🛑 GPU Market Saved? 🛑 Ryzen 9000 BAD vs 7800X3D? 🛑 June 2024 Q&A EP1
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2:49 Ryzen 9000 Pricing?
3:26 Ryzen 9800X3D Release Date?
4:06 Issues Upgrading to 9800X3D?
4:59 Ryzen 9000 The New 14th Gen?
5:56 Ryzen 9000 Huge IPC Increase?
6:36 GPU Market Saved?
7:07 Massive Xe2 GPU Performance Claims
7:50 CAT Takes Over The Q&A
8:05 Intel Next GPU Gen Looking Strong
8:38 New Intel GPUs Just WORK!
9:26 GPU Upgrade - How Big Increase You Need?
10:35 1080p vs 1440p Gaming Increase
11:03 Benchmarks for Strategy Games?
11:33 CPU Upgrade - How Big Increase You Need?
12:15 NVIDIA vs AMD GPU Upgrade Older System
13:06 When Upgrade the CPU?
14:08 Older Intel System When to Upgrade?
14:32 DDR5 Sticks Going Away??
15:03 Why SLI & Crossfire GPUs Died
15:27 Why CAMM2 Might FAIL
16:05 Air vs Liquid Cooling - Who Wins?
16:58 Air Conditioner for CPU Cooling?
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Are you waiting for Ryzen 9000? Thoughts on upcoming GPUs? Built or upgraded recently, or planning to do so? Tell your story in a new comment below!
What case is that background PC
I tried it and it sucks especially the mic. If you want a good headset with excellent mic and soundgets the Corsair HS80 wireless. So for I’ve had it and it great. The mic on it is also really good.
Also if you want to save money all together just get a cheap wired Razer headset for $30 and get the Hyper X solo cast Mircophone for $30 and you’re all set.
Mr. Bear: "Ima sit in front of the camera." 😂
That's so Cat... "Look at me, ok?" 😸
Mr. Bear appreciates all the attention and thanks you both :)
Publishers depend too much on pushing updates over the internet instead of the old days when your game had to be fully developed before you burned it to disk.
Because you have to remember, it's better to have updates than developing a new game just to rerelease it without bug fixing
@@hihellothere9569 Updates are great, bug fixes are great, just seems to me the bugs were deeper in the past. Now days it appears that the releases are bata testing not real releases.
Thanks, for another informative video, Jason! I'm still rocking a 3700X + 6800XT, and I can play modern games like Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon Forbidden West at 4K, 60fps at High settings (native and FSR). My next upgrade will be a 5800X3D because I don't need the latest and greatest, and I like get the most out of my hardware. In fact, I've been playing my PS5 the most as far as recent gaming, goes. So, it's nice to see a channel that keeps viewers updated on the latest tech, but doesn't force upgrades on them due to sponsorships & other deals. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback it means a lot!
That will be a good CPU upgrade for you.
Just note the 5700X3D would also be a good CPU upgrade for you if you wanted to save a little.
I upgraded from 3700x and 3060Ti to 5800x3d and RX 6800XT-you will *not* be disappointed. With upscaling and frame gen, I can record gameplay, stream to my buddies in Discord, and still pull 180-200fps at 1440p & decent quality in WarZone
the worst headline I saw about the 7800x3d outperforming the non-x3d 9000 series was "AMD says its best gaming CPU will outperform the 9000 series gaming CPU's" or something to that effect - comparing the 7000 series x3d to the 9000 series non-x3d but referring to them both as "gaming CPUs" without clarifying that difference. It sucks that even generally decent quality outlets, like this one was, have to respond to the incentives for misleading clickbait article titles.
The wait for real 3rd party testing is brutal
We will need to see how the numbers look with overclocked/PBO values as well because that's where X3D chips struggle because of the heat the memory holds so less power throughput, lower clocks. In mixed use or games that want higher clocks and can't utilize the cache they might compete. Also memory controller will be improved. I want to wait for third party and think it will be very interesting
Didn't the 5800x3d do the same!?
Ok..you just said the 5800x3d thing
@@senilestixyeah
I did go to check out that very first video! Amazing how far this channel has come since then.
oh noo! (;
Yes we've come a long way and we are very grateful!
Wow! Getting a shout out from PC Builder! I totally agree with you sir.
Ur cat is so adorable and i swear ive watched the past 4 of your videos just to see if that majestic back cat would sitting there with you
He is the true star of the channel I know (;
14:33 Thanks, m'dude. I'm not planning to build PC yet. I just didn't see the content creators on UA-cam mentioned about CAMM2 modules that much.
Have a nice day.
Love your vids bro keep it up!!
Thanks so much, glad you're enjoying them! And thanks for watching :)
Great video. Keep up the good work. Competition is definitely needed, especially in the gaming GPU market.
Thanks for watching!!
YAY!!! Mr. Bear. Thanks for the tips Jason. I think am going to wait until 2025 to look for a new processor, it just doesn't seem like a big upgrade to what I have currently. I have an idea if no one has mentioned this before. At the end of each video, you could end it with let's say a 5 to 10 second long shot of "out of focus cat" doing what he does best. =)
Thats a great idea (;
@@PCBuilderChannel Of course, lots of us love your content and all the work you put together for us but, sometimes the information is not always positive, GPU Prices went up again, new cards don't perform the way they were supposed to, CPUs suck, scalpers, etc. So, having to close a video with "Out of Focus cat" would make many of us smile, and those in the Mr. Bear's cult will remain engaged until the end of the video.
Im excited to see all these new parts ill be able to upgrade to in a couple years
Yes!
11:08 Really glad I'm not the only one scratching my head trying to find strategy benchmarks of any kind anywhere. Grand RTSs make up the vast majority of my playtime, so I definitely see how they'd be difficult to reliably do.
Love your videos brother thanks for the up date
Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for turning down the excitement. this demener is a lot easier to watch. Good one!
This is generally the energy for Q&A videos and our "Best of" videos. I turn up the energy for Market Updates and Boost My Builds as needed (;
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the feedback!
Building a creator rig for DaVinci Resolve and astrophotography processing. Planning to reuse an RTX 4080 paired with 9950x. Should I wait for an 870 chipset motherboard or go with the 670?
I'd wait a few weeks for us to get testing on all this!
Hey PC Builder, I have an i7-12700k and an rtx 4070ti. Is it worth it to change platforms to am5 with the 7800x3d? Benchmarks show a difference in gaming. I really want the 9800x3d when it comes out but I'd be okay with the 7800x3d.
Prices are almost confirmed, its slightly cheaper than last gen release. 9950x3d should be beast with all core 3d v cache and cache improvement and lower tdp + ipc uplift. I wish radeon was like ryzen
I saw those leaks too! Still rumor of course but we'll go over them more in our CPU Market Update coming soon
Well the 9950X3D being a better product than 7950X3D isn't hard to predict, but the question is still WHEN? AMD has not yet said anything about the X3D processors other than basically "Yes, they will be released, some time". My guess is that when Intel releases their new chips AMD may retaliate with the 9000 series X3D chips. All to try to stay on top where games are concerned and to steal some thunder. As for the all cores 3D V cache, well we will have to see how that performs. The thing is that cache content will differ between the two CCDs, thus if a process is moved from a core on the first CCD to a core on the second CCD the cache content will not support that process. Ways to combat this would be to avoid moving processes between CCD or if there were some fast connection between the two caches that allowed cache data to either replicate or be accessed remotely.
Now how good any of these would be I can't really guess at. The buss between the caches are what I think is least likely, so most probably there will be an attempt to lock processes to cores on one of the CCDs. This was probably a reason why the processors in the 7000 family with two CCD only had the cache on one of them.
Thanks, I love your videos, really sensible and great information. I will hold off a month or 2 before I decide how to make my big upgrade.
Oh and thank you for giving practical advice! I personally won't be aiming for 4k, and I will make sure I don't have bottlenecks. I really want to get that balance.
Glad it was helpful!
I am literally looking at upgrading.....
Time to watch for any news.
Trolling through all the pc sites as I watch. UK based
Always good to see Mr. Bear!!
The star returns!
PC Builder would you like to make an individual tier list for mid to high end Cpu Gpu combos for each resolution? for example have a 5800x3d and make deep dive into what gpu is the least performant to the most permformant at 1080p 1440p for example. I have a hard to be convinced in going to anthing that is higher ther 1080p since Im not ready to upgrade my monitor, maybe a tier list like this one would make me upgrade.
Already got you! See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video
thank you Ill give it a look
Jason! I have a teeny questing, I have a 6700Xt with a Ryzen 5 5600x, 16gb of ram at 3200. I also have a 1080p monitor at 165hz refresh rate. I want to get a 1440p monitor to see if games would be cleaner. I want really good visuals and performance but don’t know if this is the right time to upgrade anything. Would you recommend upgrading anything as I plan to do in the moment , or wait until the 5090 comes out and start a fresh new build as I’ve already had this for 2 years and wish to set myself up for the long run where I don’t need to upgrade for years and years. Thank you for reading this if you have I really appreciate the feedback as you’re one of the only pc UA-camrs I trust 🙏
Depending on what games you play and the settings you want to use 6700XT is good for 1440p. I'd think about dropping in a 5700X3D when you are ready for a system upgrade. That would allow you to upgrade your GPU as high as you want in the future. See our How to Upgrade your PC 2024 video for more on this
Came for the tech updates, stayed for the cat lol
Best reasons! (;
The videos I saw of motherboards using CAMM2 only had one module screwed down with 4 screws. Adding more ram will require a new module instead of adding sticks.
Defo looking forward to the 9800X3D release benchmarks, whenever they get here. I’m using a 7600X and am interested in seeing what the gaming uplift is between the two.
Me too!
Just bought that acer predator a770 16gb thats shown in the thumbnail. It came with a free 32gb usb drive with drivers on it, very cool.
Nice!
Hey,
First of all, thanks for reading this. I currently own a laptop (acer predator helios 300) with 16gb ram, i9 12th gen, 3060 and 3 tb storage(2tb recently added). I wanted to make a gaming rig, the specs on my mind are 7800x3d, 4070ti super. Is this a right time for the same? Or should I wait for a bit longer, there are certain bottlenecks that my laptop faces and hence I have stopped playing certain titles. Can you guide me for the same?
I mostly play valorant and have recently started playing some more games. RDR2 is just super smooth.
Those specs are good and no need to wait.
That's a great combo. You can wait a few weeks to see the new Ryzen CPUs but as we say in this video they are unlikely to beat the 7800X3D so you certainly don't have to wait. See our 7800X3D build guide for a full sample build list
Wee, you took my question 😊
I'll keep paying attention to the 5700x3d pricing then.
Thanks for asking the question! And sounds like a plan
i upgradefrom ryzen 5 2600 and gtx1660 to ryzen 7 5700x3d and zotac 4070super and im so happy witht he results. i can play cyberpunk and any of those games at ultra ray tracing and its so awesome. but it runs so hot it makes me nervous. it maxed at 90.8C but i think its suposed to go hot? i might get a better cooler
I built my current PC with a 5600X and an RTX 3700 in 2021, I'm still regretting not waiting and going for AM5 but since I don't need to build a new pc any time soon, it feels good to sit and watch all of this play out. Maybe I can snag a 57/5800X3D if I ever see it on sale but I'd rather just save up for the next build. By the time I'm ready to build a new PC, my options should be really good.
I’m torn. I’m in the market to build a new computer (currently running a i7 6700k and a 1080ti at 1440p). When I upgrade I go all out, because as you can see my tech is pretty old. With that being said I was sold on the 7800x3d, but with the new 9000 series coming out, should I go ahead and wait for a 9000 series or 9000x3d when they come out or get a 7800x3d now.
Also when is the 9000x3d chip coming out?
We actually grapple with this exact thing in the video! Lots of people asking this question right now.
If you want to go 7800X3D I can help you pick out parts if you want. I just need to know your budget.
9000 is coming out allegedly near the end of the year and x3d releasing a lil while after, the prices will be roughly the same but with a lil better performance if you wanna wait it’ll be a tiny bit better but up to you. In the same boat and I’m torn between getting a 4080 super for rt and dlss or waiting for 50 series. But if 50 series launch is being held back by china restrictions then I’m not sure
If I were you I would not get the 7000x3d chip as you'll be playing at 1440p. I would wait and pick up the 9600x chip as that would be more than enough for your needs. X3d chips benefit most at 1080p.
I would go with the 7800X3D, then wait like two years until the 9800X3D is on sale and then drop that in. It's all AM5 right?
7800X3D excels in gaming due to the cache. It's actually SLOWER in productivity than the 8-core 7700. The new 9000 series will not have the 3D cache, but not only will be able to at least approach 7800X3D in gaming, but should be way faster in productivity and general computing. That is the choice. If you really ONLY care about gaming and/or you have to build now, pick a current chip that you are happy with. Otherwise I would really wait, and I believe the 9000 series will be awesome.
Iceberg Tech released a SLI video yesterday.
Didn't know you were a New Yorker as well. Kind of feel like that makes you much cooler.
Lived there for 6 years! But we moved to New Orleans last August.
youre the only pc channel ive subbed too great work jason. I respect the passion you have for this hobby. Can you tell me if you think innovation in gaming gpus will start to decline as nvidia's priority has changed?
So glad you are enjoying and thank you for the sub! I hope not but lack of competition is bad for consumers for sure.
Hey what do you think about the KTC 4K 27 zoll 160Hz HDR400 1ms monitor for 450€? The other options are GIGABYTE m28u-ek 28inch 144Hz amd ASUS TUF VG28UQL1A also 28inch 144Hz but they are around 550€ where I'm at. These 3 are my current options. Thank you in advance for answering.
As long as the KTC 4K has good reviews go for it.
The ASUS isn't worth buying as they somewhat recently Scammed Gamer's Nexus and while the Gigabyte is a good one that Jason recommends if the KTC has good reviews just save the money and get that.
I see bear and im happy. My day is made, jason is the side character in the video 😛
you gotta make a bear themed build someday, like let bear chose between 2 or 3 motherboards, gpus, cpus and build a system with it, just floating an idea.
That's a great idea!
As someone who lives in the Caribbean and dont have aircon, i have used a fuma2 on a 9900k with a 3090 for gaming for a long time. I also used to mine crypto ona bunch of 1070s and rx570s. 75 on the cpu and gpu doesnt matter to components rated for 90. And when you consider the air coolers we have nowadays, in hot climates they are actually fine, but you may have to take your shirt off now and then.
Let’s go Jason! #CatDads!! First 5 minute gang gang!! 😂
We sure do appreciate it! #catdads
I have a 3600x CPU with a 1050 Ti + 16G RAM, planning to get a long time investment, like 5-15 years.
Should I wait for the next gen if my goal is to have a relatively low energy requirement or buy now a 7700x CPU + 7900 XT (for the 20G VRAM - so this part needs a lot later upgrade)?
I'll probably not use this build' full capacity for now, planning to play (and mod) Sins of a Solar Empire 2 in 4k. Not sure if 32G RAM will be enough or should I go for 64.
Hope you (or someone in the comments) can help even with just a few advice regarding this build and purchase.
A 7700XT or 7900XT will be CPU bottlenecked by a 3600X so I would consider dropping in a 5700X3D as well if you are looking to move to that level of GPU. See our How to Upgrade your PC 2024 video for more
@@PCBuilderChannel thanks :)
@@Immortalitsso yes a 5700X3D and 7900XT is a good combo of you don't want to spend money on a new Motherboard and RAM.
However if you want to go AM5 the 7600 CPU is a great choice. Jason doesn't think the 7700/7700X is worth the extra money.
You could also look at the 7900GRE GPU. Would also be a great pair with either CPU.
well i want soemthing better then my 12700k and 3070ti, I want it to last me 5 yrs . what do u recommend ? i also play high fps high refreshrate
Hi jason, is it possible to add RGB to the ASRock B550M-HDV?
I have central AC, but in my gaming room, which is also my amateur radio room, I have a supplemental window AC unit. I can cool the room to 6-8 degrees Fahrenheit below the rest of the house in 10-15 minutes, and it makes all the difference in PC temps.
Exactly!
Thanks for your input early on, I just built a new build with a 7800x3d and pulled my gpu from last rig (7900 xt) was wondering if I should of waited for 9000 x3d chips
I'd say you are all good! (:
If you wait for 9800x3d, then you might as well wait for 11800x3d, etc... just enjoy gaming now. 7800x3d is well priced and will be fantastic for a long time. Then save your money for an awesome gpu 2 years from now.
@@Korrik7 yeah got a bundle from microcenter for the 7800x3d, basically for $200 only thing is I got the one with an ASUS motherboard and idk if they cleared up things with theirs.
@@PCBuilderChannel i have a big question, is it better to plug my headphones into the line out on the motherboard (Tuf B650-E wifi) or into the case io jack
Great video ! , I think I will upgrade from the Ryzen 5950x to the Ryzen 9950x 3D when it comes out. real gain in games and productivity.
Powercolor Fighter 7900 GRE hit $499 for a couple of days earlier this week. I was tempted to pull the trigger, but might just wait for fall and see if I can snag a 7900xt or 7900xtx at a decent price.
I know! That was a great price. Prime Day is coming up though
Always nice to have the hardware updates but we have not seen the cats recently (until today) 😊🎉
Yes the star of the channel returns!
For the air cooler question. I have a 7800X3D + 7900 GRE rig. My office is typically ~25*C in the summer. I cool the 7800X3D with a Thermalright Burst Assassin with two fans (~$30) with typical load temps at ~70*C on the CPU and ~65*C on the GPU (3 fan model).
thanks for sharing!
Yup, it's all the extra cores on, say, i7 & i9 cpus which need all the extra cooling. Mad to get all those cores just for gaming, since you'll have to pay for extra cooling to handle the extra cores, which you won't be using anyway! But, as always, yer pays yer money, yer takes yer choice...As the saying goes.
What about the intel ultra series? Will they be as scammy as 14th gen?
I built a new 7800X3D system a few months ago. I'm feeling pretty good about that decision at this point.
Nice!
With CAMM2 memory you don't need to worry about Tower cooling placements.
I just replaced my Sapphire 590SE with a RX 7800XT and i get around double FPS at high settings.I am sure i can get more though, but that likely will require me to upgrade MB and CPU as it's a B450 paired with an R5 3600. I am currently considering the options between just upgrading the 2 and stay on AM4 or upgrade RAM (and maybe 1-2 NVME's) as well and go AM5. But just by the upgrades done i see a significant improvement in the gaming at 1440p 21:9 format
I would say just upgrade your CPU to the 5700X3D. Your Motherboard is also fine if you do that.
@@kelley09162 That is the one i am considering if i stay on AM4
I have a sli and crossfire setup no issues they work great.
The sli specs z390a asus motherboard i7 9700 cpu 32gb ddr4 3200hz m.2 ssd 256gb operating system 4tb ssd (2)rog strix 1070s msi bridge 850watt psu.
The crossfire specs b550 tomahawk motherboard ryzen 5 5500 cpu 32gb ddr4 ram 3200hz m.2 ssd 256gb 3tb hdd (2)rx 580s 750watt psu. Both windows 10 pro operating system xmp enabled and all cores enabled.
How dare you claim dominion over our Dark Lord Ambrosius?!? Now he has left us!
Kidding aside I’ll be at Microcenter during the live stream later so this should be interesting
Ohh fun! I'm so jealous
hi jason, do u know if there's something we can do about the huge post times on ddr5 platforms? rocking an msi mag b650 tomahawk and gskill trident z5 neo 2x16gb 6000 cl30(amd expo)
You can try enabling memory context restore and setting expo manually to improve boot times. It may not work for everyone but you could try. It seemed to work for me.
I wish DRR5 was stable. Mabye 9000 series will have better memory controller.
Camm2 ram may be a good replacement for sodimm on laptop (gaming user). However, for laptop non-gaming user (e.g. auditing / accounting / banks), we always buy in bulks with majority of celeron or i3 (some i5) with 1 stick jof edec ram. Benefit of Camm2 simply does not matter. These days, firms priority is investing in AI for automation, auditing sampling & forensic accounting.
Do you think 7800X3D could be weak when it comes to the upcoming rtx 5080 or 5090 cards when it comes to gaming/streaming?
No way, you're good with that one for gaming another 2-3 years
I'd like to see him do an infomercial of the Slap Chop. 😂
can you talk about UN5 engine and how hard we get higher fps PURE NATIVE 4k resolution with powerful gpu like 4090 ?
Man, the first Homeworld was a gutter punch right in the feelings. Especially the early mission where you return from the test run and everything is destroyed. The vocal version of Adagio for strings was just amazing.
I haven't touched Homeworld 3 yet. Maybe I won't. I'm not sure I can get back into it, as my skills have changed away from RTS to something where I have more time to think and get my chickens in a row
Its especially hard to take the terrible storytelling when the earlier games were so good!
@@PCBuilderChannel uff, that's just a major letdown. I guess I'll just stick with remastered collection then.
Quick question: I currently have r5 5600x and rtx3050, and am planning on getting a Rtx 4070ti super. Will my 5600x keep up or should I upgrade?
No you'd want to upgrade to the 5700X3D.
I liked the video. Rock on HomeNewness - keep them doggiez rollin, rawhide
Hi! my current pc is running a ryzen 5 3400g and 1080p monitor but i wanna make an upgrade most likely its gonna be a new rig and 1440p extra monitor in the future and im eyeing the AM5 specs with a great upgrade path like starting with ryzen 5 7600 r 7600XT and im undecided with a starter GPU i can pair it with . im thinking Radeon 7600 or the XT version. any advice?
Definitely the XT version.
Just know though the 5700X3D would be a great CPU upgrade for you and it wouldn't require a new Motherboard and RAM.
I'd also consider a 5700X3D instead but if you want to jump to AM5 you can. See our How to Upgrade your PC 2024 video for more
@@kelley09162 but thats exactly my point. i want to go for AM5 for future proofing and its basically gonna be a new rig. thats also why i wanna start with ryzen 7600 or X as base then add a 1440p monitor in the future thats why i was asking for a starter GPU for this build that can handle 1440p as well in the future
@@jekoi2057 that's totally fine. I was just trying to save you money.
AM5 is good if that's what you want.
haha excellent content!
Hi great video.
I always Got AMD GPU. But since i burned my finger on phenom 2 with bsod/errors. I only had Intel cpu.
Are AMD CPU stability good now pair with recommended ram?
Considering Jason continues to recommend them I'd say yes
Absolutely. In fact better in some cases these days ie the 13900K and 14900K being huge problems
Dev did it good with the Deserts of Karak. It was awesome. I don’t know what happened and they messed up H3.
Back in the day I had the rule of thumb that I do not pay more than 300 euros for a GPU and with that rule most of the time I got myself GTX ?60 cards till I got to my 1660 ti which I use since 2019 on a daily bases together with my now 5600x CPU. Sadly it will be time soon to upgrade the GPU tho I think I have to upgrade my rule of thumb if I look at those 4060 prices ... any recommendation on what to pick else? Maybe it is time to switch to team red after seventeen years of team green cards? What about the 6800? 7700 xt? Thanks!
Intel's Arc gpus perform very well and are priced well. I don't know the market where you are but they might be worth looking at to keep your rule of thumb. I have an A770 and haven't had issues with it yet.
@@Zxanonblade But isn't the A770 slower than a RTX 3060? :(
Powwrcolor 7900 GRE Hellhound or Asrock 7900 GRE, this is best value on the market that will last a few years
I'm currently going to be buying this for QHD ultra wide 1400 gaming. It has decent Raytracing and above 100fps at max settings for most if not all games. The price is 550
@@Tronnus it ties with the 3060, but since you were considering the 4060, that's why I suggested it. The 4060 isn't a massive upgrade compared to the 3060, except it has frame gen.
All would be an upgrade from the 1660ti
It looks like if you wait you’ll get 10-20% more performance in terms of rumored cpu and gpu releases later this year for roughly the same price or slightly more. Currently torn between 4080super and waiting for 50 series but am concerned about the releases being gimped by chinas ai restrictions
I would be worried too! Check out our latest GPU Market Update video for more on our thoughts on this
SLI and CrossFire failed partly because they were too ahead of their time. The concept of using multiple GPUs for gaming isn't unheard of, but it requires a very fast interconnect as well as skilled programmers/good libraries, things that just were not available when the push for mGPU happened. A real shame, but that's just how things are.
That's probably true (RE: Crossfire/SLI). I think the incentives issue is the key. There just wasn't an incentive to keep pushing SLI/Crossfire because GPU performance advanced way faster than they could fix the interconnect, so buying a "bigger GPU" just made more sense. Similarly with CAMM2, while the benefits seem obvious over DDR5 DIMMs, I don't think they will be valued enough to spend more on CAMM2 motherboards and modules which will have a huge early adopter tax put on them. Especially given how the fastest gaming CPUs are now X3D where RAM speed matters very little. But we'll see!
@@PCBuilderChannel The SLI and Crossfire tech was quite different to the initial SLI tech developed by 3dfx. Their tech was called Scan Line Interleaving. With two cards each of them processed the even or the odd scanlines. This meant that they had almost exactly the same amount of work to do for each image generated. The Nvidia solution instead lets each graphics card produce odd or even pictures so each other image is delivered by each GPU. if something major happens such as a shift between scenes then the load on the cards can differ a lot. There's also the thing where the game had to be programed to use SLI for Nvidia or Crossfire or it wouldn't work at all. With 3dfx solution there were no such programming necessary. All games using GLint would run in SLI if you had two Voodoo cards and connected them correctly. Now I have no idea if it would have been possible to implement a tech like that in DirectX, Vulcan or OpenGL, so perhaps this shortcoming wasn't avoidable. Having said that even now it is possible to use several GPU to run one game using the latest version of DirectX, but it has to be programed to do so, and the number of users with several high performance GPUs in the same machine is so low that as far as I know there are no games written to use that.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Rendering alternate scanlines wouldn't guarantee equal work division, as there's still plenty of tasks that are not dependent on screen space.
DX11 does support imGPU, which puts the burden on the driver to split the work. Vendors HATED this because there were ALWAYS bugs and performance problems.
DX12 introduced emGPU which put the onus on developers to support multiple cards, but had the advantage of allowing you to mix models, vendors and even iGPUs and no need for special bridges. Unfortunately mGPU adoption at the time was so horrid and the lack of good libraries lead to pitiful support.
Apple's M Ultra chips don't fall into many of these mGPU pitfalls, but they're soldered and have an extremely expensive interconnect to allow the two M Maxes to work as a single chip. This doesn't work for DIY PCs
Until we solve the interconnect problem mGPU will remain this way
@@PCBuilderChannel Yeah, agree with you on that. It should be noted that CAMM has benefits outside of performance, and has JEDEC standardization backing, as well as way less programming overhead. I think it stands a much better chance at sticking around than mGPU
I'd say it was really the ushering of x2 cards that got equal or better performance to using sli/crossfire. For a lot of the time the added memory was not fully utilized and also unless you got higher-end overpriced enthusiast-grade boards the two PCIe x16 ports would be down clocked to dual x8.
*I have a power supply unit and I don't know if I need to connect 2 cables of 600w each*
I need help finding a 65% keyboard with rgb and rgb software any color but white and I also need a mouse with rgb any recommendations
is Ryzen 5 7600X + 4070 Super are Good idea for Temporary? and then switch to Ryzen 9000 series X3D when it comes out.. TIA
Absolutely. And you wouldn't need to switch anytime soon unless you were unhappy with the performance for some reason. Check out our 7600 build guide for more
Should i get a 4070ti Super upgraded from a 3060ti? Or wait for the 50 series? Just got into 1440p.
I bought a 7900 GRE but every game had shader compilation stutter on a fresh windows install so im thinking im gonna return that.
I would make sure you can't fix the 7900GRE before you return is as it should be great for 1440p.
But if you do yes the 4070 Ti Super would be a good 1440p option. I just wish it were priced better.
@@kelley09162 Ya i tried all day yesterday to see if i could get it to work but was still having those same issues. Really not sure what was going on there.
Try reinstalling the drivers on the GPU (mabye even use DDU). If it’s still doing it then it’s most likely a defective GPU.
Yes the 4070TI super is technically the better option as it has AI features like DLSS which can help in gaming and productivity but it is horribly priced.
Depends on the rest of your system, see our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video for that. But that's really strange you're having trouble with the 7900 GRE. I'd see about RMA ing if needed
im on am4 been on it since its first release, i got a 1700x now im sitting on a 5600x that i will be using until probably am6, i see the performance increases from am4 to am5 being not that big. Its not at all like it was with am3+ to am4. The value imo is just not there if you already have an am4 system. Im really looking forward to battlemage, i really wanted to get an arc a770 16gb card but at the time and still now they are over ~$300 so i instead got an open box 8gb rx7600 for $220 like a week after launch
What really turned me off of am5 was the 7000 series launch and how hot everyone was reporting that it ran. Also i dont like how the 5600x runs, it is always running at its max speed without regard to usage, so idle temps are 45-50 degrees and is only a bother because my room is small so it heats up fast
i think I’m going to upgrade to a 9800x3d right before zen 6 arrives since the price will definitely drop, currently using 7500F with RX6800, might as well upgrade to a rx8000 series by then
i love how majestic mr bear is and quietly approving the information you give 🖤
He is a fancy house panther!
Where are the questions posted that Jason answers? Also where do folks post builds/parts list for folks to review/critique (or for Jason to make better/more balanced)?
There's a community post every month asking for submissions.
June's hasn't happened yet so I would guess it will soon unless he's skipping this month.
Both the boost my build series and our Q&A series come from community posts once a month. We also announce its time on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
did the fix the 7800x3d internal memory controllers failing?
Wait! Is it actually worth upgrading if you are gonna get a 5090? I have a 7900x3d, would I want to upgrade the cpu too?
We have 0 idea of the real specs of either so any answer would be pure speculation. That being said, CPUs outpace GPUs for gaming like crazy. If all you're doing is gaming, and not doing specific cpu intensive games like some simulation games, then most like 7xxx series CPUs will still be perfectly fine.
Im more interested in the x870 motherboards and whether or not AMD will be able to benefit from faster memory with it.
i love that you have a cat with u.. it makes me trust you like 47% more then i otherwise would.
Should I upgrade now to 7800X3D with my 3080 12gb? Or wait for the new AMD cpus? Also probably going to upgrade at some point to 50/60 series of nVidia.
You certainly can but it’s not a long wait either
@@PCBuilderChannel is it worth upgrading for a long term? I mean can i use that CPU with the next gen gpus
I just pick up the 7900x3d for 338 on Amazon and am planning on ordering a pny 4080 super soon. Any advice for other components? This is my first pc 😢
What's your budget for this PC? Once I know I can try and make a build for you.
I don't recommend the 7900X3D especially for a first time builder. It has all kinds of issues. You'd be way better off going 7800X3D. See our 7800X3D build guide for a great sample list and more on the issues with the other 3d CPUs
I mainly see negative things about the 7900x3d. I game and do video editing. For $329 the 7900x3d seems like a good deal deal to me. What do you think?
Sadly there are issues with that and the 7950X3D so I don't recommend either. See our latest 7800X3D build guide video for more, we go over this there
Intel is probably still the best choice for productivity and editing
lol so I'm supposed to upgrade? Running 9900k at 5.1 all core with 32gb 4000 cl 16 ram and 45ns latency, according to time spy my system scores much higher than a 7700x + 4070 system.
I have no plans to upgrade any time soon, as long as I get 4k 60 fps I don't need to upgrade.
My advice is don't upgrade if you are happy where you are at!
On grand strategy games, not all of them are turn based. Stellaris is basically real time, with the ability to pause and set time to move faster or slower.
With Stellaris, you sometimes get a big lag spike when something happens suddenly across the entire galaxy in the late game. In benchmarking Stellaris, it would be less "how many fps" and more "how long was the big lag spike".
Ooh, that reminds me, I need a haircut🤔✌
Power consumption? Operating temperature? Price?
the 9000 series series will be price dependant
All of the gamers here won't relate, but I bought a Arc A380 for the my desktop and I'm OK with it. Dual booting Fedora Linux and Windows 11. Enjoy the informative vids from Jason.
If you're happy thats all that matters! (:
the 9000 is looking like its going to come in cheaper than when the 7000's dropped. but if I had the 7800x3d I would not be looking at a new CPU for the next 2 or 3 years. if I had the 5800x3d I might think of a upgrade but that's only if I was using a monitor that I could not get the most out of.
Right now I'm really stopping myself from going from the 13700 to a 7950X3D because of the promo that's going on.. I am still on DDR4 as well, which will be a huge bump to my multitasking once I move to DDR5, I think. Great video, however, keep up the great work!
Don't go 7950X3D is my advice though! That and the 7900X3D have performance issues which is why you're seeing their prices fall. See our 7800X3D build guide for more on this
@@PCBuilderChannel Wouldn't that make streaming/recording a bit more of a hassle due to less multitasking performance? After all it's 16 threads vs 32 threads..
What best motherboard and memory and storage or any improve for my built?
CPU-AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Ryzen 7 7000 Series 8-Core 4.2 GHz
GPU-ASRock Taichi Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 ATX Video Card
Case-Corsair 5000D Airflow Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX PC Case, Black
Operating system- Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-bit, DVD - OEM
CPU Cooler- I don’t yet any suggestions
Motherboard- any suggestions
Storage- any suggestions
Budget -2k-3k future proof
So Jason doesn't like that Case because it only includes 2 Fans.
So, do you want a Case with RGB or not?
Will you do a 4k monitor for this year?
Yes! Waiting on some new monitor launches but planing on doing a 4k monitor video. In the meantime my current 4k recommendations are in the Best Gaming Monitor 2024 video and we keep the links in the description there updated for best current deals
Where can I go to ask what I should do with my build to get a little more performance. I feel like I’m bottlenecking somewhere
I can try and help, I just need to know your specs.
I'm looking into creating a Discord for PC optimizations and basically work with the community on how to deal with Windows 11 as the Windows 10 apocalypse is coming one day.
I'd start with our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video followed by our How to Upgrade your PC 2024 video. You might also want to check out our Channel Membership. We have a great community of pc builders in the discord who like to help each other with builds
Ok so I have about $300-$400 to upgrade my PC. Currently Ryzen 7 2700 + 1070ti, 32GB ram and 6TB of storage (it's a media server). I play mostly FPS (Overwatch, Destiny and SWTOR) and have been having a very hard time deciding CPU Upgrade or GPU. Can't do both? What should I do?
My recommendation would be to stretch to $500, pick up a 5700X3D and also a 6700XT or 6750XT for $299. That would be a massive upgrade for you and set you up for years to come.
@@PCBuilderChannel he could also go 5600 and 6700XT/6750XT.
@@PCBuilderChannel Will that allow for 1440p gaming or 4k?
@@PCBuilderChannel thank you jason! I'm a big fan of the channel. You are one of the few people that put this in layman's terms. I appreciate it❤
@@JasonKovarik1440p Gaming. The 6750XT won't do 4K.
Though putting the 5700X3D in there will allow for a future GPU upgrade that would be good for 4K.
i have nova 7, love them
I'm just keeping an eye out for white amd camm2 motherboards. 👀