It sounds to me like we are hearing is his voice as well as the ox being picked up by a single mic in the room. So we are not hearing the direct tone of the ox, but rather it being played back through the studio monitors and picked up off-axis by the mic in the room which might explain the out-of-phase kind of sound as you put it. Does that make sense? I could be completely wrong.
You got a weird phase thing going on. Were you milking the amp live and using the OX direct on the same track? I have a couple OX's but I don't track live and use the modeling too unless I adjust the phase alignment.
I have had mine for a few years and I absolutely love it. Especially after the update with the Mesa style cab. Amazing for high gain. If it broke, I’d buy another today. For someone who has a home studio, I think it is essential.
I have a mesa boogie tube head going into the ox box. It is sooo great! The years of me having a half stack blaring by me are over. I would only do something different if I had a separate iso room just for cabs with mics.
Don’t be so hard on yourself. If you play in tune and in rhythm you can make great music with simple playing. And you can throw away anything you don’t like. Thanks for posting.
There's something kind of phasey or scooped and indirect about the tone. I've heard plenty of tracks recorded with an Ox and they sound convincing so is it possible you have something in your recording mis-configured? Maybe collapsing a stereo tone into mono or semi mono? Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to hate on you or video, or the Ox. It's clear you put a huge effort into them and I enjoy your content. I record a lot of mic'd guitar cabs with Royers, Beyers, 421s, 414s, 409s, 57s, and AEA mics - lots of standard stuff. Usually dual mic setups on vintage tube amps and speakers. I have most of the old stuff that gets modeled. These are sounds I know pretty well. I'm in my studio listening on my monitors that I also know well. I generally always point my mics directly at the cone and not at an angle. Anywhere from the dust cover to the edge, perpendicular to the grill cloth. For the sake of reproducing sounds, I try to avoid angles because it's harder to recreate (I can see in the Ox interface there's an angled 421). I've also felt that an angled mic sounds a little weird to me but I can also accept that it might be informed by personal bias. I get that a sound wave coming off a speaker cone a pretty wild event from a fluid dynamics perspective and my opinions might be totally off with regard to how a microphone interacts with a speaker. Sorry for the wall of text. You made a lot of great content this year.
Yeah there’s a good chance something’s up, I was used the audio from the screen recording instead of actually tracking it for this vid. I’ll be using it in many future videos.
@@AndrewMasters That kind of explains what I was hearing. Probably the bitrate for the audio in the screen recorder is not high enough for a "studio quality" audio experience. I can understand the desire to simplify the media capture when producing a video like this. There are no free lunches when making gear videos for an audio focused audience. Have a great new year!
@@AndrewMasters In UAD Console, make sure SR Convert is turned on. This will match the sample rate of the OX to your interface. 44.1 is standard on the OX I believe.
I have mine as in insert into my Kahayan amp switcher with 8 amps combos/heads driving real cabs (Marshall 4x12, Mesa 1x12). One button and I can grab a whole new amp/rig for layering. Still mic my cabs as well so I have the flexiblity in mix to choose re-amp (Palmer DI), stereo OxBox or my miked cabs. 200% overkill.
I use the two notes captor x. It’s so good and a lot cheaper. It has some killer features. I actually don’t ever mic up a speaker. I’m thinking of selling the 4x12. Ps. Grab a Marshall silver jubilee. Either the big version or studio version and you will have great amp for your studio
Ox box is fab and ya of course you can mic up your cab and in fact can do so running amp super hot with low level in room , But most of the heavies say simply they get as good or better result direct using mics and cabs in the box … and ya it does change sound for me for the better as I can really run my head far hotter than I could normally in my home studio
There's something wrong with your setup, the OX should not sound like that (I have one) - not sure what you've done but sounds like significant phase issues!
I find the magic happens when you take advantage of the stereo capability. Try two line in channels into your interface and play around more with stereo placement. I also use a looper to run a guitar loop and then tweak the settings while the looper is playing the pattern. You instantly hear the difference without having to stop playing and turn knobs and then start again...
The Ox Box is great. But you have to unhook it from your amp if you're going to record from a mic because the attenuator that's built-in will darken your tone a TON (as in it can turn a bright Marshall dark).
Hi, I'm interested in the ox box, all the demos are very convincing and everything looks great. I have a question if after the installation everything works well or if there are problems that the computer needs to be fixed again for it to work. This is the only thing that worries me because my big problem is that after they come to install the ox for me, problems will start that I have to deal with. Because I'm really not good at working with a computer, I'm pretty analog. Thank you
Ya Im a nerd too, I bought this Ox thing, and I love the quality and functionality about it, but I have yet to learn how to tie it all through my Daw and use it for a live rig at home, or even to record. One thing I tried a few days ago, was to use the line outs to drive 2 separate amps, kinda like a wet dry wet, however Im not sure this is a correct way to do this, but it works!
Hey Andrew! I'm an nyc session guitarist that loves my killer vintage fender Vox Marshall, BUT-apartment studio. You did a drum rec. video that you got killer drum sounds in, so I listen to you cuz you know what great sounds are. I got an m160, the only mic a guitar amp needs, but it's just too damn loud! Lol. You make me want to get the ox. Looking at the iron man, but the ox looks like one-stop shopping. Stick it into the 1073, and that's it, right? Im so tired of messin w guitar sounds w headphones on. You still recommend the ox? Thanks my man...
Have you checked the audio? somethings not right... your room mic in parallel with the OX through the monitors? It´s super phasey and def. doesn´t sound like the OX.
I only use the OX as load box to tame levels for my iso cab. For recordings I only use the room Mic emulation. This gives me a nice space, which i don't have using the iso cab alone. Comparing the OX emulations with a real speaker into a good mic Preamp reveals how good the "real deal" sounds. Another good application which works vor me is using the OX for In ear monitor sounds together with real amps in rehearsal situations.
It says in the manual that you have to use both of the line outs… it specifically says that the line outputs do not sum if you only connect one. I think this is the issue ppl are hearing. I know this is an old video but I’m wondering if you found the issue
Hey man whats the best "way" to Record the output? I'm using an 73 Hill Audio Analouge mixer and I usually just go in direct, Can I use the Speaker outs from the OX to plug into my desk? Or Via the Real Mic I have in front of my Amp? Or is it best to set up Spdif/Optical Ins and just Send that to my Guitar Channels? You know what I think I'll try both now that i am thinking out loud...
It connects between the amp output and the speaker. The output of the Ox then goes to your interface. An attenuator, as well as a better way to get into the computer than a mic’d up amp blaring loud.
I'm a UA guy. have been for around 4 years (Aplo 8) & this is the first soundclip/demo I've heard from the OxBox. While it's a nice-looking unit, with some nice features, I think it sounds pretty honky/stuffy ...to my ears, anyway.. But.. Also only the second video I've watched on this channel, am I missing something? I'd kinda feel bad proclaiming a negative if that's the case. Hmm..
Hi, is there a way of switching different guitar heads or do you have to unplug the speaker lead and plugin into another amp head. I would be using it without the amps speaker. Thanks
Hi, I'm interested in the ox box, all the demos are very convincing and everything looks great. I have a question if after the installation everything works well or if there are problems that the computer needs to be fixed again for it to work. This is the only thing that worries me because my big problem is that after they come to install the ox for me, problems will start that I have to deal with. Because I'm really not good at working with a computer, I'm pretty analog. Thank you
Sorry, It doesn't convince me. And I'm still somewhat confused about what this thing does. I might have missed it in the video, are you using an amp and this is a cab and mic sim, or is it a flat-out amp sim. Either way, I still don't think it compares to the real thing (from what I can hear in the headphones on this video). Your examples sounded out of phase too. I will say I am very much a fan of micing real amps so maybe I am biased.
Ox has stereo outs and you can pan each mic independently in the Ox software mixer. So you can record the close and room mic separately if you pan left and right and record to two tracks. Using any of the stereo room mics negates that though if you want true stereo but most times setting the blend and committing to it is good too!
AHEM... maybe you could take a look at two tones Torpedo? twice the usefulness at half the price. Actually less than half and more than two times...just sayin'...
lol at me messing up my own presets. Shout out to anyone who notices it. What are you using on guitars??
2x12 is actually a 1x12 cab?
@AndrewMasters There is a scammer pretending to be you in the comments. He is even using your logo. He commented on my earlier comment.
Love you content man, I use it all the time with clients as well with my victory Vc35 with the "TwoRock" cab.
I’m not crazy for hearing the Ox sound out of phase? I know the ox doesn’t actually sound like that, so probably an export setting or something.
Came to the comments to say this too!
Yeah - not a great demo of the ox. Especially for a paid one.
Yeah I don’t remember it sounding anything like this. Super hollowed and phasey
It sounds to me like we are hearing is his voice as well as the ox being picked up by a single mic in the room. So we are not hearing the direct tone of the ox, but rather it being played back through the studio monitors and picked up off-axis by the mic in the room which might explain the out-of-phase kind of sound as you put it. Does that make sense? I could be completely wrong.
@@tomwaite5127 that’s what I thought when I heard it
You got a weird phase thing going on. Were you milking the amp live and using the OX direct on the same track? I have a couple OX's but I don't track live and use the modeling too unless I adjust the phase alignment.
I have had mine for a few years and I absolutely love it. Especially after the update with the Mesa style cab. Amazing for high gain. If it broke, I’d buy another today. For someone who has a home studio, I think it is essential.
I have a mesa boogie tube head going into the ox box. It is sooo great! The years of me having a half stack blaring by me are over. I would only do something different if I had a separate iso room just for cabs with mics.
Don’t be so hard on yourself. If you play in tune and in rhythm you can make great music with simple playing. And you can throw away anything you don’t like. Thanks for posting.
There's something kind of phasey or scooped and indirect about the tone. I've heard plenty of tracks recorded with an Ox and they sound convincing so is it possible you have something in your recording mis-configured? Maybe collapsing a stereo tone into mono or semi mono? Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to hate on you or video, or the Ox. It's clear you put a huge effort into them and I enjoy your content. I record a lot of mic'd guitar cabs with Royers, Beyers, 421s, 414s, 409s, 57s, and AEA mics - lots of standard stuff. Usually dual mic setups on vintage tube amps and speakers. I have most of the old stuff that gets modeled. These are sounds I know pretty well. I'm in my studio listening on my monitors that I also know well. I generally always point my mics directly at the cone and not at an angle. Anywhere from the dust cover to the edge, perpendicular to the grill cloth. For the sake of reproducing sounds, I try to avoid angles because it's harder to recreate (I can see in the Ox interface there's an angled 421). I've also felt that an angled mic sounds a little weird to me but I can also accept that it might be informed by personal bias. I get that a sound wave coming off a speaker cone a pretty wild event from a fluid dynamics perspective and my opinions might be totally off with regard to how a microphone interacts with a speaker. Sorry for the wall of text. You made a lot of great content this year.
Yeah there’s a good chance something’s up, I was used the audio from the screen recording instead of actually tracking it for this vid. I’ll be using it in many future videos.
@@AndrewMasters That kind of explains what I was hearing. Probably the bitrate for the audio in the screen recorder is not high enough for a "studio quality" audio experience. I can understand the desire to simplify the media capture when producing a video like this. There are no free lunches when making gear videos for an audio focused audience. Have a great new year!
@@AndrewMasters In UAD Console, make sure SR Convert is turned on. This will match the sample rate of the OX to your interface. 44.1 is standard on the OX I believe.
@@trevoroneal that’s very important. OX is 44.1 only, I usually record at 48k so having SR on is a must. Same with my Kemper.
As a guitarist who loves his amps, but lives in an apartment, the OX Box quickly became my favorite ! Yes, definitely shout out to Sweetwater !
I have mine as in insert into my Kahayan amp switcher with 8 amps combos/heads driving real cabs (Marshall 4x12, Mesa 1x12). One button and I can grab a whole new amp/rig for layering. Still mic my cabs as well so I have the flexiblity in mix to choose re-amp (Palmer DI), stereo OxBox or my miked cabs. 200% overkill.
That’s exactly what I want to do
This is the way right here! Then you can blend or pick the real cab ,the ox and mix a real room mic
I use the two notes captor x. It’s so good and a lot cheaper. It has some killer features. I actually don’t ever mic up a speaker. I’m thinking of selling the 4x12. Ps. Grab a Marshall silver jubilee. Either the big version or studio version and you will have great amp for your studio
Ox box is fab and ya of course you can mic up your cab and in fact can do so running amp super hot with low level in room ,
But most of the heavies say simply they get as good or better result direct using mics and cabs in the box … and ya it does change sound for me for the better as I can really run my head far hotter than I could normally in my home studio
Andrew you are a true hero to audio engineering community
You're better at guitar than you think!
Andrew first thank you so much for for so many amazing videos and educational info. I have a question about the color box what do you use it for.
There's something wrong with your setup, the OX should not sound like that (I have one) - not sure what you've done but sounds like significant phase issues!
The comb filtering effect is very apparent here
Awesome! I just got one and haven't even opened the box yet!
I find the magic happens when you take advantage of the stereo capability. Try two line in channels into your interface and play around more with stereo placement. I also use a looper to run a guitar loop and then tweak the settings while the looper is playing the pattern. You instantly hear the difference without having to stop playing and turn knobs and then start again...
Do you put the looper between the ox box & the interface ?
The Ox Box is great. But you have to unhook it from your amp if you're going to record from a mic because the attenuator that's built-in will darken your tone a TON (as in it can turn a bright Marshall dark).
Nothing a little eq couldn’t handle at the desk
@@wcvalentine5996 Absolutely, it really is that easy and effective!
@@wcvalentine5996 *A lot of EQ
That was my experience with it as well. It is an AWFUL attenuator.
Hi, I'm interested in the ox box, all the demos are very convincing and everything looks great. I have a question if after the installation everything works well or if there are problems that the computer needs to be fixed again for it to work. This is the only thing that worries me because my big problem is that after they come to install the ox for me, problems will start that I have to deal with. Because I'm really not good at working with a computer, I'm pretty analog. Thank you
For studio setups it'd be nice to have line level input on the ox
Ya Im a nerd too, I bought this Ox thing, and I love the quality and functionality about it, but I have yet to learn how to tie it all through my Daw and use it for a live rig at home, or even to record. One thing I tried a few days ago, was to use the line outs to drive 2 separate amps, kinda like a wet dry wet, however Im not sure this is a correct way to do this, but it works!
Great video! Great information as always!
Thamks for the video. Which Power conditioner do you recommend for this?
I have 2, I'll probably use them forever.
Hey Andrew! I'm an nyc session guitarist that loves my killer vintage fender Vox Marshall, BUT-apartment studio. You did a drum rec. video that you got killer drum sounds in, so I listen to you cuz you know what great sounds are. I got an m160, the only mic a guitar amp needs, but it's just too damn loud! Lol. You make me want to get the ox. Looking at the iron man, but the ox looks like one-stop shopping. Stick it into the 1073, and that's it, right? Im so tired of messin w guitar sounds w headphones on. You still recommend the ox? Thanks my man...
Dang, I guess I'm adding this to the list.
Have you checked the audio? somethings not right... your room mic in parallel with the OX through the monitors?
It´s super phasey and def. doesn´t sound like the OX.
I only use the OX as load box to tame levels for my iso cab. For recordings I only use the room Mic emulation. This gives me a nice space, which i don't have using the iso cab alone. Comparing the OX emulations with a real speaker into a good mic Preamp reveals how good the "real deal" sounds.
Another good application which works vor me is using the OX for In ear monitor sounds together with real amps in rehearsal situations.
What iso cab are you using?
Grossmann SG
Your choice as far as sound a mic and cab or ox?
It says in the manual that you have to use both of the line outs… it specifically says that the line outputs do not sum if you only connect one. I think this is the issue ppl are hearing. I know this is an old video but I’m wondering if you found the issue
I LOVE my OxBox, but we are all pretty bummed that we have not gotten any kind of an update for the last 3 years!
Hey man whats the best "way" to Record the output? I'm using an 73 Hill Audio Analouge mixer and I usually just go in direct, Can I use the Speaker outs from the OX to plug into my desk? Or Via the Real Mic I have in front of my Amp? Or is it best to set up Spdif/Optical Ins and just Send that to my Guitar Channels? You know what I think I'll try both now that i am thinking out loud...
It’s a cool tool. We’re definitely still in the Uncanny Valley when it’s comes to amp and speaker modelling though.
Happy New Year man! Thank you for your content!
Awesome! What do you use for shooting your vids? Looks amazing
Thanks, canon R5. Switch between the RF 15-35 2.8 L and the Sigma 50 1.4
Can I use it with a Vox Ac15c1x?
It connects between the amp output and the speaker. The output of the Ox then goes to your interface. An attenuator, as well as a better way to get into the computer than a mic’d up amp blaring loud.
I dumped by OX, I think it must be good for Fender style amps. I have a high gain Marshall and the Suhr reactive load is right for me.
Couldn’t get a solid high gain tone with it? I’m having the same problem with my VH4 and the Ox. You like the Suhr RL and an IR loader better?
Love the channel, Andrew! I'm over at East Iris Studios in Berry Hill! Hope we run into each other one day.
I'm a UA guy. have been for around 4 years (Aplo 8) & this is the first soundclip/demo I've heard from the OxBox.
While it's a nice-looking unit, with some nice features, I think it sounds pretty honky/stuffy ...to my ears, anyway.. But..
Also only the second video I've watched on this channel, am I missing something? I'd kinda feel bad proclaiming a negative if that's the case. Hmm..
Hi, is there a way of switching different guitar heads or do you have to unplug the speaker lead and plugin into another amp head. I would be using it without the amps speaker. Thanks
There's one amp input, I use the kahayan amp switcher into my ox. Great workflow.
@@AndrewMasters Great!! Amazing videos btw. Keep them coming :)
Hi, I'm interested in the ox box, all the demos are very convincing and everything looks great. I have a question if after the installation everything works well or if there are problems that the computer needs to be fixed again for it to work. This is the only thing that worries me because my big problem is that after they come to install the ox for me, problems will start that I have to deal with. Because I'm really not good at working with a computer, I'm pretty analog. Thank you
Sorry, It doesn't convince me. And I'm still somewhat confused about what this thing does. I might have missed it in the video, are you using an amp and this is a cab and mic sim, or is it a flat-out amp sim. Either way, I still don't think it compares to the real thing (from what I can hear in the headphones on this video). Your examples sounded out of phase too. I will say I am very much a fan of micing real amps so maybe I am biased.
If only the room mics had a separate line out...
Ox has stereo outs and you can pan each mic independently in the Ox software mixer. So you can record the close and room mic separately if you pan left and right and record to two tracks. Using any of the stereo room mics negates that though if you want true stereo but most times setting the blend and committing to it is good too!
@@whisperthiefmusic Okay. That's a very nice workaround. Thanks for that advice! I don't know why I never thought of that! Thanks
to hear stuff you don't need to jam .. ringing chords .. notes .. works
Great video great view sounds great audio. Playing guitar 👍
Has anybody had trouble with theirs clipping into the interface?
Turn down the line out level
Waza TAE for me😊
The Ox has great speaker modelling but unfortunately you have invested in abondonware.
Second. Does that really matter? 🤔
Yeah. Something about this demo isn’t right. The “stereo” room mics were no where near stereo. Can’t believe this was a paid demo
Great piece of gear but the demo isn’t great. Sounds like you weren’t recording direct.
1st
AHEM... maybe you could take a look at two tones Torpedo? twice the usefulness at half the price. Actually less than half and more than two times...just sayin'...
i hate the sound.. i dont get it
third - existence is meaningless
Too much talking man, get to the point.
The talking is the point
@@AndrewMasters man like almost 5 minutes until you even used it. 🤣
Andrew your awesome Happy New Year
Damn that's pretty cool but the price is like unbelievable