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Either the troops knew the L3 product was trash and never used it or they never bothered to open the box because no matter how cool the gear is, no soldier wants to be the slow camel wearing glasses while humping all that heavy gear all over Timbuktu. Once you see a tacti-cool ninja using flat range holds in a gunfight, you can really understand General Petraeus' mindset. Teaching kids is like herding cats
@@ilovefreeski I was being more careful than it may appear, I didn’t want to cause any damage. The adjustment screws on NGALs are small. Not a huge fan, I like the larger PEQ style hardware
L3 is definitely brighter, but to its detriment really washing out targets without any photonic barriers. The Somogear seems underpowered and not narrow. The Invisible Sight is super clean and just right powered to not wash out details. Not accounting for sturdiness and longevity, the Invisible Sight is the very clear winner to my eyes.
@turbo-coffee actually over 5 and it was worth every day and penny . This is nice I didn't get the 409 dollar one I got the vscell laser upgrade it was 650 . The illuminator is a beast it's as good as the real one . I'm gonna order the MK4 next . I have lots of rifles and different LAMs I don't need it now I can wait .
Heyo, I feel like you missed a YUGE point about the cost differential, that being: if a company sells a product to the US government, it has to be priced the same as it would be for an individual citizen, “off the shelf”. By marking the prices high, L3 ensures they’ll recoup their engineering and certification costs, while also guaranteeing they’ll get a premium price tag that “somebody” (taxpayers) will buy regardless of the actual cost and profit margin.
I think the gun and "tactical" space has a massive problem with this. Once they get a government contract at a wildly inflated price they don't have to care about competing on the market.
This right here. L3 does not care about private joe sales, they chase government contract and they are not allowed to mark up contract prices. This means private citizens are free to pay bribed contract prices
Silly Rabbits. How much do you think L3 sunk into this product in research, development, testing and evaluation for their product to meet and pass government requirements?
thanks for taking the time and money to do this. Good video. Ive been using the somo ngal for a while now and it works for what I use it for. have not had any issues with it. Just got to use it last night with some buddies.
Any highly regulated industry like this one has terrible pricing, slow advances in technology, lack of competition and creatively of products. Government ruins just about anything it touches
Businesses, including the gun industry, want to charge the most they can possibly charge. Period. The govt boogeyman is the gun industry gift that keeps giving. _from a gun owner_
It’s a bummer that the real one came in such poor condition. I’ve been noticing this more and more. I’m really disappointed in the quality of American manufacturers lately. China is making us look bad and it bums me out.
government contracts. KAC's cerakote looks like some DIY weekend warrior did it, but everyone will swear they are great because they can scam the government with them. mfs gotta have that operator cosplay tho so they keep buying it.
@@uoislame Idk what KAC you have owned (musta been a KAK and you got it wrong), but the finish on mine has been fine even after being abused. My eotech's finish is slaughtered, but the upper and lower almost look new.
The high cost of the L3 and others is greed, they have government contracts and over charge the government for these products and so we as a citizen want the same gear as the military we also have to pay high price point. Also the government bureaucrats that sign off on these contracts are part of the problem. These contracts could be negotiated but they don’t and it cost us the taxpayers.
Not really, a lot of it goes to testing and certification- certifications that the Chinese don’t have to go through, nor the pay between American labor and forced labor. And that has to include all design, lawyers, tooling and assembly line. And that’s just what you know of. There’s also destructive testing for every lot built. The company could have spent 5 yrs perfecting the design in order for it to pass the mil-spec requirements. Where the Chinese just buy one, backwards engineer and they have a product within 6 months, no testing, no lawyers … just copy and paste. And of course there’s profit, where the Chinese don’t care as much as they have less to lose. Can a business make a a $3500 part and sell for $500 to be competitive? Wait till you are in business and you have to front all the risks, pay & benefits, rent etc.
Such a childish way to look at this lmao. The guy in the video even explains to you why it costs so much. Research and development, certifications, permits, materials, marketing, etc. Everything is basically done already for these Chinese knockoff companies, they just have to copy it. It’s theft. I’m not saying the NGAL is worth the money, but there is a reason it costs as much as it does. And you’re a child whining that it costs what it does.
A ton of great information gathered with well thought out scientific tests used to compare the 3. It made me a subscriber and look forward to your next comparison.
It’s nice that companies are making good clones of these laser units it’s absurd that we as civilians have to pay 2000$+ for the neutered version of them if we don’t have Leo credentials, they only cost that much for the real ones because it’s literally illegal for companies to sell it cheaper to regular customers. 400$ is a bargain for use under night vision and makes it more affordable for people to get into
@Esch_atton Bro, the FDA employees don't make jack shit on on any of these products. They're a regulatory body that simply shouldn't have control over this crap.
I haven't watched all the way yet, so you may cover this; L3 has a spotty at best track record for quality with their lasers. Guts pulling out when removing the plug, etc. Since you have to go "gray market" when buying a full power L3, you will have *ZERO* warranty or support. And if you send it in to them, they will confiscate it. Generally speaking, their civilian offerings suck and cost well into the $1k-2k+ category. These big .gov contract companies give zero effs about the regular consumer, and the government regulating things further ruins things.
You can really see the difference in the spot light of the L3 where the diffuser gives you a more faded light concentration in the outer area that gives you a better depth of field than the cheaper clones. That depth of field is really important in gauging distances at night, but in all actuality we never used the infrared illuminators when I was in the infantry because it’s poor light discipline that’ll get you noticed by an enemy combatant using their own NVG.
@@4MRRanch If it ever comes down to it fellow night man, you'll be operating with other hostile elements in the woods near you if it ever comes down to that. Sounds spooky but that's a very real concern for a lot of the collection of this stuff, I hope I never have to use it for real.
Ordered a mk4. From talking directly with him he sounds very excited and happy about it compared to the mk3 so fingers crossed. Just need 4MRRanch to get his lol
I subbed after watching this. I do not have nods yet but when i get some this is the next purchase in line. For my application the clones will work well.
@@VanGorkomPete ###edited###still waiting. Placed my order Feb 29, 2024 (at this point the wait time was stated as 8 to 10 weeks). Communicated via email may 21st, was told it would be shipped by end of June. Once that date passed I again sent an email, (on July 2, 2024) asking for a status report, seeing as how the wait time has not only surpassed what I was originally told, but has also surpassed the current listed lead/wait time of 16 weeks...just received the following response: ####Hi, Sorry for the late reply. Just too busy, couldn’t get the time to reply to emails in a timely manner. Yes, production is on schedule, and much more stable now. The transition to the bigger workshop went very smoothly. There is an extremely large amount of orders placed in March. It's possible that the orders will get delayed a bit more. I'm expecting to get your unit ready by the end of the month. I'm doing the best I can. Your patience will be rewarded with the best quality unit. Thanks Jx ##### Recently I've looked into it and apparently there are people that waited over a year. While the wait certainly sucks, the lack of integrity and transparency is my biggest gripe. I guess time will tell...
Hey, you got one to compare. Sorry I never got back to you about loaning you my NGAL. Some life stuff came up and it slipped my mind. I'm glad you got one to compare though. Great video.
Nice comparison. At some point, could you show them mounted on a rail? Just want to see if there is any "play" in the clones when mounted. Or maybe just a comment on any differences on how secure they feel on a rail.
They now have a "solution ". They include a couple rubber/plastic pic rail spacers included in the box. Fixed my issue on my 22. AR rail. Somogear ngal that is.
Great vid. My somogear NGAL (purchased in 2023) is nowhere near that bright. I can barely make out the illuminator at 500 yards. Also the button makes a loud click, but it does hold zero
Great video! The real Ngal obviously wins. Thats the cleanest flood I’ve ever seen. However I’m extremely impressed with the invisible sight. I might have to pick one up and mess around with it.
Great series of videos, it has helped me a ton! If you still have these, could you take a measurement or the recoil lugs thickness? I ordered the Somogear and was thinking about adhering a flat square piece of rubber to the bottom the makeup for the lack of recoil lugs that would hopefully prolong it's life on my SCAR platforms. Thanks in advance!
@@4MRRanch ah ok, so the lugs fit down into a pic rail opening rather than not top of a pic rail segment. I guess I was thinking it sat on a pic rail segment for added surface area connection for stability.
I didn’t realize that InvisibleLaser was made in the USA. Which one do you have here: the ISeg NGAL, MK3 NGAL, or MK4 NGAL? Hopefully you are still answering questions to this video.
I can understand the difference between the 400 doller and the 5000 doller nvg, but what would be the real difference between the 460 and 480 doller nvg?
The L3 illuminator is brighter but not as clear as the others. Its like a bright fuzz ball. Invisible sight seemed better for me. Especially for the price point
From what I can tell, the L3 washes eceryrhing out and makes target acquisition more difficult. Thanks for the comparison. I think I'll stick with my knock off that I distinguish what I'm shooting at.
I kept the gain on the PVS 14 the same so as to be fair, you could turn it down and get less washout. Based on the metered numbers the L3 has a stronger output so at the same gain level it would make sense it looks more washed out comparatively.
They each have pros and cons. Currently the IS lead time isn’t great. The somo has a cleaner illuminator, but it can’t narrow or widen as much as the IS. So you have to way out the pros and cons
I think the invisible sight is the best the L3 is very strong and the other is kinda poor. But I did not know that you can see the beams with an other scope, because like this if you use these on the battle field basically you would expose yourself to the enemy, so projecting these IR beams from high using a combat drone (not a DJi) would be advisable I think.
Now, if only we can get quality night vision for a similar price point, everything I’ve seen, so far, has been far more than someone who doesn’t have a high paying job could afford. Even the DIY (3D printed) night vision is out of my price range
Tubes are a complicated technology to manufacture. It will be some time before a viable “knock off” can be made on the analog side of the house. That said, digital NV is getting better and cheaper
You may then may create fitment issues in your rail, but I suppose it could work. If you buy the real one because you need a rugged laser, scuffs probably shouldn’t be a concern
Do you think companies like L3 Steiner eotech etc care about these other brands taking market share? 1/10th the price is substantial. Additionally the quality on a lot of these cheaper brands are not that far off
They do care. A LOT. Especially L3, they go after these knock offs and try to gate keep in their own ways, or try and get the manufacturers not playing by FDA regs shut down.
Hold on I’m confused the second one you pulled out in the beginning you said was the real one then you pulled out the third one so the real one would be on the left not the middle
L3, Boeing, lockheed, etc..are the major players in the government military contract arena. You are correct the unit cost of $4k is overpriced and the material, workmanship, other costs must meet milspec requirements does not justify the pricetag. $400-$600 is likely the true cost of the L3 unit. Just because a manufacture must meet a specific mil standard doesnot mean the cost per unit should increase. Everyone knows that government contracts are intenionally overpriced due to lack of bidders, no bid opportunities afforded to select companies, and lack of competition.
Great comparisons --- Keep it up. So much equipment to compare so little time :) I am curious if you have ever tried some of the airsoft NGAL's ? I have a friend that uses one and Im surprised it worked so well for $99.00
Both cooked have held fine, 800+ rounds to date through the somo and 500 and counting through the invisblesigt. No issues yet, I have full length reviews on both on my channel.
I have 400 rounds on my Ngal, it has been banged into a door frame at least twice and fell my rifle has been knocked over multiple times… still holding zero.
I was waiting for you to mention it, however I don’t believe you did, but the InvisibleSight like the L3 had real diffusers as well. Sorry if you did mention this.
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This is the type of QUALITY content you get from science major UA-camrs who are well educated. Stark contrast to other dumb herp de derp 2A clowns
Seeing as how you have 3 now, I am willing to give one of them a good home. It would be extremely helpful! Thanks and keep up the excellent work!
@@yourfreedomisanillusion I don’t own the L3, and recently sold the somogear to fund the next video project!
@@4MRRanch --Dang it! Late again!!! Nice channel btw
Either the troops knew the L3 product was trash and never used it or they never bothered to open the box because no matter how cool the gear is, no soldier wants to be the slow camel wearing glasses while humping all that heavy gear all over Timbuktu. Once you see a tacti-cool ninja using flat range holds in a gunfight, you can really understand General Petraeus' mindset. Teaching kids is like herding cats
Letss go this is the comparison we all wanted the most! Great stuff
Glad it’s useful!
@@4MRRanch @4:06 those screws are getting mashed by that small multitool flathead lol
@@ilovefreeski I was being more careful than it may appear, I didn’t want to cause any damage. The adjustment screws on NGALs are small. Not a huge fan, I like the larger PEQ style hardware
L3 is definitely brighter, but to its detriment really washing out targets without any photonic barriers. The Somogear seems underpowered and not narrow. The Invisible Sight is super clean and just right powered to not wash out details. Not accounting for sturdiness and longevity, the Invisible Sight is the very clear winner to my eyes.
Like the vid, InvisibleSight for the win. Saving up to get one...Thanks bro.
It’s great for the money
Definitely the best just wishing would come sometime soon I bought 4 months ago with vicell upgrade .
@@jonsingleton203 took u 4 months to get a invisiblesight? that's about the same wait time to get a suppressor which is crazy
@turbo-coffee actually over 5 and it was worth every day and penny . This is nice I didn't get the 409 dollar one I got the vscell laser upgrade it was 650 . The illuminator is a beast it's as good as the real one . I'm gonna order the MK4 next . I have lots of rifles and different LAMs I don't need it now I can wait .
@@jonsingleton203does invisiblesight give you an update on the build while you wait for months?
I absolutely love these! These are the videos that we need for these devices on the market, this is truly helpful info!
I’m glad to hear it’s useful to you. Thanks for stopping by
Heyo, I feel like you missed a YUGE point about the cost differential, that being: if a company sells a product to the US government, it has to be priced the same as it would be for an individual citizen, “off the shelf”. By marking the prices high, L3 ensures they’ll recoup their engineering and certification costs, while also guaranteeing they’ll get a premium price tag that “somebody” (taxpayers) will buy regardless of the actual cost and profit margin.
I do mention something similar to this
I think the gun and "tactical" space has a massive problem with this. Once they get a government contract at a wildly inflated price they don't have to care about competing on the market.
This right here. L3 does not care about private joe sales, they chase government contract and they are not allowed to mark up contract prices. This means private citizens are free to pay bribed contract prices
Someone has to fill those fat envelopes that are slid across the table at various lunches and cocktail parties. So you're going to pay big bucks.
Silly Rabbits. How much do you think L3 sunk into this product in research, development, testing and evaluation for their product to meet and pass government requirements?
This is the most well done UA-cam review I have ever seen.
I appreciate the kind words. More to come
but what was the verdict?
thanks for taking the time and money to do this. Good video. Ive been using the somo ngal for a while now and it works for what I use it for. have not had any issues with it. Just got to use it last night with some buddies.
Glad to hear it, I’ve enjoyed the somo
does it hold zero and is weatherproof?
Any highly regulated industry like this one has terrible pricing, slow advances in technology, lack of competition and creatively of products. Government ruins just about anything it touches
Valid points lol
No terrible pricing , just governmt😂 laundry skim
@@luyanoH we are saying the same thing
Listen it’s for our own safety. It’s definitely not to put a gateway/roadblock on allowing civilians to run what the government runs 😉
Businesses, including the gun industry, want to charge the most they can possibly charge. Period. The govt boogeyman is the gun industry gift that keeps giving. _from a gun owner_
It’s a bummer that the real one came in such poor condition. I’ve been noticing this more and more. I’m really disappointed in the quality of American manufacturers lately. China is making us look bad and it bums me out.
This seems to be a trend lately. Hit or miss
When the clone is better than the genuine article lmao
government contracts. KAC's cerakote looks like some DIY weekend warrior did it, but everyone will swear they are great because they can scam the government with them. mfs gotta have that operator cosplay tho so they keep buying it.
It does suck but it's good also . Means we can get the better stuff cheaper
@@uoislame Idk what KAC you have owned (musta been a KAK and you got it wrong), but the finish on mine has been fine even after being abused. My eotech's finish is slaughtered, but the upper and lower almost look new.
Probably one of the best comparison videos I've watched. Nice work.
Appreciate that, thanks for watching.
@4MRRanch are the fakes good for the money?
Your testing and video results are invaluable. We need info like this to make informed choices. Thanks!!!
Happy to do it. I appreciate the positive feedback.
The high cost of the L3 and others is greed, they have government contracts and over charge the government for these products and so we as a citizen want the same gear as the military we also have to pay high price point. Also the government bureaucrats that sign off on these contracts are part of the problem. These contracts could be negotiated but they don’t and it cost us the taxpayers.
Hey Jack. Whatever it takes to keep hiking that tax rate on you peasants.
Not really, a lot of it goes to testing and certification- certifications that the Chinese don’t have to go through, nor the pay between American labor and forced labor.
And that has to include all design, lawyers, tooling and assembly line. And that’s just what you know of. There’s also destructive testing for every lot built.
The company could have spent 5 yrs perfecting the design in order for it to pass the mil-spec requirements.
Where the Chinese just buy one, backwards engineer and they have a product within 6 months, no testing, no lawyers … just copy and paste. And of course there’s profit, where the Chinese don’t care as much as they have less to lose.
Can a business make a a $3500 part and sell for $500 to be competitive? Wait till you are in business and you have to front all the risks, pay & benefits, rent etc.
TheLantzMann is 100% correct.
Such a childish way to look at this lmao. The guy in the video even explains to you why it costs so much. Research and development, certifications, permits, materials, marketing, etc. Everything is basically done already for these Chinese knockoff companies, they just have to copy it. It’s theft. I’m not saying the NGAL is worth the money, but there is a reason it costs as much as it does. And you’re a child whining that it costs what it does.
A ton of great information gathered with well thought out scientific tests used to compare the 3. It made me a subscriber and look forward to your next comparison.
Sick drone shots, this is becoming one of my favorite channels
Great breakdown and comparison.
Thank you. I appreciate you checking it out
It’s nice that companies are making good clones of these laser units it’s absurd that we as civilians have to pay 2000$+ for the neutered version of them if we don’t have Leo credentials, they only cost that much for the real ones because it’s literally illegal for companies to sell it cheaper to regular customers. 400$ is a bargain for use under night vision and makes it more affordable for people to get into
Fantastic comparison. That InvisibleSight seems like it's got a lot of bang for your buck compared to the L3, considering it's only 1/10th the price
Yep, if they could keep up with demand it would be a no brainer. Currently they have a lead time issue
Haven’t even watched yet and I know this one is worth the like
Much appreciated
Someone at the FDA is getting some real fat pockets off these laser contracts.
Yeah they’re pretty stringent on the regulations for these
That's not really how it works, though. The FDA is an executive branch of the government. They are a tax consumer.
@@printingwithpeek4897 it's exactly how it works. The military industrial complex exists to get bureaucrats rich
@Esch_atton Bro, the FDA employees don't make jack shit on on any of these products. They're a regulatory body that simply shouldn't have control over this crap.
@@printingwithpeek4897 someone is getting rich off of all the regulations around these things. Google the word rent seeking
I haven't watched all the way yet, so you may cover this; L3 has a spotty at best track record for quality with their lasers. Guts pulling out when removing the plug, etc. Since you have to go "gray market" when buying a full power L3, you will have *ZERO* warranty or support. And if you send it in to them, they will confiscate it. Generally speaking, their civilian offerings suck and cost well into the $1k-2k+ category. These big .gov contract companies give zero effs about the regular consumer, and the government regulating things further ruins things.
ASMR part slayed me and made me spit my coffee out.....well played my friend.
Man. That is crazy. Great stuff as always brother! 🤙🏼
I appreciate it. Thanks for watching.
I like that some of the ngal clones have a color option other than FDE
Yes invisible sight offers black too
Great job on the review series of this! Hands down the best review, comparison, and tests! Subscribed
You can really see the difference in the spot light of the L3 where the diffuser gives you a more faded light concentration in the outer area that gives you a better depth of field than the cheaper clones. That depth of field is really important in gauging distances at night, but in all actuality we never used the infrared illuminators when I was in the infantry because it’s poor light discipline that’ll get you noticed by an enemy combatant using their own NVG.
Yep and even more so now you need to assume enemy combatants have NV tech
@@4MRRanch If it ever comes down to it fellow night man, you'll be operating with other hostile elements in the woods near you if it ever comes down to that. Sounds spooky but that's a very real concern for a lot of the collection of this stuff, I hope I never have to use it for real.
Do you have the IS MK4 ngal? I’d be interested to see the comparison between the IS-EG and the mk4 to see the difference in quality.
I will soon and will be doing a comparison
Ordered a mk4. From talking directly with him he sounds very excited and happy about it compared to the mk3 so fingers crossed. Just need 4MRRanch to get his lol
Very interesting!! Not the results I expected, that is why this test comparison was so useful. Thanks for sharing.
Happy to help
I subbed after watching this. I do not have nods yet but when i get some this is the next purchase in line. For my application the clones will work well.
That’s for the sub, you’re in the right place to learn all you need to know before buying your nods. I’ll be doing an intro to NV segment very soon
@@4MRRanch What is NV? What is NGAL? I'm not a Cosplay Gamer, just like shooting guns
I'd probably go with the invisible sight. It still provides great clarity while keeping tighter over the L3 and Somogear
Ordered: 2/28/24. Received: 9/3/24
Are you still waiting? Just curious…🤔
@@VanGorkomPete ###edited###still waiting. Placed my order Feb 29, 2024 (at this point the wait time was stated as 8 to 10 weeks). Communicated via email may 21st, was told it would be shipped by end of June. Once that date passed I again sent an email, (on July 2, 2024) asking for a status report, seeing as how the wait time has not only surpassed what I was originally told, but has also surpassed the current listed lead/wait time of 16 weeks...just received the following response:
####Hi, Sorry for the late reply. Just too busy, couldn’t get the time to reply to emails in a timely manner. Yes, production is on schedule, and much more stable now. The transition to the bigger workshop went very smoothly. There is an extremely large amount of orders placed in March. It's possible that the orders will get delayed a bit more. I'm expecting to get your unit ready by the end of the month. I'm doing the best I can. Your patience will be rewarded with the best quality unit. Thanks Jx #####
Recently I've looked into it and apparently there are people that waited over a year. While the wait certainly sucks, the lack of integrity and transparency is my biggest gripe. I guess time will tell...
Yikes!
Hey, you got one to compare. Sorry I never got back to you about loaning you my NGAL. Some life stuff came up and it slipped my mind. I'm glad you got one to compare though. Great video.
All good, totally get it
@@4MRRanchYou holler at a playa when you see me on the street
9:33 what was that on the left in the sky was that a meteor
Thank you. Very well done, very effective comparison.
You really did a great job. Very thorough and professional
Thank you, more to come
Nice comparison. At some point, could you show them mounted on a rail? Just want to see if there is any "play" in the clones when mounted. Or maybe just a comment on any differences on how secure they feel on a rail.
No play in the IS or l3, the somo is somewhat temperamental to rail fitment
They now have a "solution ". They include a couple rubber/plastic pic rail spacers included in the box.
Fixed my issue on my 22. AR rail. Somogear ngal that is.
Solid info... appreciate you sharing with us all. Have a good one!. Respectfully, Seth
Happy to help, more to come
Easily the best video on this topic. Thank you 4MR your channel is killer for LAM vids
About 6 more LAM vids being filmed at the moment👀
Great vid. My somogear NGAL (purchased in 2023) is nowhere near that bright. I can barely make out the illuminator at 500 yards. Also the button makes a loud click, but it does hold zero
Can I ask about how many rounds through it?
@@llnaanllaround 1,000 rounds, on mostly PCCs
Looking forward to receiving my IS clone.
As you should be!
What has your wait time been?
which IS clone did you get?
@@Spanishproject123100 I only just ordered mid March, so it has not even been 30 days likely.
My Mk4 just shipped yesterday, ordered early January 2023.
Wow, great comparison test. Thank you.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching.
great video! surprised by the relatively low Hi output on the clones
Probably because l3 actually engineered their NGAL to efficiently shape the beam whereas the clones are just trying to mimic the real deal
Any chance of a comparison of laser spread after firing live ammo or even small drop tests?
I have full length reviews on both of the clones featured in this video already on the channel.
the InvisibleSight seems more clean of a light output, L3 put more power it looks like. great vid of side by side.
The L3 definitely packed more punch.
Great video! The real Ngal obviously wins. Thats the cleanest flood I’ve ever seen. However I’m extremely impressed with the invisible sight. I might have to pick one up and mess around with it.
I agree with your thoughts completely
Thank you so much.
You're welcome!
Great series of videos, it has helped me a ton! If you still have these, could you take a measurement or the recoil lugs thickness? I ordered the Somogear and was thinking about adhering a flat square piece of rubber to the bottom the makeup for the lack of recoil lugs that would hopefully prolong it's life on my SCAR platforms. Thanks in advance!
The lugs are roughly the thickness of a pic rail segment opening.
@@4MRRanch ah ok, so the lugs fit down into a pic rail opening rather than not top of a pic rail segment. I guess I was thinking it sat on a pic rail segment for added surface area connection for stability.
I didn’t realize that InvisibleLaser was made in the USA. Which one do you have here: the ISeg NGAL, MK3 NGAL, or MK4 NGAL? Hopefully you are still answering questions to this video.
Do you plan on reviewing a IS MK4 as well? I'm so tempted to go in on one
Yes. Will be doing a full review near term
@@4MRRanch Can't wait for that one. My MK4 is supposedly shipping in late may. 🤞🤞
@@hops8184when did you order the MK4? I ordered one MAR 1st.
Does someone know if this thing hold zero and is it water resistant?
I can understand the difference between the 400 doller and the 5000 doller nvg, but what would be the real difference between the 460 and 480 doller nvg?
Can you even purchase this anymore? The only one ive found is on TNVC with no pricing and just showing Restricted Government & LE only.
Yes. There are places to get them. Also, never trust TNVC with your credit card info.
The L3 illuminator is brighter but not as clear as the others. Its like a bright fuzz ball. Invisible sight seemed better for me. Especially for the price point
User preference, the L3 is definitely a stronger illuminator
This is a great video. I now know which one I will be purchasing
Glad it was helpful!
How does one get ahold of a full power ir illuminator?
Great video, but sure would be nice to have links to where one can find the best price on these devices.
@@titus450 I agree. Sadly UA-cam doesn’t let me link these kinds of things
From what I can tell, the L3 washes eceryrhing out and makes target acquisition more difficult. Thanks for the comparison. I think I'll stick with my knock off that I distinguish what I'm shooting at.
I kept the gain on the PVS 14 the same so as to be fair, you could turn it down and get less washout. Based on the metered numbers the L3 has a stronger output so at the same gain level it would make sense it looks more washed out comparatively.
I question the waterproofing in the clones
As you should. Check out my InvisbkeSight torture test
If you had to choose, Somogear or Invisible Sight? Which do you feel is better for the budget minded individuals?
They each have pros and cons. Currently the IS lead time isn’t great. The somo has a cleaner illuminator, but it can’t narrow or widen as much as the IS. So you have to way out the pros and cons
Can you stick a defuser on the somogear laser to dim it down a bit?
I think the invisible sight is the best the L3 is very strong and the other is kinda poor. But I did not know that you can see the beams with an other scope, because like this if you use these on the battle field basically you would expose yourself to the enemy, so projecting these IR beams from high using a combat drone (not a DJi) would be advisable I think.
Now, if only we can get quality night vision for a similar price point, everything I’ve seen, so far, has been far more than someone who doesn’t have a high paying job could afford. Even the DIY (3D printed) night vision is out of my price range
Tubes are a complicated technology to manufacture. It will be some time before a viable “knock off” can be made on the analog side of the house. That said, digital NV is getting better and cheaper
@@4MRRanch I do have files for digital panoramic NV, it’s just a matter of sourcing parts
Get an extra credit card just for toys. Over the years, that’s how I got both my ACOG and my PVS-7Ds.
So in order to use on of these devices you have to have some sort of night vision goggles on as well?
Yes, it’s a supplemental tool for night vision
great video. so glad i came across you
Likewise, welcome to the channel!
Can’t find the invisiblesight anywhere
Where are reputable sites for the invisible?
Founder industries. Expect a long lead time.
I'd like to know if the china models are affected by recoil?
I have very detailed reviews on each clone covering that exact question
I had a ngal once. The Doc cut it off, now I feel better
Somogear says for “design for airsoft use!” How many rounds can this somogear NGAL hold up to lead airsoft use?
Been running a somogear peq15 for almost 3 months now. It works
Yes it does. Not bad at all for the money
Link?
Is this the InvisibleSight NGAL mk4 or the NGAL IS-EG
IS-EG NGAL
Where can I get the clone I’m gonna be honest I can’t afford the real but I like the design
Does adding tape to the scuff mark areas help keep up the finish?
You may then may create fitment issues in your rail, but I suppose it could work.
If you buy the real one because you need a rugged laser, scuffs probably shouldn’t be a concern
What is invisible sights official website? Awesome video by the way!
UA-cam doesn’t love me linking things, so Google “invisblesight is-eg” or go to the evolution gear website
The FDA is certifying IR illuminators now? Weird
Excellent work... any chance you can review the MAWL C1 and clones in the same way? Especially the newer metal ones from WADSN.
I compared 2 different mawls and the wadsn clone in the large laser comparison video on my channel
@@4MRRanch Right on! I'll check it out.. thanks! Great work by the way. Detailed. Intelligent. Thorough. 👌
The invisiblesight seems as good and in some ways better than the real L3 or is that just me?
It's better for me personally but it's really a matter of perspective, The QC on the L3 made me not like it thought.
Do you think companies like L3 Steiner eotech etc care about these other brands taking market share? 1/10th the price is substantial. Additionally the quality on a lot of these cheaper brands are not that far off
They do care. A LOT. Especially L3, they go after these knock offs and try to gate keep in their own ways, or try and get the manufacturers not playing by FDA regs shut down.
I own invisible sight peq15. It is really good unit.
Outstanding vid, very surprising that for 400 bucks you get just about the same that a 4k plus unit offers.
Keep in mind this video compares output, NOT reliability..
Hold on I’m confused the second one you pulled out in the beginning you said was the real one then you pulled out the third one so the real one would be on the left not the middle
L3, Boeing, lockheed, etc..are the major players in the government military contract arena. You are correct the unit cost of $4k is overpriced and the material, workmanship, other costs must meet milspec requirements does not justify the pricetag. $400-$600 is likely the true cost of the L3 unit. Just because a manufacture must meet a specific mil standard doesnot mean the cost per unit should increase. Everyone knows that government contracts are intenionally overpriced due to lack of bidders, no bid opportunities afforded to select companies, and lack of competition.
This vid got you a subscriber. Really well done, thank you.
Thanks for watching, many more to come
Thank you very useful.
Happy to help
Great review. Needed this.
Glad it was helpful!
Where did you buy the invisible sight NGAL
Straight from IS/founder industries
Is it possible to cerakote these black?
IS-EG has a black option
Great comparisons --- Keep it up. So much equipment to compare so little time :) I am curious if you have ever tried some of the airsoft NGAL's ? I have a friend that uses one and Im surprised it worked so well for $99.00
Even with the clones, everything you need to shoot night vision, you are up at the cost of a very good 640x512 thermal.
It seems that sometimes more illumination is too much illumination.
How bout explaining what it is in the beginning..?
These are IR aiming devices for use with night vision. Those who need to use these know exactly what they are.
What illuminator type is that ? EEL or VCSEL?
EEL on the IS
Awesome video man than you for the insight
Well done, thank you
Thanks for watching
Any where to buy the L3 without being Law enforcement?
Email vitalendvrs@gmail.com, tell him 4MR Ranch sent you and he will discuss your laser needs with you
How well do they hold zero after 500 rounds vs L3
Both cooked have held fine, 800+ rounds to date through the somo and 500 and counting through the invisblesigt. No issues yet, I have full length reviews on both on my channel.
I have 400 rounds on my Ngal, it has been banged into a door frame at least twice and fell my rifle has been knocked over multiple times… still holding zero.
I was waiting for you to mention it, however I don’t believe you did, but the InvisibleSight like the L3 had real diffusers as well. Sorry if you did mention this.
Yes the IS has working diffusers.
It's mentioned right here 5:03
Is the invisible sight the same model ngal as the edtactical?
The IS-EG is a invisblesight (IS) collaboration with Evolution Gear (EG)
Are the EG NGALs on par with the IS?
Would it be easy to source laser diffusers for the somogear?
Not that I’m aware of. Only real L3 diffusers out there
This is the InvisibleSight/Evolution Gear NGAL right? Not the actual IS mk4?
Correct
yes. "IS:EG NGAL"