WILL GUILLIMAN REVEAL THE PRIMARIS PROJECT DURING THE SCOURING?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Hi all Rho here! Today we ask if the Lord Commander Roboute Guilliman, will reveal the secret of the Primaris project during the Scouring to his brother Primarchs?
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My theory is that the Primaris were created by the Emperor all along as an Astartes Mk. II and that Guilliman finds out about the Primaris from Corax because the Emps gave him access to it after Istvaan. Cawl wasn't creating the Primaris as much as he was just repairing the damage done to the project by the Alpha Legion during the heresy.
I think the Primaris are, or are close to the how the Emperor intended the Space Marines to be originally. If I remember correctly, the Emperor only started working on the marines after he lost the primarchs. If this is true, I suspect he would have lacked the knowledge and genetic materials from the fully completed Primarchs needed to make Primaris marine right out of the gate.
It might actually explain why they are called Primaris. Because they were the intended first version of the marines?
primaris are just fodder for the imperium
True or false, them being the intended form of the Marines is my canon
@@LegendStormcrow Thats one of my theories as well.
It's a good theory, but the problem is in the pudding: Corax was already actively forgetting fundamental parts of the Magna Mater by the end of Deliverance Lost, so the knowledge was somewhat temporary, and why he just didn't start again from scratch as it didn't take him very long with the first batch.
HOWEVER, in Sons of Selenar, RG Nykona Sharrowkyn had the physical, actual Magna Mater, not a psychic imprint, aboard the Ship the Sangprimus Portum; hence the name. I think it is no coincidence that Guilliman came to Cawl during the scouring, right around the time his forces would of stumbled across Nykona in coma-sleep with Garuda.
Pretty sure the armor is not keeping Guilleman alive. It's in a story where he just takes it off. Lol
Corax was given the data to make primaris by the Emperor after Istavan, Cawel just sorted out the damage done by Alpha Legion
A interaction to appease the 6th Chaos God, the Almighty Algorithm, a Comment for the Comment Throne
Nope.
Re-read the book please.
I thought that was the Raptor thing
@@GrumbleGrimbus yeah, bigger, and better marines that came about quicker a marine 2.0 as it were, the Alpha Leigon messed it up. IMO i reckon Cawel was given access to what was left of the data
@@Uzzgub Imagine Raptor Primaris
Space Marines now are far removed from the intentions of the imperium 10 thousand years before.
The Primarchs of 30k understand the purpose of the Astartes, needs of the imperium, and the need for better soldiers at the reveal of chaos, Chao's intensions, and Chao's broad threat.
The Primarchs would understand the Primaris project only makes sense. You must improve your soldiers and weapons of war when faced with a greater threat. The "same old, same old" just won't do.
The Primarchs aren't stupid, immature, superstitious minded fools like some of the Astartes of 40k.
Every loyal Primarch has the wisdom to appreciate and understand the practicality and necessity of the Primaris.
Let's not create imaginative drama where it wouldn't make sense to have it.
It's so obvious that if Guilliman was doing any of what he is or has done for nefarious reasons then chaos would have exploited and turned him due to it. The loyal Primarchs would internally deliberate and come to this conclusion that the Primaris and Guilliman's intentions are good in a matter of moments, if not seconds.
For the reader, Guilliman's intentions are made clear to cast away any doubts on the reader, when he is given the corrupted chaos crown and Guilliman casts it away. If Guilliman had any intentions of nefariousness, such a crown would have taken root in that desire.
Also Corax was given Marine 2.0 data so he must of had a part
Also given that many of the Primachs were aware of the flaws within their Gene Seed. I truly believe that had this info been revealed before the fall, It is likely this would have secured the Loyalty of a couple traitor Primarchs.
The idea that the Emperor was aware of these issues and in addition to working on the web way was also looking to improve and stabilize future Astartes, I’m sure Rogal, Corvus, Vulcan would have welcomed Same with Sanguinius, Magnus, And Fulgrim.
Hell if Mortarian could be cleansed and rebuild his legion he’d probably take them up on it after what happened in Nurgels Garden.
Great hypothesis love it!
Sorry to be a stickler but chaos used for ownership would be chaos' as an inverted comma indicates missing letters, in chaos' case the missing letter are the "es" (chaoses)
@@Uzzgub I believe he was given data on the Primarch project, not the marine project. Obviously the two are intimately connected, but I do think they are described as being different.
It may very well be that the Primaris Marines are what the Emperor wanted to make right from the get go!!!
@@Uzzgub corax was given the original templates. He did not create anything new.
What he and the scientists discovered is that the space marines had specifically built in 'flaws' that would make them more similar to their primarchs.
All corax did was cutting out those flaws. It was even stated that thes flaws had a fuction, but i cant remember it correctly
I think if any Primarch comes back and questions Big.Rob he'll just point a thumb at the Golden Throne
"Go talk to Dad"
And Big.E will respond
"Well duuuuurgh, the marines are tools, if you can make a tool out of better steel you do. Now stop being a child like 10,000yrs ago, and go be like your brother and do what you were built for"
There is another possibility. Maybe he did tell them but they just assumed it would come to nothing so did not really care. Given how brilliant the emperor was in terms of science and technology, saying you want to improve on his creations would likely to be met with a fair amount of cynicism
Except it wasnt really only the Emperor... it was pile of people around the Emperor like Sedane... quite frankly spare marines 2.0 were already in existence by the end of Heresy... Grey knights which Big E concocted (with his team) on Malcador´s behalf.
the "emperor has made" is insane simplification.
He already had projects for upgrades up and running. And in comparison - Cawls upgrades arent really anything that special.
sinew coils are really just manufactured biotechnology its not really an "organ" (Mechanicus is actually really good at that...)
magnifact is essentialy "half" of specialized primarch organ which cawl recovered from Emperors logs, with other half being lost...
he only really made the Belisarian furnace from scratch and thats essentialy something thats comparable to keeping Krieg "horses" alive with all the biotech changes to it.
the improvements Cawl himself made are not that interesting...
“I’m going to make better Space Marines”
“Pssh maybe in 10 thousand years!”
TEN THOUSAND YEARS LATER…
It also could have been his brothers didn't really care. They were all so taken by grief and even Guillemin eventually let his rage against Fulgrim make he do stupid things that nearly cost his life. I suspect that Guillemin will try to tell them and they will tell him they just don't care. Once the scouring is over and they kill their traitorous brothers and find out what happen to the Lion. Then they will bother thinking about Golden Boys little project. The shock of indifference will probably worse than them arguing. Especially if it takes place after Guillemin proposes breaking the Legions into chapters. Only people who care argue and if the others start going silent. Then to Guillemin remaining brothers disappeared long before his 10,000 year nap.
If he told his brothers I doubt Jaghatai would be overly concerned about the project.
Unless you bring up how primaris have a hard time fitting into vehicles. Jaghatai might take some offense then.
"they'll be taller you say, hmm. will need bigger bikes" and that's his entire concern with the primaris
Didn't Guilliman have some Space Wolves as bodyguards during the Great Crusade?
Yes. Guardians/executioners. Russ sent some to all of his brothers. Should his brothers be found suspect, their orders were to kill said Primarch.
@@Niall001 How would that work though? There were only a few, certainly no more than 10. Roboute may not be the greatest warrior out of all the primarchs but he can take 10 astartes no problem.
@@wanderhillen2435 The Space wolves have always thought highly of themselves, they not? 🤷♂️
@@wanderhillen2435 It was more about sending a message.
Look here; some objectively better space marines. Science boi there who helped Dad make the original space marines made them for me. Try not to get too upset about it.
Will Gullimun in the current era try and find some of his loyalist brothers?
How? As far as we know, Imperial records would only tell Guilliman one of three rumors about his brothers. One, he’s dead. Two, he’s in the eye of terror. Three, he’s in the webway. Guilliman is busy being the last good thing humanity has to have. He doesn’t have time personally running off into hell dimentions looking for his brothers. That’s why half of them are lost. Maybe if the DAs let him visit the Rock one of the watcher will see him and spill the beans about the sleeping Lion. Otherwise, there’s two active things Guilliman can do. The first is to really start putting pressure the Eldar. Eventually, some faction of the Xenos will either agree to search the webway for the Khan or actually know where he is. Can you really trust those knife eared bastards with a strength forward task? The only other pragmatic option would be to help the Salamanders search for Vulkan’s treasures in hopes that the myth of the relics being able to bring back Vulkan are true.
@@falsehero2001 The Lion would be the last brother he would want to find it would cause him problems he could do without. Johnson has always suspected Guilliman of wanting the throne for himself then wakes up and finds him as regent with his own redesigned marine army, there will be a trouble for Guilliman before everthing gets explained.
@@falsehero2001 Hasn't Guilliman been dead for about 10,000yrs? Who's to say Jaghatai hasn't already died to overwhelming force in that time.
The only reason to "put pressure" on the Eldar is to whipe them out for good... but why would you want to throw away perfectly usable Tyranid bait? 🎣🤷♂️ (Also, he has more important things to do, like making sure Mortarion doesn't take over the 500 Worlds and spoiling Abbadon's plans)
Truth be told - and in most ironic - the one loyal Brother he has chance to meet any time soon is Corvus Corax... and Imperium has absolutely no clue what so ever what happened to him.
then there is of course Lion El Johnson...
Lion would be more pissed about his Dark angels being morons about the Fallen then Roboute at this point though.
@@henryviiifake8244 You’re not looking at it from the in universe perspective.
Guiliman: “What can you tell me of my brother Jaghattai?”
Jubal: “The last record of our father is thousands of years ago. Following an attack on Mundas Planus by Eldar, the Great Khan lead a force chasing the Xenos into their webway. He’s not been heard of since.”
Guiluman: “Theoretically, he may be still alive. Practically, I do not have the luxury of of dedicating imperial resources to his search. I’m afraid we will have to hope he may yet return to us.”
Later, in secret
Guilliman: “Ambassador, we must speak.”
Illiyanne: “What about, Regent.”
Guilliman: “I am told that my brother, Jagahtai Khan, was last recorded in Imperial records entering the Eldar webway. I require any information that Eldrad has on the events following this point.”
Illiyanne: “I will gather from Farseer Ulthran what knowledge the Asuryani can share.”
Guilliman: “Not what ‘can’ be shared. ‘All’ of what is known.”
I fully expect that Corvus knew from the start and I wouldn't even be too suprised if the Primaris project was actually his idea, based on the raptor project. Corvus probably told Guilliman about the Raptor project and he (Guilliman) devoloped the idea of the primaris project from there, perhaps with Corvus help.
Maybe they found sharrowkyn with the sangprimus portum and corvus advised guilliman, which helped him come to terms with what he did, or made it worse, helping him reach the decision to leave that to others and go to the Eye and hunt down traitor primarchs
When would he have had the chance to tell Guilliman? And why him out of all his loyalist brothers?
@@henryviiifake8244 after the siege of terra, Corax was with his brothers on Terra, stayed for the Codex, only later did he go to Deliverance and stayed in the raven tower for one year before leaving for the Eye.
And him over other loyal primarchs because he tried to create space marines in a quicker fashion during the heresy, so he would have some experience and knowledge to talk to Guilliman, and the space marine who had the main genetic data that allowed Cawl to create Primaris was a raven guard, so maybe he gave it to Corax. Its all speculation but people are trying to predict whats gonna happen. All we know is the raven guard space marine has the sang portum, and Guilliman gives that device after the heresy to Cawl, so it ends up in his hands eventually.
I like to imagine the storm giants are actually raven guard successors rather than salamanders as the survivors of the raptor project, as they have enhanced muscles among possible other things. They have primaris sharing this trait (similar to black dragons primaris having their mutation)
@@ruipinho619 This. Definitely this. In Deliverance Lost, Corax was already forgetting the details of the psychic imprint of the Sangprimus Portum. This is also why he didn't simply try again from scratch. By the time Corax would even be in the same star system as Robute, the conversation would of gone:
Corax: So, Dad taught me something very important.
Robute: By all means, what did he teach you?
Corax: I... Forgot...
Robute: But you're a Primarch, how could you for--
Corax: HE USED HIS SPACE MAGIC, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM MEEE?
I would be surprised that Guilliman kept this secret, especially at the time. He disliked keeping secrets, which may have been his dispute with Alpharius.
man i love roboute and the ultras
Guilliman alredy remove his armor when he need.
No loyalist and few traitor Astartes nurse a grudge quite like the Vlka Fenryka.
I think he's able to doff his armor now.
Yes, he explicitly says so in the Dawn of Fire series IIRC
@@user-gj7lp5iz6k imagine the smell...
@@chrisfrombeyond4240 seek Jesus
At least 3 times now the Astartes template has tried to be overtly improved; once by Corax, once by the Wolves and once by Cawl. At no point did the Emperor try to prevent it.
For Cawl it's just like continuing the work he did on the original project anyway.
Weighing that up it seems Big E has no problems with someone improving his work, if he had more time he would probably have made better Astartes in the 1st place.
The Primarchs will probably just assume that if Daddy E doesn't have a problem with the project then they shouldn't.
Odds are he wanted to give the chaos gods inferior soldiers to be subsequently crushed by the superior primaris
I agree. The Emperor wasn't sentimental about the Astartes - they were what he needed to unite the Imperium. Just as the Thunder Warriors were what he needed to unite Terra. He clearly didn't regard his work as 'sacred' in any sense.
Additionally it’s noted that he offered Magnus a new legion, likely of primaris
@@justinokraski3796 Wasn't that the Grey Knights?
I just hope that they keep it entirely Guilliman's plan/idea. Like I hope they don't retcon that Emperor knew about primaris and the breaking down of the legions. That it was just the next step in the Emperors plan ala the transitions from the thunder warriors to the space marines. Doing that would just reinforce big blue's boyscout image and really make his character way less interesting.
Guilliman was made to do what Guilliman does when it's needed.
I think to a certain extent every Primarch was planned to be kind of an agent, agent as in computer programming, to relief the emperor of the need to micromanage every single aspect of the undertaking to accomplish his goals.
I just imagine Cawl acting and sounding exactly like he did in Text to Speech Emperor and it makes their conversation a lot more entertaining
why are they called primaris, not secondaris?
Wait sorry, can someone help me?
So Roboute told the Lion about the primaris project?? When???
As a son of Russ my view in how Gilluman would talk to my primarch is that the primarus were the only way to keep the wolves legacy from being erased by heretics and would push what our chapter master said that the primarus would be retrained in the our ways and traditions to make sure our view of the all fathers plans remain in tact.
Question for you Rho....in the 32 years I've been involved in the 40k universe we've had 1 Primarch return..... would they really give us another in such quick succession? Or are we looking at another 30 years? 🤷🏽♂️
Not Rho, but my guess is this wasn't planned over 30 years. GW was perfectly happy letting the setting teether as it was. With the Imperium always on the brinks of collapse, the Eldar on the brink of extinction, Chaos, the Necrons and the 'Nids on the brink of erupting. They just realized two things. That you can only keep a setting in this stasis for so long before it starts to bore people and make them go and look for another hobby. And in a setting where the Imperium keeps on forgetting tech you can't release new plastic models, logically you'd have to remove them. They had to do something to move the setting forward, give them imperium a chance at some new toys aka plastic for GW to sell. And I also think that the Horus Heresy series made people lust after the Primarchs. So if you bring them back you can sell even more plastic. So another 30 years for another Primarch to show up? Hell, GW might not even exist anymore in 3 years if they keep on fucking up with their lawyer bullshit and Warhammer+ shenanigans. Or if they join in the woke fun. Bringing back more Primarch might be as seductive to them as bringing back Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield was for Marvel and Sony in Spiderman. Instant ka-ching!
If handled well that is. Guiliman's return and especially the Primaris introduction did not win any Oscars for good writing and handling.
Only one loyalist .... but three traitors, so far, and there are rumours of Angron. So, in current 40k Primarchs are a thing.
The Loyalist Primarchs know.
One cannot defeat the Traitor Legions by
Fighting fire with fire
You need Primaris plama incinerator to defeat traitor fire
Primaris. Inherently designed to resist Corruption. Inherently designed to fight Chaos
Frankly the deductions coupled with a bizarre hope for some kind conflict between the Primarchs is a ways off the mark here. Firstly, the Imperium Secundus was a smart move given the status of the Imperium as a whole. If Terra fell it was meant to be a fall back. Second, given the nature of the status of most of the present day legions and the low numbers, having a primarus project just makes far more sense. Corax was given the green light and Guilliman did exactly what was needed to be done to protect the Imperium. If the Primarchs return, they will see the same shit show that the 40k Imperium has become. Primarchs don't think like or behave like humans because in all reality they are not human any longer. They no longer have the same emotions, and biological drive as humans. Hell, they barely have the same genes as us lowly apes. Comparing the Astartes to base line humans is like comparing a child with severe down syndrome to an Olympic class athlete with Einstines intelligence who can live for thousands of years.
That wire hanging out from Guilliman's armor in the first picture is hardly battle-proof.
"If Dorn returns".... Dorns as dead as disco
No. I don’t think that the other primarchs would have an issue with a program like this. While they didn’t want to disband or legions due to loyalty and brotherhood, the Primark‘s during that time as well as the Marines we’re always trying to improve. There wasn’t the fanatical superstition to change that plagues the 40 K era. So I think that the other primarchs would see this as a tool and a way of improving the strength of the imperium that they were desperately trying to rebuild after the Civil War./Heresy
There is a short story where G man takes the armor of fate off.
When you say "playing emperor" I imagine the custodes playing along like children playing house with much enthusiasm since they miss big E so much.
Could Corax weigh in and give account of his role with the Raptor project? I think he would be pivotal in this discussion amongst the brothers. If the Emperor already had plans for improved Space Marines (see Fury of Magnus for those plans) and giving Corax access to his lab and original Astartes research to speed up the replenishment of his legion, it should make sense for Corax to weigh in. Unless his guilt and grief over the failed Raptor project prevents him from doing so.
His advice would of been less than stellar since the psychic imprint the Emperor gave him was already fading from his mind before the first batch of Raptors were even out, which is why he didn't try for a redo.
In the Lore, the most likely source of the Primaris is in the hands of Nykona Sharrowkyn at the end of Sons of Selenar.
And for my personal opinion: I think it would of been very wholesome plotwise if the Alpha Legion had a hand in letting Nykona escape from Luna during the Siege to ultimately aid the Empire in the same way they had a hand in Letting Corvus Corax escape Istvaan to ultimately undermine the Empire. It just sounds like something the Alpha Legion would do.
The primarchs and Imperium back then were not the same supersticious, backwards thinking and opposed to change as the Imperium we now know and desperately love.
Love these lore thought experiment videos
I would love to see Cawl got visions from the Emperor or the Void Dragon through out the 10k years. On top of his engineering skills being why he was able to make all the upgrades.
...yeaaa, pretty sure Gman, back then, couldn't have snuck shit by the Lion. considering that secrets are his bread and butter. that, and cutting the heads off his Astartes, if they try to give council, lol. error... lore redaction required due to flippin (thats how u brits say it right. I like that shit. freakin sounds like a 90s R&B jam. but flippin makes me think of flipping a table over, if u cant curse bc, idk, ur job is lame... wtf was i saying?!) insane, lazy, mcguffin to create descension within the ranks back home. for the ones that learned about it, anyway. cant quite picture Lion as Emperor Nero from ancient Rome. Fulgrim right before Super Snakeman Level 3 transformation, def, but the Lion? i gotta google who wrote that... heresy, (25,487,563rd time that lame 40k joke has been use.)
Guillaman playing emperor dates back to the h.h the imperium secundus the fallback imperium
Oh, girlyman planned on telling his brothers of the primaris AS THEY ARE TRANLATING INTO THE SYSTEM.
I forget which novel it was, I think maybe one of the Conquest books, but there is an Impeiral Fist primaris who straight up references being sent to Cawl and the project as an boy under the direct orders of Dorn, as part of the Primarch's support.
I am an blood angels simp since 22 years, so I am clearly not the biggest fan of the smurfs but: route is one of the smartest primarchs who ever lived. He can play 5d chess while his opponents try to figure out how to play 4d chess. Also (and hear me out) robute was the one who ended the legions and he will be the one who brings the legions back. Evidence? I will give you two: after Dante is warden of half the galaxy, Dante us supposed to bring all blood angels together to clean up the imperium secundus (legion) and robute him self is claiming his old empire as a base of power where every ultramarine chapter is part of ultramar (legion) he is slowly but surely brining back little big empires within the imperium and every mini empire will be controlled by a legion.
His brothers would ultimately support the primaris once they've determined there is no sinister motivation behind them. They've essentially had the exact same soldiers for over 10,000 years now, eventually some improvements ought to be made.
Breaking up the legions will always be a controversial movie. Outside of the Big E outright saying that should be done, it'll be a point of disagreement.
Pretty sure it says in Codex Space Marines that the oldest Primaris Marines have memories of meeting Rogal Dorn. So Dorn found out about them before he disappeared, right? At the very least. I'd think most of the Primarchs would want their sons to be closer to their genetic makeup. Most of them have a narcissistic streak, like you'd expect from a demigod.
It's a shame that the two Primarchs who would have been completely for this adjustment are no longer "accessible" for Guilliman.
The two being Sanguinius, who was afraid of censure due to his gene seed's flaws, and Magnus, who would do anything to save his sons from the flesh change beyond letting them die out.
It would be interesting if Belisarius Cawl finds evidence that the Emperor purposely made defects in the gene seeds - how would the primarchs act if they found compelling evidence. Perhaps Lemans perception was acute enough to remember the dialogue Corax had with him while unconscious during the aftermath of him fighting Horus. If he understood that the legions was the reason for the downfall of the imperium, perhaps he would follow Guillimans actions.
In reference to the Space Wolves. Here is what may have been overlooked about why they dislike Guilliman so vehemently. It's not that they still want to be a true legion as much as he has made that impossible. And they may feel leashed unfairly by that edict. Afterall, you don't see wolves performing in circus's now do you?
Egg! Dude how's he tell a bunch of brothers anything when they aren't aven there to tell lol your strange...the doors play when you start...you act like the horus heresy happened yesterday lol there's a 10,000yr gap...
There is another possibility, he didn't tell his brothers, but then some how they found out anyway. The deceit on top of breaking up the Legions would have pissed off his brothers. That would probabley brought the Empire closer to civil war than if he had just told them.
What about in apocalypse, doesn't lt Heyd talk about meeting Dorn? Ive haven't read it in awhile I may be wrong
Really primaris are really what the emperor wanted for the marines look at the thunderwarriors they were a great tool but only in terra in the unification wars but in space they were not really great with all the flaws they have and those were some big flaws,marines are tools people can get mad and say lazy writing but marines are still tools and if you CAN make better tool why would you don't do it? Dorn jaghatai vulkan they were the ones with a more open mind and I don't think they would overthink this
I wonder how close Primaris and the marines of Corax's raptor project are to each other.
RGs master plan was to get his Smurfs on the front of all GW packaging. Ultramarines, Ultra Yawn.
Cawl is the Emperor or a fragment of him. You see that in the Great Work. The soul merge with Sedayne….
Seriously? But did he though? Is this OG Canon or some bs add in retcon monkey biz
Why wouldnt The Lion be Lord Commander directly after the Heresy?
I'm never going to like the primaris. I tried but I just can't
It’s been years and I still have no idea what a virtual gift voucher is or what it does or how to get one.
I'm just glad GW came up with the primaris. Lol
SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! You've been warned. I think Belisarius Cawl will find Nykona Sharrowkyn who is stranded on a space station in the Sol system and in possession of the Sangprimus Portum. This would explain how Cawl was able to make improvements. I so hope that's the case as I want Nykona to return to the setting.
Still hoping for drama where none exist.
Guilliman has to tell his brothers. Secrets are what caused the heresy to begin with, and he knows this. If the emperor would have told his sons about the web way, then there is a very likely chance that Magnus would never have fallen. Heck if the emperor would have been honest with at least his primarchs, lorgar might not have fallen! If lorgar doesnt fall, the heresy never happens. 🤷🏻♂️
I think russ would have the most issue with the primaris project, and would probably fight guilliman behind closed doors, but ultimately accept the way guilliman is going
When is” the scouring” books going to come out?
Didn't he take over Lord Commander from Dorn after his disappeared? So only the Khan, Russ, and Vulkan were left by that point. The Lion and Corax went awol very early on in the Scouring. So he'd really only be able to tell those remaining Primarch's. Given Bjorn and the Wolves didn't seem to have any idea about the Primaris in the Wolf Time book I think it's safe to say he didn't tell Russ so why would he have told Khan or Vulkan? I guess they may retcon the timeline so Robute is last man standing of the Primarchs after HH. Also, the Big E gave Robute his sword in M42 so must have been cool with the Primaris project.
x1.25 speed for a good time.
This primaris lore is painful...
I don't know if the Primaris project would be quite as much of a deal breaker as you might think with the other Primarchs. Particularly with Dorn, Corax, and Vulkan. Honestly it could have been an attempt to placate Dorn's concerns about the Codex Astartes. One of the biggest sticking points with Dorn was that the Legions were a concentration of force that could be sent to repel a sudden external threat to the Imperium. He didn't think the new chapters would be able to counter a huge threat like the Rangdan or an ork Waagh like the one that the Crusade defeated on Ullanor. That this concern is actually ridiculous since you'd still have the same number of Astartes as before but with even better quality control, command, control, and communication in the chapter structure is something that should have occurred to Dorn but at any rate doesn't really matter. The Primaris project is effectively a vastly superior version of the Last Wall protocol. Honestly if it weren't for GW's hard on for Bobby G and lack of imagination I'd amazed that Dorn wasn't the one responsible for the Primaris project or at least in on it. Dorn wanted to have a backup plan for in case the Traitor Legions returned. This is the one that makes the most sense and Dorn is an eminently sensible Primarch. He may have had an initial gut reaction to the Primaris project, especially the improved space marines angle but due to the fact that it's exactly what the Emperor would do in their situation except He probably would have implemented it straight away instead of locking it up for ten thousand years for the sake of plot convenience.
This may sound odd but what if the Primarus were brought about by Guilluman's brothers I remember reading that Crawl went farther then Guilluman might have intended for improvements to the space marines. What if there were conditions for breaking down the legions, I can’t really see Russ or Dorn turning down stronger and more stable warriors everyones knows the space marine project was rushed by the emperor. What if they also had a hand in the creation of the Primarus to take things even further then Guilluman planned, it would explain how Crawl keeper them secret on Mars for so long, I don't think one primarc could pull something like that off in the sol system even the Lord commander but three might just be able to.
Crwals had ten thousand years to work on the Primarus and I know the emperor didn't work on the space marines by himself he just push it faster then might have practical. The Primarus might just be the finished product because the emperor simply didn't have time to finish the them because he needed to launch the great crusade he did seem like he rushed a few things the emperor
IMO I can't see any primarch being mad about primaris. (To my knowledge) the primarchs know about the thunder warriors, and they know about the custodians both were better then standard space marines. Like it or not they're bio weapons, and since there is not a single legion that has not suffered defeat at one point or another, it's safe to say there is room for improvement. The anger if any would come from attachment to their sons.
Dorn should be fine with Primaris. If he knew back then. Corax was allowed the same privilege. It may happen with Russ or Lion though
Do you think Dorn would ask big e would bring back sigusmund if the emporer gave him the chance?
6:18 Guilliman himself has described the Primaris as Cawl’s blasphemous creations.
I think it's less about what he would do and more about which direction GW wants to take the story. See GoT season 8.
What? Wasnt it declared already? Or everything got retconned and what retcon even means lol im confused.
Oh they are going to flip when they find out that some of them are from traitor Legion's expecially russ.
Corax might have something to tell Guilliman about improving marines... Nevermore
I think Guilliman is about two minutes away from having a full blown mental break down because Lorgar won in the end and is still laughing at the state of the imperial faith to this day
Rho! Great video. Great Questions! Firing up the new year with elan!
I thought russ was all for the idea of the chapters, he just didn't agree with the restrictions on numbers, that was the entire point of the Wolf Brothers
Hope they flush it out alot better so they stop making fans angry. Also hope to see more Primarch talks with each other
Interesting take here, Rho. I think it would be a great development for primaris
I feel like he would have at least consulted with Corax seeing as how he was messing about with his Legion's geneseed as well.
Safe to assume Lion and Alpharius know, not so sure about Ferris and Sanguinus
Well if that’s true, it’s important to help rebuild the legion’s depleted numbers and need reinforcements in time of need.
I expect a war between for first born and primaris.
That’d be beyond stupid.
Primaris suck.
The Emperor must have been forced to initiate the great crusade earlier. Than his original intentions.
Primaris clearly is closer to the Astartes he originally intended to crusade across the galaxy.
Ths Emperor fighting enemies beyond mortal man's eyes and minds. Across space and time.
Yeah, I’m thinking the Emperor foresaw another alien race ready to conquer the galaxy once the warp storms blew over, and was in a race against time to beat them to the punch. That’s probably the basis of the Rangdan Xenocides, with the Imperium confronting that alien force. Had the Great Crusade started later, the Imperium would’ve probably lost that war.
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Interesting. Thank you
The plan is for thousands of years away. The primarchs can be turned and the more people know, the greater the chance of it being compromised. So keeping the secret is advisable. Tell the custodes and Malcador at best, that way they could spearhead the initiative if Guilliman falls.
Gulliman could have discussed this with both Cawl and the Emperor.
Cawl could have got the blessing of the Emperor as the Emperor could no longer do it himself.
it would also explain Corax's support for Guilliman - afterall he was undertaking the Raptor project himself with the Emperor's blessing.
Also, Corax is a pragmatist and his legion's strength was/is _heavily_ depleted.
Plz just just talk normally, (no offense) popular youtuber they don't frustrate their listeners with slow talking. I keep seeing these vids then clicking away are you trying to make it sound epic or something? Anyways the algorithm will see I can't watch these vids soon so bye
Personal theory: the emperor tasked alpharius to get the data of the raptors and then thanks to horus sabotage the raptors made
Didn't the Emperor give Corax the keys to some special vault for getting improved Raven Guard geneseed in the first place? 🤔
Robute Gulieman is NOT the EMPEROR!!
You're acting like the Primaris project was created with the goal of actually helping and not as a legion of Manchurian Candidates with which he could seize completely control until Fulgrim bodied him.
The God Emperor needs to return to save humanity from itself and chaos! And the Angel shall follow....
As the leader of humanity and the creator of the Primarchs... he's literally played the biggest role in humanity being in it's current state, albeit unintentionally.
I remember when Bobby G fired thousands of copies of the codex at the Phalanx.
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