Woke: "Redeemed Zoomer is Jewish." Broke: "Redeemed Zoomer isn't Jewish because he converted to Christianity." Bespoke: "Redeemed Zoomer isn't Jewish because his mother isn't."
Incredibly glad you have the ability to just speak your mind and say what you think without worrying about being labeled as an anti-Semite. There are many “Christians” who would be more upset about the things you’ve said here and than they get about someone saying Christianity is for stupid people or something along those lines.
I’m an Israeli Catholic from a Jewish background (parents are Jews). You are correct but missing some points about Messianic Judaism. Messianic Jews are Evangelicals. They are funded and taught by international Evangelical groups and when you go to their services/meetings you’ll see a HUGE emphasis on the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. They do believe in the Nicene Creed and I personally talked with a Messianic pastor who confirmed that. The reason they don’t just call themselves Christian is that they want to label the Jewish religion as something that isn’t contradictory to Christianity. They know Jewish people don’t want to stop being called Jewish, so they emphasis that being Jewish and believing in Jesus is compatible. Also Hebrew Catholics (like me) and Messianic Jews don’t accept any post Christian Jewish teaching but they do feel that it’s important for them to preserve biblical law and customs in light of the Christian faith because we still consider ourselves as descendants of ancient Hebrews. I would suggest to read more about Jewish Christians who are mainly Evangelical or Hebrew Catholic. They aren’t separate from the historic church. I personally think Messianic Jews should be more clear about the fact that they are Christians and Evangelical but they just know Jews will automatically reject that. One small thing: Messianic services are very stereotypical Protestant services. There’s a band doing contemporary worship music before the sermon. (That’s not a criticism haha)
I wasn’t aware there was such a thing as a Hebrew Catholic! Are you in communion with the Roman Catholic Church? Are your liturgies in Hebrew? Do you know of any good resources that would explain your tradition?
As someone who has a lot of Messianic Jewish friends and has gone to a lot of their services, I get a lot of the criticisms RZ raises here. However, I will say that for all the problems that arise in the Messianic Jewish world, some of the most faithful, most intelligent believers I know are Messianic Jews. They are stoutly Trinitarian, believe Jesus is God, and identify with the Church. There are certainly a lot of problems that can arise among individual members-for example, you get a lot of gentile larpers, and some may deny the Trinity (but this is condemned by their statements of faith. I even recall visiting a Bible study and one crazy old guy started denying the Trinity, only for the Rabbi and every other person to sternly correct him). I think it is good that Messianic Judaism exists, as it allows for ethnically Jewish people who believe in Jesus to redeem their own culture and for gentiles it provides helpful insights into the Jewishness of Jesus and the NT. But there’s definitely a lot of messiness in it that needs to be improved. Also a quick note for RZ: the Hebrew Roots movement is a separate thing from Messianic Judaism. I can say for a fact that my Messianic friends do not have kind words for Hebrew Roots people😂
'Gentile larpers' is just... wrong. If everyone regardless of race is allowed to be Christian, then I don't see how they shouldn't be allowed to be religiously Jewish.
@@rdococ because Christianity is not bound by ethnicity. Judaism, Jewish tradition, and Jewish culture largely are. This is why followers of rabbinic Judaism don’t proselytize to gentiles-they’re only concerned about their fellow ethnic Jews. It’s totally fine as a gentile if you’re honoring Jewish traditions *with* your Jewish friends while recognizing that you are a gentile, but when gentiles abandon the identity that God gave them in pursuit of a Jewish one that’s not really theirs, that’s when I take issue. Likewise, if a Jewish person becomes a Christian, I don’t want them to abandon their identity to become more “gentile.” God made a person a Jew or a Gentile for a reason.
@@coopahtroopah1175 he can be a Jewish Christian which he is . He's saying Jesus fulfilled all the 325 prophecies in the tanahk which is a better explanation than Judaism gives in my opinion.
Good take. BUT A major hole in your discussion here is the identity of messianic Jews in Israel. In Israel by default a messianic Jew is an Israeli citizen (meaning Jewish enough to have obtained Israeli citizenship) who believes in Jesus as the messiah. They use this term Messianic Jew because to use the Hebrew term for Christian “Notzrim” actually doesn’t carry the same parallel connotation that the words “Christian” and “Messianic” have (both mean followers of Messiah) and furthermore generally has a negative connotation. So in Israel to be a “Christian” is really to be “Messianic” and vice versa. I will concede the fact that many Israeli messianic Jews do not see a clear connection between themselves and any Christian faith tradition, yet they by and large consider themselves a part of the global Christian community, albeit a uniquely Jewish ethnic denomination. They are also Nicene in their theology, and even had a council a few years ago to agree on the divinity of Christ and essentially “de-fellowship” a few congregations that were dogmatically Unitarian. If you want a good research survey on the matter, read the Caspari Center’s book called “Jesus believing Israelis” Source: I live and work in Israel
I very much agree. I go to a messianic service Saturday mornings and church on Sunday. I believe, in a very real sense, they connect me back to the roots of our faith. They really give a great perspective on the Jewishness of Jesus in tradition and culture. The Messianic teachers also teach through the Law and scriptures like no mainstream church I have ever witnessed, and there statement of faith is super solid. Learning more about Jesus' Jewishness has made Him more personal and real. Love my friends at K'vod Israel! Edit: Also Messianic Jews have NOTHING to do with the Hebrew Roots movement. I feel like a lot of RZ speculations of Messianic Jews really just comes from a false association with the HR movement.
One of my professors in college is the pastor of a hybrid Messianic Jewish/Southern Baptist congregation. He himself is not Messianic Jewish and the congregation is a mix of both Jews and Gentiles. His theology is incredibly fascinating.
Thank you for this video. Growing up Jewish, I recall a rabbi in my college days (temple near campus) who essentially said if you go down the path of Christianity or intermarriage, you score a victory for Hit!er and you betray centuries of Jewish history, and insult the memory of your ancestors who died for being Jewish. It was a terrible sense of guilt. I used to not be able to think of Jesus without feeling that God would punish me. Moving to Christianity, began with feeling disconnected and alienated from Judaism, and started reading the New Testament. My cousin told me the New Testament is nothing but Jew hatred and I could not convince him otherwise. I considered Messianic Judaism, but you have the same caste system you get in rabbinic Judaism, with hierarchies dependent on how observant you are: eg, you are judged as not as good a Jew as one who observes the Sabbath and is strictly kosher or knows the rituals. I find myself drawn to Protestantism, considering Methodist vs Presbyterian.
I'm sorry if the Messianic Jewish congregation you went treats you that way, I mean I thought Jesus was to teach us to not be judgemental? Are you in the US, because most of my exposure are the ones from Israel.
Hehe, Church's Chicken. I'm sorry, I had to. Anyhow, maybe your church needs a Reconquista against the chickens as well? Help reclaim the mainline church and also get us some blessed Chick-fil-A sandwiches as well?
@@fleebogazeezig6642in general, no. But many dont consider it a matter or salvation, but as a voluntary matter or conscience. But there are varying opinions.
@@fleebogazeezig6642 According to a quick google search…no, apparently not. They’re not allowed to eat Pork, Shellfish, etc., same as other Jews I suppose.
Messianic here. I can offer some insight. We consider ourselves to be a bridge between modern day Judaism and modern day Christians. We try to focus more on coming as close to 2nd temple Judaism that Jesus practiced rather than modern Judaism. So neither 2nd temple Sadduces nor Pharisees got it right. Sadduces of 2nd temple time were elected in and not blood line like they were supposed to be. Think John the Baptist. And Pharisees were like synagogue leaders. Modern day Judaism is based mostly on Pharisees because they mostly survived by being near the Galilee as Jerusalem was destroyed. Just like any denomination or faith there are extremes. To make it easier most Hebrew Movement or Jews for Jesus are Messianics. Not all Messianics are Hebrew Movement or Jews for Jesus. Most Messianics do not associate with Hebrew Movement. Especially mainline like UMJC or One for Israel. And yes we believe God is in three parts but one. Hope this helps clear some things up.
I have never played Minecraft, but I really enjoy these videos and the information you share! Thank you for the time and effort you put into these videos.
I am very appreciative of this content. The clash between Christians and Jews is arguably the most fundamental one of the past 2000 years. How do we love those who reject (and sometimes, even hate) God? From the perspective of an outsider, it seems the Church has not found a clear, unified answer to this conundrum. Enshrined anti-semitism, not least in the teachings of the Church Fathers, and a shift to egalitarian ignorance of the real differences as of Vatican II. Surely, it is these people, those who hate us, who need our love the most? In the complex chaos, the eye of the storm is remembering to love God above all. Beyond this, pride lurks around every corner.
For the 1st and 2nd century, while there may be turmoil, many Jews who believed in Jesus were proud of their Jewishness, that even Paul said he is still a Pharisee even when he was sharing the word. I'd argue the "schism" started after the destruction of Jerusalem, then Christianity became a Roman state religion, and the Jewishness of the faith got replaced by the Romaness of it, and in repsonse the Pharisees made counter statements against this interperation of Christianity - IMO it's 2 warring factions that seemed more sinister than holy.
This insight on what a hebrew expreriences among its own race because of Christ reminds me of stories of the new testament. Your faith is so strong that I admire you Zoomer since you basically are not accepted among your people for Christ.
I’m also a Jewish Christian. I was denied the “birthright” travel to Israel based on my Christian upbringing. It’s really sad how hateful Jews are to Christianity
@@justicebinder6544 It's kinda our fault because our leaders and people treated them terribly for centuries. Doesn't excuse it nowadays as we've grown as a people, mostly closer to Jesus's teachings.
@@antigonarosaura7845 didn’t say they aren’t. My family celebrates many of our cultural Jewish holidays still , and I’m proud of my heritage. It’s just hurtful that I’ll always be a bit of an outsider looking in
Watching this helped me understand why it is difficult for people like Ben Shapiro to come to a decision to convert to Christ or accept arguments like those William Lane Craig gave him during the interview they did.
The Jewish culture understandably is afraid of Christianity, although most only know of Catholic (and from Eastern Europe diaspora, Orthodox), who did make progroms and had discrimination, but also on the Rabbinic Jewish side tried to emphasize how Jesus isn't the Messiah and that the New Testament is "anti-semitic" - I'd argue many Messianic Jews are brave of reading the New Testament on their own, although many seem to be secular Jews who really haven't been under Rabbinic influence anyway.
John Harrigan would be another great dialogue partner for this topic. For a layman like me, his historical critique of realized eschatology is very compelling. (He's not a Dispensationalist either)
Wise decisions all around. I don't have as recent Jewish ancestry as you, but my grandma's family was Ashkenazi origin and my wife's Sephardic. She's Mexican so hers is even further back to the conquistador times, but they still retained cultural things like not eating pork up until just 50 years ago. I feel the same way you do, denying Jesus isn't an option, I'm Methodist and she's Catholic, we both couldn't turn back on Jesus and embrace Judaism.
I enjoyed the N.T. Wright dialogue with Mark Kinzer a few years back, but all I really want for Christmas is a RZ dialogue with Gerald McDermott (you can.connect around church history), David Rudolph (you can connect around TX seminary life) or Jen Rosner (you can connect around Barth)
Wow. I got here just in time to leave a comment you might see and Like 😂 Pentecostal here! I have been enjoying your conent ever since warching you about a week ago.
I’m a messianic Jew and you bring up some good points. Me personally I don’t identify as like Jewish as Jews are known today, I’m more like a first century Christian, so I’m a Christian who follows the feast days and is kosher but is in more align with Christian beliefs, I held that Jesus is the messiah and the Son of God. Keep up the good work!
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations. Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics. And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough. And that's from in-person experience. Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity. I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it. Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture. But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing. Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that. Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists, But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it. But that is just a denominational problem. Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing. Tbh just join a denomination that's established and Nicenic.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I agree, I believe in the trinity and the deity and divinity of Jesus. And I agree with Nicea. And I think being a Messianic Jew isn’t just for the Jews but for the gentiles too! But it’s not a requirement to be saved, I’m a Gentile but my family chose to become Messianic Jews because God lead us to. But doing the feast days and the other stuff isn’t a requirement to be saved.
Hebrew Roots Movement is a cross between Armstrongism, Sacred Name Movement, and Messianic Judaism. I used to be an Armstrongite. Armstrongites observed the Saturday Sabbath and the festivals of Leviticus 23, as well as some other portions of the Mosaic Covenant. Their understanding was very flawed and they were heretical, but ironically I was born-again while attending there, and remained for ten years afterwards before moving on to evangelical Christianity. I am now a Particular Baptist. I am not dispensational, though, so you can save your contempt for Johnny Mac 😁😁😁
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I had an idea, to get some sort of, like, prayer army, if you will, to pray for her. I've been feeling so stressed out about this for the last few months, cause a while back she confessed she had lost her faith. She was the most faithful Christian I knew a few years ago, she said she used to tremble when she prayed and it used to be that I would trust her with my life. I'm so stressed, I don't even know how to carry on. I can barely imagine moving on from this.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 liberalism is a black hole of degeneracy, because I live in a big city in the south and do no know any one who fell into the trans cult. Its definitely the environment fueling it.
For differences in Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, and Pronomian Christian I think you would enjoy a conversation with Caleb Hegg. He's a Pronomian Baptist and has put a lot of research into that area.
As someone who has been with AG, on the Pentecostal side of life, I can agree and can see that there have been some “head scratches” with theology in regard to how sloppy the gifts of the Spirits are handled
One of the thing that I noticed is the rise of the Hebrew roots movement. The movement started with the Millerites and then the Sabbaterean movement that emerge after the Great Disappointment like Seven Day Adventist and Church of God Seventh Day. Then Armstrongism emerged soon after that hold to British Israelism/ Ephraimite Movement.
This was very interesting. One of my issues I struggle with as a Christian trying to figure everything out and get it right, is the Old Testament, has a bit of a Jewish supremacy bend to it, and I see that mindset expressed in many modern Jewish groups. But your idea here of it being more Christian in nature, and the modern Jewish doctrine being more aligned with the Pharisees seems to be that missing piece, I was struggling with. I knew something was off between what We believe vs the modern Jewish doctrines, and it led me to more dismiss the stuff that felt more like modern Jewish ideas in the old testament, and try to embrace the ones that felt more like the New Testament. I think viewing it all as not the Jews are the chosen people being talked about, but those who follow church doctrine are, is going to open up more how I view the Old Testament as a whole going forward. It will take some time to fully gather my thoughts on it all, but this was a good push towards a new direction for me.
Read an OT translation based on the Septuagint/Latin Vulgate/Dead Sea Scrolls/Syriac Peshitta - you may have read a version based on the Masoretic Text. The MT is a Hebrew re-translation of older non-Hebrew sources compiled in the 7th-10th centuries AD by Jewish scribes, so it can sometimes be prone to an anti-Christian bias. There are a few demonstrable translation differences between it and older sources; where the LXX, DSS, and Peshitta say "they pierced my hands and feet," in Psalm 22:16, the MT says "Like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet," due to a translation error (probably not intentional, but it still takes away from the meaning and removes the prophesy alluding to Jesus). Most English Bible translations use a mix of all the sources I listed previously, including MT, so Psalm 22:16 may still use the better, older translation of that verse in your Bible while still partially basing itself on the MT. The Septuagint and DSS are probably the closest you are going to get to what Jesus quotes in the NT
I personally feel that abrahams test with isaiah is enough evidence that it was only fsith in god that brought us the abrahamic line. There are also a lot of verses that emphasize how NOT special ethnic Jews are. There is even a case to be made, that god purposely uses irony in his choice of prophets to make a point. Its not effort, skill, or blood that leads to salvation. Its god, himself. Personally, I do not believe the Jews of today are part of the abrahamic line. At least directly, but scripture says the "branch has been cut" as they swore Christ's blood on their heads and their children's heads in Mark. They reflect the Canaanites more than Jesus and his nazarite heritage. The current state of Israel even did a mock(?) Child sacrifice to a giant statue of molek. For a better rabbit hole, I recommend Sefaria or ComeAndHear's Talmud, which has a cavalcade of gut-churching pages like the permission of rape of three year olds in Sanhedrin 54b.
MT is not a retranslation. Even the vowel pattern tradition (not written till the masoretes) matches ancient Semitic languages not discovered till the last millenia. We studied the evolution of Hebrew with an agnostic atheist proff, and it was fascinating. (Check out Polak's noun to verb analysis on dating books of the Bible, goes against modern JDEP theory) Comparing the MT with the dead sea scrolls, they match to an extremely degree. When they thought there was an error, they copied it into the margin, the qree and the ktiv. The oft-referenced "like a lion phrase is literally the difference between a vav and a yodh. They're pretty identical in calligraphy bit for the length of the tail. When I was studying, medieval Hebrew manuscripts the handwriting is such that the yodhs and vavs were pretty darn similar (like how high you trail up you lowercase d's, depending on the handwriting)
Also, septuagint had a flavor to it rationalizing numbers, timeliness, etc. Especially Genesis. It has a distinct impression of Greco-Roman rationalism in it.
bro got chicken-bombed. Very informative video - I had no clue about how modern Judaism started until today. btw, is KingdomCraft still able to be joined, or is it only for people who are whitelisted, and locked?
I would love to see you have a convo with Rabbi Eduardo @radarapologetics He seems to affirm all the creeds and had good theology but wants to honor the traditions of his ancestors.
@catfinity8799 Jesus said this... (Matt 5:17-19) Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...
@@catfinity8799from what I’ve seen Rabbi Eduardo tries to stay true to the old testament traditions. Aka the traditions Jesus followed and the laws he kept.
I love your channel and all your videos! You have helped me learn a lot about theology. Do you think you could make a video on why you’re not part of the church of Christ denomination? I’m thinking about switching from a Baptist church to a church of Christ church.
If it's mainline Judiasm I think it's fair, as many Messianic Jews have big criticism particularly with the Talmud for example (especially things that seemingly contradict the Old Testament) - as long as it's roots are from 2nd Temple Judaism to now Christianity but acknowledging Jewish culture and history, I think you're still a Jew to me.
I’m a Baptist, but as long as what I’m doing isn’t conflicting with the faith, I’m proud of my Jewish heritage the same way I’m proud to be English, Irish, and German.
Very interesting! I didn't really stop to consider that modern judaism is just the religion of the pharisees, and I had no idea modern judaism is so strongly against Christianity, to the point that they accept people who believe in a messiah, but have a huge prejudice against people who believe in Jesus, specifically.
There was, um, the whole forced conversions, pogroms, etc. Some bad blood back there, with trying to get Jews to get with the program. Jews also are very unhappy about people converting to Islam. Bad blood and persecution (dhimmis) there too.
Even Luther's "against the jews" thing First he said "ofcourse jews didn't convert! Catholic church has problems" Then he tried to convert the jews. Came home and wrote his angry Jewish writings. There are centuries of bad history between jews and the ruling powers (christian and muslim). Whenever you have a religious minority ruled by a religious majority, things get spicy. (E.g. Huguenot under Catholic France, or the Massacre of the Latins (catholics under orthodox). Etc. There's a lot of not great things that happened to the jews under Christian europe and under muslim middle east.
@@user-ji1hb7wy8d Don't be mistaken, they hated Christ and Christians before Christianity even became accepted in Rome. It's written in the Talmud that they believe Christ is boiling in a pot of fæces and urine in Hell. Nice.
If you're open check out Golan Broshi's audio vids about the "Christian Roots of the Rabbinic Faith" which shows the fascinating history of how Rabbinic Judaism developed and how at times it did try to make counter-Christian explanations (making a negative feedback loop).
Thank you! I've been struggling to understand the word "Jewish". Was it refer to the the ethical group, the religious group, how did they intertwine with one another? Your video helps me understand it better.
@@MahimaDondapati the answer is both. Jews are a religious group and an ethnicity at the same time. If your mother is jewish, you are jewish for life, if you convert to judaism, you are also a part of tribe
15:26 When I remember there's these things in Pentecostal churches, I remember that thing you made about Pentecostals valuing Scripture and experience, discarding that thing of tradition and reason from our Methodist roots. The thing is: when one discards tradition, one is prone to forget that one is a Christian; when one discards reason and focuses on experience, then they awe at the beauty of the Jewish forms and art at the OT, forgetting that the people who still hold to that should embrace their true Messiah, and then they embrace that aesthetics, which is kind of cool, but doesn't glorify God as much. Also, I suddenly remember that "Bible-Belt" Christians post where the Jews are the "Honorary Christians".
I’m the same as you, ethnically half-Jewish (my dad’s side is 100% Ashkenazi, with a very Jewish last name). I was raised in Reform Judaism and became a Christian later through influence from my mom’s side. It’s crazy how many influential Christians in the history of UA-cam have been ethnically Jewish, not even including the ones who talk about Jewish and ancient Semitic topics a lot (like Michael Brown, etc.). VenomFangX was a Jewish Christian, you, Ray Comfort, and others. Pretty cool!
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations. Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics. And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough. And that's from in-person experience. Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity. I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it. Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture. But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing. Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that. Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists, But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it. But that is just a denominational problem. Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
i've been going to a messianic place as of late. my main view on is that god isn't a lair so his covenant with the jews is still in place, and that I feel too many modern Christians just think the old testament, (or the tanakh) can just be discarded. and the synoguge I've been going to is big on "the god of the new testament is the same god as the old. we're not Marcionists."
I was able to catch just a couple minutes of this video at first watch, going to finish later. Question, what do you see the text in Revelation as talking about where 144,000 Hebrews come to Christ? And all of the OT prophecies that talk about a redeemed physical Israel in the End-Times?
Hey Redeemed Zoomer, thanks for accepting me in your discord server earlier today... Off topic but I think you'll be interested in the Cain Ridge revival in Kentucky... a group of Presbyterian, baptist and Methodist pastors preached on tree stumps, hills etc around town...it ended up becoming this intense Pentacostal revival lol. I want to know your thoughts. Pentacostals didnt start out in the early 1950s...like alot of people presumptuously think I kind of thiught that..but apparently the first actual movement was this intense ecumenical like spiritual breakthrough like the late 1700s... thoughts...🤯
“My heritage is just bad” lmao. As largely indigenous american we have to recognize that sacrificing babies for better weather is also a bad heritage. 😂
This is a very timely video. A little over a week ago I met a girl who'd broken up with her boyfriend who was a Messianic Jew and I actually told here that she should check out this channel since I am very not good at explaining Christianity to people.
@@Abcdefghijajajaja From what I understand, it was less of a break up and more she got dumped. I didn't pry into the issue because its not my business, but she asked me a bunch of questions about Jesus and religion and just sorta tried to do the best I could to answer.
Is the girl a Jew because the break up may be because the guy became Messianic; if the girl is a Gentile then maybe the girl was actually not Christian/Messianic Jew and maybe the guy thought it isn't a good fit ("don't equally yoke with an unbeliver" observance).
In a video between Ben Shapiro (Orthodox Jew) and Matt Fradd (Catholic) about the P word, Ben identified himself as a pharrasidic Jew in it near the end of the video. Actually from my understanding the Synagogue was really a communal gathering place (Beyit Kinneset aka house of assembly) until the second temple was destroyed. So I guess if you wanted to celebrate your Jewishness and be in a traditional Church. Go to church and an old OLD school synagogue.
@@adams8467 Your comprehenshion skills needs some improvement. I'm a protestant myself. I was joking that the criticism he made against Messianic Judaism, (about how many of their leaders don't believe in the essentials) is the exact same criticism he shares with his own denomination and most mainline protestant churches.
You have said that in your denomination leaders are not even sure if God is real but that if he does he is gay affirming. Me as a Catholic would say 'maybe there is something wrong with your movement " 'I would much rather have true doctrines than have a community that celebrates my ancestors" The only reason you are Reformed is because you like its traditions and the culture that comes with it... 10:50 till 11.35 redeemed Zoomer disproves the Reformed church
@@Abcdefghijajajaja I highly doubt it given we just finished Exodus a few weeks back. He's been emphasizing that 1) Paul was fully qualified as an Apostle of Christ and not reliant on men for authority 2) The Gospel is Faith Alone, in Christ Alone, and 3) Even Peter, the rock on which Christ said He would build His church could err and we should simultaneously not blindly exalt human leadership nor despair in our failings, if we repent of them.
I never heard of this side of of Messianic Judaism before, but now I think about it, it wouldn’t surprise if Sid Roth from “it’s Supernatural” was a messianic Jew with a Pentecostal audience. My main exposure to messianic Jews is one of my favourite UA-cam channels at the moment called Torah Class. What I like about this movement is that imo the best Torah observing Christians that know Jewish culture are among the closest thing we have to 1st century Christianity. They offer a lot of insight when they interpret the Bible.
Greetings from another Christian Hebrew! I am Anglican because there are no other orthodox cllasical protestants in Jerusalem but I grew up in a Messianic Jewish context.
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations. Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics. And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough. And that's from in-person experience. Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity. I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it. Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture. But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing. Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that. Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists, But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it. But that is just a denominational problem. Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
I am ethnically Greek but I have a Jewish last name and I am a Greek Orthodox Christian. (I would happily be any orthodox they’re all great, Greek Orthodox at the moment is low key the worst.)
On the matter of 2nd Temple Judaism, and Pharisees I think it should noted that Jesus was actually more or less in line with the Pharisaic tradition, more often than not, Jesus contested the hypocrisy, placement of tradition as equal with scripture, and lack of true faith of many of the Pharisees, “do as they say not as they do”. As for 2nd Temple Judaism it’s not apostate, it’s the context of the New Testament. It’s while I definitely get your skepticism of messianic jusdaism, but most I see active on UA-cam affirm Christians as brothers and sisters s consider themselves Christian genetically in the sense of believers in Jesus. Inspiring Philosophy actually not to long ago. Interestingly enough it’s a fact that the apostles continued their Jewish practices Paul even said he wasn’t telling Jews to stop being Jews, and took a Nazarite vow. Edit: Every ethnic group should make the faith their own, but without allowing ethnic pride, or spiritual/doctrinal error to seep in most places in Europe have done this nothing wrong with Jews and other non-European believers also doing it.
Pharisees were the biblethumping nationalist religuous conservatives. Saducees were the work-with-the oneworldgovt liberal elites (already ditched all the Bible but the pentateuch). Thats why the romans rewarded the sadducees. Why sadducees were high priest. Pharisees are in the boonies getting respect of the ppl, not playing nice with the roman elites (like sadducees) Jesus fights with the sadducees. The sadducees he interacts with much less. Theres less to say...
“My seminary is infested with chickens.” A quote that might’ve been actually said in medieval times
As a Hermitcraft fan, my first thought was "oh no, it's Doc's Perimeter all over again"...
@@WackoMcGooseI haven't watched since season 7, so my first thought was grian's egg superhero thing. Lol
"Why are there so many chickens in my church?" 😂😂😂
And then, “Ok anyway, what was I talking about? Oh yeah, the Jews”
All are welcome.
Your welcome
Churches chicken
Been asking myself that for years...
Woke: "Redeemed Zoomer is Jewish."
Broke: "Redeemed Zoomer isn't Jewish because he converted to Christianity."
Bespoke: "Redeemed Zoomer isn't Jewish because his mother isn't."
-"I'm a Jew! I follow all the customs and traditions!"
+"That's a nice argument, unfortunately, your mother"
Some Reformed Jews trace lineage through the father.
@@carlose4314i tought only Karaite jews did that
@@carlose4314 then do I count? I have a Sephardic surname, but my family haven’t been practicing since the Spanish Inquisition 😂
He’s not Jewish, he doesn’t know much about Judaism, never lived a Jewish life, and his mom isn’t.
Incredibly glad you have the ability to just speak your mind and say what you think without worrying about being labeled as an anti-Semite. There are many “Christians” who would be more upset about the things you’ve said here and than they get about someone saying Christianity is for stupid people or something along those lines.
Based and Bible-pilled
I prefer Christ-pilled, but that works too
UA-cam asked if I needed this translated to English, lol
@@ellybean7354hahahahahhahahaah
Why the fridge does this need to be translated?????
The Chickens have been studying Genesis 1:28 💀
I’m an Israeli Catholic from a Jewish background (parents are Jews). You are correct but missing some points about Messianic Judaism.
Messianic Jews are Evangelicals. They are funded and taught by international Evangelical groups and when you go to their services/meetings you’ll see a HUGE emphasis on the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. They do believe in the Nicene Creed and I personally talked with a Messianic pastor who confirmed that. The reason they don’t just call themselves Christian is that they want to label the Jewish religion as something that isn’t contradictory to Christianity. They know Jewish people don’t want to stop being called Jewish, so they emphasis that being Jewish and believing in Jesus is compatible.
Also Hebrew Catholics (like me) and Messianic Jews don’t accept any post Christian Jewish teaching but they do feel that it’s important for them to preserve biblical law and customs in light of the Christian faith because we still consider ourselves as descendants of ancient Hebrews. I would suggest to read more about Jewish Christians who are mainly Evangelical or Hebrew Catholic. They aren’t separate from the historic church.
I personally think Messianic Jews should be more clear about the fact that they are Christians and Evangelical but they just know Jews will automatically reject that.
One small thing: Messianic services are very stereotypical Protestant services. There’s a band doing contemporary worship music before the sermon. (That’s not a criticism haha)
Messianic Jews in Israel are indeed Evangelicals, but that's not the case necessarily in the US. In America, many of these groups are non-Trinitarian.
@@alexvig2369 interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for going into detail
Some of what you said is false. Walk to a messianic rabbi.
I wasn’t aware there was such a thing as a Hebrew Catholic! Are you in communion with the Roman Catholic Church? Are your liturgies in Hebrew? Do you know of any good resources that would explain your tradition?
As someone who has a lot of Messianic Jewish friends and has gone to a lot of their services, I get a lot of the criticisms RZ raises here. However, I will say that for all the problems that arise in the Messianic Jewish world, some of the most faithful, most intelligent believers I know are Messianic Jews. They are stoutly Trinitarian, believe Jesus is God, and identify with the Church. There are certainly a lot of problems that can arise among individual members-for example, you get a lot of gentile larpers, and some may deny the Trinity (but this is condemned by their statements of faith. I even recall visiting a Bible study and one crazy old guy started denying the Trinity, only for the Rabbi and every other person to sternly correct him). I think it is good that Messianic Judaism exists, as it allows for ethnically Jewish people who believe in Jesus to redeem their own culture and for gentiles it provides helpful insights into the Jewishness of Jesus and the NT. But there’s definitely a lot of messiness in it that needs to be improved.
Also a quick note for RZ: the Hebrew Roots movement is a separate thing from Messianic Judaism. I can say for a fact that my Messianic friends do not have kind words for Hebrew Roots people😂
'Gentile larpers' is just... wrong. If everyone regardless of race is allowed to be Christian, then I don't see how they shouldn't be allowed to be religiously Jewish.
@@rdococ because Christianity is not bound by ethnicity. Judaism, Jewish tradition, and Jewish culture largely are. This is why followers of rabbinic Judaism don’t proselytize to gentiles-they’re only concerned about their fellow ethnic Jews. It’s totally fine as a gentile if you’re honoring Jewish traditions *with* your Jewish friends while recognizing that you are a gentile, but when gentiles abandon the identity that God gave them in pursuit of a Jewish one that’s not really theirs, that’s when I take issue. Likewise, if a Jewish person becomes a Christian, I don’t want them to abandon their identity to become more “gentile.” God made a person a Jew or a Gentile for a reason.
As long as you have clear confessional documents that follow the early Church's doctrine, I'd say you're good.
@@coopahtroopah1175Amen to that brother 🙏🏻
@@coopahtroopah1175 he can be a Jewish Christian which he is . He's saying Jesus fulfilled all the 325 prophecies in the tanahk which is a better explanation than Judaism gives in my opinion.
Good take. BUT A major hole in your discussion here is the identity of messianic Jews in Israel. In Israel by default a messianic Jew is an Israeli citizen (meaning Jewish enough to have obtained Israeli citizenship) who believes in Jesus as the messiah. They use this term Messianic Jew because to use the Hebrew term for Christian “Notzrim” actually doesn’t carry the same parallel connotation that the words “Christian” and “Messianic” have (both mean followers of Messiah) and furthermore generally has a negative connotation. So in Israel to be a “Christian” is really to be “Messianic” and vice versa.
I will concede the fact that many Israeli messianic Jews do not see a clear connection between themselves and any Christian faith tradition, yet they by and large consider themselves a part of the global Christian community, albeit a uniquely Jewish ethnic denomination. They are also Nicene in their theology, and even had a council a few years ago to agree on the divinity of Christ and essentially “de-fellowship” a few congregations that were dogmatically Unitarian.
If you want a good research survey on the matter, read the Caspari Center’s book called “Jesus believing Israelis”
Source: I live and work in Israel
I very much agree. I go to a messianic service Saturday mornings and church on Sunday. I believe, in a very real sense, they connect me back to the roots of our faith. They really give a great perspective on the Jewishness of Jesus in tradition and culture. The Messianic teachers also teach through the Law and scriptures like no mainstream church I have ever witnessed, and there statement of faith is super solid. Learning more about Jesus' Jewishness has made Him more personal and real. Love my friends at K'vod Israel!
Edit: Also Messianic Jews have NOTHING to do with the Hebrew Roots movement. I feel like a lot of RZ speculations of Messianic Jews really just comes from a false association with the HR movement.
I’m also from an ethnic Jewish Christian family ! And I grew up in a Presbyterian church. Wild.
ok
@@Nazarene_Judaism yea
“My seminary is infested with chickens!”
Well, you are PCUSA.
(This is a joke, please don’t hurt me)
no, no. he's got a point
@@redeemedzoomer6053 true
I don't get it.
"Okay, someone put a bunch of pork here"
Almost seems topical 😂
One of my professors in college is the pastor of a hybrid Messianic Jewish/Southern Baptist congregation. He himself is not Messianic Jewish and the congregation is a mix of both Jews and Gentiles. His theology is incredibly fascinating.
This is the series I never knew I needed.
"I guess chickens have multiplied like crazy in my seminary while I was gone" is one of the greatest out-of-context quotes of all time.
Thank you for this video. Growing up Jewish, I recall a rabbi in my college days (temple near campus) who essentially said if you go down the path of Christianity or intermarriage, you score a victory for Hit!er and you betray centuries of Jewish history, and insult the memory of your ancestors who died for being Jewish. It was a terrible sense of guilt. I used to not be able to think of Jesus without feeling that God would punish me. Moving to Christianity, began with feeling disconnected and alienated from Judaism, and started reading the New Testament. My cousin told me the New Testament is nothing but Jew hatred and I could not convince him otherwise.
I considered Messianic Judaism, but you have the same caste system you get in rabbinic Judaism, with hierarchies dependent on how observant you are: eg, you are judged as not as good a Jew as one who observes the Sabbath and is strictly kosher or knows the rituals.
I find myself drawn to Protestantism, considering Methodist vs Presbyterian.
You can preserve your culture and still be a Christian.
I'm sorry if the Messianic Jewish congregation you went treats you that way, I mean I thought Jesus was to teach us to not be judgemental? Are you in the US, because most of my exposure are the ones from Israel.
Hehe, Church's Chicken.
I'm sorry, I had to.
Anyhow, maybe your church needs a Reconquista against the chickens as well? Help reclaim the mainline church and also get us some blessed Chick-fil-A sandwiches as well?
Praise be to the lord and saviour Jesus Christ. When I was homeless Jesus was the only thing that kept me going
"Why are there so many chickens in my church? Anyway, what was I talking about? Oh yeah, the Jews" - Redeemed Zoomer
The stack of pork that was left in your seminary was very fitting.
On that note, are messianic Jews allowed to eat pork?
@@fleebogazeezig6642in general, no. But many dont consider it a matter or salvation, but as a voluntary matter or conscience. But there are varying opinions.
@@fleebogazeezig6642 According to a quick google search…no, apparently not. They’re not allowed to eat Pork, Shellfish, etc., same as other Jews I suppose.
@@fleebogazeezig6642we usually don’t.
@@rondaxen88Google must be wrong then. If they are truly Messianic then they will listen to Jesus when he tells them it's okay to eat whatever
Back in my day that church was still smol!
Messianic here. I can offer some insight. We consider ourselves to be a bridge between modern day Judaism and modern day Christians. We try to focus more on coming as close to 2nd temple Judaism that Jesus practiced rather than modern Judaism. So neither 2nd temple Sadduces nor Pharisees got it right. Sadduces of 2nd temple time were elected in and not blood line like they were supposed to be. Think John the Baptist. And Pharisees were like synagogue leaders. Modern day Judaism is based mostly on Pharisees because they mostly survived by being near the Galilee as Jerusalem was destroyed. Just like any denomination or faith there are extremes. To make it easier most Hebrew Movement or Jews for Jesus are Messianics. Not all Messianics are Hebrew Movement or Jews for Jesus. Most Messianics do not associate with Hebrew Movement. Especially mainline like UMJC or One for Israel. And yes we believe God is in three parts but one. Hope this helps clear some things up.
Zoomer really letting the New York accent come out on this one LOL
I have never played Minecraft, but I really enjoy these videos and the information you share! Thank you for the time and effort you put into these videos.
I am very appreciative of this content. The clash between Christians and Jews is arguably the most fundamental one of the past 2000 years.
How do we love those who reject (and sometimes, even hate) God?
From the perspective of an outsider, it seems the Church has not found a clear, unified answer to this conundrum.
Enshrined anti-semitism, not least in the teachings of the Church Fathers, and a shift to egalitarian ignorance of the real differences as of Vatican II.
Surely, it is these people, those who hate us, who need our love the most?
In the complex chaos, the eye of the storm is remembering to love God above all.
Beyond this, pride lurks around every corner.
For the 1st and 2nd century, while there may be turmoil, many Jews who believed in Jesus were proud of their Jewishness, that even Paul said he is still a Pharisee even when he was sharing the word.
I'd argue the "schism" started after the destruction of Jerusalem, then Christianity became a Roman state religion, and the Jewishness of the faith got replaced by the Romaness of it, and in repsonse the Pharisees made counter statements against this interperation of Christianity - IMO it's 2 warring factions that seemed more sinister than holy.
You may have inadvertently told the chickens to be fruitful.
"Pentecostals that say shalom"
😂😂😂
Very good and well-structured video that discusses a controversial subject in a calm and charitable manner.
Also your outro music was amazingly epic so keep up the good work bro
This insight on what a hebrew expreriences among its own race because of Christ reminds me of stories of the new testament. Your faith is so strong that I admire you Zoomer since you basically are not accepted among your people for Christ.
I’m also a Jewish Christian. I was denied the “birthright” travel to Israel based on my Christian upbringing. It’s really sad how hateful Jews are to Christianity
@@justicebinder6544 It's kinda our fault because our leaders and people treated them terribly for centuries. Doesn't excuse it nowadays as we've grown as a people, mostly closer to Jesus's teachings.
@@justicebinder6544They are still your people.
@@antigonarosaura7845 didn’t say they aren’t. My family celebrates many of our cultural Jewish holidays still , and I’m proud of my heritage. It’s just hurtful that I’ll always be a bit of an outsider looking in
@@justicebinder6544 :)
"...Why are their so many chickens in my church?"
Ultra-Orthodox Jews:
I was the man who spawned a few chickens in the church, not sure how there got to be that many
HAHAHAHAHHA
🤔
Watching the chickens absolutely tank the FPS is amazing
"Dispensationalists are funny" 🤣
Thank you for making helpful educational videos boss. God bless you.
Take me back to vine! "Look at all those chicken"
Watching this helped me understand why it is difficult for people like Ben Shapiro to come to a decision to convert to Christ or accept arguments like those William Lane Craig gave him during the interview they did.
The Jewish culture understandably is afraid of Christianity, although most only know of Catholic (and from Eastern Europe diaspora, Orthodox), who did make progroms and had discrimination, but also on the Rabbinic Jewish side tried to emphasize how Jesus isn't the Messiah and that the New Testament is "anti-semitic" - I'd argue many Messianic Jews are brave of reading the New Testament on their own, although many seem to be secular Jews who really haven't been under Rabbinic influence anyway.
cool cathedral. I actually visited many cathedrals in Spain a few years ago.
John Harrigan would be another great dialogue partner for this topic. For a layman like me, his historical critique of realized eschatology is very compelling. (He's not a Dispensationalist either)
Wise decisions all around. I don't have as recent Jewish ancestry as you, but my grandma's family was Ashkenazi origin and my wife's Sephardic. She's Mexican so hers is even further back to the conquistador times, but they still retained cultural things like not eating pork up until just 50 years ago. I feel the same way you do, denying Jesus isn't an option, I'm Methodist and she's Catholic, we both couldn't turn back on Jesus and embrace Judaism.
HE IS AND IS AND IS TO COME!
An entire episode dedicated to chickens in the church would be awesome
I enjoyed the N.T. Wright dialogue with Mark Kinzer a few years back, but all I really want for Christmas is a RZ dialogue with Gerald McDermott (you can.connect around church history), David Rudolph (you can connect around TX seminary life) or Jen Rosner (you can connect around Barth)
Interesting fact: In Poland there is a Pentecostal denomination with an Episcopal polity
Baptist bishops? Lmao
What is it called?
@@noahthenorthern174 Polish name of it is "Chrześcijańska Wspólnota Zielonoświątkowa", which can be translate as "Christian Pentecostal Community"
Wow. I got here just in time to leave a comment you might see and Like 😂 Pentecostal here! I have been enjoying your conent ever since warching you about a week ago.
Another great video Zoomer.
I came for the sus theology and stayed for the chickens 😂
I’m a messianic Jew and you bring up some good points. Me personally I don’t identify as like Jewish as Jews are known today, I’m more like a first century Christian, so I’m a Christian who follows the feast days and is kosher but is in more align with Christian beliefs, I held that Jesus is the messiah and the Son of God. Keep up the good work!
Fellow Messianic here. Same.
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations.
Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics.
And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough.
And that's from in-person experience.
Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity.
I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it.
Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture.
But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that.
Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists,
But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it.
But that is just a denominational problem.
Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
Tbh just join a denomination that's established and Nicenic.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I agree, I believe in the trinity and the deity and divinity of Jesus. And I agree with Nicea. And I think being a Messianic Jew isn’t just for the Jews but for the gentiles too! But it’s not a requirement to be saved, I’m a Gentile but my family chose to become Messianic Jews because God lead us to. But doing the feast days and the other stuff isn’t a requirement to be saved.
@@EllieBlair-zj6pw im gonna stay Anglican.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 ok! I love the Anglican denomination! Have a blessed rest of your day brother!
Michael Brown is the second pentecostal messianic jew i found on youtube if Sid Roth is also one.
Hebrew Roots Movement is a cross between Armstrongism, Sacred Name Movement, and Messianic Judaism. I used to be an Armstrongite. Armstrongites observed the Saturday Sabbath and the festivals of Leviticus 23, as well as some other portions of the Mosaic Covenant. Their understanding was very flawed and they were heretical, but ironically I was born-again while attending there, and remained for ten years afterwards before moving on to evangelical Christianity. I am now a Particular Baptist. I am not dispensational, though, so you can save your contempt for Johnny Mac 😁😁😁
Hey, off topic but can we pray for my sister? She's just come out as trans, and I'm just lost and confused right now.
Praying! I've had SO many female friends fall into that cult and it really hurts. It's a spiritual black hole. Praying earnestly for you and for her
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I had an idea, to get some sort of, like, prayer army, if you will, to pray for her. I've been feeling so stressed out about this for the last few months, cause a while back she confessed she had lost her faith. She was the most faithful Christian I knew a few years ago, she said she used to tremble when she prayed and it used to be that I would trust her with my life. I'm so stressed, I don't even know how to carry on. I can barely imagine moving on from this.
You should do your best to protect her from satanist brainwashing
@@redeemedzoomer6053 liberalism is a black hole of degeneracy, because I live in a big city in the south and do no know any one who fell into the trans cult. Its definitely the environment fueling it.
For differences in Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, and Pronomian Christian I think you would enjoy a conversation with Caleb Hegg. He's a Pronomian Baptist and has put a lot of research into that area.
YESSSSS
All those chickens is probably gonna be my friend and I on Farming Simulator 22 in the near future. He wants a chicken coop
As someone who has been with AG, on the Pentecostal side of life, I can agree and can see that there have been some “head scratches” with theology in regard to how sloppy the gifts of the Spirits are handled
One of the thing that I noticed is the rise of the Hebrew roots movement. The movement started with the Millerites and then the Sabbaterean movement that emerge after the Great Disappointment like Seven Day Adventist and Church of God Seventh Day. Then Armstrongism emerged soon after that hold to British Israelism/ Ephraimite Movement.
This was very interesting. One of my issues I struggle with as a Christian trying to figure everything out and get it right, is the Old Testament, has a bit of a Jewish supremacy bend to it, and I see that mindset expressed in many modern Jewish groups. But your idea here of it being more Christian in nature, and the modern Jewish doctrine being more aligned with the Pharisees seems to be that missing piece, I was struggling with. I knew something was off between what We believe vs the modern Jewish doctrines, and it led me to more dismiss the stuff that felt more like modern Jewish ideas in the old testament, and try to embrace the ones that felt more like the New Testament.
I think viewing it all as not the Jews are the chosen people being talked about, but those who follow church doctrine are, is going to open up more how I view the Old Testament as a whole going forward. It will take some time to fully gather my thoughts on it all, but this was a good push towards a new direction for me.
Read an OT translation based on the Septuagint/Latin Vulgate/Dead Sea Scrolls/Syriac Peshitta - you may have read a version based on the Masoretic Text. The MT is a Hebrew re-translation of older non-Hebrew sources compiled in the 7th-10th centuries AD by Jewish scribes, so it can sometimes be prone to an anti-Christian bias. There are a few demonstrable translation differences between it and older sources; where the LXX, DSS, and Peshitta say "they pierced my hands and feet," in Psalm 22:16, the MT says "Like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet," due to a translation error (probably not intentional, but it still takes away from the meaning and removes the prophesy alluding to Jesus). Most English Bible translations use a mix of all the sources I listed previously, including MT, so Psalm 22:16 may still use the better, older translation of that verse in your Bible while still partially basing itself on the MT. The Septuagint and DSS are probably the closest you are going to get to what Jesus quotes in the NT
I personally feel that abrahams test with isaiah is enough evidence that it was only fsith in god that brought us the abrahamic line. There are also a lot of verses that emphasize how NOT special ethnic Jews are. There is even a case to be made, that god purposely uses irony in his choice of prophets to make a point. Its not effort, skill, or blood that leads to salvation. Its god, himself.
Personally, I do not believe the Jews of today are part of the abrahamic line. At least directly, but scripture says the "branch has been cut" as they swore Christ's blood on their heads and their children's heads in Mark. They reflect the Canaanites more than Jesus and his nazarite heritage. The current state of Israel even did a mock(?) Child sacrifice to a giant statue of molek. For a better rabbit hole, I recommend Sefaria or ComeAndHear's Talmud, which has a cavalcade of gut-churching pages like the permission of rape of three year olds in Sanhedrin 54b.
ISRAEL IS THE APPLE OF GODS EYE...SO HE SOUNDS LIKE PROMOTING REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY😮
MT is not a retranslation. Even the vowel pattern tradition (not written till the masoretes) matches ancient Semitic languages not discovered till the last millenia. We studied the evolution of Hebrew with an agnostic atheist proff, and it was fascinating. (Check out Polak's noun to verb analysis on dating books of the Bible, goes against modern JDEP theory)
Comparing the MT with the dead sea scrolls, they match to an extremely degree.
When they thought there was an error, they copied it into the margin, the qree and the ktiv.
The oft-referenced "like a lion phrase is literally the difference between a vav and a yodh. They're pretty identical in calligraphy bit for the length of the tail.
When I was studying, medieval Hebrew manuscripts the handwriting is such that the yodhs and vavs were pretty darn similar (like how high you trail up you lowercase d's, depending on the handwriting)
Also, septuagint had a flavor to it rationalizing numbers, timeliness, etc. Especially Genesis.
It has a distinct impression of Greco-Roman rationalism in it.
Presbyterian, pentecostal, Messianic Jew. This guys found the glitch to stack up skins
bro got chicken-bombed. Very informative video - I had no clue about how modern Judaism started until today.
btw, is KingdomCraft still able to be joined, or is it only for people who are whitelisted, and locked?
I would love to see you have a convo with Rabbi Eduardo @radarapologetics
He seems to affirm all the creeds and had good theology but wants to honor the traditions of his ancestors.
The traditions that Jesus didn't like?
@@catfinity8799what are you talking about
@catfinity8799
Jesus said this...
(Matt 5:17-19)
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...
@@catfinity8799from what I’ve seen Rabbi Eduardo tries to stay true to the old testament traditions. Aka the traditions Jesus followed and the laws he kept.
@catfinity8799 Yeah the same ones he followed 🤣
I love your channel and all your videos! You have helped me learn a lot about theology.
Do you think you could make a video on why you’re not part of the church of Christ denomination? I’m thinking about switching from a Baptist church to a church of Christ church.
Omg no!!! Stay away from that He has made a video about them. No.
I am ethnically Jewish but honestly I only study the Torah to understand the new testament
Based ❤
I am in the same boat as you. I was Jewish and I became a Christian. My relationship with my Judaism is complicated.
What made you accept Christ? I’m Jewish and confused
Makes no sense
If it's mainline Judiasm I think it's fair, as many Messianic Jews have big criticism particularly with the Talmud for example (especially things that seemingly contradict the Old Testament) - as long as it's roots are from 2nd Temple Judaism to now Christianity but acknowledging Jewish culture and history, I think you're still a Jew to me.
I’m a Baptist, but as long as what I’m doing isn’t conflicting with the faith, I’m proud of my Jewish heritage the same way I’m proud to be English, Irish, and German.
Very interesting! I didn't really stop to consider that modern judaism is just the religion of the pharisees, and I had no idea modern judaism is so strongly against Christianity, to the point that they accept people who believe in a messiah, but have a huge prejudice against people who believe in Jesus, specifically.
There was, um, the whole forced conversions, pogroms, etc. Some bad blood back there, with trying to get Jews to get with the program.
Jews also are very unhappy about people converting to Islam. Bad blood and persecution (dhimmis) there too.
Even Luther's "against the jews" thing
First he said "ofcourse jews didn't convert! Catholic church has problems"
Then he tried to convert the jews.
Came home and wrote his angry Jewish writings.
There are centuries of bad history between jews and the ruling powers (christian and muslim).
Whenever you have a religious minority ruled by a religious majority, things get spicy. (E.g. Huguenot under Catholic France, or the Massacre of the Latins (catholics under orthodox). Etc.
There's a lot of not great things that happened to the jews under Christian europe and under muslim middle east.
@@dunedainmom Oh... well that sucks. It's sad that so many bad people gave (and still give) Christianity a bad rep
@@user-ji1hb7wy8d Don't be mistaken, they hated Christ and Christians before Christianity even became accepted in Rome. It's written in the Talmud that they believe Christ is boiling in a pot of fæces and urine in Hell. Nice.
If you're open check out Golan Broshi's audio vids about the "Christian Roots of the Rabbinic Faith" which shows the fascinating history of how Rabbinic Judaism developed and how at times it did try to make counter-Christian explanations (making a negative feedback loop).
Thank you! I've been struggling to understand the word "Jewish". Was it refer to the the ethical group, the religious group, how did they intertwine with one another? Your video helps me understand it better.
I have in clue! Can someone help me here?
*no clue
@@MahimaDondapati the answer is both. Jews are a religious group and an ethnicity at the same time. If your mother is jewish, you are jewish for life, if you convert to judaism, you are also a part of tribe
15:26 When I remember there's these things in Pentecostal churches, I remember that thing you made about Pentecostals valuing Scripture and experience, discarding that thing of tradition and reason from our Methodist roots. The thing is: when one discards tradition, one is prone to forget that one is a Christian; when one discards reason and focuses on experience, then they awe at the beauty of the Jewish forms and art at the OT, forgetting that the people who still hold to that should embrace their true Messiah, and then they embrace that aesthetics, which is kind of cool, but doesn't glorify God as much. Also, I suddenly remember that "Bible-Belt" Christians post where the Jews are the "Honorary Christians".
"At best, evangelicals who say shalom."
*LOL*
You should review the "Marching to Zion" documentary. It was produced by a non-dispensationalist Independent Fundamental Baptist church.
I’m the same as you, ethnically half-Jewish (my dad’s side is 100% Ashkenazi, with a very Jewish last name). I was raised in Reform Judaism and became a Christian later through influence from my mom’s side.
It’s crazy how many influential Christians in the history of UA-cam have been ethnically Jewish, not even including the ones who talk about Jewish and ancient Semitic topics a lot (like Michael Brown, etc.). VenomFangX was a Jewish Christian, you, Ray Comfort, and others. Pretty cool!
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations.
Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics.
And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough.
And that's from in-person experience.
Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity.
I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it.
Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture.
But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that.
Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists,
But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it.
But that is just a denominational problem.
Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
i've been going to a messianic place as of late. my main view on is that god isn't a lair so his covenant with the jews is still in place, and that I feel too many modern Christians just think the old testament, (or the tanakh) can just be discarded. and the synoguge I've been going to is big on "the god of the new testament is the same god as the old. we're not Marcionists."
I was able to catch just a couple minutes of this video at first watch, going to finish later.
Question, what do you see the text in Revelation as talking about where 144,000 Hebrews come to Christ? And all of the OT prophecies that talk about a redeemed physical Israel in the End-Times?
Hey Redeemed Zoomer, thanks for accepting me in your discord server earlier today... Off topic but I think you'll be interested in the Cain Ridge revival in Kentucky... a group of Presbyterian, baptist and Methodist pastors preached on tree stumps, hills etc around town...it ended up becoming this intense Pentacostal revival lol. I want to know your thoughts. Pentacostals didnt start out in the early 1950s...like alot of people presumptuously think I kind of thiught that..but apparently the first actual movement was this intense ecumenical like spiritual breakthrough like the late 1700s... thoughts...🤯
“My heritage is just bad” lmao. As largely indigenous american we have to recognize that sacrificing babies for better weather is also a bad heritage. 😂
19:16 the chicken massacre of 2023
Minor thing:
Being technical, the Jewisj religion starts during Moses, as prior to that there was no organized Jewish religion.
This is a very timely video. A little over a week ago I met a girl who'd broken up with her boyfriend who was a Messianic Jew and I actually told here that she should check out this channel since I am very not good at explaining Christianity to people.
What is her problem with that?
@@Abcdefghijajajaja From what I understand, it was less of a break up and more she got dumped. I didn't pry into the issue because its not my business, but she asked me a bunch of questions about Jesus and religion and just sorta tried to do the best I could to answer.
Is the girl a Jew because the break up may be because the guy became Messianic; if the girl is a Gentile then maybe the girl was actually not Christian/Messianic Jew and maybe the guy thought it isn't a good fit ("don't equally yoke with an unbeliver" observance).
I've been wrestling with this for a while, I'm very happy to see this video
Redeemed zoomer has little understanding of messianic Judaism don’t let his opinions rule your life
@@Abcdefghijajajajahold up, let him cook 🔥
What are philosophical and theological interpretations for all the chickens in your seminary?
Why is the frame rate so low
Flashback to your old videos
In a video between Ben Shapiro (Orthodox Jew) and Matt Fradd (Catholic) about the P word, Ben identified himself as a pharrasidic Jew in it near the end of the video.
Actually from my understanding the Synagogue was really a communal gathering place (Beyit Kinneset aka house of assembly) until the second temple was destroyed. So I guess if you wanted to celebrate your Jewishness and be in a traditional Church. Go to church and an old OLD school synagogue.
So if he kills the chickens in the seminary does that count as a sacrifice? Lol
11:00
My guy just debunked his own denomination, and most modern protestant denominations
Are you saying protestant don't believe in the trinity, or am I missing something ?
@@adams8467 Your comprehenshion skills needs some improvement. I'm a protestant myself.
I was joking that the criticism he made against Messianic Judaism, (about how many of their leaders don't believe in the essentials) is the exact same criticism he shares with his own denomination and most mainline protestant churches.
So that's why he wants to retake the protestant church
You have said that in your denomination leaders are not even sure if God is real but that if he does he is gay affirming. Me as a Catholic would say 'maybe there is something wrong with your movement "
'I would much rather have true doctrines than have a community that celebrates my ancestors"
The only reason you are Reformed is because you like its traditions and the culture that comes with it...
10:50 till 11.35 redeemed Zoomer disproves the Reformed church
What’s the chapter/verse for “God will send God” in Zechariah that he mentions around 6:40?
Probably Zechariah 2:11
when's that denominational competition video coming out?
Good video as always, Zoomer.
My pastor is currently preaching through Galatians and Paul’s dealing with the Judaizers in his day. Fun timing for this video
He probably believes in replacement theology
@@Abcdefghijajajaja I highly doubt it given we just finished Exodus a few weeks back. He's been emphasizing that 1) Paul was fully qualified as an Apostle of Christ and not reliant on men for authority 2) The Gospel is Faith Alone, in Christ Alone, and 3) Even Peter, the rock on which Christ said He would build His church could err and we should simultaneously not blindly exalt human leadership nor despair in our failings, if we repent of them.
St. Zoomer who drove out the chickens from Kingdom craft
I never heard of this side of of Messianic Judaism before, but now I think about it, it wouldn’t surprise if Sid Roth from “it’s Supernatural” was a messianic Jew with a Pentecostal audience.
My main exposure to messianic Jews is one of my favourite UA-cam channels at the moment called Torah Class. What I like about this movement is that imo the best Torah observing Christians that know Jewish culture are among the closest thing we have to 1st century Christianity. They offer a lot of insight when they interpret the Bible.
So they say "you cant do follow Jesus good so we start all over"
You’re like if Marty McFly’s dad was a Presbyterian.
Greetings from another Christian Hebrew! I am Anglican because there are no other orthodox cllasical protestants in Jerusalem but I grew up in a Messianic Jewish context.
Ethnic Jews make best Christians for most denominations.
Except the messianic Judaism denomination where it's just a ethno-nationalist club that are full of Unitarian anti trinity heretics.
And people who judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing enough.
And that's from in-person experience.
Messianic Judaism is so focused on Judaism and Unitarianism and Hebrew ethnicity that the new testament and Christ becomes a after-thought, even insofar as some (a scary many actually) deny his deity and divinity.
I don't hate Jewish ethnicity or culture it.
Be patriotic of blood or practice your culture.
But messianic make it surpass theology, forgo trinitarianism or bully gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
Is not the fault of Jewish ethnicity or culture but the environment of the messianic Judaism denominational environment that attacks gentile culture and trinitarians. It's environment indoctrinates issues. Which isn't to say all messianic Jews or messianic churches are like that. This would be a false generalization and a unjust act of strawman exaggeration or false witnessing when I say that.
Truly God fearing messianics without this judaizer cultural supremacism exists,
But the denomination is exporting the Unitarianism heresy to other churches and I've thus given up on it.
But that is just a denominational problem.
Some of my favorite famous Anglican or Methodist Christians are ethnic Jews who were trinitarian and didn't judge gentiles for not culturally judaizing.
Amen🙏🕊️❤️😇✝️😀😊🍞🎉🍷Brother
I am ethnically Greek but I have a Jewish last name and I am a Greek Orthodox Christian. (I would happily be any orthodox they’re all great, Greek Orthodox at the moment is low key the worst.)
They aren't chickens in your church-
They're gossiping Hens :O
lol
Do you have a source I can read about those ancient jewish writings you mentioned at 6:45?
On the matter of 2nd Temple Judaism, and Pharisees I think it should noted that Jesus was actually more or less in line with the Pharisaic tradition, more often than not, Jesus contested the hypocrisy, placement of tradition as equal with scripture, and lack of true faith of many of the Pharisees, “do as they say not as they do”.
As for 2nd Temple Judaism it’s not apostate, it’s the context of the New Testament. It’s while I definitely get your skepticism of messianic jusdaism, but most I see active on UA-cam affirm Christians as brothers and sisters s consider themselves Christian genetically in the sense of believers in Jesus. Inspiring Philosophy actually not to long ago.
Interestingly enough it’s a fact that the apostles continued their Jewish practices Paul even said he wasn’t telling Jews to stop being Jews, and took a Nazarite vow.
Edit: Every ethnic group should make the faith their own, but without allowing ethnic pride, or spiritual/doctrinal error to seep in most places in Europe have done this nothing wrong with Jews and other non-European believers also doing it.
Pharisees were the biblethumping nationalist religuous conservatives.
Saducees were the work-with-the oneworldgovt liberal elites (already ditched all the Bible but the pentateuch).
Thats why the romans rewarded the sadducees. Why sadducees were high priest.
Pharisees are in the boonies getting respect of the ppl, not playing nice with the roman elites (like sadducees)
Jesus fights with the sadducees.
The sadducees he interacts with much less. Theres less to say...
"...pentecostal Presbyterians. "
"What!?"
"Yeah you heard me right."
🤣
Thoughts on Hebrew roots movement? Heard some controversies coming from there. Don't know what tho.
It’s a lil wack ….
Messianic synagogue is beautiful tho, different but sometimes associated sadly…
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