Until the Ck3 agot mod comes out I still play this haha. In my games the Sarnori always seem stable. Usually Khal Moro gets killed early and the Dothraki turn on each other pretty quick. Playing as the Dothraki is very hard because if you lose one battle or God forbid get captured you can lose everything. You have to be careful and make sure you don’t die unless your heir is a adult and skilled warrior otherwise your realm is gone.
The Dothraki just don't know when to calm down. Slaughtering entire civilizations then changing the names of the ruins into offensive ones. Now with serving Dany, they either win and get to destroy Westeros or lose and end up like the people they've ruined, into small groups of people.
wonderful civilisation?? The sarnori people destroyed the cultures of the original people in the region like the Gipps and the Qaathi. Also everything was about power, possession and dominion. They helped each other just in the worst cases.. selfish idiots.. The Sarnori mocked the Dothraki.. Dothraki striked back.. justice wins always :)
Ekhem... burning of great Sarnori library - not barbarity at all, right? Yeah, Sarnor was a great civilization, without a doubt much greater and superior to Dothraki, with sophisticated art, culture and literature. They destroyed and conquered like every civilization, not made genocide to everyone around them, that's a difference. And what if everything was about power and dominion? In the same time what culture does Dothraki possess? What art? None. They don't create, they only destroy.
EpicMe3 Nah I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't let your people be pompous asses who believe they can use and manipulate the Dothraki into destroying their rival countrymen for them and you'll be good.
Great video, love the deeper cuts! Anyone subscribed to this channel is familiar with the shows material, but getting into expanded universe is what makes you the best.
they are the unsullied.. enslaved by the dothraki sold to the slaver cities, the women made into Ores and the children of those slave Ores castrated & trained to be soldier slaves which became known as the unsullied..
Like the Mongols did. They make their slaves build basic stuff, and once the gates are down or some Dothraki slipped through and opened them, they just go in and rape everyone. That or they taunt them into attacking in an open field, killing the garrison outside the city and taking over the undefended settlement.
Simon Bourdin The Mongols did not have siege weapons for quite some time. It was only after the capture of siege weapons and engineers that they adopted the tactics you describe. You also make it sound like light cavalry are somehow lesser than heavy units which in itself is incredibly ignorant. I suggest you read up on early Mongolian siege tactics they are quite interesting. At least one siege involved forcing locals to pile themselves along a section of the city walls, forming a human ramp.
They were few in heavy infantry though. Heavy infantry requires vast concentration of resources and usually the Mongols were taking on nations were greater resources and populations. Meeting them infantry versus infantry wasn't going to go well for the Mongols. They likely did have light infantry though for siege work and skirmishes. Slaves did not make siege engines. After all you can't make a slave do a good job and making siege engines especially more advanced ones was a very difficult craft so they likely just hired local artisans to teach them and then learn how to make it.
How does audible have the money to sponsor all these UA-camrs? I dont know a single person who uses it and the only time I've hear of anyone listening to audiobooks is on occasional long car rides
@@matepavic6929 no Huzhor Amai is just a legendary king. The last hero variations tend to be places near the edges of the known world as those would be the people who had to actually deal with the others. The dothraki, for example, have no recollection of the long night but they also dont care much about history.
@@libenhagos9335 True, but Dothraki don't write or record history, so it makes sense that they might forgot it, and also, they only came to Central Essos after the Long night, crossing the Bone mountains. Besides, obvious name similarity.
I am too lazy to check how many years exactly have passed(at least 300?), but there should be a lot more than 20k Sarnori now. Wouldn't it be cool, if they had been preparing to take revenge on Horse boys?
I feel like this story is a merge of several different histories, like that of Holy Roman Empire, East Roman Empire, Balkan states (especially the story of eastern invaders, disunity and the field of crows) middle eastern civilisations...interesting.
Okay sorry i love your all your asoiaf content but i keep wondering every time you show a map of the Valyrian Freehold's size i keep thinking you forget Essaria now there is also a chance i am talking poop
I've talked about Essaria before, like in my Dothraki vid, I don't usually include it in the Valyrian maps though because it was not a full city yet, just an early settlement when it was destroyed.
Sometimes I hope the when the dothraki return to essos after Daenerys death that the free cities will decide to take action and attack there ships leaving them to drown the dothraki are honestly the worst essos would be better without them .
Because they only destroy and build nothing. Your ancestors the valyrians built what the Dothraki tried to destroy. If they tried this before the doom they’d thankfully be ashes before they could make it past one Sarnori city.
They are bully and they only seek to destroy because they think buildings and farm hurting their mother earth (maybe their goddess something like that), they bullied and razed civilization that are weaker than them, like they don't even have a guts to face Valyrian Freehold and Kingdom of Ifequevron when they still around
Sarnor, Qaathia, Ifequeveron (colony of Ibben), and Essaria all got destroyed by the Dothraki. The descendents that survived are all angry that their nations and cities are gone. No wonder why these people (Sarnori, Qaathi, wood walkers, Essarians, and Ibbenese) hate the Dothraki so much.
Also some connection to Reeds as their castle floats "The Fisher Queens ruled from a floating palace that made its way endlessly around its shores." "Kings and lords and wise men sought their floating palace for their counsel." Sought meaning it wasn't in one place Reeds: "It is a castle[6] built upon a crannog, one of the man-made floating islands of the swamps, and it does not stay in the same place, making it impossible for ravens or enemies to find." Plus First Men were wildlings of Essos they were running like Andals did from Valyrians reason for their insistance for getting Westeros...Children of the forest were easier target to fight than other more advanced civilizations that see them nothing more than barbarians they would have been treated like Westeros treats Wildlings mby even worse
Weren't they described as brown skinned people? Anyway, the Dothrakis are bad at naming, all their city names almost applied to every others they destroyed... not very original, can't expect much from them except destroying everything they can't do themselves.
Anybody else find it weird the Sarnori has steel in the dawn age? Well before the Rhoynar supposedly invented it? Maybe George is going to subvert his own history.
@fat cow thats right.. The difference between GRRM and tolkien is that GRRM's asoif is bit more grounded and seems like real history and less like fantasy.. Its like fantasy in real life including tje dragons like the dragons gives huge advantage to those who tamed them and a feared and magic is more subtle almost like in real life(not saying it real but just saying its very close)
From what I see the fact that Sarnor fought side by side with the Dragonlords of Valyria during the Ghiscari Wars makes me think that in some ways Sarnor and Valyria were G.R.R Martin's version of Rohan and Gondor.
Screw the Dothraki, destroying so much history and culture. Every time I play CK2 I destroy the Dothraki as soon as possible
Timothy Spears Someone needs to Make Sarnor Great Again
"We have the best walls. Believe me...."
#MSGA
Same, yet I can't feel pity for the tall men, as their greed was their undoing..
It's fun playing as a Khal.
Until the Ck3 agot mod comes out I still play this haha.
In my games the Sarnori always seem stable. Usually Khal Moro gets killed early and the Dothraki turn on each other pretty quick.
Playing as the Dothraki is very hard because if you lose one battle or God forbid get captured you can lose everything. You have to be careful and make sure you don’t die unless your heir is a adult and skilled warrior otherwise your realm is gone.
The Dothraki just don't know when to calm down. Slaughtering entire civilizations then changing the names of the ruins into offensive ones. Now with serving Dany, they either win and get to destroy Westeros or lose and end up like the people they've ruined, into small groups of people.
Such sad ending to such wonderful civilisation. ;(
wonderful civilisation?? The sarnori people destroyed the cultures of the original people in the region like the Gipps and the Qaathi.
Also everything was about power, possession and dominion. They helped each other just in the worst cases.. selfish idiots..
The Sarnori mocked the Dothraki.. Dothraki striked back.. justice wins always :)
Ekhem... burning of great Sarnori library - not barbarity at all, right?
Yeah, Sarnor was a great civilization, without a doubt much greater and superior to Dothraki, with sophisticated art, culture and literature. They destroyed and conquered like every civilization, not made genocide to everyone around them, that's a difference. And what if everything was about power and dominion?
In the same time what culture does Dothraki possess? What art? None. They don't create, they only destroy.
@@spatzle9112 dothraki had no culture.
Now for the mighty Ibbenese to come and claim the fallen kingdom for themselves! (Yes, I get carried away fan fictioning these thing 😏)
The kingdom of Sarnor make me think in the Rus of Kiev, with many principalities and the Fields of Crows in the battle of River Kalka (1223)
Huzhor Amai, sounds similar to some other really important name, don't you think?
Exactly what I thought after hearing that name
Azor Ahai
@@markotomanic550 yea we know
Maybe it was a descendant of Azor Ahai
Note to self, don't settle near Dothraki in CIV with ASOIAF mod.
EpicMe3 Nah I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't let your people be pompous asses who believe they can use and manipulate the Dothraki into destroying their rival countrymen for them and you'll be good.
Dothraki are bunch of freakin animals.
Great video, love the deeper cuts! Anyone subscribed to this channel is familiar with the shows material, but getting into expanded universe is what makes you the best.
aah ,finally some information on this insignificant piece of land
Holy shit that was brutal. The Sarnori should’ve bought some unsullied.
The Unsullied didn't exist back then iirc
Mateo G. de A. They actually did. A few years later the dothrahki would attack Qohor and all it took was three thousand unsullied to defeat them.
They should have sent a message to dragonstone offering anything in exchange for air support.
they are the unsullied.. enslaved by the dothraki sold to the slaver cities, the women made into Ores and the children of those slave Ores castrated & trained to be soldier slaves which became known as the unsullied..
Feeling Mesopotamia vibes right there
Diogenes the drunk almost is Mesopotamia only way more advanced
More like anatolian farmer vibes
How exactly did the dothraki sack cities? As far as we've been told they don't have siege weapons.
Imperialx Warlord probably force prisoners to build ladders and rams, using them as human shields.
Like the Mongols did. They make their slaves build basic stuff, and once the gates are down or some Dothraki slipped through and opened them, they just go in and rape everyone.
That or they taunt them into attacking in an open field, killing the garrison outside the city and taking over the undefended settlement.
Well... Not quite.
The Kingdom of Sarnor was actually quite well know for its fancy, white stonewalled Cities and Castles.
Simon Bourdin The Mongols did not have siege weapons for quite some time. It was only after the capture of siege weapons and engineers that they adopted the tactics you describe. You also make it sound like light cavalry are somehow lesser than heavy units which in itself is incredibly ignorant. I suggest you read up on early Mongolian siege tactics they are quite interesting. At least one siege involved forcing locals to pile themselves along a section of the city walls, forming a human ramp.
They were few in heavy infantry though. Heavy infantry requires vast concentration of resources and usually the Mongols were taking on nations were greater resources and populations. Meeting them infantry versus infantry wasn't going to go well for the Mongols. They likely did have light infantry though for siege work and skirmishes.
Slaves did not make siege engines. After all you can't make a slave do a good job and making siege engines especially more advanced ones was a very difficult craft so they likely just hired local artisans to teach them and then learn how to make it.
The City of The Blood Charge sounds honorable. 90% of the time when a Dothraki conquers a city they give it an insulting name.
How does audible have the money to sponsor all these UA-camrs? I dont know a single person who uses it and the only time I've hear of anyone listening to audiobooks is on occasional long car rides
Is there any possible connection between Huzhor Amai and Azor Ahai?
rogbel Probably Sarnori variation of the Last hero.
@@matepavic6929 no Huzhor Amai is just a legendary king. The last hero variations tend to be places near the edges of the known world as those would be the people who had to actually deal with the others. The dothraki, for example, have no recollection of the long night but they also dont care much about history.
@@libenhagos9335 True, but Dothraki don't write or record history, so it makes sense that they might forgot it, and also, they only came to Central Essos after the Long night, crossing the Bone mountains. Besides, obvious name similarity.
I think it’s just a variation of Azor Ahai, kinda like the flood myths.
I wanna see more authors write in this universe
I really like the Kingdom of Sarnor, Rhoynar, Valyria and Ghis but they fall like empires in our history :(
And now only the empire of Westeros left,aka the Six Kingdoms!
@@jekesan4221 Westeros isn't an Empire
@@excessiveone9952 Yes,it's a continent, so what should I call it? Six Kingdoms Empire?
@@jekesan4221 YiTi is still around
There's some interesting theory's about these guys that could play into a dream of spring
I can comment now I am unable to find any further information on this theory. Any additional you can add to that?
Yep I am intrigued too!
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Please don't leave us hanging OP.
I am too lazy to check how many years exactly have passed(at least 300?), but there should be a lot more than 20k Sarnori now. Wouldn't it be cool, if they had been preparing to take revenge on Horse boys?
Yes I LOVE your channnel!!! Please do more ASOIF vids
:)
The Fisher Queen at 0:16 doesn't have a neck...
Please please please do a history of the Rhoynar People that would be great!
Damn the Dothraki just killed everyone
I feel like this story is a merge of several different histories, like that of Holy Roman Empire, East Roman Empire, Balkan states (especially the story of eastern invaders, disunity and the field of crows) middle eastern civilisations...interesting.
How can they concer a city with stone walls if they are only cavalry
the sarnori met the dothraki on an open field
Would you be willing to please produce episode videos for ST Discovery?
I probably will at some point.
I think the Sarnori are my favorite ASOIAF Civilization
For me East is where it’s at. Yi Ti, Leng, Plains of the Jogos Nhai, the Three Cities of Kayakayanaya and those other two, man it’s awesome 😎.
What are the sources?
Jaypaque The world of ice and fire,basically Silmarilion of The song of ice and fire universe.
fuck i gotta buy the world of ice and fire
Okay sorry i love your all your asoiaf content but i keep wondering every time you show a map of the Valyrian Freehold's size i keep thinking you forget Essaria now there is also a chance i am talking poop
I've talked about Essaria before, like in my Dothraki vid, I don't usually include it in the Valyrian maps though because it was not a full city yet, just an early settlement when it was destroyed.
CivilizationEx really oh i thought it was a city because it was already reffered to as the lost Free city but thanks for explaining
Sometimes I hope the when the dothraki return to essos after Daenerys death that the free cities will decide to take action and attack there ships leaving them to drown the dothraki are honestly the worst essos would be better without them .
So many Dothraki haters
Why?
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Because they only destroy and build nothing. Your ancestors the valyrians built what the Dothraki tried to destroy. If they tried this before the doom they’d thankfully be ashes before they could make it past one Sarnori city.
They are bully and they only seek to destroy because they think buildings and farm hurting their mother earth (maybe their goddess something like that), they bullied and razed civilization that are weaker than them, like they don't even have a guts to face Valyrian Freehold and Kingdom of Ifequevron when they still around
Sarnor, Qaathia, Ifequeveron (colony of Ibben), and Essaria all got destroyed by the Dothraki. The descendents that survived are all angry that their nations and cities are gone. No wonder why these people (Sarnori, Qaathi, wood walkers, Essarians, and Ibbenese) hate the Dothraki so much.
Fischer queens? Major Arthurian vibes. Arthur and his father were "Fisher Kings" aka the bloodline charged with guarding the holy grail
Also some connection to Reeds as their castle floats
"The Fisher Queens ruled from a floating palace that made its way endlessly around its shores."
"Kings and lords and wise men sought their floating palace for their counsel."
Sought meaning it wasn't in one place
Reeds: "It is a castle[6] built upon a crannog, one of the man-made floating islands of the swamps, and it does not stay in the same place, making it impossible for ravens or enemies to find."
Plus First Men were wildlings of Essos they were running like Andals did from Valyrians reason for their insistance for getting Westeros...Children of the forest were easier target to fight than other more advanced civilizations that see them nothing more than barbarians they would have been treated like Westeros treats Wildlings mby even worse
Weren't they described as brown skinned people? Anyway, the Dothrakis are bad at naming, all their city names almost applied to every others they destroyed... not very original, can't expect much from them except destroying everything they can't do themselves.
Intriguing culture more than the valyrians
Anybody else find it weird the Sarnori has steel in the dawn age? Well before the Rhoynar supposedly invented it?
Maybe George is going to subvert his own history.
Do skyrim lore!
Busker Busker "Skyrim lore"
Elder Scrolls
I'm hoping to do my first Elder Scrolls vid by the end of the year.
+CivilizationEx Awesome, it's a very interesting setting. I hope you eventually go into CHIM, that shit's wack.
Busker Busker lol Skyrim baby
This is litterally just Arnor from lord of the rings. Real origional GRRM.
yeah but he did just take Arnor and stick an S at the start.
Im just commenting in the similarity of the name.
@fat cow thats right.. The difference between GRRM and tolkien is that GRRM's asoif is bit more grounded and seems like real history and less like fantasy.. Its like fantasy in real life including tje dragons like the dragons gives huge advantage to those who tamed them and a feared and magic is more subtle almost like in real life(not saying it real but just saying its very close)
Face it, this is S - Arnor, homage to Tolkien's fallen kindgom of Arnor.
From what I see the fact that Sarnor fought side by side with the Dragonlords of Valyria during the Ghiscari Wars makes me think that in some ways Sarnor and Valyria were G.R.R Martin's version of Rohan and Gondor.
Fin ❤
Nickel...
Huzor Amai and the Boltons, great parallel
? how are they parallel in anyway shape or form your comment makes no sense to me please explain it
If "Together we stand.. divided we fall" was a nation 😤
The name is definatly inspired by LOTR
Seis...
Weird depiction weren’t the sarnor people described as fair skinned with blonde hair
Nope described as brown of skin with hair and eyes as dark as coals
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¿Mesopotamia? Entonces el doradito de Gilgamesh le puede gritar ¡Zasshu! a los Dothrakis 😂
Sound like Medieval Persians invaded by the Mongols
Can you guys cover Stranger Things? The story and events look intriguing on that show. Probably still alot of mystery there.
benevolent hahaha
Early Bird!
GOT milk?
Oh, so it's like Baghdad when it got sacked by the Mongolians.
Yo civi you ever gonna do more world of Warcraft?
Probably not, didn't get many views.