Si looks back (like your analogy of a train going back). I think as an Ne-Si user, we are much more comfortable with situations which might be impossible in the sensory world. Really cute dog btw!
Ne-Si is finding pattern in the world and figure out what we should concretely do with it. For example, Ne: people who study stuff that will come out in the test usually pass the test, Si: I should study. As opposed to Ni-Si that makes patterns (aka find it within _themselves_ ) and identify concrete things to make it happen. Ni: I should pass the test. Se: study stuff that will come out in the test.
Yesterday, as I was walking outside, I spilled coffee all over myself; luckily I was wearing a rain jacket. So - you’ve got the walking, the carrying of the coffee, the drinking of the coffee, also, I’m talking, AND carrying a bag, PLUS trying to navigate directions; I just got a haircut, so I’m reflecting and basking in the relief of the awkwardness of that experience being over...dear God..a recipe for disaster. As I observed the spillage, all over my pretty rain coat, I thought to myself, “Why would the 3rd sip miss my mouth, but I did fine on the first two sips?” Lately I’ve noticed myself saying the word “sensing” outloud, when I trip, get tangled up in a cable, and all the rest. I just say “sensing.” But outloud. I’m not weird. -INFJ
This video mentions something I haven't seen anywhere else yet. I thought I was unstructured, because I sometimes go backwards on the timeline. I didn't think about this being ordered as well.
Se would describe the look, sound, ride, handling, speed of the boat, and how great it is for wakeboarding. Si would wonder if the boat is safe, reliable and whether the captain is trustworthy or they might be a boater too and take issue with how the captain operates and maintains the boat. With Si, it's my way or the highway.
Thing is, even if you are intuitive, it doesn't mean you can't do sensory talk.. Specially with time you learn how to talk like other people. So don't just type people on the way they talk.. people sometimes learn to be not as transparent as they could. So go deeper
Si is internal body intelligence. That means feeling what food is healthy, sex and comfort, massages, sensuality. If si is feminine in ops personality, it is also forgetful and not good with memory, but the internal changes or hormonal disbalance is felt fast. So often si works in health career too. Si masculine together with te doing (istj) is more the hard instruction type. Si in fact never acts alone, it works together with other cognitive functions. Si + fe plays a role in psychology and social care and si + ti in health care or medicine
Well it explains a lot of why I tend to lose people's attention when I jump all over the place when explaining something, which makes perfect sense to me but obviously not to them 😅 I think my memory is mainly the same way, I can struggle to remember a concept for itself but my memory for details is great.
This makes so much sense. I'm probably Se according to the vid. In my mind, instructions can be done independently in sections out of chronological order if needs be. The only reason why I don't do this is because I've got bad past experiences putting together stuff out of order (but it was fun).
the MAIN DIFFERENCE between Si and Se can be described as follows... Si = do you feel gas building up for a possible fart? - THATS Si. Se = did you hear someone (be it yourself or someone else) fart??? - THATS Se. a rather quick and humorously EFFECTIVE way i just thought of to describe the difference...
Si is dwelling and reliance on an environment and Se is an escape from that environment as far as following and intrigue in a compass and possible routes. Both are reliant on said environment with regards to choice without notion of expansion. Ti and Fi are similar as environment and resource are paramount.
Or you can say that Ni paints abstract art with people never being able to quite define what it is, while Si paints literal objects...and Se paints visceral or shock factor aesthetics? Or something kinesthetic or interactive art ...Lol --infj.
As an INTJ I like talking to ESFJ’s because they talk so much with Si info it’s like exercise for my brain and then I can help them see the big picture and give them the space to use their Ne. It broadens both of our minds
So, I just listen to your video about Se versus Si. As an ENFP with Si last, I can relate a little bit, a tiny bit, to the guy you heard on the radio who was irritated about various aspects of the pandemic not being respected. (I think that was the topic.) Anyway, where I related to it is I get mildly, well maybe not mildly irritated when it's the middle of January or worse February and people still have their Christmas Lights up 😮. I think Christmas lights should come down the day after New Year's. No exception.
This makes sense when I apply it to driving. Some people will pogo from one lane to another to get through the sensory and others will stay in one lane and go under the speed limit as if they don't see the signs or everyone else going at a faster pace. I also get annoyed when people pile up in one lane and stop the flow of traffic despite there being lanes to move around in.
Fun stuff. So, as it relates to these functions and using your anecdote regarding boats, am I correct in assuming that when you mention this boat, that boat, and Joey's boat, it's my Si that is chomping at the bit waiting for the expression of commonality between the three boats, and Se is fine with jumping around with no more sequitur than the fact that they are just boats?
Well, this might explain part of the reason I am terrible at relaying conversations. NiSe is like a bomb or fireworks: HERE'S THE IMPORTANT POINT ------ *sprinkle sprinkle sensory in no particular order sprinkle sprinkle* I'm trying to become better at ordering the sensory so that people can actually enjoy the point, but it's hard because I'm so excited about the point that I have trouble being patient with relaying all the sensory dots in the right-ish order.
NiSe: why it took me 4 minutes to write this comment reply (I deleted all my Se examples) (yet here I go including the in-parentheses text above which shoves it right back in) I hope my comment makes sense. Getting off my pogo stick now.
Good. Yet I list things logistically and also am obsessed with categorization. In OPS, they said MF TeSi BPCS, and that still maps to MBTI ENTJ. The perceptual seems very fluid and blended. Oh well, I'll get it all sorted out one day
I can relate to this. My sister is clearly Si and never gives me a straightforward answer to a question. It’s always a long winded story setting the context of the details leading up to the answer. I get annoyed and then She gets annoyed that I roll my eyes and ask her to just answer the question. lol 😂 ❤ now I understand better what’s going on thanks. I will try more closed questions. She has the best memory too. I have inferior Se, Ni dom. - INTJ
I remember talking to my friends, about the design of a new modelairplane. And to my great surprise they said, "wait, wait, if we close our eyes it is dark, and you seem to see the whole thing in your brain". So i started to make those 3D sketches on paper... I still do. Even after explaining a drawing at my work, for more then an hour, somone said, i only see a white paper with black lines.. So i can not ask people for their MBTI thing, but i have to slowly build things up. What is a problem, because nobody has time, or can focus for more then ...... seconds... Great subject about communication between MBTI types.. $$$$$$ O yes, if all effords fail.... Read the instructions..
If Ni is categorical thinking (excuse if I'm being reductive) than would it not be common to extrapolate from outside the category for sensing input ? I.e. Jimmy's boat xyz ... sharks xyz Jimmy's boat is like a shark... vs boats boats boats...
I've took the personality tests several times and it says that I am an INTJ and I've also watched several videos of how an INTJ work and they were accurate but I still don't believe that I am an INTJ-A recently 5 of my little annoying stupid brothers came into my house it's been a week and now I lost my curiosity over things the examinations to which I haven't prepared(intentionally becuz of the circumstances) are in 2 weeks and I can't find any logic in things and also hanging around with some friends whom I used to call stupid and hated once,I can't deduce my brain don't wanna agree I am going into depression I've never really cared of being an INTJ except when I found it out the reason why I am saying this it's mostly accurate so what should I do?(I've lot of my time into this pls reply) I no more have any passion on anything and also no plans I am just going blindly and I am also 16 years old and also people say INTJ's are good at math but I am not,which seriously affected me when I took the MBTI seriously but eventually I didn't cared about that which may have led me to this state of a living empty box.
I hope you’re feeling better now. In terms of questioning your own type, Did you take the true MBTI test or equivalent cognitive test or was it the ‘16 Personalities’ test? -A is a 16P thing. 16P is a different test based on different theory (big 5) to MBTI (cognition) and often gives slightly different type results.
I think I’m a si-dom despite always getting ni in these silly online tests, lol…. I will say that I think si is mostly about valuing experience, and I also think they are heavy into pattern recognition (something often labeled as a ni-thing). I say this because a pattern is essentially a predictable sequence of events rooted in historical data (sounds like a definition of si…), and most people use them as a tool to familiarize themselves with the unknown (therefore, “valuing experience” by applying patterns). If anything, applying a pattern to a situation, and using your imagination to tweak parameters one at a time to project forward what might happen is extremely expansive (an ensemble of outcomes is established, Ne-like) and a very si approach…. But this pattern-recognition, future-thinking stuff is often labeled as ni. I honestly don’t think there really is much intuition to noticing patterns - they are rooted in reality. 👀 I’m guessing most people think they are intuitive creatures and immediately cross the si-doms of their list of possibilities without really considering what si might be…. I think that’s kind of sad… 😞
I think this is precisely why I sucked at chess initially. It has a lot of variables and thousands of tactics. Tactics involve a lot of orderly things to be played with several different pieces. My Ni-Se ass can only focus on one thing at a time. Although as I progressed and was able to recognize the patterns I can switch between different tactics effortlessly. I'm still not a pro player by any means though. If someone throws in some kind of unexpected tactic my brain totally splatters. And to think they call us INTJs good at chess, I mean there are definitely some of them who are pro so congrats. But my head gets dizzy if I have to focus on so many things at a time. Obviously I'm not the kind who gives up so easily :D
Question: I have seriously good recall of events and am also committed to making economics, society and religion work humanisticaly. I call it inter-independence, where a cooperative would cut out the finance sector, have cooperative purchasing and government and home grown food. Can an INTJ have a huge ability to recall the past?
@@InternetLiJo But I live in being smart (Ti) memory (si) gathering plans (ne) and give myself credit for feeling with tribe (fe). I am SBC(P) with make Ti Si. which of the 512 would I be?
Respecting the order of things... Oh, man. When I was a little kid my mom had to make sure she taught me the right method the very first time I did something, because I would absolutely refuse to do that thing any other way after that. In fact, it’s something I’ve had to work on accepting that "the order of things" is often arbitrary and irrelevant. Will your dinner plates fit in the cupboard only if they’re stacked in a specific order? Sure, then it’s important, (or at least useful). Keeping those gaming cards (Magic/Yugioh/whatever) in the same order as they were in the pack? Not so much. Still feel the urge, though, and get annoyed at people not respecting the system, particularly if the system promotes efficiency and saves me energy from having to figure out/sort everything from scratch again.
This video was helpful. Different topic: whenever making a decision... I think about the possibilities (options) that ''could be'' and I choose one and try to connect the dots (or option) which I chose to be correct, Is this what Ni feels like, or am I using Ne? I'm scared of focusing on the present (Se) and tend to be caught up in future planning (Ni)... If Se's my inferior, it doesn't make sense for me to use Ne. Btw got typed as an INTJ, Te, Fi, and Se make sense, Me striving for possibilities doesn't.
SI = procedural; must be respected because it keeps the train on the tracks... train has to be on time. SE = categoric; MacGyver has lead SE but guess what... he just used that pogo stick to fix your train! How you like me now?! PS. Lord knows we don't need Casey Jones driving this train anymore!
Was reading over this BC Elodie commented and noticed the obvious repeating train theme. Last night I read scripture that literally said couch...Amos 3.12... Trippy.
I have a question, I am an INTJ but I got (on Keys2function) 30 for introverted sensing and 16 for extroverted sensing. clearly I am an introverted sensor which is not what INTJs have as they have extroverted sensing not introverted sensing. (or so I have been told) should I not be an ISTJ and not an INTJ?
I have nothing to contribute other than I miss the intro music. Like I associated your face with that music and now.. I don’t even know you anymore:/ lol
So your example on yourself is “I’m talking about cognitive functions” so who’s listening is not able to paint a concrete picture of what you’re saying… lol, so a sensor cannot talk about functions or just concepts? 😂 I mean I get the point but this example is so ridicolous and misleading (towards intuitive bias which is already a problem in mbti community). 💀
does anyone else get low key annoyed when Si doms are telling a super long detailed story that wasn’t asked for? I find myself sitting back thinking “ok so what’s the conclusion... what are you trying to get at? I don’t need all these details” but I force myself to politely listen to the whole story. It’s different when i’m actively present and eager to hear their story (then it’s brilliant!), but most of the time that’s just not the case 😅
This is exactly what happens with me (probably an ENTJ) and my mother (probably an ISFJ). She often tells me about something happened at her work, mentioning the names and procedures which distracts me from understanding her point. When she finishes, I summarized what she said in three sentences.
In contrast, when I describe an event, I usually say the result or whatever has the biggest impact first.
Hahahaha reading this is making me realise EXACTLY why people get bored when I tell stories 😂😂
YES. And also, having the conclusion/purpose/point *first* tends to make the details more meaningful.
I don't wonder where they are going.....I'm already there.
If it makes you feel any better, we get annoyed because your stories are incomplete. What were they wearing? What exactly did they say? Where were you guys sitting? Who else was around? TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!!
I’m ISFJ and my husband is ENFP. I get so annoyed because he doesn’t tell any stories in order or with the appropriate details and I constantly have to ask a ton of questions to get a complete story.
Sensory.... the bane of my existence. Got to appreciate those with a strong sense of the sensory though. We'd be lost without them.
That’s the damn truth, nothing would actually get done lol
@Has Goodles when it comes to more than organizing things I'm quite helpless. But, if left alone I can get things very organized. Anything requiring actual mechanical skills though, forget it. Thankfully, my particular job is fairly well suited to my INTJ self. With the exception of when I have to deal with people.
I like when they do the sensory things I hate for me so I don't have to! That's a keeper.
Yes, the sensory is indeed valuable. I’m proud of my high se because it allows me to just move along in the present moment and not overthink as much.
@@InternetLiJo thats true but not everything they get done is good.
'Can you paint a picture of it?' is such a great method to tell apart S and N!! A fantastic way of putting it, LiJo!
Thanks Joyce!
and i took that literally
As an Ni dom, I always like to explain an ordered concept, then I throw in a concrete example, the Ni-Se axis at play. For example, I talk about nearsightedness, then I talk about its difficulty in reading road signs.
Just realized this^ comment alone is Ni-Se axis at play as well.
Concept and example, definitely I do that too !
Yesss. We can't escape that order :)
Ni dom: blahblahblah
*talking about the concept*
that's why blahblahblah
*proceeds to throwing in examples*
*proceeds to hoping people get the concept explained*
I do that too as an INFP! (Ne-Si axis). I believe this has to do with being an intuitive first, probably! I have a hard time throwing concrete examples too... I always talk about the concept first, difference is, I'm messy about it. And when I need to prove something, my masculine Si tries hard to give concrete examples 😂
Thinking further about it, I do talk about the concept but I probably take it from a concrete example. Ex: I see someone asking for money in the street, so I immediately think about the concept of poverty in society and I talk about it as a general concept. Does it make sense?
high Ni users: *throws random nonsense concrete Se example to explain bigger concept that feels too witchy by itself*
said the high Ne users with the confused noises
as an XSFP... huh?
a certified INFJ moment, for sure.
Honestly watching Lindsay's hair grow video by video makes me feel connected
I was just thinking how it needs to be cut lol!
@@InternetLiJo Blame it on a Lock Down you should see it here people are walking around looking like Gonzo from The Muppets. lmao
Very extroverted sensing.
@@xevation why not? I'm intj and I cut my hair myself, it's very easy, especially with long hair.
I'm very much in the Se camp. I struggle with trying to talk about something in a chronological order. I have to write down all the things I can think of about what happened, then try to put this random pile of memory bits into chronological order. Without that coping mechanism, my stories of what happened tend to run in circles and skip around all over the timeline.
I'm Se inferior. I struggle with the whole thing. When explaining in a chronological order, I trail off into details, then get back on topic. It's usually too confusing for the listener, so I avoid the whole fiasco when I can. It's like, before I explain something I need to explain the rationale.
"You can't paint a picture with Ni." Challenge accepted. -INFJ jk
So do you want to say Si is organizing things in a practical/literal sense while Ni is organizing things conceptually.
This is super fascinating. My writing style has always been weird, and I despise the SAT/GRE style of writing where everything has to be organized on the spot. While writing, I go through a phase of "word vomit" where I literally just slap things and concepts down on the pages. Sometimes its phrases, sometimes it's chunks of sentences. After I'm done producing all of the content, I go back in and string the concepts in an order that makes sense to me (usually categorically) 😌 -Probable INFJ
Interesting!!
I do this as well!
@@audreysrutt4356 I'm glad it's not just me!
I do the same thing, and I think that's weird yet always works for me 😂 Glad I found that you do it as well 😀
I'm INFP and I appreciate your use of concrete (sensory) examples. So many don't include those. Then I checked the stats for Sensors in the US - *seventy five percent*. No wonder so many people hate school and don't read books. And no wonder video is getting more popular
Se would probably hate it but Si doesn’t mind reading.
Also, books require the use of your brain and it also takes longer to get to the ending.
Not to mention, it’s your responsibility to get there on your own.
Meanwhile, videos don’t use any of your brain’s power if you don’t want them to and they already have a set time in which you should finish them.
I've just noticed how this applies to communication issues my ISTJ husband and I sometimes have. If we're talking about concrete sensory sort of things I'll say something that had absolutely nothing to do with the last sentence either of us said, which confuses him because he assumes I'm still talking about that last thing. Reminds me of how you said there's a proper order or progression with Si. Whereas I'll just jump around. But with abstract intuitive subjects I love to stick to one idea and deep dive.
Another totally different way to look as the sensory functions rather than how they behave relative to time, is how they literally perceive information. This is one of hardest things to fully explain to others in the Mbti realm but I’ll try to write my thoughts out.
Se is a little easier, I think it’s like the more in the moment and “real” sensory function. An Se user perceives sensory information in a very objective factual way. “It is what it is” no strings attached type thing.
Now Si however is very weird. It’s like getting a ‘vibe’ from something that you perceive, solely based off the sensory information it gives off. For me personally (INTP) tertiary Si with my dominant Ti makes for some very odd ways of perceiving and understanding things, and it makes it hard to explain concepts in my mind. But for example, in like edm music, there’s all kinds of crazy weird unnatural sounds. But to my Si when I hear them, I get like a whole vibe off of one sound. I kinda get an image in my head and almost like the emotion or feeling that sound gives off , what I actually perceive is literally the subjective impression that sound gives me, it takes a lot of focus and effort to make myself objectively hear the sound, and not hear all the noise in my head that the sound impresses upon me, does this make any sense?
IMO this may be why Si users have the stereotype of having better memories, because when you perceive things through Si, it is made into something more than what it is in reality, it is our brain attaching subjective meaning to the things we perceive, perhaps making it easier to identify later or remember/store/catalogue. Pleas let me know your thoughts, I can try to elaborate if I’m not making any sense.
After trying to figure this out by reading/watching content, your comment just made Si a lot clearer!
It does make sense, your example of the sound giving you a "vibe" and not just being a sound is really interesting. Do you have more precisions on that? Like what would be something that the sound makes you remember?
I'm just thinking as I'm writing it, but as an INFP having Ne then Si, it's blowing my mind how I just realized I'm slightly doing that.
Thanks for your comment, have a great day :)
Your comment just makes me appreciate Si even more :)
not sure if that's right ... so Se user can't feel the music? just a wash of sound at face value?
Basically you're talking about synesthesia. As someone who shares you're Ti primary and Si tertiary I know exactly what you're talking about. Ask me what color the number 5 is.
The categorical yet pogo-stick nature of Se is spot on!! It is also incredibly interesting to watch my Fe/Ne dom sister navigate conversation because she doesn't stay in the same category she is always communicating her concern with other people and then she switches to a whole new topic... And yet, I think her Si keeps her chronological...
Yes I agree it's fascinating when Ne doms sensor talk with their Si!
@@linyenchin6773 only within the deepest, hardest to reach part of myself do I allow that vulnerable truth prevail. She is indeed a flower. An obnoxiously sweet one.
I'm pretty sure I'm Se dominant and this video just made me realize that I'm EXTREMELY bad at explaining things that are not in the physical reality. At around 1:11 you talked about how you, as an Ni dom, usually talk about Mbti/OPS and how that is not something you can paint a picture with. I am horrible at explaining OPS to my family/friends because I don't know how to make them see the picture in my mind.. I always end my ramblings with "Please just watch some youtube videos, I'm horrible at this".
ps.: I just reread my comment.. ugh look at me, using the exact time sensor or telling my family/friends basically "just watch some sensor".. once you see your pattern, it's just scary
I have an ESTJ friend (with secondary Si). Can she tell a story, thrown in with delicious tidbits that keeps one engaged. I asked how her holiday went recently, and for three hours, she regaled her adventures. It felt as if I literally was on the holiday with her. I enjoy that with Si. Also ... I notice that Si have a very high pain threshold. Have you found that?
Se's are just as entertaining. I love to have Se's around me from time to time. It somehow makes me feel a little more "grounded" (as an Ni dom).
Being a train fanatic, I really like how your explanation of how my Si is consistent with that. And yes, I proceed from station to station.
Having a conversation with an Si dom is the most beautiful thing to witness. The organization is truly impeccable and undervalued imo
I completely agree
Yes, despite the fact Thats its extremely boring.
you're kidding me? Si, as a function is as boring and stubborn like a trunk.
Whenever an Si dom starts talking I just zone out. I have no patience for it, it's so tedious, definitely not "beautiful".
@@HTC115 I think it can be tedious at times, sure. It's a skill that I struggle to attain, so to see someone else do it so effortlessly is fascinating.
This was really interesting to me. As you talked about trains and pogo sticks, linear vs non-linear etc I kept asking myself what this all means. I’ve been given the narrowed down concepts but my Ti/Se brain begs for multiple sensory examples of what this looks like in real life. If I were to have enough examples then I could logic them into place and understand how the analogies and descriptions of Si and Se apply. Working my way from the concept to how it manifests is just not something I do well on my own.
Great differentiation, LiJo. Introverted sensing is so misunderstood in our community. Isn’t just tradition or memory- it’s about reference points. As an Se dom, I can tell you... I envy that with my pogo stick manner of communication! 🤪
*bounces around in Se with you*
Si is about routines bro, familairity, stability, comfort. its about doing trivial things in a specific manner
@@naturalinstinct4950 I think you're both right. Si is about the things you said, but why do they find these familiar things so comfortable? Because these things do relate to reference points in their minds, conditioning.
@@andreagreenwood93 thought I personally don't find conditioning comfortable but rather dehumanising. but thats just my subjective opinion so you aren't wrong
@@naturalinstinct4950 I don't know if this clarifies anything but I didn't mean conditioning in the mindless Pavlov dog sense, I mean more like the reinforcement of the pleasantness of experiences by repetition. Something becomes comfortable only after you do it man times. Then it becomes a reference point for other things. "Is this thing similar to the things I'm comfortable with?" Seems like a common theme with people with strong Si.
Si = referencing a sensory story through chronological progression (they feel responsible for telling the order)
Se = referencing a sensory story categorically, but chaotically (they feel responsible for including relevant sensory info from different time periods)
Si or Se has nothing to do with order, they are perceiving functions. MBTI websites and channels are spreading so much false, novice information out there it's cray cray. Everybody should learn instead from socionics. Also as far as time, Se doesn't go into different time periods, it's strictly here and now. If it goes into different time periods while talking, it's a mistyped Ne. Si doesn't care about order either, that would Ti or Te. Again, MBTI sources are so so bad they are confused about the most basic qualities of the functions.
@@choonblaze It's funny that you mention it, but while watching this video, I thought of Ne users, specifically Ne doms that 'pogo' around like crazy all the time and don't respect order. Funnily enough, those are also all Si users by defintion! I already had moments where an Ne user was so extreme at this, it got my inferior Ti kinda angry.
@@Usabell not respecting order would be a high Ti, low Te situation. Also hating tradition would be low Si so an ENTP would be a perfect candidate for an anarchist lol.
@@choonblaze Yep, I definitely know quite a few ENTPs who have a passion for hating on 'old values' and tradition, to a point where it becomes a bit laughable, as not everything 'old' is bad by itself, and their newest gadgets they are showing off all the time aren't always the best solution 😋
For me as an ENFJ Enneagram 1, it's more about how good and practical a solution is to me and those close to me, and I really don't care about what time period it's from 😄
But I love ENTPs to bits, as they are such great conversational partners, on a very high level that many others fail to keep up with 😊😍
@@Usabell I find ENTPs to be sketchy and can't trust them lol. I'm an ESTP so a different quadra. I can't relate to Si Ne. ENFJ on the other hand I trust and find them fun, same quadra, same values.
Ti Se Ni. My Ti gets to hop around on two pogo sticks. Weeeeeeeee.
Lol amazingly you all get stuff done pretty well that way.
ISTP 👉👉you guys make amazing team with us ENTJs
Having to find real-world sensory examples to slap in so I don't sound like a crazy person is very relatable as an INTJ haha. Then the Si doms want to get stuck on the thing in the example and I want to move on because I'm like, Noooo, that's not the point, it was just an example, a placeholder, it could have been anything! 🤦♀️ What's interesting to me is that intuitive types can sometimes go round and round talking in complete abstracts to each other and sometimes know exactly what kind of "situations" etc each other is referring to without any concrete examples- it's the underlying meaning that's understood. Sometimes it really is like speaking a different language.
Haha so much yes on the placeholder
Ik I'm late to this vid and convo but this paragraph accurately captures exactly what I tend to run into frequently. It's beyond annoying when people get stuck on the example or metaphor! I just ......no, that was a point why are we now redirecting the conversation towards that? Even worse is when at that moment past unrelated events they attach as a counter example are brought in as well further missing the actual point and structure attempting to be built. I'll just accept being an alien speaking to a wall of duh 😅@@InternetLiJo
Thanks for this sharing. This can be the final decider tools to spot the exact MBTI type of someone.
I feel like ENFPs are the ones marking all those chaotic furniture assembly instructions.
This was such a good explanation of the difference. Thank you! I’m reaaally struggling to type myself but also am too poor to pay a human that knows what they’re doing so i really appreciate these informational videos 😁
I think I'm ENFP with really good Si or in a grip. It's like I'm stuck in the past with Si, I find it hard to move on and forget and care too much what people think. I've just had so much trauma maybe it's made me look outwards too much for validation and attention which is odd since I only started doing this when I turned 19, I was always happy alone without attention but now I crave it and seem like an unhealthy Fe though I'm not. It's like every day I ever lived was yesterday and I could write a book on it. I've typed for ESFJ and ESTJ, but I'm no Te Dom unless I have to use Te to pragmatically manage a group. And I thought I was Fe dom, but I've always been Fi user, escapist, sad at stuff, stuck in my ways, retreated, silent, and a bit hard to relate, but I am awfully altruistic and care about doing things right and positively changing people's lives and enriching them. I'm not ENTP since I clearly use more Te than Ti, I care for solid facts, truth, and external sources to make an iron-clad case vs Ti which makes convincing logical broad and abstract theories and arguments but they seem conspiratory and weird how they reach conclusions which can be right but it's sometimes as if only the Ti user understands their thinking. Of course as Ne users we both can come up with bullsh alternative facts and methods which I also stand by following my own ways and instructions that don't always follow direct orders.
Infp?
@@subliminalmuse I'm a mess, took more tests and type as ISFP, ESFP, ENFJ top 3 with mistype investigator and sakinorva.
👋 S L A P that sensory in there as if it was the Flex Tape holding your listener's understanding of the topic together (because it is).
BAHAHAH exactly. Through a little Te in there and the thing can look god awful lol
I like the analogy at the start, quick thought that ill have to validate but as a visual intuitive: Listening to sensory should have concrete visualizations whereas listening to intuition causes my brain to simulate connections. Feels so obvious now that you've pointed it out
Lindsay, I really appreciate your discussion of how demon Se is used for saviour Ni, that scrambling to pull Se data points in. Even if I am Ni-dom, I notice I can come off as a little chaotic and scattered, but I don't feel like I'm trying to go from concept to concept, as much as I'm trying to find more support for my Ni train of thought. The stereotypical painting of Ni-dominants as being indistractible misses the point so often, so that little nugget you provided was beautiful.
(I've been sick a lot and dealing with my health lately, and trying to balance work. But I still plan on doing more sessions with you. Love your insights.)
Yeah man, no wonder Sensors always tell me I suck at telling stories. - INTJ
Ye same but my Ne dom friends say im the best storyteller ever
@yeetyeetyeet1967, useless words without type attached.
Don't do that again under type videos.
It is interesting how you mentioned Ni while talking about Se, but you didn't talk about how Ne complements Si. But I liked your accurate description of how Si looks back (like your analogy of a train going back). I think as an Ne-Si user, we are much more comfortable with situations which might be impossible in the sensory world. Really cute dog btw!
Ne-Si is finding pattern in the world and figure out what we should concretely do with it. For example, Ne: people who study stuff that will come out in the test usually pass the test, Si: I should study.
As opposed to Ni-Si that makes patterns (aka find it within _themselves_ ) and identify concrete things to make it happen. Ni: I should pass the test. Se: study stuff that will come out in the test.
Yesterday, as I was walking outside, I spilled coffee all over myself; luckily I was wearing a rain jacket. So - you’ve got the walking, the carrying of the coffee, the drinking of the coffee, also, I’m talking, AND carrying a bag, PLUS trying to navigate directions; I just got a haircut, so I’m reflecting and basking in the relief of the awkwardness of that experience being over...dear God..a recipe for disaster. As I observed the spillage, all over my pretty rain coat, I thought to myself, “Why would the 3rd sip miss my mouth, but I did fine on the first two sips?” Lately I’ve noticed myself saying the word “sensing” outloud, when I trip, get tangled up in a cable, and all the rest. I just say “sensing.” But outloud. I’m not weird. -INFJ
This video mentions something I haven't seen anywhere else yet. I thought I was unstructured, because I sometimes go backwards on the timeline. I didn't think about this being ordered as well.
Great pooch. I had a Papillon,Oreo, black and white, until he passed a few years ago. He was a complete Spaz. 😆
Se would describe the look, sound, ride, handling, speed of the boat, and how great it is for wakeboarding. Si would wonder if the boat is safe, reliable and whether the captain is trustworthy or they might be a boater too and take issue with how the captain operates and maintains the boat. With Si, it's my way or the highway.
"These sensory thing "
You are IxTJ for sure this is my first time knowing your channel but I could tell
Thing is, even if you are intuitive, it doesn't mean you can't do sensory talk..
Specially with time you learn how to talk like other people. So don't just type people on the way they talk.. people sometimes learn to be not as transparent as they could. So go deeper
Se-Unfamiliar
Si-Familiar
Si is internal body intelligence. That means feeling what food is healthy, sex and comfort, massages, sensuality. If si is feminine in ops personality, it is also forgetful and not good with memory, but the internal changes or hormonal disbalance is felt fast. So often si works in health career too. Si masculine together with te doing (istj) is more the hard instruction type. Si in fact never acts alone, it works together with other cognitive functions. Si + fe plays a role in psychology and social care and si + ti in health care or medicine
Well it explains a lot of why I tend to lose people's attention when I jump all over the place when explaining something, which makes perfect sense to me but obviously not to them 😅 I think my memory is mainly the same way, I can struggle to remember a concept for itself but my memory for details is great.
This makes so much sense. I'm probably Se according to the vid.
In my mind, instructions can be done independently in sections out of chronological order if needs be. The only reason why I don't do this is because I've got bad past experiences putting together stuff out of order (but it was fun).
the MAIN DIFFERENCE between Si and Se can be described as follows...
Si = do you feel gas building up for a possible fart? - THATS Si.
Se = did you hear someone (be it yourself or someone else) fart??? - THATS Se.
a rather quick and humorously EFFECTIVE way i just thought of to describe the difference...
Si is dwelling and reliance on an environment and Se is an escape from that environment as far as following and intrigue in a compass and possible routes. Both are reliant on said environment with regards to choice without notion of expansion.
Ti and Fi are similar as environment and resource are paramount.
omg i love your background so much
Thanks Michi 🖤🖤
Thank for theses shorts video, to understand even better the fonctions.
Awesome! Love getting that feedback.
Se pogo stick. Just start blowing out a bunch of data. Yeah, I got that.
Or you can say that Ni paints abstract art with people never being able to quite define what it is, while Si paints literal objects...and Se paints visceral or shock factor aesthetics? Or something kinesthetic or interactive art ...Lol --infj.
Really needed this comparison. Thank you.
As an INTJ I like talking to ESFJ’s because they talk so much with Si info it’s like exercise for my brain and then I can help them see the big picture and give them the space to use their Ne. It broadens both of our minds
I like that they take responsibility for both the Fe and the Si so I can carry on 😅
Haha yes but both types can serve beneficial info to each other.
@@InternetLiJo no doubt, if only they weren’t all married
So, I just listen to your video about Se versus Si. As an ENFP with Si last, I can relate a little bit, a tiny bit, to the guy you heard on the radio who was irritated about various aspects of the pandemic not being respected. (I think that was the topic.) Anyway, where I related to it is I get mildly, well maybe not mildly irritated when it's the middle of January or worse February and people still have their Christmas Lights up 😮. I think Christmas lights should come down the day after New Year's. No exception.
This makes sense when I apply it to driving. Some people will pogo from one lane to another to get through the sensory and others will stay in one lane and go under the speed limit as if they don't see the signs or everyone else going at a faster pace. I also get annoyed when people pile up in one lane and stop the flow of traffic despite there being lanes to move around in.
Fun stuff. So, as it relates to these functions and using your anecdote regarding boats, am I correct in assuming that when you mention this boat, that boat, and Joey's boat, it's my Si that is chomping at the bit waiting for the expression of commonality between the three boats, and Se is fine with jumping around with no more sequitur than the fact that they are just boats?
Challenge accepted. I’ll paint an abstract painting of cognitive functions!
Accepted too ! I think I will name my next painting Extroverted Intuition.
so Si is milk before serial is correct that?
the... horror.
At least use a C! Come on!
when you have aphantasia you "see" nothing at all.. 😫
Well, this might explain part of the reason I am terrible at relaying conversations. NiSe is like a bomb or fireworks: HERE'S THE IMPORTANT POINT ------ *sprinkle sprinkle sensory in no particular order sprinkle sprinkle*
I'm trying to become better at ordering the sensory so that people can actually enjoy the point, but it's hard because I'm so excited about the point that I have trouble being patient with relaying all the sensory dots in the right-ish order.
NiSe: why it took me 4 minutes to write this comment reply
(I deleted all my Se examples)
(yet here I go including the in-parentheses text above which shoves it right back in)
I hope my comment makes sense. Getting off my pogo stick now.
Good. Yet I list things logistically and also am obsessed with categorization. In OPS, they said MF TeSi BPCS, and that still maps to MBTI ENTJ. The perceptual seems very fluid and blended. Oh well, I'll get it all sorted out one day
I can relate to this. My sister is clearly Si and never gives me a straightforward answer to a question. It’s always a long winded story setting the context of the details leading up to the answer. I get annoyed and then She gets annoyed that I roll my eyes and ask her to just answer the question. lol 😂 ❤ now I understand better what’s going on thanks. I will try more closed questions. She has the best memory too. I have inferior Se, Ni dom. - INTJ
My ideas are organized by chaos, does that count?
Yes. 😉
My mind is chaotic lol.
I remember talking to my friends, about the design of a new modelairplane. And to my great surprise they said, "wait, wait, if we close our eyes it is dark, and you seem to see the whole thing in your brain". So i started to make those 3D sketches on paper... I still do. Even after explaining a drawing at my work, for more then an hour, somone said, i only see a white paper with black lines.. So i can not ask people for their MBTI thing, but i have to slowly build things up. What is a problem, because nobody has time, or can focus for more then ...... seconds... Great subject about communication between MBTI types.. $$$$$$ O yes, if all effords fail.... Read the instructions..
Yes, I can paint a picture, HOWEVER, it would be an abstract painting and only I would know what it really was. Lol
If Ni is categorical thinking (excuse if I'm being reductive) than would it not be common to extrapolate from outside the category for sensing input ? I.e. Jimmy's boat xyz ... sharks xyz Jimmy's boat is like a shark... vs boats boats boats...
I guess what I'm asking is: would Ni not be more abstract category vs Se being more representational category?
In other words, Dom Si users would hate a Nolan film lol
I've took the personality tests several times and it says that I am an INTJ and I've also watched several videos of how an INTJ work and they were accurate but I still don't believe that I am an INTJ-A recently 5 of my little annoying stupid brothers came into my house it's been a week and now I lost my curiosity over things the examinations to which I haven't prepared(intentionally becuz of the circumstances) are in 2 weeks and I can't find any logic in things and also hanging around with some friends whom I used to call stupid and hated once,I can't deduce my brain don't wanna agree I am going into depression I've never really cared of being an INTJ except when I found it out the reason why I am saying this it's mostly accurate so what should I do?(I've lot of my time into this pls reply)
I no more have any passion on anything and also no plans I am just going blindly and I am also 16 years old and also people say INTJ's are good at math but I am not,which seriously affected me when I took the MBTI seriously but eventually I didn't cared about that which may have led me to this state of a living empty box.
had you take a cognitive functions test? from there you can start to build ur function stack and discover ur type
remember it is about preferences
I hope you’re feeling better now. In terms of questioning your own type, Did you take the true MBTI test or equivalent cognitive test or was it the ‘16 Personalities’ test? -A is a 16P thing. 16P is a different test based on different theory (big 5) to MBTI (cognition) and often gives slightly different type results.
I still didn't understand about Se? Maybe some more examples?
my fi are feel angry for not having enough push as talented as you
Si is SAM and Se is RAM.
Si is a regular movie.
Se is a Tarantino movie.
I think I’m a si-dom despite always getting ni in these silly online tests, lol…. I will say that I think si is mostly about valuing experience, and I also think they are heavy into pattern recognition (something often labeled as a ni-thing). I say this because a pattern is essentially a predictable sequence of events rooted in historical data (sounds like a definition of si…), and most people use them as a tool to familiarize themselves with the unknown (therefore, “valuing experience” by applying patterns). If anything, applying a pattern to a situation, and using your imagination to tweak parameters one at a time to project forward what might happen is extremely expansive (an ensemble of outcomes is established, Ne-like) and a very si approach…. But this pattern-recognition, future-thinking stuff is often labeled as ni. I honestly don’t think there really is much intuition to noticing patterns - they are rooted in reality. 👀 I’m guessing most people think they are intuitive creatures and immediately cross the si-doms of their list of possibilities without really considering what si might be…. I think that’s kind of sad… 😞
are you an entj?
i genuinely love entjs so so much!
I think this is precisely why I sucked at chess initially. It has a lot of variables and thousands of tactics. Tactics involve a lot of orderly things to be played with several different pieces. My Ni-Se ass can only focus on one thing at a time. Although as I progressed and was able to recognize the patterns I can switch between different tactics effortlessly. I'm still not a pro player by any means though. If someone throws in some kind of unexpected tactic my brain totally splatters.
And to think they call us INTJs good at chess, I mean there are definitely some of them who are pro so congrats. But my head gets dizzy if I have to focus on so many things at a time. Obviously I'm not the kind who gives up so easily :D
This was so accurate!
Question: I have seriously good recall of events and am also committed to making economics, society and religion work humanisticaly. I call it inter-independence, where a cooperative would cut out the finance sector, have cooperative purchasing and government and home grown food. Can an INTJ have a huge ability to recall the past?
Anyone can do anything. Type isn’t behavioral it’s cognitive.
@@InternetLiJo But I live in being smart (Ti) memory (si) gathering plans (ne) and give myself credit for feeling with tribe (fe). I am SBC(P) with make Ti Si. which of the 512 would I be?
Nice and clear as usual. Is that M-Te. I was able to visualize in the abstract what you were talking about but not the actual things.
Ni: can we get rid of him? *Stares at SE*
TI: not without cause NI.
Ni: I have cause. It’s CAUSE I HATE HIM. *Pushes SE*
-INFJs mind.
Respecting the order of things...
Oh, man. When I was a little kid my mom had to make sure she taught me the right method the very first time I did something, because I would absolutely refuse to do that thing any other way after that. In fact, it’s something I’ve had to work on accepting that "the order of things" is often arbitrary and irrelevant.
Will your dinner plates fit in the cupboard only if they’re stacked in a specific order? Sure, then it’s important, (or at least useful).
Keeping those gaming cards (Magic/Yugioh/whatever) in the same order as they were in the pack? Not so much.
Still feel the urge, though, and get annoyed at people not respecting the system, particularly if the system promotes efficiency and saves me energy from having to figure out/sort everything from scratch again.
I think people who manage retail stores have Si. They want everything organized in a timely fashion. ESTJs nust have Si in their second slot.
This video was helpful. Different topic: whenever making a decision... I think about the possibilities (options) that ''could be'' and I choose one and try to connect the dots (or option) which I chose to be correct, Is this what Ni feels like, or am I using Ne? I'm scared of focusing on the present (Se) and tend to be caught up in future planning (Ni)... If Se's my inferior, it doesn't make sense for me to use Ne. Btw got typed as an INTJ, Te, Fi, and Se make sense, Me striving for possibilities doesn't.
SI = procedural; must be respected because it keeps the train on the tracks... train has to be on time.
SE = categoric; MacGyver
has lead SE but guess what... he just used that pogo stick to fix your train! How you like me now?!
PS. Lord knows we don't need Casey Jones driving this train anymore!
haha yep! My Se does do some of that :)
Thanks you helped me. That's surely why the Se go perfectly with Ni : Categoric, meaning, conclusion.
Was reading over this BC Elodie commented and noticed the obvious repeating train theme. Last night I read scripture that literally said couch...Amos 3.12... Trippy.
What function is it that is delightfully distracted by your dog in the beginning of the video? Haha.
Lol how can people be so ORGANIZED?? (I go off on tangents, so I've been told. Ne)
6:03 I though you said a really long curse word there lmao
I have a question, I am an INTJ but I got (on Keys2function) 30 for introverted sensing and 16 for extroverted sensing.
clearly I am an introverted sensor which is not what INTJs have as they have extroverted sensing not introverted sensing. (or so I have been told)
should I not be an ISTJ and not an INTJ?
Is the dog’s name Indy?? That was my old cat’s name 🥲
Yes 🥹
Hahaha were you talking about jordan peterson ?;)
Doggy? Ive not noticed before, information? 💕
Not me watching this on 00:32 AM instead of sleeping--
Examples in a sentence would be appreciated.
great vid
I have nothing to contribute other than I miss the intro music. Like I associated your face with that music and now.. I don’t even know you anymore:/ lol
Mr. Beaumont...?
"Boats"
"lmao" 😆
This video didn't help; you have a cute dog 🐶!
ur dog go nom nom
Se! INFJ 😊lol
Pogo stick lol... I like that analogy for Se because it has sexual undertones
I got distracted by your papillon (?) puppy dog in the background. Not a sensor.
Isfj type is horrible 😅
So your example on yourself is “I’m talking about cognitive functions” so who’s listening is not able to paint a concrete picture of what you’re saying… lol, so a sensor cannot talk about functions or just concepts? 😂 I mean I get the point but this example is so ridicolous and misleading (towards intuitive bias which is already a problem in mbti community). 💀
U hv scary eyes