i have the same converter and its just crazy the definition and silk feeling that gives me i always engage the converter at the final master it does wonders im also fortunate enough to work with the bax eq and i cant see myself mastering without it anymore
Thanks for this review! I’m just looking for a new master grade interface. I got an aurora n demo unit here which is amazing. But I always had my eyes on the AD+ since I’m very happy with my Bus+ What are you’re things about this unit after 2 years?
I’m considering getting an Aurora n for my interface and then using the Dangerous Convert AD+ as my AD (currently just have an Apollo twin) What interface are you currently using and how has the Aurora been different?
Wow man, great job on the video. Very in depth and and intelligently put together. I was the dude you spoke to at NAMM. Keep making informational videos like this and your success on UA-cam will be huge, and hopefully feed more clients into your mastering business as well.
I have the fusion and bus + as well and am currently in the market for a great mastering converter. I’m leaning more towards the Burl though. That seems to make the low end even bigger.
Damn that sounds way better than Standard Clip for this song. It would be cool to hear a clipper plugin shootout with the AD+. Fire the Clip, Flatline, and Newfangled Saturate are some of my favorite ones.
The way clippers work in the box is pretty well documented and understood; I'd love to learn more about how the circuits of a A-D Converter manage overs; namely; when the signal exceeds the voltage of the series of comparators how chips are designed to manage them;
AD+...forget it. Fills the space across the board that was lacking in the ITB example. It's as if the space in my cans around my ears got instantly bigger without any harsh loudness or anything like that. I like that ITB is trying to do like a narrow punch thing, but when you switch back to the AD+ it sounds like Goliath has entered the room.
Super cool video, not sure why I'm just seeing this! Would be really curious if you could do a video on the technical differences between clipping a converter like this and using a plugin clipper! Supposedly it's totally different and a magic thing that plugins can't capture, and no information seems to be available about why that is! Is it the curve that get softened as the signal reaches 0db, is it different harmonics that are created... there should be some kind of measurable difference if so, but again, no information I've seen anywhere answers the question! :)
It's a fully passive unit; which is GREAT; I really like the fact end to end; it's not passing through any stages which introduce any forms of changes in the fidelity of the signal; I only have one qualm with it; is that the trim for the output sources and the main volume are all potentiometers; I'd much prefer switches which are more accurate; I've tweaked the trim pots using a dedicated SPL mic/meter; but still; i'd prefer switches;
Thank you for this video, can you please share the way you have the Convert AD+ connected to your Orion. I mostly have an issue setting up tge Orion app.
It's connected via ADAT to the Orion; The Orion's app is horrible on new operating systems; it keeps crashing; so what I had to do was work VERY fast to drag/drop the IO's on the routing matrix to connect it all...
@@panorama_mastering thank you very much. I will email you, because i see aome good stuff in your website. Can’t wait to learn. By the way do you live sessions?
Really nice comparison. I need to start doing some of these tests myself I think. In the future could you add a level matched unprocessed one to your comparison as well? You mentioned that the AD+ seemed closer to the source so it would have been nice to hear that.
Great vid. I'm looking at getting a used finalizer to replace the standard clip plugin. From memory is the tc finalizer better than the standard clip? Thanks 🤘
That's an incredible tool the finalizer; I need to order a new lithium battery and do a repair swapping it over in my unit which broke down on me; It's not better than standard clip; just a different beast!
I think for a fair comparison you would need to put a very low HPF on the channel with the plug-in clipper to mock up the analog one that you showed in plug-in doctor
Can you tell what causes standard clip or any other digital clipper to choke out the low end? Or what can we do in order to maintain that low end ITB in maximum possible way
Usually for me it's everything I do ahead of the clipper which allows me to manage the way it interacts with the sound; but it's never one specific thing which fits for ALL songs; it's usually a variation of different techniques paired together based on the material at hand;
@@panorama_mastering if we just clipping the peaks and transients, why digital clippers also chokes the low end, isn’t low end part of sustain sounds? Why in analog this does not happen I’m asking you because you are one the bestest teachers here🤩
I like both of them; What I can objectively point to is that function wise the TC was easier to gain stage in (1dB steps) Subjectively (because I can’t run tests on the TC it needs repairs) is the AD+ has a better low end extension.
@@panorama_mastering Thank you for your answer! It will be awesome if you can compare them after repair. P.S. Usually these TC Finalizer units have faults in power supply.
Wow thank you for that! Clipping wise, do you feel it's something you couldn't get ITB? Imo standard clip has a very different characteristics, so if you compare it to other digital clippers ( like LIFT in clipper mode 3, that tries to emulate analog clipping or other you like.. ) do you find the ad+ superior to those?
Here's the thing; in practice I find it superior; YES! I'd approximate it's a 1-2% difference in the scope of the WHOLE CHAIN; because there are instances now where I'm using ITB clippers for certain material where I don't want to use the analog chain and it's just as suitable!
@@panorama_mastering Thank you greatly for the response, That's eye opening and very helpful! How about the clipper of your old TC finalizer? How do you find it compared to ITB and the AD+ pls ? BTW I'm taking your online course now (:
Great video!! QQ. Could I go out from one of the two inputs of the AD+ to Input 3-4 of my main interface only to listen the AD+ converter and (X-former)??? Thanks in advanced!!
@@panorama_mastering Thank you!! I have the Ad+ connected via SPDIF and BNC to the interface! I just need go out of the ad+ with the 2 - XLR cable and use two inputs of the interface. Thanks again !
@@xavi7695 You can't / wouldn't want to go OUT with XLR; XLR is analog; that requires a DA process; you want to go out digitally into your main interface;
Any mastering or mixing project I've invoiced for; a single master, an album master, a single mix, and album mix, ep's etc. I keep count via my inv numbers in my accounting package;
The clip guard is a way of tricking the DAW from registering overs via the 0 and 1 data it communicates with the computer; however to my best understanding it's not actively changing any of the the audible path; they even state it doesn't prevent over distorting/driving the signal; I always have a limiter after anyway so I can control my ceiling point ahead of the final print
@Vic LTD Each to their own; I can't say I've never been the same; sometimes I click on a video and just want to GET TO THE JUICE OF IT; but that's not my style of video making; I respect them just wanting to get to the A/B
Excellent! Thank you for making the time to share your experience with the world.
My pleasure! Thanks for creating a great product!
i have the same converter and its just crazy the definition and silk feeling that gives me i always engage the converter at the final master it does wonders
im also fortunate enough to work with the bax eq and i cant see myself mastering without it anymore
Thanks for this review!
I’m just looking for a new master grade interface.
I got an aurora n demo unit here which is amazing.
But I always had my eyes on the AD+ since I’m very happy with my Bus+
What are you’re things about this unit after 2 years?
I’m considering getting an Aurora n for my interface and then using the Dangerous Convert AD+ as my AD (currently just have an Apollo twin)
What interface are you currently using and how has the Aurora been different?
Amazing video mate. I've had the same unit for a few months now and am grateful for this very educational approach. Cheers
Glad it helped! It's a great bit of kit!
Wow man, great job on the video. Very in depth and and intelligently put together. I was the dude you spoke to at NAMM. Keep making informational videos like this and your success on UA-cam will be huge, and hopefully feed more clients into your mastering business as well.
Thanks mate; very much appreciate your time and effort; also I've subbed to your channel; excited to follow your next story on the road!
@@panorama_mastering 👏 Thanks man. Let me know if you ever want to chat UA-cam strategies/analytics. You seem to be on the right track though!
Hey mate ! will keep that in mind; thanks!
Very Nice. The Dangerous clipping low end = Chef's kiss.
Bang on!
Can you do a aliasing signal sweep test of clipping the converter please. I’d like to see those results
Nice to hear what you think about AD+. I use it and a RND MBC, think both are good.
Excited for this to go live on Tuesday!!
which one has a better tighter low end and low mid?
I have Fusion and Buss+ feeding my AD+. Things get wicked together 😎
Spot on!
I have the fusion and bus + as well and am currently in the market for a great mastering converter. I’m leaning more towards the Burl though. That seems to make the low end even bigger.
@@humanitygone3958 I have an ADC also. It sound great. I am track it with it now because I added Neve 5057 to my rig.
@@humanitygone3958 I have both. Burl is great also
Damn that sounds way better than Standard Clip for this song. It would be cool to hear a clipper plugin shootout with the AD+. Fire the Clip, Flatline, and Newfangled Saturate are some of my favorite ones.
The way clippers work in the box is pretty well documented and understood; I'd love to learn more about how the circuits of a A-D Converter manage overs; namely; when the signal exceeds the voltage of the series of comparators how chips are designed to manage them;
Excellent video, the calibration between the antelope orion 32 and the dangerous convert ad+ is at -18? thank you
AD+...forget it. Fills the space across the board that was lacking in the ITB example. It's as if the space in my cans around my ears got instantly bigger without any harsh loudness or anything like that. I like that ITB is trying to do like a narrow punch thing, but when you switch back to the AD+ it sounds like Goliath has entered the room.
Super cool video, not sure why I'm just seeing this!
Would be really curious if you could do a video on the technical differences between clipping a converter like this and using a plugin clipper! Supposedly it's totally different and a magic thing that plugins can't capture, and no information seems to be available about why that is! Is it the curve that get softened as the signal reaches 0db, is it different harmonics that are created... there should be some kind of measurable difference if so, but again, no information I've seen anywhere answers the question! :)
Dangerous AD+ is also in my analog chain. Harmonics are beautiful.
Yeap! Love that transformer!
The unit underneath you high-end AD+ convertors seems to be a weird choice to me. Are you happy with your presonus monitors station?
It's a fully passive unit; which is GREAT; I really like the fact end to end; it's not passing through any stages which introduce any forms of changes in the fidelity of the signal;
I only have one qualm with it; is that the trim for the output sources and the main volume are all potentiometers; I'd much prefer switches which are more accurate;
I've tweaked the trim pots using a dedicated SPL mic/meter; but still; i'd prefer switches;
Thank you for this video, can you please share the way you have the Convert AD+ connected to your Orion. I mostly have an issue setting up tge Orion app.
It's connected via ADAT to the Orion;
The Orion's app is horrible on new operating systems; it keeps crashing; so what I had to do was work VERY fast to drag/drop the IO's on the routing matrix to connect it all...
@@panorama_mastering thank you very much. I will email you, because i see aome good stuff in your website. Can’t wait to learn. By the way do you live sessions?
No worries my pleasure; live sessions as in; recording live bands, or live streams?
Really nice comparison. I need to start doing some of these tests myself I think. In the future could you add a level matched unprocessed one to your comparison as well? You mentioned that the AD+ seemed closer to the source so it would have been nice to hear that.
Thanks for watching and Great suggestion! Will definitely do so!
7 months later, are you still using the AD+
No I'm not; but good things are in the works!
@@panorama_mastering word. What are you moving to? I had this, merging, and amari on my list. And dad, but cant get a hand on a demo in over a year
Great vid. I'm looking at getting a used finalizer to replace the standard clip plugin. From memory is the tc finalizer better than the standard clip? Thanks 🤘
That's an incredible tool the finalizer; I need to order a new lithium battery and do a repair swapping it over in my unit which broke down on me;
It's not better than standard clip; just a different beast!
@@panorama_mastering great thanks for letting me know. Any chanve you could do a shootout between the 3 clippers? That would be sick
@@timperry2375 After I repair mine; of course!
@@panorama_mastering absolute legend, that'll be a good vid
I think for a fair comparison you would need to put a very low HPF on the channel with the plug-in clipper to mock up the analog one that you showed in plug-in doctor
Yeap; that HPF is at 10hz (I think) Fair enough!
Can you tell what causes standard clip or any other digital clipper to choke out the low end? Or what can we do in order to maintain that low end ITB in maximum possible way
Usually for me it's everything I do ahead of the clipper which allows me to manage the way it interacts with the sound; but it's never one specific thing which fits for ALL songs; it's usually a variation of different techniques paired together based on the material at hand;
@@panorama_mastering if we just clipping the peaks and transients, why digital clippers also chokes the low end, isn’t low end part of sustain sounds? Why in analog this does not happen
I’m asking you because you are one the bestest teachers here🤩
Enjoyed the vid! Do you think this is a good unit to capture vocals as well?
Yes; but maybe an overkill; an interface with decent preamps and phantom power would be best!
I really enjoy the video and the vibe of the track sounded great.Thanks!! Can you do a video showing how you set it up your dangerous converter?
Set-up as in plug it in and route it all?
@@panorama_mastering Yes, please😁 Thanks you for following on my request. You rock man!
Big difference versus ITB clipper! Kick was totally lost with Standard Clip🙈 What can you say about AD clipping difference versus TC?
I like both of them; What I can objectively point to is that function wise the TC was easier to gain stage in (1dB steps)
Subjectively (because I can’t run tests on the TC it needs repairs) is the AD+ has a better low end extension.
@@panorama_mastering Thank you for your answer! It will be awesome if you can compare them after repair. P.S. Usually these TC Finalizer units have faults in power supply.
So what level do you go in to the AD+ before you use the calibration for clipping?
I gain up to -1 to 0 dBFS on the -18 setting then I have enough room to clip it either 2dB or 4dB above!
Wow thank you for that! Clipping wise, do you feel it's something you couldn't get ITB? Imo standard clip has a very different characteristics, so if you compare it to other digital clippers ( like LIFT in clipper mode 3, that tries to emulate analog clipping or other you like.. ) do you find the ad+ superior to those?
Here's the thing; in practice I find it superior; YES!
I'd approximate it's a 1-2% difference in the scope of the WHOLE CHAIN; because there are instances now where I'm using ITB clippers for certain material where I don't want to use the analog chain and it's just as suitable!
@@panorama_mastering Thank you greatly for the response, That's eye opening and very helpful!
How about the clipper of your old TC finalizer? How do you find it compared to ITB and the AD+ pls ?
BTW I'm taking your online course now (:
How do you have it hooked up?
Check out time marker 3:23 :) I have two diagrams listed there for how I've got both inputs hooked up;
Warmly,
N.
Question……Are you doing this on your mix or masters? And then are you doing any ITB processing after you get back in?
Excellent choice!
Thanks! Good minds think alike?
Great video!! QQ. Could I go out from one of the two inputs of the AD+ to Input 3-4 of my main interface only to listen the AD+ converter and (X-former)???
Thanks in advanced!!
Yes you can as long as your interface has an Adat IN; and you clock the two together :)
@@panorama_mastering Thank you!! I have the Ad+ connected via SPDIF and BNC to the interface! I just need go out of the ad+ with the 2 - XLR cable and use two inputs of the interface. Thanks again !
@@xavi7695 You can't / wouldn't want to go OUT with XLR; XLR is analog; that requires a DA process; you want to go out digitally into your main interface;
@@panorama_mastering Got ittt!! Thank you!!
I wish there were an overhead camera so that we could see what you are pressing.
3000 projects since 2012? What do you consider a project?
Any mastering or mixing project I've invoiced for; a single master, an album master, a single mix, and album mix, ep's etc. I keep count via my inv numbers in my accounting package;
@@panorama_mastering that's impressive
Great review
thanks mate!
I thought people used the clip guard when clipping this converter?
The clip guard is a way of tricking the DAW from registering overs via the 0 and 1 data it communicates with the computer; however to my best understanding it's not actively changing any of the the audible path; they even state it doesn't prevent over distorting/driving the signal; I always have a limiter after anyway so I can control my ceiling point ahead of the final print
@@panorama_mastering 💯 You tha man
TO ME THE CONVERTER CLIPPED A MORE TRUE TO THE SOURCE THE PLUGIN IS BRIGHTER THOUGH
It's definitely an interesting beast.
thanks for metering a lot of the other video fall short
Hello. I can send you a demo to cut a clip with Dangerous music converter
I love mine!!!
Me too!
Ohh my god you r talking continuously
Please do show the sound
05:59 - Enjoy ;)
@Vic LTD Each to their own; I can't say I've never been the same; sometimes I click on a video and just want to GET TO THE JUICE OF IT; but that's not my style of video making; I respect them just wanting to get to the A/B
@Vic LTD All good :)