Mud Test: SKS
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2025
- Ever since the first AK mud test video, we've had requests for the SKS.
Well, here it is.
The InRangeTV SKS mud test.
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You know, I've watched a whole bunch of these mud test videos now and I kinda feel like the biggest takeaway is that you should probably keep your damn rifle out of the mud.
LMAO
>grab SKS
>go innawoods
>drop SKS innamud
>jam
>get eaten by a skinwalker
>Skinwalker fall in innawoods mud
>failuretoextract.jpg
>mud wins again
Damn
I wouldn't worry about it.
Can we get a mud nerf
> Beat Skinwalker to death with butt of gun; better yet, give it the bayonet.
One day - one day - some collector will give his STG for you to mud test. Someone just has to.
False. I'd throw mud on an STG. I don't care, they're just guns. ~Karl
Kurt Bergh are there any guns you wouldn't mud test for safety or sentimental reasons ?
l'd give absolutely any gun to the mud test, but doing that to my very first gun, a 10-year-old CZ 452, would definitely make me cry, though.
Would he mud test a Type 94 Nambu? Just pouring the mud on the side might make it fire!
We would not mud test something with specific historical provenance, that makes no sense, and we're also not going to do revolvers for safety reasons. ~Karl
4:25 You see Ivan, when muddy, the SKS becomes a Bolt-Action rifle, channeling the spirit of the legendary Mosin!
After watching a bunch of these things, there's a really clear pattern emerging where weapons built to tight tolerances do better because there just aren't as many ways for mud to get into the vital parts. But most of the guns with reputations for ruggedness and reliability are built to loose tolerances that let mud get in very easily.
As with a lot of engineering, it comes down to starting from the right set of requirements. When setting tolerances, you're making a trade-off between ease of manufacture and maintenance on the one hand and accuracy and mud-proofing on the other. Neither one is objectively better, and each approach has its place depending on what you're asking the rifle to do.
good comment. But I'm really here to congratulate you, dear sir. You just won the global nick-picking competition. And I'm sure Tobasco da Gama is sold overseas :P
Do I get the silver medal for telling you that the phrase is actually "Nit Picking"....?
Tobasco da Gama precisely. the sks will do better in loose dry sand and in water than a rifle with tight tolerances such as the ar-15. that's why is it hard to say which is objectively more reliable because it all depends on what your set of needs and philosophy of use for the rifle is
being Canadian I prefer a rifle with tight tolerances because of the abundance of snow, mud and slush where I live. if I lived in the middle east I would prefer an ak
The guy was actually saying that he liked the nickname that other guy picked.
yup
Hickok45 sells his paper targets on ebay. Guys, have you ever thought about selling this mud used in your mud tests? )
Butthurt SKS fanboy here. Was hoping for a better result, but the test was fair. No excuses - the rifle can't handle mud.
My SKS was made out of Stalinium steel and Lenineae species wood.
Show me one that can.
Same here. I have a Yugo M59, I love it, and, was hoping this would do better, but, I still don't understand why people get so salty about it. Now I know, I shouldn't drop mine in a bog!
I'm a little upset also my brother.
😓
That seems like a common result for guns with open actions like this.
I've always wanted an SKS. Despite the frustrating mud test I still want one.
Clearly fake SKS. It has not been blessed with Stalins spirit.
Not made of proper stalinium alloy, probably just a cheap chinese knockoff.
Another in a long line of test that brilliantly show the trade offs one should expect with op rod style auto-loaders. I have seed many of these videos. In this test with their mortar consistency mud, open designs and those with more exposed moving parts that are not pressurized by gas in the carrier area have trouble. All designs have trade offs. knowing where your weapons limits are is important. Thanks Ian and Karl.
+Derek martin Thank you! ~Karl
Certainly not better than an AK or AR for military use but damn I do love my SKSs. Cheap, reliable, well made, easy to field strip. At a price point of CAD $250 and non-restricted, can't complain.
By it being nonrestricted there do you mean you can use 30round magazines on them? Either way I think the sks is a great rifle for anti gun places like California too, they don't need a "bullet button" and can still be reloaded fast while 7.62x39 makes the most out of 10 rounds in a magazine.
No, all center fire semi autos are limited to 5 rounds. There are certain loopholes but can be tricky or pricey to work around.
Nils S man that sucks. Ive heard there's some kind of work around for the m14/m1a where you can get 20 rounders and it's supposed to be legal
That'd be great... if the vast majority of SKS rifles weren't Yugo rifles. Let me break down the level of stupidity here. The Yugo SKS rifles have provisions to attach something that would allow you to fire rifle grenades. That attachment is illegal in California. The grenades they would fire are illegal in California. I cannot for the life of me recall a drive-by rifle-grenading happening in the states. And yet, that provision makes Yugo SKS rifles illegal in California.
+Forge North
Yeah Canadian gun laws are wierd. That loophole you heard about has to do with modern Australian .308 Lee Enfield magazines or something like that if I remember right.
Any magazine that was made "specifically for" a manual action firearm (bolt, pump, lever, etc.) doesn't have any real maximum capacity, note the reason why our shotguns can still have 8 round tubes. Even if that same mag is compatible for another firearm that happens to be semi-auto, it's 100% legal to use.
Same goes for "pistol" and rifle magazines. Pistols are capped at 10 rounds, so LAR (AR-15 pistol) mags are 10 round yet are allowed in AR-15 rifles.
On a side note, different caliber compatible magazines fall under the same loophole, so .50 Beowulf AR-15 mags are pinned for 5 .50BW rounds, but can fit 14 5.56 and are legal in any 5.56 AR, and .40 Sig P226 mags fit 10 .40's, yet 13 ( i think) 9mm's are legal.
There is very little in terms of logical gun laws here in Canada.
mudtest the glock
to make people upset
Mercanary artist might actually do well the most likely issue with a 1911 sig or berreta is the hammer hit mud not firing pin but a glock might work great
piss off the glock fan boys if it breaks
piss off the glock haters if it doesn't
win win situation my friend
Military Arms Channel has one with the glock.
They just posted one today. Enjoy. :)
any open top designs will suffer heavily with heavy amounts of mud being put over the top of a bolt. I would be completely amazed if this thing ran.
I notice that the guns that do the best have small ejection ports located on the side of the gun with moderate sized ejection ports. The CETME L and the AR both have ejection ports that are closed and to the side with moving parts inside the gun. The FN Fal, the AKs, the SKS all have big ejection ports with lots of external moving parts that just let the mud get in them. The Tavor 21 has a sealed system but the ejection port is recessed and we see mud stuck to the outside that will not be blown away by the first round or dust cover. In that video we saw several round fail to eject and looked to have gotten caught up on the ejection port that was covered in mud.
I was waiting for this for a while and now I'm finding it 3 months after it was posted. Not surprised with the results at all. Honestly it did better than I imagined
In Soviet Russia, mud tests you.
suggestion: on guns that are declared a fail during the mud test you could add a "water canteen" segment, pooring the whole canteen into the receiver/action/mag/whatever and try to clear the rifle to get it running. But only one full canteen full of water to keep it somewhat realistic
In before 'nyet, rifle not communist enough'. Seriously though, what other guns have you seen that are heavily requested as well?
They're all requested at this point. ~Karl
G43 vs SVT 40?
Even the First Pattern Hyde Carbine from the US light rifle trials? :P
All I see is hard strawmanning, like it's a cornfield or something.
Was sks even speculated to be some special kind of reliable?
fara 83
Mud is the ultimate weapon. No rifle can't match it. I conceal carry mud for this reason.
like how at one point it basically turned into a bolt action
As a fan of the SKS I am not surprised by the outcome. I guess it held up better Than the M1 Garand but alot like the VZ 58. Thank you for doing these vids. I don't ever think I will. coat my guns in brick morter like this but at least I know how they will fail if I do.
I have a lovely SKS I purchased from a coworker in the mid 90's for $75. Wish I bought crates of them now... Nut it taught me something and I am buying up decent AR build kits for around the $400 mark. You never know what the future holds but a decent rifle will always hold it's value :)
I got my first SKS after watching your mud test videos on other guns and one mf my first thoughts was "I'd better hope this gun never gets muddy". I love my Norinco, but dang is it an open action.
Caution: Mud test your beliefs and perspective before watching these mud test videos on firearms you may or may not have an existing attachment or preference to/for.
Why is UA-cam recommending 'TV for Tykes' style programming when I pull up an InRangeTV video now??
+Leslie48 No idea. ~Karl
Leslie48 It could be that this video is listed under "Education". One of Ian's videos on Forgotten Weapons had a similar thing happen too.
The bigger question is: Are kids watching TV for Tykes getting InRange recommendations?
Gotta start working on our successors early!
I got recommendations for video that are
Now It's showing a lot of 'My first ' videos for me too.
That was a fun one. I was kind of expecting this. The action is similar to the VZ-58 and that did not fair too well. A suggestion, you and Ian should do a 2 Gun match using the SKS. That would be awesome! Thanks for the video.
Boys I'm not going to sort through the comments to see if someone has said this already... I've seen accounts of failure to fire like you had here, and when they manually cycled the action and dropped it on another round coming up from the magazine, that bullet acted like a firing pin for the round already in the chamber. I read that a guy died from a case going through his stomach like that. Keep being safe! Love the channel!
you've made alot of Canadians happy.
"Grab SKS gonna inna desert"
I have a theory here as to why this happened I once had a Norinco sks that would not go into battery from time to time I cleaned the chamber,the bolt and bolt carrier l, polished any and all contact surfaces, changed the extractor.One day I was cleaning the carbine again and noticed a little dried cosmoline in the bolt locking channel I mean like a drop in the corner of the locking surface cleaned it out never had it go out of battery or have any failers to eject again so I assume mud got down in that locking surface at the bottom of the bolt and locked the sks up.dont know how to fix this from happening just thought I'd share my experience with a red headed step rifle.
Lesson learned. Never get concrete mix into your guns. Ever.
I don't know why i watch these, i hate seeing things jam and block up.
Yet i wanna see what happens, good stuff.
How about a Makarov next?
Bonus points for an East German model to really REALLY piss people off.
I know on at least one of these mud-test videos you did an after-action on what happened to the gun (Tavor X95) and what seemed to fail in it. I liked how the video explained what went wrong mechanically within the rifle. Would it be possible to do more videos like that or add a clip onto the end of videos explaining what went wrong/right?
Realistically, what are chances of firing gun that has been deliberately shitcaked in mud?
Good question
Depends on how much the paratrooper botched his landing in that swamp
if you fight in swampy terain and somebody screams "incoming" than you will probably be completly covered in mud
You know Ian and Karl you've done auto loaders and bolt guns, but how about some pump and semi shotguns? Thriller of the summer 2017! Remington 870 vs. Mossberg 500 mud test? I feel like that would really rustle some feathers. Or as crazy as throwing a 2 grand semi auto 12 gage in the mud i.e. that werid gas system in the Benelli m4?
Test aside the sound was rad on this one.
Love that that SKS quick feed
Every time I watch these, I squirm when the mud comes out, and this voice in my head screams, "You can't _do that_ to art!"
Unless it's something more modern, like an AR or an AK. For some reason, I don't get too worked up over those.
Can't wait for the Aug test.
dat mud. watched the detailed take down of that tavor your tested. so many places for mud to hide.
Still better that I expected.
I wonder how a wide open action like this would work in a sandy environment. A convoy video with one of these and either a Garand or M1A would be really interesting to see.
My SKS failed once. A primer blow out the back one day. A piece of the primer somehow got stuck in the action. I had to take the rifle apart and get out that piece to fix the problem. Other then that, what a great rifle.
I am not too surprised here. It has a lot of wide open parts. Something is bound to get caked and jammed up with mud.
I adore the report of an SKS.
Damn, these comments are toxic. I own an SKS and fully expected it to perform terribly. Surprised it got that second round off.
As someone who loves both the AK and SKS, I'm actually not surprised that the SKS failed this mud test. Tilting bolt actions have always seemed a bit vulnerable to getting the locking recess crammed full of mud and other gunk. I am a bit surprised that it didn't happen here, getting mud under the extractor is something I never would have predicted, but I can understand how it happened. I'm almost curious if this would happen frequently under this kind of test or if it was a chance occurrence, either way it is clear that it can happen, I'm just curious how often it would under these circumstances. It also makes me wonder how an FN 49 would handle this test, as it is remarkably similar to an SKS, just in bigger calibers.
Thats why the SKS must have a bayonet!! Baaanzaaaaiii....
Note to self, keep your sks clean...
I'm surprised it did as well as it did. I thought you wouldn't be able to pull the bolt back after the first shot for sure.
Knowing how the SKS has an exposed carrier, especially how its frontal area is a mangled mess, I'm surprised it did this good.
I guess I'm starting to appreciate the merits of the DI action. Will you mud test a Ljungman or Ian's MAS collection? (Or had it been done?)
I love how this guy says they moved away from this because of it jamming with mud in it. Lol. That is some real entertainment there
hey, it occurs to me that maybe the results would change depending on the type of dirt and mud used. Though as it stands though, the stuff you guys are using is darn good for testing given its brutal nature
Just HOW do you clean these guns????
+Adam Croes Time and frustration. ~Karl
+Adam Croes
They piss on them. 😉
they said something beforre about taking a shower with them
I own 2 of them myself, and fire both pretty often. One of them I can take apart pretty easily, while the other I have trouble with taking some parts out (stiff or whatever)yet functions just fine. That one i take a decent pressure water hose to then dry it out with an air compressor and some cloth squares. Then pass a little oil on what moving parts I can access Takes about 5 minutes and have never really had a problem with it.
Both are Tula and dated 1954.
+Venicilia I think they're referring to the muddied weapons after they test them and not specifically SKS pattern rifles.
So SKS , AK FAILED? While AR didn't ?
Excellent! Finally! Why did I not find this before?
BTW I am still a fan of the SKS despite this.
Also, proper tool is not hammer, rather sickle.
perhaps a canteen full of water should be added as a remedial action to all of these test… Considering that should be available to an average soldier.
Did you guys ever do a mud test on a piston AR? Vs. a DI AR? I'd like to see that.
So what I'm getting from this, the M1, and the M14 is that overall, rifles which open up a lot have a higher chance of fucking up in the mud.
Duly noted.
I'm kinda curious how a Steyr AUG would perform, since in my mind it would be able to more or less be isolated from the muck and also reasonably easy to deal with stoppages.
It is almost like any mud in any action will cause issues and we as soldiers should respect and keep our rifles protected best we can. As well as clean it regularly while in the field....who knew?
"Get your pocket knife out"
Karl: Pulls out a *shortsword*
That poor paratrooper. I miss the days of new Norinco rifles--and cases of 7.62x39 for $60. I'll make sure to avoid dropping any of my rifles into mortar/mud. Awesome video though!
Another great gun with a big open hole in it. In my experience it's nothing a bit of water can't fix
Be nice to see how a AG42 (ljungman) or FN FNC would fare. Keep up the good work!
would love to see a vs mach between the SKS and an AK like you guys did with the SVD and the WA 2000👍
Catch us at the Great War Association in Newville PA with these modified as faux-chats! As long as they stay dry we can fire about 1000 blank rounds per weekend without deep cleaning them
that is a NICE KNIFE mate
Hey an advert played before this video, none of mine have had adverts yet or anywhere else I have seen. You must be the chosen one :)
It was probably something firearm related? ~Karl
No it was for gambling as it happens! William Hill ...
love to see a mud test on a range of bayonets. mud.. still works, more mud.. still works.
Last time I came this early my walther CCP fell to the ground.
What kind of knife does Carl have there?
These are worth it to watch Karl getting covered in mud
love my sks', but I knew it would fail this test badly. Thanks for posting this up.
Wow, you guys sound the same I have trouble figuring out who's talking sometimes. Are you brothers?
That was trippy at the very end how it pulsed
Not surprising, but still fun to watch.
Only thing I have to say is that was a nice stock
In the time it took to watch this video, Tapco's value on the NYSE took a nosedive :P
And did you hear that high pitched whine during the video? That was the sound of SKS fanboys the world over screaming "NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I'll be honest I expected the rifle to fail after the first shot, I'm mildly impressed, it sure did a lot better then the M14, M1 and the VZ58 so there's that I guess, interesting stuff though. I also recognize the rounds nosing into the internal magazine base/the almost nonexistent feed ramp and getting jammed, happens to me all the time if I don't load a full 10 rounds in, no idea why.
Ahhh another mud test, life is good.
So, they've done the DI Ar-15, the piston-fired HK416, and the piston-fired SKS. Now they just have to do a Rasheed carbine- a DI SKS- to round out the four corners.
Just as a thought since shadows are a big potential issue for your shooting locations, you may want to consider still employing a light on your camera for those times when a shadow is inevitable. The added light probably will not overly brighten the general scene, especially if you get a narrow beam.
Insofar as I'm concerned, there are two standards of success involving the mud test.
The first degree of success is what you'd hope every rifle can achieve; every time you pull the trigger, the rifle successfully cycles on its own.
The second degree of success is less desirable but still acceptable; the rifle fires every time you pull the trigger but requires assistance in being placed into battery without any failures to extract, eject or feed.
The latter is acceptable because you can treat the rifle as a straight-pull action and still be relatively effective with your available firepower. One of the major advantages of the FAL platform was precisely this feature -- you could deliberately disable the gas system for use in adverse conditions and treat the rifle as a straight-pull action to keep it working.
The lesson I'm getting is that you should be sure to keep your gun clean and learn how to keep mud away from the gun, especially if it is set up for stripper clip loading from the top.
Are those flinches when he's about to shoot but it fails?
Desert Eagle mud test would be fun.
im glad you did this so i dont have to
Thanks! I'm a bit dissapointed that it did as badly as it did ... but not terribly surprised. I do have a sweet spot for the SKS design though.
Would the factory cleaning rod have helped?
I still want an sks
I wonder if it would have helped to open the floorplate and drop the ammo (and probably some mud too) and reload. How about this- a lot of soldiers would pour some water from their canteen on the bolt to try to rinse the mud away from the extractor. Just a thought.
I just bought a Russian sks built in 1954. I like the sks but in a firefight I'll grab my AR. Nice rifle though. New sub to your channel.
As much as I would hate to see one get ruined, a SMLE mud test would be good to see if you can find an old sportorized one just to test the action. Not that I expect you to go out and buy one but at least here in Canada I have seen some sportorized ones that aren't exactly in the greatest shape for about 200 CDN
I think that's a Navy Arms "Cowboy Companion." I used to have one too, with the mount tab broken off as well. Pretty cool to see one on youtube.
It's not, it's just a CRKT. ~Karl
That's a really rare one, I think they imported even less than Navy Arms Co. did with CC's.
I love my two Yugos...will be steering clear of Arizona mud....fer sure...
Have you mud tested the mud?
Yeah. Tastes sorta like dirt. ~K
InRangeTV this is why you guys are the best.
You should try this with a lee Enfield.
I'm surprised you guys haven't done pistol mud tests
Can we have carcano mud test?
I know nothing about SKSs, is there a reason why Karl didn't push the bolt into battery by hitting the charging "handle" itself ?
To prevent an out of battery detonation. I prefer to remain alive, at least at this point. ~Karl