Apple Lost To Epic. Their Response Is Embarrassing.
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2024
- Apple's case against Epic did not go great for them. Sadly, doesn't seem like they plan to change much. Their monopoly over iOS app installations is bad for developers, users, and innovation in software as a whole, and I sincerely hope we see some change.
But sure, let me know my take on the Magic Mouse is bad.
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With their warning message saying that "Apple is not responsible for the privacy or security of purchases", they should not be entitled to anything, since they do not provide service anymore from this point.
And since no way to identify users from the app - all people come from the web ... no way to identify app users :/ :D
It's pure legalese. Apple can't guarantee security and privacy, but they do a much better job than the competition.
This whole Epic v. Apple is about legalese, a power struggle. As Theo pointed out in this video or his other apple video, Apple wants things to stay as they were and this bullshit they are pulling with external payments is what they are doing in an attempt to get things back solely into their own hands.@@bobweiram6321
@@bobweiram6321And they can only do so by applying services that cost money. So how could they have free apps? By making the paid apps pay for them. And that's exactly what politics now has destroyed and everyone warned them about.
@@bobweiram6321 They don't provide either. At least Graphene OS gives the end user full control over telemetry
“Gamers, do better.”
Sure…
Cook: “Here’s an iPhone. You can only have one web engine in it and it’s ours.”
Gaben: “Here’s a Steam Deck. Install windows on it, idgaf.”
Well if someone paid for a device they should be given the freedom to customise it to their liking. Sure you should warn them of the risks and void the warranty if they go beyond the limit but customisation should always be an easy option
@@TheFlippantFox01 Imagine buying something tangible that has a terms and conditions statement on the package lmao. I think they should start putting that on their devices like "You don't really own all of the phone"
Except Windows on the Steam Deck has lackluster drivers with worse performance and stability, such that no reasonable person would ever install windows on it
yes, when you buy a device, you should be able to do wtf you want with it.
Restricting customization of what you own should be actually illegal.
To be fair Steam has the privilege of acting like the good guy when it has a userbase that will rabidly defend it no matter what it does. Valve is a pretty decent company by mega-corporation standards, but the level of cringe "Lord Gaben" worship and defense it gets is rather incongruent. The responses I'll get will be proof enough of that.
Certainly nobody really expected Apple to do anything other than maliciously comply with this court order, right?
This more than a "malicious compliance", looks more like a whiny child, lashing out at his parents cuz he got caught😂.
I guess you prefer the malice of having your data sold.
@@bobweiram6321 what are you on about?😂 I'm just making fun of Apple.
@@bobweiram6321 if you mean, what I think: do you even register what company are we talking about?😂 One company that pretends to care for customers and all that crap but it's basically known for trying to get as much money from their customers as they can, even if it means breaking some laws😂. Do you seriously think they're not going to sell your data as well?😂
@@bobweiram6321 It's possible to hate how Apple operates and hate how Google operates, but be forced to pick the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean somebody endorses one company over the other. It means the realities of the year 2024 means you need a cell phone, and there are only two players in the game to choose between. They both suck, but in different ways.
RE 3:50 "we can't just be ok with valve doing the same":
Valve does not force you to use their payment processor for in-app purchases.
Also they allow you to make cd-keys and distribute them yourself through whatever store, in which case you're gonna pay 0% (!!!) cut, while still enjoying steam services for game delivery and updates
Also devs can release their games on different stores. Good luck doing that with Iphones
Yeah the service offered by EGS isn't even a fraction of that offered by Valve. EGS is marginally better than just hosting your own website to sell your game. I would rather buy a game on Steam than pirate it.
Exactly and no one is forced to use steam to buy games on PC.
exactly, hell, even the fucking valve console you can install other store there
I worked at Apple in Hardware (on a different team from the Magic Mouse) and people who worked with me were also flabbergasted by the charging port on the bottom of the mouse.
I'd honestly love to hear your take on why it's the right move!
Worst mouse idea ever .
a porn guy from the 80s blabbering off webpages for 16 minutes on that? Ill just watch my grow instead
tech should be beautiful to attract buyers. move this disgusting charging port elsewhere or ure fired !
Nah port on the bottom of the mouse is insane and there is nothing you can say that will change my mind on that. At our local Apple shop they had a first party custom ribbon cable that allowed them to charge the Apple mice while they were in use. Seeing that ugle ribbon cable made by Apple was all the evidence I needed that even Apple knew that design was bad.
Also that Johnny Ives is bad at practical design
As someone who's used it for over 5 years, it's not an issue at all. Just leave it plugged in one night every 2-3 months. I have 0 issues with it
I’ll defend it. They don’t want you to ever use it with a wire. They want wires to be one and done. Not something you hassle with. You don’t have to like it, but you kind of have to respect they had a vision for a different kind of mouse and made one.
@@Bliss467how is that a defense? “Here’s a shit design because we want you to use it our way” - lol what
@@Bliss467 Ok, why didn't they do the same with the keyboard? The keyboard has a longer battery life than the mouse, so its cable is even less frequently accessed, and yet it's still easily accessible.
A design can be novel, brave, unique, and still be bad. A mouse that can't be charged and used at the same time in order to hide a port that cannot be seen during normal operation anyway is a bad mouse. It's novel and unique, and a bold choice, but it's still a bad design. By definition, it's a deliberately hostile design to try and make a common and unavoidable action unnecessarily impractical.
"Apple doesnt improve anything" welcome to the world of those living in realirty for the last ten years Theo, glad to have you
I love that it took him this long.
apparently no one knows how to spell in refartity 😂
The Steam comparison is missing the point. If you don't like the 30% cut, you can buy your games elsewhere. In fact, Epic's own store is the perfect example of such a choice. Apple could charge what they liked, if they *allowed* other ways to get software or even content on these devices, and then developers and users could exchange money elsewhere.
The idea that Apple wanted 30% of a monthly Netflix subscription, where Netflix is carrying 100% of the content licensing, astronomical bandwidth etc. Valve only takes their cut of microtransactions if the developer uses their wallet software. They're not forced to, and are not prevented from using another service.
Separately, you can argue that 30% is too much, but otherwise they're not really analogous. (that said I think it seems steep, too)
The issue with Valve isn't that there aren't other options, it's the insane entitlement of gamers lol
@@theorantsThe issue is that there are no other services that provide the same quality of experience, even when others use arguably anticompetitive strategies.
@@theorantsThere are other options, Xbox Game Pass, Epic Store, GOG, Itch, etc. all compete with Steam. The "problem" is (aside from DRM free options) that Steam is just the best platform to buy games on by such a massive margin.
I do think Valve should permit Devs to list games cheaper on other stores (which I believe is currently prohibited, Steam must be at parity), because as a consumer I'm willing to cop the 20% fee that Valve charges above Epic. The multiplayer support, modding support, Linux support, family sharing support, remote play together, etc. etc. is an endless list of features that just don't exist on other stores.
Steam is a monopoly, but not even piracy is a better service, and that's free!
@@theorants Steam actually provides additional services, unlike Epic Games, the App Store, and Google Play. Steam networking service (free multiplayer), friends list, Steam overlay, free store featuring (no pay-to-win for the top spot), a nice UI/UX, and so much more just can't be beat. Their 30% cut is absolutely deserved.
@@jacksonbourne it could be more progressive. For example something like 3 tiers: 0-1000 sales | 10%, 1001-100.000 | 20%, over 100.000 sales 30%.
Theo, "gamers" hate epic because the epic games store sucks when compared to steam. Steam provides a better experience on every level when compared to the epic games store
Linux gamers especially because epic's refusal to enable ProtonEAC while crying about competition but helping Microsoft.
@@sevenredundent7256 what percentage of gamers are linux?
Steam also provides a ton of actual valuable infrastructure to developers, including discoverability which is particularly good. It's to the point that even devs who are low margin/paying the whole 30% because they're new would rather have the discoverability thresholds at low review counts on steam than have you give them 100% of your money on Itch. There are problems with Steam, but "what it actually means to compete with Steam on cuts" and "what kind of offering does Steam provide for 30%" is a very different conversation from the app stores.
@@fatmilf1498 I think with the Steam Deck we're nearing 3-4%, and the other important part is that this is meant to offer an out for if gaming ever needs to untether from Microsoft's ecosystem.
Valve making Linux into a fantastic gaming experience and making polished gaming devices using Linux is not just a threat, but a promise that gaming goes on if MS ever feels like going UWP again.
Also, funnily enough, I think we're above mac users or close at this point. Mac has been downward-trending because it is the worst of gaming on Linux with some rare bright spot exceptions where someone actually tolerate's Apple's shit enough to go basically unrewarded for a native port.
Gamers hate the epic store because they reward exclusivity. I agree it's a worse experience, but that's not the primary reason
I still get annoyed by even the mere mention of the magic mouse having its charging port on the bottom. The amount of times I got my work interrupted by the battery running out and completely losing my trail of thought while plugging it in and then having to work off the touchpad for the next however long...
Sounds like the solution was always in your pocket. Just reach for your wallet and buy a second magic mouse as backup!!!
@@aharte17 I was young and naïve and getting my first macbook and employer asked what peripherals I'd prefer... and I thought the magic mouse would work the best with it, given Apple's reputation for seamless integration within their ecosystem. I was wrong and it was just a bad mouse.
tbf the touch gestures are wonderful, I like them so much, it's the one reason I'm actually a little upset at the magic mouse being so shit otherwise.
bad low res sensor, uncomfortable, no side buttons, weird too-heavy-and-loud click, touch for left vs right click detection bc it's a single button... and then it's the only one that gets the touchpad.
really, the charging port might be the least of my issues (perhaps bc I haven't used it enough but from my patterns it practically wouldn't be an issue) with this mouse's existence. Im low key super frustrated that no other mouse exists that can and does the same touch gestures (most certainly bc apple doesn't let devs access their fancy smooth scrolling and other core UI functions).
Gimme a darn mx master with a touchpad and a less shitty driver please. Ideally no driver/software at all, native compatibility. That'd be fuckin' swell.
If only there existed some kind of wired mouse version that does lose battery power at the most inkonvenient moment...
if you use the magic mouse, there's no sympathy coming your way.
How can people be Apple apologists given all the naked greed and disgusting, developer-hostile actions they take at every opportunity? It's really mind-boggling and makes me lose any respect I might have for someone as soon as I hear them defending Apple. It's like being super into an authoritarian government just because of their stylish uniforms. Absolutely wild.
the epic vs stan take was a complete miss theo.
epic is hated for exclusives and failing to provide features they promised for years.
I also hate epic for expressly choosing not to support Linux
@@rs.matr1x You're putting it lightly. More like expressily going out of their way to not support Linux.
More than that. They're hated for being just like all other AAA gaming companies with their abusive hiring and firing practises. They utilise dark patterns to prey on people and have them fork over more money; they love to exploit gambling tendencies and FOMO. They only recently started allowing third party payments on their own platform (talk about pot calling the kettle black), and they take a 12% cut from sales on their own store, not 3-6%.
Apple isn't good. No companies are good, they're not our friends. Apple isn't anywhere near as bad as Epic though.
Valve takes a cut because they both don't have a hardware warentee enforced monopoly on the platform, there are many big games, Fortnite being a prime example, but league, Minecraft, and Blizzard products are all equally good products that are able to function off the platform. Valve maintains it's hold on the market because it provides The Best experience for both developers and players.
Nobody should have a problem if a company charges for the service that it provides, and people choose to use that service. The problem isn't that apple charges, it's that it has a platform monopoly.
That comparison was pretty braindead. You just saw the number 30 twice and thought it was the same scenario.
You cant even argue that it's just because people like valve more, because we are literally talking about how one business decision is percieved over another.
Exactly.
Valve takes a 30% cut to host an insane amount of user generated content
Apple takes a 30% cut to take your balls hostage
They are not the same
@@qunas101 Apple doesn't host you app?
@@ladislavzima8382 They do, but they also make it so you can only sell your app on their store. Valve makes no attempt whatsoever to prevent the use of competing services, even on the Steam Deck.
@@ladislavzima8382 it does. But compared to steam its nothing. Most of the time, games are biger than apps in size, and if the game have a workshop it can be a lot biger than the game itself.
and user can actually see that valve use the money they got to improve their product and not just pocketing it.
@@ladislavzima8382 I'm talking about mods, screenshots, discussions etc
The difference with steam is they don't take 30% in pratice. Free keys for third-party store distribution can lower that fee too 0% through itch or humble. Also doesnt account for money made through in-game item and trading card sales.
Valve is currently being sued for limiting keys to 3rd party sites, and forbidding developers from selling their games cheaper on competing stores.
@@sophieedel6324 do they actually forbid selling cheaper? Or only sell steam keys cheaper? If only keys, then it makes sense. I think devs jsut don't want to sell cheaper on epic. Me personally -- would prefer to pay 15% more but buy on steam.
I’d be very interested in hearing you defend the engineering decision for the charging port on the bottom of the mouse. I really can’t think of any logical reason for it.
they did it to make the design look better (unfortunately, it still looks like trash though and when you see it on someone's table, you know they are not very good with tech, nor money)
it's a design choice. They could have used a 90 degree usb cable and still make it able to work connected.
Excuse making. There is always a simp
You misunderstood the Steam x Epic situation Theo.
Imagine having a game store without the basic feature of User Reviews... Why would anyone willingly use the Epic Games store when it's absolutely inferior? And I'm not even talking about all the other surrounding Steam features that Epic can only dream of providing one day, specially for markets outside the US where their options for regional payment methods is more limited.
I don't think gamers have an issue with Epic giving devs a better cut, their issue is with them doing timed exclusives that keep game off of steam.
Valve would almost certainly not be profitable if they took a 12% cut, they spend a large amount of money on tools that directly support the community (and ultimately, themselves). Epic is no different, they are bleeding money via EGS and gaslighting people into believing that a cut like that is reasonable in a feeble attempt to garner support. Both Valve and Epic do far more than merely facilitating sales.
The most egregious thing about Steams model is that they take 20% after 50 million.
Nah, I'm pretty sure they'd do just fine with a 12% cut. But it's hard to go beyond a gut feeling since Valve is a private company
@@azmah1999 I am doubtful as the Epic Games Store is not profitable whilst taking 12%. The storefront is supported by Fortnite and Unreal Engine. Speculating of course, but if Valve were to take 12% whilst still providing all the support they do to both Steam users and Developers they would basically be entirely reliant on CS:GO keys and we both know how foolish that would be.
@@azmah1999 For some reason my other reply is missing? Anyway the long and short of my argument is that Epic Games Store is not profitable at 12% whilst being as barebones as possible. It only exists because of Fortnite and Unreal Engine.
My understanding on why EGS is not making a profit has more to do with the exorbitant spending on exclusivity deals and overall low conversion rate. I know me and my friends only go to EGS to claim free games but never actually buy many games there.
If they could actually get a decent conversion rate they wouldn't need to spend so much money coaxing people with timed exclusives, as people would buy games there anyway.
I think the main reason is more just market momentum and the inconvenience some gamers express about splitting their library between services. And also the app experience is more bare bones.
@@azmah1999 Probably. But in order for that to happen you need another company to offer the same quality of service as Valve's with a lower cut... Its just a question of service not price.
For instance, today I tend to buy games from GOG rather than Steam or Epic just because they offer me a service that for me both Valve and Epic do not. Even if the game itself cost more.
Ps. Having a half-baked store that my cousin can write on the weekend doesnt count as good service.
I just can not imagine how the port at the bottom of the mouse got approved. How no one on the design team thought it might cause huge usability problems. If the mouse had something like wireless charging (not sure if it does) and the option to use the cable it would at least kinda make sense.
it's pretty simple, they don't want you using the mouse while charging, probably because whipping it around would damage the port or cable, so they just put it on the bottom and a 5 minute charge lasts a long time
Not valid enough.
It's supposed to cause usability problems so you buy 2 mice.
@@RycoonGalloy So it's a defense against stupidity.
Because Apple puts form over function on every product. Its that simple. It doesnt need to work well, it needs to be pretty.
I understand your argument that "gamers should support alternatives that take smaller cuts", but I will never agree because Valve actually invests back that money into the gaming scene. Look at all the work they're doing with Proton, Wine, HDR on linux, the steam client as a whole is a joy to use. Epic? Buying games exclusivity rights? I will never support such a company. Tim is acting like an "ethical businessman" when he's using the most hostile marketing strategies
All the things you mentioned here were done in the last few years, and all were done to directly benefit Valve through the Steam Box and Steam Deck.
I agree Valve's doing a better job contributing than they used to, but it still does not justify the highway robbery tier cut that they take
I disagree, they have a monopoly position with market share for pc games and devs don't really have a choice if they want people to play their games. A lot of steam users are literally like "if it's not on steam i won't play it" even with steam's ui being godawful as it is... people are just lazy. 30% is just excessive no matter how you cut it and there's no world in which valve is providing that much value to the devs, they were just first.
like "hdr on linux" who gives a fuck? steam's own stats show Linux is still barely relevant, and most people don't even know true hdr. if you said steam should take 30% on the steam deck you might have an argument as that's a good product and they're creating a market there, but for pc gaming... no
I still think most gamers don't understand this, but when you buy a game I would HOPE that you're aiming to support the game dev, not the store front. When people actively advocate against Epic, you're at the same time advocating for giving devs less revenue. As a dev, if you buy my game on Epic, I get 18% more from that sale while you spend the exact same amount out of your own pocket. But you'd rather give Valve 30% and less money to the dev, just so you can avoid giving that 12% to Epic.
@@marvnchI give a fuck about Linux.
Make a vid about the mouse charger pls. Just want to hear your take.
Nobody understands the cut steam takes man. As the number of sales increases, steam takes less and less of a cut. You could argue this is the inverse of what it should be, but it is not a flat 30% fee. You should do more research before you spit out steam as an example of a bad store cut, and then chastise gamers.
One reason valve gets a pass is because they use their money actually take extremely good care of their customers. This is something Apple and Epic never do.
I woudnt go that far as say "extremely good care" but your point is valid nonetheless.
Do the mouse, Theo! 😂
he defends stupid things for the clicks this guy. that mouse is worse than hiroshima and nagasaki combined
Shit like this is why I'll never consider buying apple products ever.
The fact that its already too expensive for my budget is just an add on
yeah, because EGS is literally fucking spyware dude... cmon... EA/Origin, Ubisoft/Uplay and all the others haven't held a fucking candle to Steam's UX ... i get 500+ Mbps downloads, chat, voice chat, groups, practically all of Discords core functionality is built into Steam, even live game streaming... this is the price that gamers and devs pay to have this gaben-haven on the internet...
if only youtube and discord (and 50 other huge desperate companies) could have such a strong product and market fit...
There was a podcast called Gamecraft that went over the history of gaming, and one of the episodes was about publishers. That episode they talked about where the 30% came from. It’s basically a historical artifact from how publishers and developers used to do splits on game sales. It used to be 70/30 to the publisher! Kinda like record deals/advances. Anyways, good historical context for those who are interested.
From what I saw in the video, this new External Link API is also only available in the US right? Seems pretty important
I want that apple mouse video just to see what arguments you have in favor of that monstrosity
3:55 at least Valve uses the money to improve GNU, Wine (Proton) and make repair-friendly Steam Decks, while Apple does... Apple stuff.
Plus a buckload of services like In-Home Streaming, SteamVR, controller support for any game, family share, Big Picture...
and all of that technology is open source, what apple produce of open source?, hell you need a fucking mac to program for iphone
@@vilian9185 To be fair, they do make some free programs, eg. LLVM and CUPS, some parts of macOS (Darwin) are free too, but the whole collection is heavily tainted by nonfree stuff. Also, Steam uses DRM and its client is nonfree.
The smartest thing would be to never be a fanboy of anything
This. Companies are businesses. You're either a client, an employee or unrelated. Not a friend, not family.
The reason there are boycotts on Epic Games Store are their abhorrent exclusivity deals.
We shit on Epic Game Store because it's shit and we will not support "a store the pays the devs better" if it's a shitty store
I was amazed how they look at it one sidedly, after so much time epic game store is still crap compared to steam and gog
Plus the company decisions itself are shitty
Banking apps do nothing until you log in with an account that you made at the bank. The banks charge reoccurring account fees.
Thanks awfully similar to DHH and his service.
I've heard that mouse that the magic mouse has some great features and is one of the best mice on apple (maybe because they did a good job, maybe because they criminally don't allow third party mice to use some API features), but one thing that no one can defend is the charge port on the bottom.
I have a Logitech that charges fully in like 1 hour and lasts for weeks, but i still love that i can use it while its charging, and i can even choose to use it wired only instead of using BT
I'm waiting for the point when Apple wants 30% from every of your bank transfer you do on an iPhone.
The most embarrassing time in history for this phone company, is when they created an iphone that didn’t connect calls properly and people had to buy something to stick around the outside of the phone to get it to work, and people actually did that!
I am really done with apple. I can't believe how a company can rip people off - and people even defense it
the reason everyone shits on epic is because its objectivley worse to use not because of the cut, steam is nicer to use
Thank you for the nuanced but candid take on this. Apple's policies here are an absolutely egregious abuse of their market position and in any sane reading of antitrust law that's already on the books, illegal, even in the US...
4:02 unfair comparison from Theo tbh. You might argue that 30% cut from steam is too much but the sheer amount of features they provide just make it worth for both the customer and the devs.
It's easy for Epic to charge you half when their interface is not better than a shopify frontend plugged to a download server.
They don't/did not have:
- cloud save
- "local co op online"
- remote play from your steamdeck or any device with a screen
- sane recommendation/search engine
- family sharing
- community mod store
and the list goes on...
The worst thing is that their taking the only thing consumers would actually use, the ability to handle all subscription and inapp purchased in apple and taking it away while still having information on what the user bought because of the audits
The difference between Steam and Apple is that Steam isn't the only place to buy PC games
can you provide a promo code after puchase on the web, and then prompt the user to enter that promo code in the app to avoid logging in on the web? or is it somehow against apple?
Im going to need to see the justification for the port at the bottom of the mouse.
make the vid about the mouse. You're the only one i've ever see who isn't calling it bad design so i'm interested in finding out why
Full video of Epic vs. Apple history please!!!
can a developer just inform the user of a link, not make it clickable, maybe only copyable, and ask them to go to the web browser and paste it themselves without using the entitlement? I feel like that falls under the 'call to action'.
If I could click the apple button to pay vs do that... I'd just click the apple button. Doing this won't help them.
@@AniketBhatP not even for a nice discount?
@@AniketBhatP I mean you're free to pay the 30% tax I guess
I think the biggest problem is that Apple still gatekeeps the store. Even if you could technically do that or any other "workaround" like Epic did when they added their third party payment system Apple would just not approve your app in their store.
yes i absolutely need "in defense of the port under the magic mouse"
This is the real reason YT / Spotify / Netflix are skipping Apple's VR but shipping to Meta's VR.
Interested to hear about the pov on the mouse! ALso, great commentary, easy to follow and you give your take on things, which makes sense.
Bashing ppl for not using an app store that doesn't work on Linux is pretty tone-deaf
I need to know about the mouse charger port pls thx
*The cult of Apple--has given their control over to Apple.*
This is why court rulings only matter if you're a small company. For the megacorps, malicious compliance is the name of the game. If we actually want change, developers are going to have to force Apple to be competitive by discounting store items on other app stores or on their own online store.
The problem with Epic's 12% cut on the Epic Games Store (EGS) versus 30% on Steam is that the EGS offers less perceived value to the consumer. In my opinion, it comes down to the features and the level of polish of the EGS compared to Steam. While EGS has made some improvements in recent years, it still feels like a rushed, unfinished product compared to Steam. It lacks many of the features that gamers have come to expect from a mature digital storefront, such as a robust community and support systems(such as forums), a user-friendly interface, and a wide range of supported platforms, not even mentioning Valve's proton efforts for Linux.
While Epic may have attracted developers with its competitive revenue share, it has not been well received by gamers. This is understandable, as the EGS offers little in the way of additional features or benefits that would make it a more attractive platform for consumers, not just developers. Generally it feels like Epic didn't care much about its users experience, or they believe the developers are the only users they need to care about. So for me it's not surprising that gamers prefer Steam.
If you put a plus there that Epic seems to care less about the community itself or at least misunderstand them. While Valve actively tries to reach their community.
I think that any third party can easily undercut Valve if they just focus on giving their customer a good experience.
@@arturpaivads Valve not very actively talks with its community, haha. TF2 bots problem is ~5 years now and they still done practically nothing about it. CS2 released very raw and unpolished, while CS:GO was removed. It also has a huge cheaters problem ongoing for a few months or years (depending how you count)
@@epicmap I'm saying in the storefront. I'm not saying that Valve is saint here. But they are heavily investing in their customer, not necessarily in their gamers. It may be for their own benefit? Almost certainly but its better than a company that basically says "fuck you" to your customer...
As an former TF2 player I'm sad to the state of the game, also with other questionable recent attitudes that Valve is doing.
My point is that they could pretty much shove their customers away and just keep selling games, and in that situation I could see EGS being far more relevant.
I don't think Valve wants to be a game dev anymore, they keep CS just because its a money machine like Fortnite is for Epic... TF2 is basically dead... You see their efforts in other things like VR, handhelds, hell, Linux drivers, but games? Well...
when I see an image of that magic mouse charging port I think "sure hope that designer never gets to design an electric car"
Just a note on why gamers give Steam a free pass: It's because Epic Games Store is barren of features and objectively a worse platform. There's no workshop, no community pages, no social features, no market, nothing... It's great that they take a lower fee, but if the experience for the end user is worse, of course they will fight back!
If buying is not owning, then pirating is not stealing.
This reminds me of the Apple repair program that they rolled out to repair shops. You could on do the repairs that Apple says, you had to charge the amount Apple said, You had to arrange your store the way Apple said, and you had to give your financial records to Apple, and could be audited any time.
Hey Theo, I think is the most interesting video of yours I have watched.
Definitely make more videos like this. I’d love to see a playlist of all the business themed videos you have made.
"I can defend the mouse" -Theo
a company taxing an other company/small business is crazyyy. actually, i dont think valve takes 30% of in app purchases, but apple does.
One thing that everyone forgets is that you also are required to pay a $100+ fee for a developer liscence. An additional fee that NO OTHER MAINSTREAM app store has. This is why I am disgusted by Apple's 30% charge. They can already easily support their app store off of the dev fee alone. The 30% is pure greed.
Doesn't matter how many billions of people have iphones, can't sustain it for long if Apple keeps this up and 3rd parties just decide it's not worth their time to support the platform(which honestly hope happens).
That's why side loading is so important and alternative app stores.
Also this is not surprising given apples fight against right to repear
Honestly we need to gain back the separation between hardware and software. You should be able to install whatever you want on your hardware.
The only platform left where this is still possible sadly is the PC...
@@arturpaivadsarguably, on some android devices you could install third-party roms. Some of them are even good.
YES we do need a video about that mouse because it was goofy as hell
If Apple cared about their customers they wouldn't have the charging port on the bottom of the mouse, they would be for the right to repair and they wouldn't be in the ridiculous battle with Epic.
We really need a video about the mouse!!!
Please do a video about the port of the bottom of the mouse
They are so evil it's scary
If Theo can be convinced that port at the bottom is good i swear i'll stop making fun of Flat hearthers convinced that we are controlled by replicant lizard.
So Apple are simply obeying the letter of the law, and not the spirit of the law.
Yeah, they raped the spirit of the law.
It is only a matter of time until the Louis Rossman viewers discover you.
I think this what they call "Malicious compliance". It's so bad that basically nobody will use it.
This is basically why I'm largely in support of EU legislation to address these things. Wouldn't it be nice if you didn't need some gaming company to sue Apple for anything to change?
Although in this case anything legislated in the EU won't affect the US at all.
what web browser is this? looks like safari but also a bit diffferent
how in the world could you defend the charging port on the bottom of the mouse?
I suspect he’ll say that you use it once every 6-10months, for about an hour, and get warned well im advance, making it a total non-issue.
I’d be interested in a deeper dive into Apple vs epic
Valve provides a LOT of value in return for their 30% cut, and on top of that, they will let you sell keys for your game on other sites while taking a 0% cut from those sales, which is pretty massive.
People shit on Epic because, while they are developer friendly, they put basically no money into making EGS a better option for gamers, and then instead spend their money to lock games behind their storefront that nobody wants to use.
Meanwhile, Microsoft and Sony are out here charging 30%, and Tim seems to be fine with that for some reason.
Also we should rant about steam as well next. Only if they don’t allow third party payment processor
Would like to see full Apple vs Epic video
I remember first being exposed to Apple Macs in like 1996 or something. I immediately hated them. My next interaction with an Apple product was one of the original iPods. Which kept giving me electric shocks. I honestly don't think I've touched an Apple product since, thank god.
I definitely wanna see what you've got to say about that port at the bottom of the mouse
Would love full thorough video on the case! ❤
Pay Devs better...
If only Epic used their Money to actually Improve the EGS rather then Secure "Exclusives"
the best thing for the devs to do is charge the players (for the games) this would dissuade people from wanting iphones.
I'll watch your coverage of this case but if you do, you gotta defend the mouse. A mouse I can't use while charging is honestly something I would never ever use willingly
Next:
Apple should be forced by the EU to open up its interface between devices!
This so people can connect a samsung to an apple watch and get all functionality available!
would be awesome to have a full video on epic vs apple!
Mouse port bid please
I very much need to hear the argument defending the bottom-of-the-mouse port, have literally never heard that viewpoint expressed lol
I could care less for what Epic cuts their dev until the day they do half what valve does for their community...
14:06 - "Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers has ruled that Epic Games owes Apple $73,404,326." Now we know which judge took appples bribe, cause how do you get sued for doing the wrong thing....get proven you broke the law, and then expect the other party that bought you to justice to PAY YOUR LEGAL FEE's.
Wasn’t the whole point of sideloading to get away from all these hurdles?
Charging ports on the bottom of a mouse is as indefensible as the loss of tactile mobile keyboards.
Yeah....apple is not looking nice here, they're looking like major as*holes. Imagine if most app developers decide they don't want to put up with it and Apple is left with mostly just the big apps, and apple's own, wonder how much that would hurt them, if their app store just halved
New idea to be maliciously compliant for selling “digital” goods. Instead of selling whatever digital goods for your app/game just sell stickers that happen to come with a digital “perk”. This could potentially get you around the digital goods tax.
So, uh... does the Epic game store have a shopping cart yet?
What happens if you become fully a webapp based service provider? Users use a web browser to use your service, does Apple still charge the fees? No right? It might be time for the rise of WPA?
You can't even create iPhone apps without an apple computer.