I’m 20 exactly almost 21. My levels were tested at 260 unbelievably low. And I’ve felt it forever and glad I found this out. I could never lose weight unless I literally starved myself and could never gain muscle no matter how disciplined I am. Can’t wait to start treatment and see my life improve
I hopped on TRT at 25 years old. I tried enclomiphene to boost my 367ng level but it didn’t work. TRT is a god send. Don’t be afraid of long term side effects- men die young anyways. Would you rather live 80 years as a fat fuck watching nfl all day or would you rather optimize and live life to the fullest for potentially 5 less years? Low T is detrimental to your health, much more than that of TRT.
I'm not really aware of any evidence that TRT when done properly with your other things monitored, will shorten lifespan in humans. I've seen plenty of evidence that it is cardioprotective as long as your don't bring E2 down low and is metabolically healthier for you.
I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
I’m 24, I tested at 320. This year, my hair has thinned, my weight has skyrocketed, and I also have libido issues. I’ve been in great shape for a long time, I’ve lost all motivation to goto the gym because I’m physically so fatigued, i couldn’t even play 9 holes at golf. My doctor says I’m fine, and there’s nothing wrong. But truthfully I don’t think so. I don’t have a specialist near by who can take my insurance and if they do they are a month+ out. I just am so lost at the moment and I’ve been on every damn vitamin in the planet, I literally meal prep, and I also drink plenty of water as well. Interestingly, my fathers blood work came out at 258, at 56 years old. So I’m 1/2 his age and almost have the same level of testosterone. Interesting.
at what age did you noticed symptoms of lower test levels, im about to turn 21 in november and my libido has been shot down by some testerone grim reaper.
How is your sleep and sex life . Those are the biggest factors for libido and overall wellness . 7-9 hours of sleep , workout for no more than 3-4 days a week and EAT. Do not restrict your calories make it’s wholesome meals . and have sex one a week . Get back to us in 6 months
I'm an older lifter and to me a lot of this low T in younger guys is there jobs and lifestyle. If you have a sedentary job, take 10 minute breaks to go walk or climb stairs. Do that part of your lunch break also. Yes there are some guys that have a medical issue. But I see a lot of young guys on UA-cam. Saying they need TRT but they are screwing up their bodies. Trying to stay lean 365 days a year to get girls and followers. Partying, not sleeping, eating like crap. All these things crash your bodies ability to produce testosterone and build muscle. In the gym work on progression. Meaning try to add a rep to at least 1 set, each workout. And do the big compound lifts first in your workouts, in whatever rep range you like. You can build strength and muscle with low reps or high reps. Don't do curls first. Do pull-ups or chin-ups first. Don't do leg extensions first, do squats or leg presses. 💪🏾
Micro plastics man, they fucked up the sex hormones of an entire generation. We’re literally surrounded by artificially made estrogens in our day to day life. All these trans people and guys with no muscle and obesity isn’t just a coincidence. We’ve been fucked without even being able to control it. I workout and sleep well and eat well and still I feel the depressive and low energy effects of it.
Phthalates in our environment from plastics have been shown to negatively effect testosterone. The fact that it has measurable effects on animals as well as humans suggests this is significant. I'm not ignoring the fact that most men make poor lifestyle choices with diet, sleep, and lack of exercise, but this is definitely a factor if you're otherwise healthy.
I believe this trend of low testosterone in young lifters today stems from high cotrisol levels. Most of these guys have low totals but their free levels are normal. This shows that it's more a lifestyle thing rather than an underlying issue. Why do these young lifters have high cortisol?? Simple answer. They're all pre-workout junkies. All these lifters are hooked on these pre-workout supps that have 400mgs of caff per scoop. THis amount of caff elevated adrenaline and cortisol so much, and the most messed up part is that these guys all think these supps are a crucial part of their supp stack. I'm not against caffeine or pre-workout at all. But if you take it, don't depend on it. I personally drink a cup of coffee a day and take pre only on those days i need to train and didn't have enough sleep the night prior. When I do take caffeine, I have some sort of a cortisol blocker with it. This could be theanine or ashwaghanda. Lastly, I believe there's this weird trend about testosterone, where the fitness and health industry want us young men to be obsessed with it so that we can go on trt. I predict in the next 10-15 yrs, young guys on trt will be as common as young women on birth control. Not to go into consipiracy territory, but the idea of society having a control on our hormones and ability to reproduce is super fishy.
Possibly to do with the chronic stress of modern life compared to the acute stress of life in the past, which probably raised testosterone levels, if anything. Also the trt clinics are at least in part scams as you mention.
I don't think this generation of men is anymore stressed than that of my dad's or before, but I think we expose ourselves to a lot more endocrine disruptors, whether its plastics, body sprays, poor food choices... I think the problem runs deeper than we might think
@@DaBrute I agree with you tbh. The things that my dad's generation went through was objectively more stressful. But I think guys of today, are physiologically in a more stressed state. Just think about. They eat like shit, stay up till 4am playing games, they down pre workout multiple times a day. Now, the realities they go through day to day are not as harsh or risky as the shit out dads went through, but still, physically guys of td are putting themselves in a state of high cotrisol which leads to low T production
Im 24 and if for some reason I had low test the last thing I would do is get TRT. Look at your sleeping habits, diet, nutrition, and how much you physically exercise first. Make sure all of that is optimized and then if you still have symptoms go to a doctor and get your test done. Most men don’t have pituitary gland issues. Most men live shitty lifestyles and don’t optimize the best years of their life. If you exercise and eat right I bet most people would naturally get higher test.
I'm 25. Test was 520. Went down to 470 after losing body fat in a low deficit, gaining some muscle, etc. Life went to shit. Feel like shit. Body far now is going up. Was at 30+, got to 15, back at 17. Got on TRT. Not spending the best years of my life feeling like shit. Buuuuut probably going to come off. Something about jabbing myself doesn't feel right although ive already seen some benefits. GP put me on antidepressants which made everything worse, said i need vitamin D when i already supplement with vitamin D and a good amount of vitamins as is for months.
Exactly. This whole “low normal” is such bullshit. The youngest any man aged 18-25 should be, as long as their lifestyle is completely messed up, is like 450 ng/dL. If it’s below 400, god forbid in the 250-350 and your lifestyle is at least ok, hop on it. I guarantee most young men in 1950 did not have test levels of 300 or 350.
I was at the same age with the same numbers as this guy. I responded to clomid, but decided to go on hgc and test (I let my estradiol do its own thing, no ai) and feel great 6-7 years later. My thyroid was fine (tested ft3, ft4 too etc), cortisol 4x day panel was fine, etc etc. No root cause could be determined. Idk, probably shit in the environment
@@jonasleonas173 Both came back normal. Prolactin was double normal range once randomly on a test so we even tried cabergoline for a bit, but its always been normal otherwise.
Just tested and got 157 ng/dL. Tested 5 other times. One time it was around 550 but the other 4 times it was in the 200’s and 100’s. I was diagnosed with varicocele when I was 12/13 years old and nothing was done about it. I’m 26 now and every urogloist I talk to practically mocks me and tells me it could never be my varicocele since it’s apparently small. I try to explain that yes it’s small in the morning because I’ve been sleeping horizontally for 8 hours but at night it gets a lot bigger. I truly think my varicocele is causing my low t but the idiot urologists I’m dealing with just mock me
Don’t go to a trt clinic for a diagnosis though. You need a proper clinical diagnosis and to come to your own conclusion from that. Trt clinics are a safe legal way to get hormones but they’re cynical businesses as well.
The normal ranges have nothing to do with quality of life, obviously there’s a world of difference between 320 and 850 ng/dL. There’s a saying, if your medical problem isn’t in your doctors top ten greatest hits, your experience will most likely be a bad one.
I’m 26, and my total test levels came back at 180 ng/dl. I only slept about 6hrs during the day of the test. & I tested at 1pm. I know this wasn’t the ideal way to test but 180ng/dl is still too low regardless right ? Should I expect to to get normal or high normal if I get enough sleep during day of test and re-test in the morning?
I'm 39 and tested at 147 ng/dl in the morning when technically mens testosterone levels are supposed to be at their highest. Honestly I think that for some people such as myself our levels just run very low. Other than my testosterone levels being extremely low I'm in excellent health according to all my other health screenings. Having such low levels doesn't really make me feel so terrible as people describe. I do not really feel overly fatigued or feel weak or anything I'm sure it's not the same for everyone with levels as low as mine and I'm certain it's not good medically to be at 147ng/dl but it is what it is and I could always get the treatment but I'm not feeling at this moment in my life that it's worth the cost. To answer your question in my opinion some people just run extremely low and their bodies compensate for it. I'm not sure if this is the case with you but I'm certain it's the case with me.
I’m 18 low t like idk how 😭 I work out everyday not really fat just skinny fat and I can’t even lose it and I got get turned on when tryna do the deed😭😭😭
Chemicals in food and tapwater are GIANT. Also, all the things that were put into American society back in your day DID have birth affects on younger generation. The avg test for a 20 year old male is same as a 60 year old from 20 years ago
I just found out that my bioavailable test was at 102 and my total was 488 my shit is way low. I eat healthy and train regularly with weights. I also smoke unfortunately and am on Suboxone but my doctor said the smoking and Suboxone shouldn't affect it. I'm trying to get into a specialist but alot of them are backed up and can't get patients in a reasonable time frame but I'm still trying
Bro your doctor is full of shit. The Suboxone 100% kills your test for most people everyone is obviously different but it has damn near castrated me and have been doing a ton of research of peoples testimonies and blood work and it kills it. Try lowering your dose to 2-4mg that’s where I start to get my function down there at. Levels were 350 on 12mgs daily. Work out, eat healthy, everything in good shape. But any opioid will kill T.
How old are you? I feel same way. I’ve been lifting and surfing for 8 years and look like a teenager. I’m waiting to get back from study abroad I’m testing. Same shit if I’m below 400 and I’m coming in fully prepared to demand trt
@@bruhman8005 19 lmao but I’ve been lifting for years definitely gonna train my ass off these next couple of years. Definitely need to test again because now I’m taking my zinc and magnesium supplements and I have scheduled on my diet and getting sun
@@bruhman8005 The clinic I went to did not even require a blood test to prescribe. Solely based on symptoms and the questionnaire.... Just in case you were wondering 🤷♂️
So what if it comes down to something as simple as something in your water causes your body to have low testosterone or caffeine stimulants something there’s a problem there’s a reason that’s causing men to drop their testosterone let’s start filling the pothole gentlemen let’s find the problem putting Band-Aids over the wound
I’m 20 exactly almost 21. My levels were tested at 260 unbelievably low. And I’ve felt it forever and glad I found this out. I could never lose weight unless I literally starved myself and could never gain muscle no matter how disciplined I am. Can’t wait to start treatment and see my life improve
Did u start already?
How Is It Going ? I’m 21 And Experiencing Bad Anxiety , Tired And I’m Sure It’s Low Test
@@El7DeLa9 what type of treatment!!
. They are talking abour
Your treatment should start with 6 months of exercise 7-9 hours sleep , have sex , and healthy 3 big meals a day .
Same bro I’m 18 can’t gain muscle tried and can even get turned on
I hopped on TRT at 25 years old. I tried enclomiphene to boost my 367ng level but it didn’t work. TRT is a god send. Don’t be afraid of long term side effects- men die young anyways. Would you rather live 80 years as a fat fuck watching nfl all day or would you rather optimize and live life to the fullest for potentially 5 less years? Low T is detrimental to your health, much more than that of TRT.
💯
I think the risk of death is a bit more severe than 5 years shorter.
Brother, it will cause urination problems and infertility in future.
Bro trt will help you get to 80. Being fat and lethargic you won't make it to 70.
I'm not really aware of any evidence that TRT when done properly with your other things monitored, will shorten lifespan in humans. I've seen plenty of evidence that it is cardioprotective as long as your don't bring E2 down low and is metabolically healthier for you.
I went from 334 to 960 in around 3 months all natural no TRT. This book should be essential reading for all men. Written by a 50s guy with natural T levels of a 20s guy
Complete guide to testosterone by james Francis
I’m 24, I tested at 320. This year, my hair has thinned, my weight has skyrocketed, and I also have libido issues. I’ve been in great shape for a long time, I’ve lost all motivation to goto the gym because I’m physically so fatigued, i couldn’t even play 9 holes at golf. My doctor says I’m fine, and there’s nothing wrong. But truthfully I don’t think so. I don’t have a specialist near by who can take my insurance and if they do they are a month+ out. I just am so lost at the moment and I’ve been on every damn vitamin in the planet, I literally meal prep, and I also drink plenty of water as well. Interestingly, my fathers blood work came out at 258, at 56 years old. So I’m 1/2 his age and almost have the same level of testosterone. Interesting.
Estrogenic endocrine disruptors, its a agenda
These doctors wont help with that
at what age did you noticed symptoms of lower test levels, im about to turn 21 in november and my libido has been shot down by some testerone grim reaper.
How is your sleep and sex life . Those are the biggest factors for libido and overall wellness . 7-9 hours of sleep , workout for no more than 3-4 days a week and EAT. Do not restrict your calories make it’s wholesome meals . and have sex one a week . Get back to us in 6 months
@@APR702 how can he have sex life bro when his libido is down? It’s a chicken and egg type of thing right? Agreed about the other stuff tho.
Facing the same problem at 20 years old. I'm tired of this problem 😴
I'm an older lifter and to me a lot of this low T in younger guys is there jobs and lifestyle. If you have a sedentary job, take 10 minute breaks to go walk or climb stairs. Do that part of your lunch break also. Yes there are some guys that have a medical issue. But I see a lot of young guys on UA-cam. Saying they need TRT but they are screwing up their bodies. Trying to stay lean 365 days a year to get girls and followers. Partying, not sleeping, eating like crap. All these things crash your bodies ability to produce testosterone and build muscle.
In the gym work on progression. Meaning try to add a rep to at least 1 set, each workout. And do the big compound lifts first in your workouts, in whatever rep range you like. You can build strength and muscle with low reps or high reps. Don't do curls first. Do pull-ups or chin-ups first. Don't do leg extensions first, do squats or leg presses. 💪🏾
Its Estrogenic endocrine disruptors, its a agenda
These doctors wont help with that
You dont evne know what youre talking about
Micro plastics man, they fucked up the sex hormones of an entire generation. We’re literally surrounded by artificially made estrogens in our day to day life. All these trans people and guys with no muscle and obesity isn’t just a coincidence. We’ve been fucked without even being able to control it. I workout and sleep well and eat well and still I feel the depressive and low energy effects of it.
Selfishly, the best part of this video is finding out the forum is free
Phthalates in our environment from plastics have been shown to negatively effect testosterone. The fact that it has measurable effects on animals as well as humans suggests this is significant. I'm not ignoring the fact that most men make poor lifestyle choices with diet, sleep, and lack of exercise, but this is definitely a factor if you're otherwise healthy.
Estrogenic endocrine disruptors, its a agenda
These doctors wont help with that
I believe this trend of low testosterone in young lifters today stems from high cotrisol levels. Most of these guys have low totals but their free levels are normal. This shows that it's more a lifestyle thing rather than an underlying issue. Why do these young lifters have high cortisol??
Simple answer.
They're all pre-workout junkies. All these lifters are hooked on these pre-workout supps that have 400mgs of caff per scoop. THis amount of caff elevated adrenaline and cortisol so much, and the most messed up part is that these guys all think these supps are a crucial part of their supp stack. I'm not against caffeine or pre-workout at all. But if you take it, don't depend on it. I personally drink a cup of coffee a day and take pre only on those days i need to train and didn't have enough sleep the night prior. When I do take caffeine, I have some sort of a cortisol blocker with it. This could be theanine or ashwaghanda.
Lastly, I believe there's this weird trend about testosterone, where the fitness and health industry want us young men to be obsessed with it so that we can go on trt. I predict in the next 10-15 yrs, young guys on trt will be as common as young women on birth control. Not to go into consipiracy territory, but the idea of society having a control on our hormones and ability to reproduce is super fishy.
Possibly to do with the chronic stress of modern life compared to the acute stress of life in the past, which probably raised testosterone levels, if anything. Also the trt clinics are at least in part scams as you mention.
I second this!
I don't think this generation of men is anymore stressed than that of my dad's or before, but I think we expose ourselves to a lot more endocrine disruptors, whether its plastics, body sprays, poor food choices... I think the problem runs deeper than we might think
@@DaBrute I agree with you tbh. The things that my dad's generation went through was objectively more stressful. But I think guys of today, are physiologically in a more stressed state. Just think about. They eat like shit, stay up till 4am playing games, they down pre workout multiple times a day. Now, the realities they go through day to day are not as harsh or risky as the shit out dads went through, but still, physically guys of td are putting themselves in a state of high cotrisol which leads to low T production
Very interesting last point. I'm not a conspiracist, but somewhat agree with you 👍🏾
Im 24 and if for some reason I had low test the last thing I would do is get TRT. Look at your sleeping habits, diet, nutrition, and how much you physically exercise first. Make sure all of that is optimized and then if you still have symptoms go to a doctor and get your test done. Most men don’t have pituitary gland issues. Most men live shitty lifestyles and don’t optimize the best years of their life. If you exercise and eat right I bet most people would naturally get higher test.
Also quit drinking and inhaling sugary energy drinks, big time Low T causes
I'm 25. Test was 520. Went down to 470 after losing body fat in a low deficit, gaining some muscle, etc. Life went to shit. Feel like shit. Body far now is going up. Was at 30+, got to 15, back at 17.
Got on TRT. Not spending the best years of my life feeling like shit.
Buuuuut probably going to come off. Something about jabbing myself doesn't feel right although ive already seen some benefits.
GP put me on antidepressants which made everything worse, said i need vitamin D when i already supplement with vitamin D and a good amount of vitamins as is for months.
Hop on trt . Young men are walking around with the testosterone of 70 year old men 🤦🏿♂️
Exactly. This whole “low normal” is such bullshit. The youngest any man aged 18-25 should be, as long as their lifestyle is completely messed up, is like 450 ng/dL. If it’s below 400, god forbid in the 250-350 and your lifestyle is at least ok, hop on it. I guarantee most young men in 1950 did not have test levels of 300 or 350.
Exactly. My test level was at 60 when i got tested
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I was at the same age with the same numbers as this guy. I responded to clomid, but decided to go on hgc and test (I let my estradiol do its own thing, no ai) and feel great 6-7 years later.
My thyroid was fine (tested ft3, ft4 too etc), cortisol 4x day panel was fine, etc etc. No root cause could be determined. Idk, probably shit in the environment
Did you do Pituitary MRI? What about Vericocele scan using Ultrasound?
@@jonasleonas173 Both came back normal. Prolactin was double normal range once randomly on a test so we even tried cabergoline for a bit, but its always been normal otherwise.
Just tested and got 157 ng/dL. Tested 5 other times. One time it was around 550 but the other 4 times it was in the 200’s and 100’s. I was diagnosed with varicocele when I was 12/13 years old and nothing was done about it. I’m 26 now and every urogloist I talk to practically mocks me and tells me it could never be my varicocele since it’s apparently small. I try to explain that yes it’s small in the morning because I’ve been sleeping horizontally for 8 hours but at night it gets a lot bigger. I truly think my varicocele is causing my low t but the idiot urologists I’m dealing with just mock me
Check Hamza's channel, after he got the surgery for varicocele he said he felt like a huge surge of testosterone in his body.
@@TheRealCookify do you know what kind of procedure he got?
did u figure it out?
Can you reach out to Derek at MPMD? He has a clinic and stuff like this may flag as having an underlying issue.
Don’t go to a trt clinic for a diagnosis though. You need a proper clinical diagnosis and to come to your own conclusion from that. Trt clinics are a safe legal way to get hormones but they’re cynical businesses as well.
The normal ranges have nothing to do with quality of life, obviously there’s a world of difference between 320 and 850 ng/dL. There’s a saying, if your medical problem isn’t in your doctors top ten greatest hits, your experience will most likely be a bad one.
I’m 26, and my total test levels came back at 180 ng/dl. I only slept about 6hrs during the day of the test. & I tested at 1pm.
I know this wasn’t the ideal way to test but 180ng/dl is still too low regardless right ?
Should I expect to to get normal or high normal if I get enough sleep during day of test and re-test in the morning?
Do you normally sleep 6 hours? or you get at least 7+?
I'm 39 and tested at 147 ng/dl in the morning when technically mens testosterone levels are supposed to be at their highest. Honestly I think that for some people such as myself our levels just run very low. Other than my testosterone levels being extremely low I'm in excellent health according to all my other health screenings. Having such low levels doesn't really make me feel so terrible as people describe. I do not really feel overly fatigued or feel weak or anything I'm sure it's not the same for everyone with levels as low as mine and I'm certain it's not good medically to be at 147ng/dl but it is what it is and I could always get the treatment but I'm not feeling at this moment in my life that it's worth the cost. To answer your question in my opinion some people just run extremely low and their bodies compensate for it. I'm not sure if this is the case with you but I'm certain it's the case with me.
Determine whether or not it's primary or secondary hypogonadism. Then go with HCG/Enclomiphene if it's secondary, or TRT if it's primary.
I’m 18 low t like idk how 😭 I work out everyday not really fat just skinny fat and I can’t even lose it and I got get turned on when tryna do the deed😭😭😭
Same what was your test levels? Mine was 145 ng/dl for total test and 2.2pg/ml for free test. Both FSH/LH/prolactin came back normal
I'm 72 year old and my test level is 690 and all natural. I don't understand how these young guys are bottoming out like that.
Any advice for us?
Yes, stop smoking tobacco, eat good food, keep your alcohol to minimum, workout at least 3 times a week and get good sleep.
Blame china
Chemicals in food and tapwater are GIANT. Also, all the things that were put into American society back in your day DID have birth affects on younger generation. The avg test for a 20 year old male is same as a 60 year old from 20 years ago
They don't make em like real men anymore
I just found out that my bioavailable test was at 102 and my total was 488 my shit is way low. I eat healthy and train regularly with weights. I also smoke unfortunately and am on Suboxone but my doctor said the smoking and Suboxone shouldn't affect it. I'm trying to get into a specialist but alot of them are backed up and can't get patients in a reasonable time frame but I'm still trying
What are your symptoms?
They are 100% affecting it. Do your research fuck what the “doctor “ says . They only know what’s in their text book
@@APR702 yes I agree. The doctor is a physician at a Suboxone clinic so they have a financial incentive to lie
Bro your doctor is full of shit. The Suboxone 100% kills your test for most people everyone is obviously different but it has damn near castrated me and have been doing a ton of research of peoples testimonies and blood work and it kills it. Try lowering your dose to 2-4mg that’s where I start to get my function down there at. Levels were 350 on 12mgs daily. Work out, eat healthy, everything in good shape. But any opioid will kill T.
When I test next year if I have lower then 400 I’m juicing hard af
How old are you? I feel same way. I’ve been lifting and surfing for 8 years and look like a teenager. I’m waiting to get back from study abroad I’m testing. Same shit if I’m below 400 and I’m coming in fully prepared to demand trt
@@bruhman8005 19 lmao but I’ve been lifting for years definitely gonna train my ass off these next couple of years. Definitely need to test again because now I’m taking my zinc and magnesium supplements and I have scheduled on my diet and getting sun
@@bruhman8005 The clinic I went to did not even require a blood test to prescribe. Solely based on symptoms and the questionnaire.... Just in case you were wondering 🤷♂️
😂
Can we get a doctor for test from the covid shot to see if it has effects
😬😬😬😬😬😬😅😅
read Bronze Age Mindset to raise free test
Based
Based!
Masturbation will lower testosterone.
Bro what
Not true
It does yes
So what if it comes down to something as simple as something in your water causes your body to have low testosterone or caffeine stimulants something there’s a problem there’s a reason that’s causing men to drop their testosterone let’s start filling the pothole gentlemen let’s find the problem putting Band-Aids over the wound