FACES OF THE EMPEROR! WHY DO THE PRIMARCHS SEE HIM DIFFERENTLY?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Hi all Rho here! Today we ask the question why do the Primarchs see the Emperor of Mankind differently from each other? Is it down to him, or them?
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I like the two panel comic where a Custodes asks what Emps looks like to a Sister of Silence, and she turns and looks at a tired looking man in a golden bathrobe holding a cup of coffee and a pillow.
Haha, link?
Need to see this!
Lol
Link pls
I think I saw it on Know Your Meme, but I haven't been able to find it again. I'm going to keep digging, though.
I'd say he probably looks like what is described in Master of Mankind when he finally enters the Webway to fight Drach'nyen.
"His features were those of one born in the wild lands of Ancient Eurasia. His skin was a Terran blend of bronze and burnt umber, His eyes darker still, His hair darkest of all. The long black fall of His hair was held by a simple circlet crown of metal leaves, binding the mane back from His face so He could fight. More practical than regal."
Not to boast but I kind of look like that lol 😂.
There is no other way he could be in reality given his origin. And him not being the classical white dude is the best thing about it.
@@NueThunderKing The Indo-Europeans (classical white dudes) come from the eurasian steppe. Sorry to burst your little anti-white bubble, but the Emperor was not mongoloid or semitic whatever other nonsense you're cooking up.
@@NueThunderKing
" And him not being the classical white dude"
you do know that cities like Jerusalem did originate as indo european settlements ( in that case hurrian) and it did go all the way to west china ,north india and europe
classical white dude have been around bro
@@NueThunderKing right, we don’t need anymore blonde hair blue eyed main characters
Traitor Primarchs: "He used us in his selfish quest for godhood!"
The Custodes and sisters of silence: "Godhood? Thats a dude, guy."
Last time I was this early Magnus still had an intact spine
Trololololol. We did that XD
I haven’t been this early since the time Lorgar got clapped
I haven't been this late since the siege of Terra
Last time I was this early, Ferrus could not use his hands as shaving mirrors yet.
I think you might have missed something obvious. The Emperor is a mirror. They are describing themselves. They are literally seeing themselves while thinking they are seeing their dad.
I'd love to know what Malcador saw when he looked at the emporer.
A friend.
@@karakas9905 Ouch! That hit me right in the feels.
Corax saw the true face.
Change my mind.
If by true face you mean the one not psychically projected into other people's perception but rather the physical unenhanced face the emperor (at that moment) had, I think you're right. Corax is an infiltration expert, it would make sense he could sneak glances past the mask. But I think he emperor not only psychically projects his image into other people's minds (like how Corax can make himself disappear from people's perceptions) but he also often physically transforms his own appearance, like how Magnus can shapeshift.
After all, the Emperor can do everything the Primarchs can - his power just isn't diluted into focusing on different aspects, and he has had a *long* time to practice.
The emperor's true appearance is probably a really plain looking dude. Think of the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. E is the holy grail. But he has an ability that makes people see him in whatever form makes them the most trustful and loyal to him. I do not think it is a passive ability though, I think he is intentionally using this on all of them. I also don't think Corax saw through anything, I think that split image was exactly what E intended Corax to see and neither of them are his true form.
The emperors true appearance is going to be more like the classic AD&D lich. He isn't human any more. He's basically an undead energy vampire.
This
I've always considered Corax's first view of him to be the most correct... Because of that flicker between the two... While the others have a consistent image...
Same and to me I thought corax always looked more like the emperor in alot of ways than again I try speak to ravens when I walk outside so I'm kinda bias
Makes sense!
This.
Makes sense given Corax has a nerfed version of this ability himself.
Unless the lore around Coraxs stealth powers has changed, as far as I’m aware he does it by altering other peoples perception of him. The emperor can do the same thing but unlike Corax it seems like the emperor does it by default and needs to concentrate to stop.
As far as I’m aware, outside maybe the custodes, no two people ever see the same person when looking at the emperor at the same time.
It’s possible that because Coraxs power, despite the ways it’s different than the emperors, is fundamentally based in the same idea(fucking with how people see you) that Corax is resistant to this affect and the version of the emperor he saw is the closest to his true form.
I say closest because given how powerful the emperor is, how old he is, and how he tends to interact with the warp, that he may not even have a “true form”
In 40k, the body and soul can be separated, and if you’re op enough, your soul can exist after your body dies and is conscious and aware of what’s going on. Perpetuals specifically seem to have the essence of what makes them who they are operate completely independent of their bodies. That’s why you turn one to dust and it’ll respawn somewhere else, all you did was destroy their body. Their mind/soul just got a new flesh vessel to pilot.
The emperor seems unique in how he interacts with the warp though. Even before his worship as a god, the emperor likely would have been the cause for millennia of rumors, beliefs, folklore, and mythology surrounding him in his early years. This would then cause the warp to do its thing and try to make that belief real. Every thought becomes a literal thing in the warp, every story becomes a reality. This means that the faces of the emperor are the Warps way of making the seemingly infinite perceptions of the emperor real. He is all of the faces, and none at the same time
@@ianharrison5758 there is also the unusual degree of trust shown with Corax, which to me suggests Corax might have some additional insight. Of course, maybe no one is meant to see a real concrete being where the Emperor is, and it's meant to be a sort of idealised projection - people imagine the Emperor rather than he projects consistently or even intentionally on an individual basis?
That said, my view has been thoroughly wobbled by Fury of Magnus and then the events in Echoes of Eternity... Although, in a bizarre way, that could add further weight on the idea that everything with the Emperor is a fun house mirror of the viewers' hopes and dreams. I can't remember reading any descriptions of him from an Eldar who actually saw him, but I got the impression that he's a bit of an Ork magnet, neverborn appear uniquely terrified of him.... And the silent king seems to see him as a moribund force that won't adapt to changing circumstances (a problem he's presumably gotten quite sick of in necron politics 😂).
What I like most about his faces is that they are really a mirror of what another wants to see. Perturabo sees a man shorter than himself, compassionate and benevolent with a greater mind. Vulkan sees a man weathered but caring at his core. Another representation I hope gets even more focus is how the Emperor looks in the Warp during the Siege, an old man in furs fighting Horus as a rabid dog and shadowed by the Chaos Gods.
They see an idealised version which is THEIR version of perfection. This is why Arkhan Land saw The Emperor as a the stereotypical scientist in a white coat. He saw him as HIS (Land's) version of the perfect man, a scientist not a warrior or a king. Did Big E do this conciously or was it just a result of him throwing off so much Psychic/warp energy that people's minds couldn't process it and just created an idealised image in their mind? I think it was just how people's own brains made sense of seeing him the same as how his NAME as he said it to Uriah (priest in The Last Church) is not really revelation but actually many names and sounds and meanings and the human brain can't figure it out but just says "Is it... Revelation... yeah... go with That"
I agree with his image but I think he chooses his name GW being a British company that is "inspired" by many sources especially Sci-fi I think his name is like The Doctors or The Masters in Doctor Who he chose a title to reflect his perceived duty at the time so when he's a conquering badass who isn't taking opinions into account its The Emperor when he's crushing a church by dropping truth bombs he's Revelation no doubt he thought that last one was hilarious
The Primarchs are seeing The Emperor as he needs them to see him. He is putting that image in their minds. When the Silent Sisters see him they see just a man.
Each Primarch is an avatar of one or more of the Emperors own aspects and traits, so it makes sense that his sons don't see the whole, but just what resonated the most with their own self.
Also, and this might be the more important reason as far as I see it, the Emperor is using people like tools. Sometimes, he is just wielding them like a hammer, which is easy to achieve with an order, but often enough, his goals are of more delicate nature and so have to be his tools. So sometimes he needs to use people like chess figures and without them even realising that they are used like tools and part of this manipulation is that everyone sees the Emperor as he wants and needs them to see him.
In case of the Lion, for instance, the way he appears for him makes perfect sense considering the Lions nature. His brothers never fully trusted him because of his secretive nature, which is exactly what the Emperor targeted here. He induced the feeling in El'Johnson that he and only he sees and knows something his brothers never can and will see. Damn, the Emperor even went all out with the hood and all that. As a result, the Lion gets the confirmation he wants and needs and a secret that makes him feel important to keep, while the Emperor gets the unquestioning soldier and tool he wants and needs.
And apart from that, I think that even the Emperor himself can't tell how his face is truly looking anymore. I think he even said it himself that he wore so many identities and faces over all those years, for so many reasons, that even he can't tell anymore which face came first. Adapting his appearance to his surroundings might have become an automatic reflex and who can tell the original color of an object that is constantly changing its color?
Each chooses subconsciously how The Emperor appears... sees him to the perfect ideal detail they "will" him to look like.
Clear line he says to Corax upon his query of what the hell is with all the crazy you're causing on my people?
Emperor simply says.... (I paraphrase)...
"Occupational Hazard, let's say"
They can't let themselves see him as an evil undead lich.
This sort of bring a new perspective to when the Tzeentch found the em' pah beating the crystal maze, all Tzeentch sees is a little human girl.
Truely the worst enemy of fate itself.
I think each Primarch sees a different aspect of the Emperor or all the souls create like a haze and they see what they think they would?
In Master of Mankind, after the Emperor shows the custodian the scene from his childhood, the custodian Ra Endymion asks the Emperor "Did this truly happen, sire? Were you really born here?" The Emperor doesn't answer.
The Lion was sure that he saw the Emperor as he truly was, as no doubt all the others did as well.
The Lion is full of himself. Emps is at most a 5ft tall dark brown greek man due to his time and place of birth. Not even average height. Maybe he looks like the Lion in the face. But general features he is nothing like the Lion. He is a tiny man among 10ft tall demi gods. Of course he is constantly glamouring them in a way to manipulate them. None of them have ever actually seen him.
All I'm going to say, the emporer is a total catfish.
I think that the point of The Lion’s viewpoint is that he doesn’t necessarily see _past_ the obfuscation, but he sees the obfuscation itself. It’s not physically the closest depiction of The Emperor that exists, but metaphorically and from a story perspective it describes him perfectly. The fact that Russ can describe what emotions his eyes portray but literally cannot describe the color of them is telling. None of them have ever seen his face. The Lion sees the metaphor laid bare, albeit with his own nature reflected. A being wreathed in light, wearing a resplendent garment over an impenetrable shell describes the Emperor perfectly, just not physically.
Well, either the Emperor either told the Lion the truth when he said, "it is in your nature to see through to the truth".
"Facts are immutable." The Emperor reminds the Lion.
It isn't just that the Lion says this, the Emperor says this.
Remember that the Dark Angels and Lion wore black at this point, not green.
The point of the novel was that the Lion saw through to the truth, worked in his father's interests, and had no problem that others didn't know.
The lion was still tricked by perturabo though, he falls for tricks in the HH plenty
@@Vihara2, Perturabo just shut up and let the Lion talk. Did you read the story?
It isn't some magic power, it's the use of reason.
No primarchs had sided with Horus yet, the Lion presumed Perturabo's loyalty because Perturabo was en route to punish Horus.
We don't even truly know if Perturabo had decided completely to turn on the Emperor yet, at least not until the dropsite massacre.
If you reflect on the Emperor's being alive, the Perditus Engine, the Krave, the Rangda, Guilliman's weakness, and his trust in Sanguinius, the Lion is right a lot.
He conquered more worlds than any 2 of his brothers, that didn't come through being gullible.
Well said
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Very well said. I think most people ignore the fact that at this point in time, Perturabo was not in league with Chaos, and hadn't turned.
In the story Blood Games (I think that’s the name), a Custode can change their appearance so that others see them as ordinary people. The Emperor also has done this, for example, when he talked to that last priest in the last church. I forgot the name of the story.
It seems that people seeing the Custodes and the Emperor differently makes sense.
It’s the fan story The Last Church
@@elmine7707 Not a fan story, but the animation is fan-made from what I'm aware.
@@elmine7707 geeez that was a “duh” moment on my part. Thanks for the name.
@Michal Nemet I remember now. I was reading how the Custodes can be from 9-11 feet tall.. as big as some Primarchs.
@Michal Nemet in Blood Games I remember ish.. how near the end he came upon Rogal Dorn and wasn’t going to hesitate attacking him. Then Dorn spoke to him. My memory is fuzzy on the interaction.
How conceited do you have to be to acknowledge that the Emperor appears differently to each of the Primarchs, but to still believe that what you see is the truth and all the others are deluded?
It the Lion, that like Funademental to him and he might explode if he isnt so hypocritical.
Perhaps his appearance is linked to people’s perceptions.
I think this is exactly why he sees the Emperor like that. Big E was fully aware about El'Johnsons secretive nature and his arrogance, so he gave him exactly what he needed to see in order to make him feel deeper, smarter and more important than his brothers and, as the wanted and achieved result, less prone to stupid questions and more likely to do as told.
I think the Lion ment more that the others see a face, a person, but cannot describe it after. They see something they need to see in their father, conversely the Lion sees a warlord in armor with a hood, in otherwords sure he still sees a Dark Angel, albiet one in armor unlike theirs, but he's seeing nothing.
The Emporer is a secretive man and the Lion, with little to no communication, knows this and does not care. He does not care what he is told or not, how others see him or don't, and neither does the Emporer. This is, in many ways, a lot like the Emperor and is often remarked on by the other Primarchs who state he is the most like their father. So when he says he sees the truth I think he means that the others project what they need. A caring father, a wise king, a great khan, but he sees himself in his father sure, but he doesn't need that nor care. He sees the true nature of his father; secretive and insightful with necessary and cruel plans, much like himself and many primarchs, and he follows his fathers will irregardless of the fact he knows he is not told everything and many will hate him.
@@Furzkampfbomber The lion really isn't one to ask needless questions and is 100% loyal to the Emperor without all of that so I don't think that's the answer personally. Remember during the big E held some doubt with everyone to varying levels but zero doubt about the Lion, even questioning Malchedors doubt of Johnson. This extends to the traitors as no one thought they could turn him, even Conrad, and even a changer of ways saw zero futures where he could.
L. Frank Baum had the Emperor's number from the start:
"The Lion thought it might be as well to frighten the Wizard, so he gave a large, loud roar, which was so fierce and dreadful that Toto jumped away from him in alarm and tipped over the screen that stood in a corner. As it fell with a crash they looked that way, and the next moment all of them were filled with wonder. For they saw, standing in just the spot the screen had hidden, a little old man, with a bald head and a wrinkled face, who seemed to be as much surprised as they were. The Tin Woodman, raising his axe, rushed toward the little man and cried out, 'Who are you?'"
There's a line where a Sister of Silence looks upon the Emperor and sees a unimpressive average looking man. Dark haired with dark eyes, average height, average build.
Play speed to 1.5x
The Emperor is a being of physic might that he could all must anything, and no doubt that he was able reshape his face to beat fitted his purpose, and no doubt that he was able to do so with little effort, but maybe Lorgar does has his original face and maybe that why Lorgar seemed to be as charming as he is.
What did lorgar see?
@@henrypaleveda7760 Probably Light or maybe even his face.
The emperor was definitely the billionaire who helped fund the event horizon ship project in my head canon.
sending the first Guinee pigs into the warp, I like this theory !
What would you see if you took a photo of the emperor? Would he look different in the photo when someone else looks at it
I was wondering how a null would view Him, then you mentioned the Silent Sisters…
I have put a lot of thought into this. I wonder if The emperor is the last of the Men of Gold - heavily engineered people from the age of technology. He used a bastardized version of the men of gold process to create his armies.
i thought the men of stone were the engineered ones and the men of gold were humanity?
Except there are many, many sources providing evidence that he is older than the age of technology. In Mechanicum, he is shown as St George slaying the dragon. In Master of Mankind he shows Custodian Ra the village he claims where he was born in Byzantium. Perpetual Ol Persson recalls he and the Emperor at the collapse of the Tower of Babel. For me, perhaps most intriguingly, the C'tan shard in The Great Work knows of the Emperor and tells Bellisarius Cawl that he is 'a weapon'. That's such an incredibly mischevious little teaser, I can't believe there hasn't been more speculation about it - it implies a couple of major possibilities.
I think it more likely that the Emperor did some genetic tinkering on himself during the DAoT. Genetic research regarding psykers was a big thing then.
Wasn't their a scene in Master of Mankind where a rather powerful sister of Silence saw the Emperor as merely a tired old man. And she couldn't understand why people, primarchs even, looked up to him.
Well she would only be seeing the least aspect of the Emperor. He is being of such massive psychic might that most of his being is warp based. The sister of silence being cut off from that only sees the least significant aspect of Him
I think he is very similar to Magnus' appearance. People note, that when they look at Magnus, every person tends to see something different, with the only consistent feature being that he is always one eyed. I think it was Ahriman that even directly compares this to how it is when looking at the Emperor. There is no clear definition of how Magnus looks, even his size seems entirely random (though as he wants it to appear) with him being described as a giant at one time, yet able to comfortably sit down in a mortal's quarters to talk with him.
So I think that both the Emperor and Magnus tend to actively change their appearance to suit what their intended targets/conversation partners want to see them as/to fit their tastes. Magnus is for example mentioned to appear more martial when talking to Russ and more scholarly when talking to Lorgar. We know they have no difficulty in affecting even the perception of thousands of people at the same time as well, considering the stunt Magnus pulled during the siege of Terra.
Ollanius and Erda are probably the only two that know his true form because they were with him on earth. Shit Ollanius is actually older than him so. Plus big E didn’t have all the powers he got from Molech yet either
So the Emperor is like Roger's personas from American dad.
"Ricky Spanish shsh"
Id imagine the emperor is what we see in art but to everyone else is literally different. Maybe he's like Galactus in marvel where other races see their own race in galactus except the emperor is probably doing this passively and on purpose. I say this because our golden emperor is just a man with many facets, flaws and parts of his personality like everyone else exept he only has "above omega level" abilites. I quote this because fuck powerscaling. He is the oldest human with many lives but its still him. His true name matters to Valdor from what i see in the lore is because names to us give us power. We need to label things even ourselves. Its just what we do. The idea of the emperor being more than a man is accurate to our standards in the real world but if he existed there might be a chance one of us could be as powerful as the emperor so any of us can be the emperor therefore everyone can be the emperor hence his many facades. I hope i made sensr
I like to think about the primarchs as warp entity’s mixed with a fraction of the emperors very soul given flesh, so they would likely see the aspect of himself they were derived from . While considering that they are not the fragment itself but it is the cornerstone of what they were made of.
The Emperor is who he needs to be in order to preserve mankind, plus i'm sure the Primarchs projected what they thought their father should be like
"He looks like Henry Cavill!"
"No! He looks like Samoa Joe!"
"You fools, it's CLEARLY Tom Holland."
"He's Keanu Reeves!"
*ONE HERESY LATER*
"Okay so that got out of hand real fast, let's pretend it was actually for a good reason. Like, Horus went mad or something, Magnus broke the webway experiment..."
"Why me?!"
"You did actually break it, Magnus."
"I did nothing wrong!"
"That had better not become a meme...."
_And that was truly what happened in the Horus Heresy. The true events were too embarrassing for the fledgling Imperium to survive, and the Emperor cringed so hard at how stupid his kids were, that he had to be interred on the golden throne due to cringe_
_And also because Magnus broke the webway._
The only perspective we could trust on this would A)Valdor and B)Malcador.
There was a novel that has Vulkan, Ferrus Manus and Mortarion were fighting on a jungle planet against the Eldar. The Emperor appears before Vulkan in a guise as a normal human. The human, I believe, questions, challenges and reassures Vulkan as the campaign appears to be going poorly for the Imperials. Vulkan eventually realizes that this human is the Emperor and before Vulkan can question the human that human disappears. Vulkan then recalls that The Emperor told him that he "would watch over them" as they persecute the Great Crusade.
What Dark Angel vibes are you talking about? The DA at this point dawned Black, not green. And the robes were post Heresy, they wore knightly tabards during and before the HH.
Love it
But then Corax and I believe Magnus comment that Lorgar looks like the Emperor the most.
Psychic power shenanigans…… pretty simple …. Silly video
Remember Night Haunter making Big E statue out of corpses. He had problem with the face of his father.
Because The Emperor's appearance is as much related to his psychic warp presence as his actual physical presence.
The Emperor's might is incomprehensible to mortal humans
If the fan theory is true that all the primarchs are psykers of differing abilities and strengths, then they could be seeing a different aspect of his soul, what with Emps being of a gestalt soul made from the souls of thousands of bronze age psykers who committed mass ritualistic suicide to overwhelm the still-forming daemons and chaos of the warp and reincarnate into a new being.
People see the idealised version of what they want themselves to be when looking at the Emperor.
Also isn't it said the primarchs were sorta similar facially? I don't mean exact but really close like Clint Eastwood and his son.
Could it be a psyker defense. To make the beholder see something the would relate to. Easier to manipulate or connect to.
Maybe when the traitors looked upon the Emperor they literally saw a corpse rather than a man. Maybe the warp twisted their perceptions to mach their attitudes. Just a thought.
That are all psychicly linked I think. Eaxh of them seeing him again reestablished this link, solidifying his image to each if them.
Couldn’t Corax make himself invisible to the emperor?
I'm waiting for gw to make a big e hh model but only 1 out of 24k gold and auction it off I shouldn't give them ideas
Why would he see Emerald plate? The first legion wore Black
Rho's videos are so loud he could be in the Emperor's Children Kakophoni
Think Rho has missed the point here. People just see what they want to see. Cawl sees him as a scientist because that is what he admires. Don't think the emp is turning his shiney on and off depending on who he talks to.
Im curious if alparius and omegon saw him differently every time or just like them a lie
Kinda scary to think about what father Curze must have seen him as if it was a warped view of his own dark reflection
I think the only ones who have seen the Emperor's true face are the Custodes since they have been with him from the start and seen everything, is there even a case where the Custodes describe how they see the Emperor?
I just got a flash of The Emperor as Gordon Freeman from half-life XD
Probably just a mid height athletic build brown dude in a bathrobe
The secret is that The Emporer actually looks like Alpharius.
I thought he would turned out to be a black dude like most folks I’ve watched online
Is it possible that the Emperor has worn so many masks that he does not fully remember what is under them?
It begs the question why or how Tzeentch saw a little girl as the emperor in his realm.
of course, everyone has their own perception of you so when you are the most powerful psyker to ever live, let them see what they want to see most in you.
Congrats on 100k subs. Keep up the good work. 👍
I believe he takes on the appearance that they psychicly expect to see of him at that time
We all know that the Emperor looks like Henri Cavill
Only primarch to ever see the real emperor…Alpharius
I believe he did that so he could better bond and connect with his sons.
What part of the emperor is lorgar suppose to be???
Ave Imperator, gloria in excelsis Terra!
Great video, was super interested
I had no idea he went that far back 😯
I like how Land saw the Emperor as a scientist in white sterile robes, gloves etc. To Land the Emperor was the living embodiement of the Machine God, the Omnissiah, but in a human form, a scientist supreme.
Rho's answer is that each primarch hallucinates differently. This is insufficient. It does not explain how or why beyond an ambiguous "they see what is within themselves". Why? Whats the mechanic? The only mechanic that has a shred of evidence is that Emperor is doing something that enables this....some field that can be interpreted, or that each guise is intentional. Its one or the other, and everything else is just fancy.
Emerald armor and golden robes - this is only “so Dark Angels” in a post heresy world. At the time, the Dark Angels colors are black, red, and white. The green comes after, perhaps at that point inspired by the Lion’s perspective of the Emperor.
I think a fascinating aspect of The Lion's perspective is that his is the only impression where he describes an appearance (green armour, gold cloak.), rather than a projected nature (weathered, deep and humoured, care-worn).
I love that you’ve been using Spirit for the past couple of videos as the background music, it was noticeably absent in the past year.
The concept of projecting or shape shifting to better suite an environment or produce a desired outcome makes sense when considering one as skilled and powerful as The Emperor. However, one thing has always picked at my brain...
Would the facade not have dropped when he was entombed upon the Golden Throne? How could he maintain the facade after effectively being killed? And even if he wasn't dead, why burn the energy maintaining so many different appearances? If he's truly more god-like now and has lost his sense of humanity, why would this more robotic and unfeeling form of the Emperor even care what he looked like now? Most artist's renditions show him as a mummified and skeletal cadaver. Would this form be that of a giant soldier who occupied his golden armor in the faces of so many, or would this be the remains of a shriveled old man the size and stature of Malcador?
I think corax can see the Emperor just as the Sisters of Silence do . Corax can pretty much project that he isn't there that power to project onto others. He could probably plainly see the man and his emanating power. Magnus could probably see his warp power on a level only he and Malcador possess
I feel like we'll never truly know how he looked in life, I mean much like his son magnus he could probably change his size at will from normal human to a giant like the primarchs. But for his actual face I feel like only the perpetuals that had known him for millenia before the events of 30k would know. After all even a sister of silence seems to fall under the emperors psychic spell due to his power.
Get him to 100k folks!
After the description of the Emperor looking like a dark angel, is it possible that each primarch sees the part of him that they most closely resemble? I am new to the lore, but it sounds like the primarch were made by him. Could each one be a mirror image of a part of their father? Just a newbies thoughts
To me he does reflect what the primarchs want to see.
Makes you wonder what Konrad saw. He tried to rip his own eyes out. Must have saw the Emperor as some terribly evil creature capable of some next level atrocities
the emperor of lies(?)
The Lion knew what he saw was for show and a reflection on him self and knew what the the big E truely is for all the Lions experience with the watchers of the dark.
Corax's experience was more to do with his split nature being manifested through his not so understood warp/pyschic powers.
Perhaps what surrounds the Emperor is a kind of glamour. Everyone sees something of themselves.
He’s simply a perfect representation of the emperium he created. Where you can never trust what you see. You can’t trust the history as recorded. You can’t trust your own memories even. Everything is held together by everyone seeing what they want to see
The Emperor doesn't do it intentionally, everyone sees the energy being that is the Emperor as they think they should, that's it.
I think the only ones to see the Emperor's true form are the Sisters of silence and Malcador.
Jaghatai was adopted
I think it’s a point between the two. The Emperor is essentially casting a glimmer spell but he doesn’t control what the other person sees
The 40K version of the blue & black dress.
There's also the fact that when the Sisters of Silence see Guilliman, they see a tired old man too.
Last time I was this early Magnus hadn’t done anything wrong yet.