The Snell Helmet Standard is Meaningless

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  • Опубліковано 25 лип 2021
  • Snell-certified motorbike helmets are a hallmark of safety. But last year, something sneaky happened. And it changes everything.
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  • @techno_tuna
    @techno_tuna 3 роки тому +3331

    This is why you don't get invited to press events
    keep it up

    • @thepioneer6178
      @thepioneer6178 3 роки тому +36

      That sounds like a threat, you work for Snell?

    • @rash500m
      @rash500m 3 роки тому +60

      @@thepioneer6178 he said keep it up, so definetely not a treath ;)

    • @FadilKarim
      @FadilKarim 3 роки тому +54

      That's when you know he's doing something right!

    • @motorcityoctane6713
      @motorcityoctane6713 3 роки тому +85

      That's why they don't give Ryan lots of bikes to review as well. He doesn't BS the viewers with fake or paid reviews.

    • @Racer57
      @Racer57 3 роки тому +38

      @@motorcityoctane6713 The hero we all needed.

  • @jimhufford7328
    @jimhufford7328 3 роки тому +817

    Read an article several years ago where an unnamed helmet seller said, "'First we make it Snell, then we make it safe."

    • @highball7347
      @highball7347 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah that’s found nowhere on the internet. Need more detail.

    • @justcommenting4981
      @justcommenting4981 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@highball7347 not everything is on the internet. It's a random quote from an unnamed article.

  • @jimmorrison306
    @jimmorrison306 3 роки тому +907

    Sounds like Snell is in the business of staying in business.

    • @LTVoyager
      @LTVoyager 3 роки тому +13

      Ah, yeah, like every other business, organization and government.

    • @MK-hb3xc
      @MK-hb3xc 3 роки тому +33

      Snell served a good purpose when they started, and still do with their automotive standards and possible some of their other standards. The fact is the ECE standard has just caught up and surpassed them in being relevant. Snell really should simply abandon the motorcycle helmet market, but that might cut a big chunk of revenue from their pockets.

    • @kurtjustiniani1354
      @kurtjustiniani1354 3 роки тому +20

      That's what happens when you got hard headed people running an organization/company. They don't typically adjust to the times and trends and often than not, get left behind. In short complacency. (See Kodak, Nokia and other companies that were not relevant today)

    • @mike.thomas
      @mike.thomas 3 роки тому +11

      @@kurtjustiniani1354 “Hard headed”. I see what you did there :-).

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 3 роки тому +14

      Would make sense for them to keep their standards as they are and state that it's intended for race car driving, not motorcycling. That would be of benefit to both motorcyclists and race car drivers. Problem with that, the reason they don't take that approach, is that far fewer helmets are sold for race car driving than for motorcycling. They'd rather have a meaningless standard on a lot of helmets than a relevant one on a few. Profit above mission, apparently.

  • @kaptein1247
    @kaptein1247 3 роки тому +989

    ''If the name can mean 2 different things, does it mean anything?'' Thats a quote to remember

    • @Vcen7
      @Vcen7 3 роки тому +28

      And the answer is always: "Yes. It means whatever is the worst version for you, will be the one you get. Always."

    • @workingguy6666
      @workingguy6666 3 роки тому +8

      like the Ford Mustang, for example? Jesus, Ford fucked that up.

    • @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
      @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah! Fuck the word "wound"!
      Lee: "Stop getting me wound up Brenda!"
      Brenda: "Wound up? I haven't stabbed you yet! How did you know I had a knife?"

    • @itsjustsid3502
      @itsjustsid3502 Рік тому +3

      Funny thing, reminds me of the word woman now....

    • @thehouseofcrumblingidols2694
      @thehouseofcrumblingidols2694 Рік тому +4

      What is a woman?

  • @Choo-choo-chookcha
    @Choo-choo-chookcha 3 роки тому +1628

    I’ll say it first: Ryan F9 didn’t kill himself!

    • @billmcmeekin7909
      @billmcmeekin7909 3 роки тому +27

      Don't think he's getting a Snell Xmas gift this year, lol

    • @mtdew992
      @mtdew992 3 роки тому +39

      @@billmcmeekin7909 judging by the info he just provided, who would want one anyhow 😂

    • @creamydonk
      @creamydonk 3 роки тому +98

      We're going to find him with two self-inflicted blunt force impacts to the same spot on the back of his head

    • @drp4783
      @drp4783 3 роки тому +3

      @@creamydonk 😂

    • @nutriacubica
      @nutriacubica 3 роки тому +11

      @@creamydonk They will not throw him off the moving vehicle after done tho because they be damned to partake in variable force impacts.

  • @georgempouk
    @georgempouk 3 роки тому +404

    i just love that he puts his sources everytime

    • @rhaynhillyard9772
      @rhaynhillyard9772 3 роки тому +22

      As should be done, hate people that claim shit and can't back it up

    • @franklinlucaslima
      @franklinlucaslima 3 роки тому +6

      Aka science

    • @Ughandi
      @Ughandi 3 роки тому +4

      So does his science teacher.

    • @dankorolyk5917
      @dankorolyk5917 3 роки тому +4

      Another brilliant episode telling like it is!

    • @Jnolet88
      @Jnolet88 3 роки тому +2

      Crazy to see real investigative journalism

  • @flarue3678
    @flarue3678 Рік тому +144

    Your mention of the journalist that got fired prompted me into reading the whole story. Corporate values, economic interests, honest journalism, advertising dollars and personal vendettas aside, a really sad story for all of those involved.

    • @FortNine
      @FortNine  Рік тому +64

      "Sad" is the perfect way to describe it. No winners in the long run. ~RF9

  • @connergunnoe5576
    @connergunnoe5576 3 роки тому +375

    I’m glad I watched this video and you are exactly correct Ryan! I just finished the riding academy at our local Harley Davidson and in the class they gave us a little Snell flyer that basically showed a graphic putting Snell’s standard way up and above what the ECE standard is. So Snell is still trying to trash on the European standards to keep those helmets out of our market here in the US and they’re doing it by targeting the least informed crowd of riders out there. Newbies like myself! I will be looking for an ece helmet for sure. Thanks for the great content!

    • @anthonysimoes7307
      @anthonysimoes7307 2 роки тому +17

      But it was a class full of Harley riders so 95% I'm guessing we open face helmets anyways which are knowhere near as safe as almost every full face no matter what sticker is on it.

    • @emiloguechoons9030
      @emiloguechoons9030 Рік тому

      American Capitalism at its finest, who cares if your brain gets turned into road grease, as long as we make our money! Absolutely revolting, non-profit my a*s

    • @NotJustAnotherAverageJoe
      @NotJustAnotherAverageJoe 8 місяців тому

      @@anthonysimoes7307 helmets?

  • @miroslavmilan
    @miroslavmilan 3 роки тому +1012

    This isn’t even a UA-cam video anymore. It’s an art. It’s a masterpiece.

    • @stoneblue1795
      @stoneblue1795 3 роки тому +7

      More like what should be accredited course study on the topic, but I'm feeling your vibe.

    • @metalheads-golf
      @metalheads-golf 3 роки тому

      🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket 3 роки тому

      But what did you learn?

    • @uniearesende
      @uniearesende 3 роки тому +1

      Yes. It is a super production.

    • @theMightywooosh
      @theMightywooosh 3 роки тому

      was going to add a like, but let's just leave it at 420

  • @simplemeow6887
    @simplemeow6887 3 роки тому +493

    The Moviemaker is back to save our Brains.

    • @frednoble1833
      @frednoble1833 3 роки тому +4

      O fuckin 💘.love this man. He is a fuckin jenious. And explains. Very specifically. Why. HE VERY FUCKIN KOOL. LOVE LOVE LOVE HIM NIGHTFENCER GATEKEEPER. FREDDY FROM.NOBLE FENCE. BRAINTREE MASSACHUSETTS. I HAVE SEBERAL SICK MACHINES ONE ID THE 199I KAWASAKI ZRC 1100 EITH NITROUS OXIDE AND MANY ENGINE UPGRADES. VALVES. PORTED POLISHED. BALANC3D AND BLUEPRINTED MOTOR CRANK. LOTS OF TITANIUM. L8fters roller rocker cams. Rc engineering. Keblar CLUTCH ETC. .HOLY FUCK .

    • @SuperDinomagic
      @SuperDinomagic 3 роки тому +1

      Literally

    • @cesartapia610
      @cesartapia610 3 роки тому +1

      Ralphthemoviemaker

    • @rishi-m
      @rishi-m 3 роки тому

      @@frednoble1833 seems like a nice setup, cheers

  • @tpilot_error404
    @tpilot_error404 3 роки тому +119

    Fortnine : when endcredits are interesting to watch too.

  • @Razorshot-gk3dq
    @Razorshot-gk3dq Рік тому +54

    This video was one of the biggest reasons i went for an ECE certified helmet for my first helmet when i started riding. Thanks Ryan

  • @thomas316
    @thomas316 3 роки тому +4487

    It sounds like riders would be better off going for an ECE compliant helmet and ignoring Snell. 🤔

    • @DaemonViews
      @DaemonViews 3 роки тому +501

      It always has been

    • @tisFrancesfault
      @tisFrancesfault 3 роки тому +94

      They would be right to do so.

    • @noobasdfjkl
      @noobasdfjkl 3 роки тому +229

      Not really. Most tracks in the US require helmets to have SNELL certification to be allowed to ride there. That makes this a very sticky situation.

    • @randombuilds8336
      @randombuilds8336 3 роки тому +349

      ECE is actually safer than snell, has been for a while. DOT is kinda bare minimum.

    • @philipparana9225
      @philipparana9225 3 роки тому +248

      I skip ece and go for fim. If it's good enough for MotoGP good for me

  • @PricedDoughnut
    @PricedDoughnut 3 роки тому +461

    Good to see someone in the motorcycle journalism community talking about this. I never see much about it from other sources. And this is one of several videos Ryan has done to shed light on little known safety issues within motorcycling.

    • @SwainixFPV
      @SwainixFPV 3 роки тому +13

      And he states all his sources, like I'd pay RF9 money to keep making videos if he ever gets dropped from fortnine (would be crazy because for me he's the guy I follow and not the website but idk how it's run) or wants to take a different direction

    • @GabrielEtsHokin
      @GabrielEtsHokin 3 роки тому +4

      Um...I think Dexter Ford was "someone in the motorcycle journalism community."

    • @mrmark8603
      @mrmark8603 3 роки тому +2

      The magazines get too much advertising cash to question this.

  • @pilkjaer
    @pilkjaer 3 роки тому +120

    Damn, this production quality is off the charts. Great content!

  • @thurney4343
    @thurney4343 2 роки тому +94

    I love the 50"s film noire feel to this video. Nicely done Ryan! Hard to accept that Snell and DOT can't change and adapt to better and more realistic standards that save their customers. I guess they really don't care about improving, but are hard headed and care more about making money.

    • @RockandrollNegro
      @RockandrollNegro 2 роки тому +5

      "Hardheaded..." I see what you did there.

    • @SeraphimCramer
      @SeraphimCramer 2 роки тому +4

      Unfortunately, what else do you expect from America?

    • @darthnatas953
      @darthnatas953 Рік тому

      @@SeraphimCramer Maybe to dominate the world like we have been doing for the last 78 years.

    • @SeraphimCramer
      @SeraphimCramer Рік тому +2

      @@darthnatas953 Lol & there's the exact brand of American hard headedness & refusal to change I was talking about. We haven't dominated shit in the world in decades

    • @darthnatas953
      @darthnatas953 Рік тому +1

      @@SeraphimCramer The US economy is the largest in the world. Our military is the largest in the world. We have the most personal freedom in the world (in most states). US citizens have the largest per capita assets in the world. Our government spends the most money on the stupidest, most wasteful shit in the world. All this with very detrimental demographics compared with countries like Denmark, Sweden, etc. And in spite of half of US citizens either not working at all, or working for the government (which is actually worse for production, because government workers not only have to be provided for by people who actually produce worthwhile products and services, but many also actively stand in the way of production.)
      The half of us that are working are so friggin productive that we can protect every country’s borders in the world except our own, with a military 10 times bigger than it needs to be, carry 25% of the people on our backs, all while swimming upstream against the other 25%.
      We drove Russia in to bankruptcy, managed to babysit Europe for the last 75 years, fought several useless wars with no point, and still are able to hand out free stuff to nearly every country in the world. All while doing equally worthless stuff like flying to the moon.
      China is next to get their butt kicked if we can get our fellow citizens to focus on what the actual problem is, instead of dreaming up fake problems to spend fake money on like the Earth possibly getting warmer or colder, or that medical care, education, or some other service that someone has to pay for is somehow a “right.”

  • @peterjones2594
    @peterjones2594 3 роки тому +289

    The research and quality of this film is incredible as ever.

    • @MK-hb3xc
      @MK-hb3xc 3 роки тому

      It missed a few things, like the DOT duration of g force and a puncture test, neither of which are considered in the ECE standard. Still the ECE is better, not just because it is newer, it has been around since at least 2005 from what I've understood.

    • @MrSoull
      @MrSoull 3 роки тому

      @@MK-hb3xc unreal… 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @timtam929
    @timtam929 3 роки тому +838

    FIM and ECE are taking in new data and adapting to the new conclusions on what is actually safe. Snell is sitting in its corner throwing a tantrum.

    • @Al.j.Vasquez
      @Al.j.Vasquez 3 роки тому +84

      A very M'urican way to do it.

    • @ChrisLoew
      @ChrisLoew 3 роки тому +3

      Bingo

    • @adamvanderploeg8270
      @adamvanderploeg8270 3 роки тому +71

      this reminded me of a quote from Tim minchin's poem, Storm: "Science adjusts its views based on whats observed, faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved"

    • @fartingfury
      @fartingfury 3 роки тому +4

      @@helpfulcommenter In that case, go look at the animated video of the poem on UA-cam. It's full of lines like that one.

    • @kevinmoore4887
      @kevinmoore4887 3 роки тому +13

      Evolve or die.
      SNELL was the go to standard when I bought my first helmet in 1974. I would expect data based science to push new standards.
      Looks like ECE is the alternative safety standard when helmet shopping.

  • @garyadams187
    @garyadams187 Рік тому +12

    As always, very informative and entertaining content. Years ago I was involved in a low speed impact which caused a brain bleed. Head scan wasn't done since I had a 2010 SNELL rated helmet from a leading (high-end) brand. Since my recovery, I now recommend ECE over all others, because it is tested BEFORE getting a certification (sticker), and the fact that the testing if focused on low speed impacts as well as high. For the track, I now choose the FIM certified helmets. A few of us have been asked to tour the SNELL testing facility in the coming months; I suspect a lively discussion when the visit occurs. Your work is appreciated.

  • @perlguiman
    @perlguiman Рік тому +7

    Your entertaining writing saves lives. I'm grateful your team exists to educate and inform new riders.

    • @Not_Loading
      @Not_Loading Рік тому

      Seriously, if I hadn't stumbled across his channel I would still be riding with a cheap dot helmet. It was still within the return window so I sent it back and ordered a proper ece certified helmet

  • @ircsmith
    @ircsmith 3 роки тому +345

    My last Snell helmet (Snell M2010) took two huge hits, with my head in it. The helmet looks great. You can see a little cracking on the right side of the chin bar but other than the face shield being scratched you'd never know it was in an accident. Never mind the two days I spent in the hospital for a concussion. I dont want my helmets to survive and accident. I want my brain to be protected. I now only race with ECE lids. bonus is the are lighter as well.

    • @LeoinFrance
      @LeoinFrance 3 роки тому +23

      Wow man, that's some hard fact you just shared here. I'm happy that you keep racing champ!

    • @tobiaspieringer1653
      @tobiaspieringer1653 3 роки тому +43

      Its the same ith crashing old cars with no crumplezones. The car looks fine, but everything inside it is mush.

    • @davidricci9894
      @davidricci9894 3 роки тому +8

      This info is giving me anxiety about my own Snell helmet

    • @Bingomandingo
      @Bingomandingo 3 роки тому +3

      Have you looked into 6d helmets? They were the first ones to tell me what a crock of shit Snell was years ago but their acessebility to a market suffered because they're a US brand and far too many people wouldn't look their way because of how they rejected snell (due to how it causes concussions) and stuck with ECE. They have a major focus on preventing concussions and after that crash you probably can't be affording any more dude

    • @tortron
      @tortron 3 роки тому +2

      @@tobiaspieringer1653 I have a car with no seatbelts, My grandmother crashed an identical one years ago and was simply thrown through the windscreen to safety. It has a split windscreen so you only have to replace half of it too

  • @tomekhohn
    @tomekhohn 3 роки тому +2275

    Oh? Fortnine posted another video? It's the equivalence of a mini Christmas every time, quality content

    • @skillissue267
      @skillissue267 3 роки тому +10

      True af

    • @JB4KE
      @JB4KE 3 роки тому +5

      ESPECIALLY when you catch it on your lunch break 🤤😉

    • @cccpkingu
      @cccpkingu 3 роки тому

      Yule. "Christmas" only emulates the European tradition, and nobody follows their additions.

    • @mooncake4511
      @mooncake4511 3 роки тому

      True

    • @AJL15N
      @AJL15N 3 роки тому +4

      Prancing moose? I spy a fellow Volvo driver 😂

  • @rodneypearce6113
    @rodneypearce6113 3 роки тому +3

    I have been watching for a while on your channel, you make some of the best presented and most thoroughly researched content for motorcycling out there. Really, really appreciate your channel and thanks to the whole crew.

  • @BisZwo
    @BisZwo 3 роки тому +9

    7:37 that conclusion scene ! 😍😍😍
    Awesome job F9, as always!

  • @myz06rocks
    @myz06rocks 3 роки тому +374

    For a current staffing level at Snell's offices, please refer to the dislike counter on this video.

    • @drew657
      @drew657 3 роки тому +5

      If they spent half as much time worrying about safety instead of sales as they spent on watching and downvoting the video, the sticker might mean something.

    • @cyborgrat
      @cyborgrat 3 роки тому +2

      and those who paid the full price tag for a bucket.

  • @Propulus
    @Propulus 3 роки тому +124

    Every single video on this channel is absolutely fantastic, especially in the last 4-3 years, doesn't matter what topic it is, whether safety, reviews, tips,.. just keep on making them, best part of yt imo.

    • @JMsurYT
      @JMsurYT 3 роки тому +5

      It's crazy, isn't it. Most channels would dream of hitting this quality level once, but they are doing it on a daily basis.

    • @blankv8057
      @blankv8057 3 роки тому

      Dude kills it! Literally checks all boxes I’ve never even driven a motorcycle haha

  • @MrDudeRose
    @MrDudeRose 3 роки тому +6

    A big thank you to Ryan and the whole F9 crew, another great video, fll of information that I would have to dig through loads of paperwork to acquire. Also hats off to the lovely Film Noir styling. I really enjoyed this so thank you once again.

  • @jstn9914
    @jstn9914 3 роки тому +20

    You guys really nailed the noire film aesthetic with this one!
    The bungie cords linking all the evidence together made me snort.

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography 3 роки тому +255

    Lord have mercy on the enemies of safe helmets, because Ryan sure won’t.

  • @BackwardsMarathonPSU
    @BackwardsMarathonPSU 3 роки тому +134

    The execs at Snell are NOT going to be having a good Monday once this video makes its way across their desk….probably any minute now. I am imagining several emergency PR meetings and a “task force” being created, lol.

    • @GrimYak
      @GrimYak 3 роки тому +28

      Im sure right now there is an email with the subject URGENT

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 3 роки тому +21

      @@helpfulcommenter every foundation and company has someone in charge.

    • @MonstaFreak13
      @MonstaFreak13 3 роки тому

      This information has been out for a while. Ryan has even made videos about different ratings.

    • @AshrakAhmed
      @AshrakAhmed 3 роки тому +22

      @@helpfulcommenter that's what they would like to make you think about them. Getting a non profit tag is a good way to keep your income from taxing.
      They charge for their certification so they make money and they are fighting to keep their rating standard as the main one not ECE/FIM even if it saves lives.
      SO tax evasion, care less about saving lives and more about licensing fees, making a half ass standard so their certified makers can sell in another safer standards territory!
      Non profit my ass!

    • @atlas8rides
      @atlas8rides 3 роки тому

      Ehh, those execs will probably discuss it and come up with 2 FortNine conclusions that justifies not making any smart changes

  • @jackrichardson4109
    @jackrichardson4109 3 роки тому

    Great videos Ryan. Ive just got back into riding after a few years away, and your channel has been really great in getting me enthusiastic about motorcycles again.

  • @spencerlivvy1090
    @spencerlivvy1090 2 роки тому +4

    The production quality of this video on top of being hugely informative makes it absolutely exemplary. Earned a sub from me!

  • @chrisb.487
    @chrisb.487 3 роки тому +161

    I keep asking myself "Why are these videos so short?" only to realize "Oh, it's actually 8 min long."

    • @geoffwatches
      @geoffwatches 3 роки тому +6

      Because he doesn't stuff it with filler to make it past the 10 minute youtube preference algorithm. Though in this case he definintlry should - this is a PSA.

    • @chrisb.487
      @chrisb.487 3 роки тому +12

      Aside from that, his videos are so damn good. I get so engrossed, I hardly notice time passing by

    • @debbiemilka2251
      @debbiemilka2251 3 роки тому +1

      It is not so much the brevity, but the frequency of same. hate waiting a whole month between installments. The delivery has always been quite enjoyable and the touch of incredulity adds a strong factor of believable confidence. The entries from this year though by Ryan and even stronger and more powerful in presentation of vital topics. Very top sort and the industry should be paying close attention to this critical research. Well done Ryan . You are making our lives safer bit by bit. Probably not in the cards, but I for one would like bi-weekly or perhaps something every three weeks.

  • @arijitRC7
    @arijitRC7 3 роки тому +358

    I can see 10 snell employees marked their attendance..

  • @thamomentum
    @thamomentum 3 роки тому

    One of the best motorcycle channels on YT - unbiased and masterclass video content. Not to mention, how many lives you are saving from educating us folks. Thanks Ryan and F9 Team.

  • @68404
    @68404 3 роки тому +6

    Love the production values and Ryan F9 himself. This channel is so classy

  • @BTDTChino
    @BTDTChino 3 роки тому +154

    I'll stick with my ECE rated helmets. They do more accurate testing for crashes motorcyclists actually get in to.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 3 роки тому +5

      Almost every major international brand has them both, and almost all of them get a 4 or 5star SHARP aftermarket lab rating.
      You are unlikely to get a helmet that fails SHARP, even cheap China crap like HJC , Fuel or Scorpion....
      Ride smart, don't duche ride and you most likely will never find out which is better.

    • @seb9940
      @seb9940 3 роки тому

      @@STho205 You dont have to be a "duche rider" to get that kind of experience. Unfortunately someone i knew personally experienced it and that didnt end well...

    • @STho205
      @STho205 3 роки тому

      @@seb9940 were they wearing a helmet?

    • @arsyadgafli8749
      @arsyadgafli8749 3 роки тому +2

      @@STho205 HJC is definitely not cheap china crap

    • @STho205
      @STho205 3 роки тому

      @@arsyadgafli8749 there is almost always a personal need to reinforce ones value by the product choices made in a branded consumer all basically the same market.
      You can't be a man cause you don't smoke the brand I do used to be the old joke fifty years ago.
      I have an HJC and it wore well. It was OK. It was a plastic outer shell, some igloo cooler extruded styrofoam, some laminate gray foam rubber with glue molded fabric. All the China buckets are that. They work for the purpose, but nothing to really cheer about.
      When it got over six years, i took it apart to see hie it was built. The unsupported shell would squish in half under pressure. I hit it with a sander snf it holed in under a second. The styrofoam was.. styrofoam... But the padding waa taped onto it with gaffers tape. No sewing. The tape was dry and powdery.
      It held together for six years, but probably any China "counterfeit" bucket would also. Since all China factories are controlled ultimately by ONE PARTY CORPORATION... is there really a difference. Last years revolutionary HJC is likely this years Alibaba/Amazon $80 special.
      I'm sure you're fine. I'm sure you're safe. They would hold together enough for a typical accident... However the five year rule is being pushed because cheap construction doesn't last long. Like Chinese Clark Shoes that are just trading on an old Western brand name.

  • @jawadulkarim9498
    @jawadulkarim9498 3 роки тому +153

    So basically:
    SNELL ❌
    ECE ✅

    • @andy_byrd
      @andy_byrd 3 роки тому +18

      FIM is actually the checkmark here. But ECE is being pulled by them so it'll do

    • @mateojimenez5905
      @mateojimenez5905 3 роки тому +2

      and FIM is best

    • @tisFrancesfault
      @tisFrancesfault 3 роки тому +13

      @@andy_byrd FIM is for professional racers and offers the best protection at speed. However Its expensive. ECE is in General fine for most road users, and is cheaper to buy.
      But as far as min standards go; ECE is far more practical and superior than the Snell Standard,

    • @ciprianb4794
      @ciprianb4794 3 роки тому +1

      @@mateojimenez5905 But you only get fim on at least 1000$ helmets

    • @cube1cze
      @cube1cze 3 роки тому +11

      @@ciprianb4794 Take a look at Scorpion EXO R-1 thats 500$ lid and passed FIM standards.

  • @RiderXp
    @RiderXp 3 роки тому +4

    This channel is one of the best in automotive space! Delivering useful information in the most creative and artistic way imaginable. I can only hope to get to close to this level some day!

  • @GIDDYUPADVENTURES
    @GIDDYUPADVENTURES 2 роки тому

    I love how you put so much effort into making your videos compelling.

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 3 роки тому +69

    I started riding in 2008 and the wisdom then was “Snell, Snell, Snell, Snell!” Little did I know it would get so much more complicated only the next year.

    • @cgmoog
      @cgmoog 3 роки тому +7

      When I bought a new helmet in ~2008 I went for the British Standard. Now I go for with ECE. Snell has not been relevant for years. Motorcyclist published an article ripping Snell in 2005 (same journalist who was fired from Motorcyclist for writing about Snell in the NYT).

    • @rapid13
      @rapid13 3 роки тому +12

      @@cgmoog The article you mention is titled “Blowing the Lid Off” by Dexter Ford. It’s brilliant.

    • @kevinmoore4887
      @kevinmoore4887 3 роки тому +4

      I started riding in 1972. Pretty much get a Bell helmet with a Snell sticker or risk your head to an unknown.
      Almost 50 years later, I would expect changes.
      For road bikes, I want a shell that smashes and absorbs energy when my head hits the flat area called pavement.
      Off-road, keeping pointy rocks out of my skull and impact absorption are 2 considerations.

  • @lakshya8038
    @lakshya8038 3 роки тому +26

    Damn people have the audacity to dislike this, its free quality content, What else do you want??

    • @miketran4289
      @miketran4289 3 роки тому +8

      They work for Snell.

    • @christianstorms3950
      @christianstorms3950 3 роки тому +6

      People very often don't seek information, but confirmation.
      Can't do anything against those who don't find it and are unhappy about that fact...

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada 3 роки тому +2

      It's the internet, and it's youtube. It would be more surprising if there _weren't_ any dislikes.
      It would also be more surprising if there wasn't a comment amounting to 'how could there be dislikes'.
      As far as youtube videos go, this is a VERY low dislike ratio. Which is not surprising, because it's an F9 video.

    • @kidlikerizzle
      @kidlikerizzle 3 роки тому

      Free pancakes

    • @justus4883
      @justus4883 3 роки тому

      @@IstasPumaNevada yeah, even on rare live concert footage of an old musician with a view count just over 100, there will still be dislikes.. it's just how youtube works for some reason

  • @hawaiion2wheels109
    @hawaiion2wheels109 3 роки тому

    I love the fun you guys have in making these videos it radiates from the product. Thank you!

  • @duaneschaffer2549
    @duaneschaffer2549 3 роки тому

    The content on this channel is far better than most. Thank you Ryan and all involved behind the scenes.

  • @oaklecopel
    @oaklecopel 3 роки тому +283

    Ryan, I’d love to see one of your good old fashioned reviews on the Pan America. I’ve heard some good things about the bike, but I’m interested to see what you think of it.

    • @randombuilds8336
      @randombuilds8336 3 роки тому +6

      I've heard lots of great from magazines, but not much from actual owners yet. Still being a new engine design I'd wait a couple years before buying one. But I do love the comfort and practicality of ADV bikes.

    • @WPGKLR
      @WPGKLR 3 роки тому +3

      @@randombuilds8336 The only "Owner" review I saw was some Harley bro who talked up how much dirt biking he used to do then proceeded to drive the Pan America like a geriatric down a relatively smooth road. I wont be taking his opinion on the bike, that's for sure.

    • @FortNine
      @FortNine  3 роки тому +250

      Been trying to get a hold of one! It's at the top of our to-do list. ~RF9

    • @romgl4513
      @romgl4513 3 роки тому +10

      @@WPGKLR Seems that bro has a realistic idea of 150hp elephant bike off-road capabilities. You want extreme? Harley did it in the commercial.
      Every fall on the Pan-am will cost like a slightly used Honda motocross bike.

    • @Vince_vanca
      @Vince_vanca 3 роки тому

      @@FortNine you should ask revzilla :p

  • @markbaum9615
    @markbaum9615 3 роки тому +81

    Ryan should be the modern twilight zone narrator...

  • @fmh357
    @fmh357 2 роки тому

    Loved how the outro goes to black and white like the questions we need to be asking. You and your team are great story tellers.

  • @imopn
    @imopn 3 роки тому

    Amazing vids mate. Seriously you guys are the top of your game not just on UA-cam but as far as production and content quality goes in general.

  • @simonsjodin9268
    @simonsjodin9268 3 роки тому +372

    *hits helmet once*
    No one:
    *hits helmet twice*
    Snell: Ah yes, safety

  • @chesy-headshoxx
    @chesy-headshoxx 3 роки тому +2

    I watched quite a few Videos (20+ I'd say) of this Channel over the past few Days. Don't know why I just found it like a week ago..
    But I am really astounded how well these Videos are made. The Scripts, the Stories, the Texts. On Point and straight forward. Really refreshing without any "Bullsh*t".
    Plus, I love when Ryan makes use of that Blackboard and hits us with his Knowledge in Physics.
    Big Fan of this Channel. Keep up the amazing work!
    (Greetings from Germany)

  • @BizKwikTwist
    @BizKwikTwist 3 роки тому

    Just found these vids and I love these, def helping me with my goal of getting a motorcycle and the proper safety gear by the end of this year.

  • @pcphilanthropy
    @pcphilanthropy 3 роки тому +11

    Best motorcycle content and production quality on YT… change my mind.

  • @kiler2death
    @kiler2death 3 роки тому +6

    Ryan just absolutely blasting us with well researched and sourced videos in amazing quality. Seriously my favorite youtuber.

  • @ljg7777
    @ljg7777 2 роки тому

    Not only is this well done in terms of the commentary, but also well done in how it was produced as a video.... VERY MEANINGFUL....

  • @Ronbassettphd
    @Ronbassettphd 3 роки тому

    His videos just keep getting better and better. As an avid viewer for several years I did not think this was possible

  • @reaper8887
    @reaper8887 3 роки тому +92

    Ryan should check out India's revised ISI standards. That's even more messed up than this Snell situation.

    • @stoneblue1795
      @stoneblue1795 3 роки тому +27

      Does it come with a BBQ GRILL bolted to one side like their motorcycles?

    • @reaper8887
      @reaper8887 3 роки тому +14

      @@stoneblue1795luckily no !! Well, atleast for now anyway.
      And that BBQ grill thingie is mandatory for the registration of any motorcycle.

    • @Lex4122
      @Lex4122 3 роки тому +17

      And who is surprised that in India safety standards are borked?

    • @RiloElton
      @RiloElton 3 роки тому +3

      @@reaper8887 yeah I'm curious about that bbq grill thingy in India. What purpose does it serve? Can you get rid of it after you've registered it?

    • @reaper8887
      @reaper8887 3 роки тому +16

      @@RiloEltonThat contraption is called a "saree guard", it's designed to keep pillion riders "saree" or any other bulky clothing from getting caught in the sprockets or wheels and lead onto any accidents.
      Even though that thing is mandatory for the road bikes here, most will get rid of it after the registration process is over.

  • @jiafengli7648
    @jiafengli7648 3 роки тому +86

    When the DOT video out years ago, I was like "well, my helmet is not DOT only."
    Me now: "crap..."

    • @Hazardxv
      @Hazardxv 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah now I'm out here looking at new helmets.
      Shit.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 3 роки тому +5

      I got my helmet after watching the DOT video, went ECE as the sense I had at the time was Snell was for racing while ECE was more suitable for street riding. Now I hope he doesn't come out with one saying ECE is crap too... Even if he does, I'm guessing it's best of the three, and we all know crashing a motorcycle with any helmet isn't going to be fun.

    • @ThatSoddingGamer
      @ThatSoddingGamer 3 роки тому +6

      @@quillmaurer6563 Well, ECE 22/06 (and some with 05 stickers) are basically the balance between budget and variety, versus top protection but limited options that FIM offers. However, in another 5 or so years (5 is probably optimistic, I admit) we might start seeing more budget friendly FIM helmets as manufacturers get a better handle on it and start larger production runs. Of course, then we'll have to contend with the grades of FIM, as there are multiple grades of the FIM standard. ECE will become the bare minimum for informed, sane riders, and the lowest rank of FIM will be be what most riders will actually look to get. Snell will probably start being phased out from motorcycles by then, I hope. They never really should have been used as a standard for motorcycle helmets, as the video illustrates.
      DOT? That'll probably exist for quite some time as the legal bare minimum. The helmet equivalent of slapping on a barely functional part to a device to ensure the whole technically qualifies as legal to use.

    • @alexsavastru8125
      @alexsavastru8125 2 роки тому +1

      @@ThatSoddingGamer I found myself thinking "What a valuable footnote for the video this is" while reading this comment. Good stuff, bro. Thanks for the intel ;)

    • @ThatSoddingGamer
      @ThatSoddingGamer 2 роки тому

      @@alexsavastru8125 No problem dood, at least someone found it useful ^_^

  • @aquamenagerie
    @aquamenagerie 3 роки тому

    We love you Ryan, and your filming/editing homie. You guys rock

  • @TheGreatFury
    @TheGreatFury 3 роки тому

    Loved the style, the animation with the envelopes was perfect. great work!

  • @mithunnaidu0816
    @mithunnaidu0816 3 роки тому +144

    Snell : we are best certification
    Ryan : I'm about end this man's whole career 😂

  • @t.walker3101
    @t.walker3101 3 роки тому +35

    i’ve been binge watching fortnine videos glad to see i’ve got another to add to the list

    • @Curtis.Carpenter
      @Curtis.Carpenter 3 роки тому

      fortnine videos..always happy to see new uploads!!!

  • @sunhitua
    @sunhitua 3 роки тому

    wow! what a shift of paradigm. thanks a lot for publishing that! your content keeps evolving and thus helps to keep us safe! ty!!

  • @de-bodgery
    @de-bodgery 3 роки тому

    Snell sees you walk in the door...much sighing and eyes rolling...
    you do a good job and I always love your productions.

  • @thedudewiththehair7535
    @thedudewiththehair7535 3 роки тому +101

    A moment of silence to the one person that didn't like this quality content.

    • @nathanbossier2446
      @nathanbossier2446 3 роки тому +18

      probebly someone who works at snell xd

    • @chrisb.487
      @chrisb.487 3 роки тому +9

      There's two now so I'm guessing it's the president and vice president of Snell

    • @rottentom009
      @rottentom009 3 роки тому +5

      1000% guaranteed it's the owner of a Snell approved helmet... that he just bought on fortnine 😂😂

    • @AndreiNeacsu
      @AndreiNeacsu 3 роки тому +5

      @@nathanbossier2446 Most likely a bloke who suffered a crash wearing a Snell certified helmet. This raises the moral and philosophical question: "is someone who's brain-dead, but dislikes videos online, considered alive or deceased?"

    • @konanLerehcob
      @konanLerehcob 3 роки тому +1

      That's me. F9 is only telling half of the story and this was very dishonest of him to do so. See, contrary to what he imply there are serious people working for motorbikers safety and doing their job with great care at Snell. And as you guessed, I am one of these people. I work as a HOST (Helmet Operator Special Tester) for Snell and we try our helmets in EVERY condition. The standard of quality is only making sure we reach the specific hardness or softness desired for either market. Nonetheless, I test those helmets myself in real conditions and I have crashed head first over a thousand times in testing already and see how I am not mentally impaired at all ? Snell quality for sure.

  • @jokumukamikalie
    @jokumukamikalie 3 роки тому +53

    "If the name can mean two different things, does it mean anything?"
    This honestly sent chills down my spine. Snell is completely neglecting the very purpose of a helmet to keep their name on the European market.

    • @vinvenus4581
      @vinvenus4581 3 роки тому

      Honestly, living in Europe, I haven't even heard of SNELL before watching this channel. My German Schuberth helmet is as an EU certificat.

    • @jokumukamikalie
      @jokumukamikalie 3 роки тому +2

      @@vinvenus4581 I have a Schuberth too, so it's not my personal issue, but having unsafe helmets on the market is a real issue in general.

    • @ntdscherer
      @ntdscherer 3 роки тому +1

      Business disregards safety in favor of greater profit. More news at 11.

    • @jokumukamikalie
      @jokumukamikalie 3 роки тому +1

      @@ntdscherer Wouldn't be odd if it wasn't a company testing _mandatory_ safety equipment.

    • @stevee8318
      @stevee8318 3 роки тому

      The Snell foundation is a non-profit

  • @nevilles.5066
    @nevilles.5066 3 роки тому +2

    Honestly Ryan is the best in the business and no one comes close! So much effort, attention to detail, research and execution in all his videos. Big up to you mate👏👏👏

  • @oledokka
    @oledokka 3 роки тому

    I never comment on UA-cam, but this channel is something special. Quality all the way, from ideas to form and execution. Every time. Bravo!

  • @MadChalet
    @MadChalet 3 роки тому +3

    Amazing production! It's great that you all at F9 enlighten us about these important but overlooked issues. Cheers!

  • @rik8508
    @rik8508 3 роки тому +41

    Ah. Happy to know this. Good thing I live in Europe so I can completely ignore Snell and only look for ECE and FIM.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 3 роки тому

      Everybody can ignore Snell. It is not a street legal standard anywhere
      but racetracks that impose it privately.
      This video is important to the helmet marketing industry, like Ryan, Revzilla, etc... But not on the street.

    • @lemonbrothers3462
      @lemonbrothers3462 3 роки тому +2

      @@STho205 it's still better than DOT so could be the better option for US folks that can't source an ECE bucket easily enough, altough there's little reason for that to be true with shops like fortnine and revzilla around

    • @STho205
      @STho205 3 роки тому +2

      @@lemonbrothers3462 you know, a Ryan F9 video five years ago called "5 Safest Helmets" half of them had neither a Snell or ECE sticker.. And he said it didn't matter as they were safe. He was falling back on SHARP. His highest recommended one was the high viz Scorpion 490 which at that time had no ECE but a Snell 2015 (which is years after this video's stated controversy) and the HJC which only had a DOT sticker because it couldn't pass Snell and had never paid to get ECE. Both were China Buckets with flexible cheaper polycarb shells.
      4 years ago he did the video Best Snell helmets where he sang the praises of Snell. Followed up a few weeks later with the horrible dangers of DOT.
      When it finally comes down to it, these guys are entertainers and product salesmen. Ryan produces a nice polished video. He filled a week.
      Ride safe... Your helmet is as good as you need...and I hope you never need it.

    • @rameylewis7730
      @rameylewis7730 3 роки тому

      @@STho205 I have to agree with you. As much as I enjoy some of Ryan's videos, he's starting to sound more and more like a used car salesman.

    • @ws8080
      @ws8080 3 роки тому

      @@STho205 That's not what I saw in those older videos. He correctly pointed out same thing in different way - how Snell was about a firm shell, and competing standard is about a flexible one, i.e. the harder vs. softer adjectives used in this current video. As I recall, he said neither is perfect (nothing is), but Snell's hard shells are a liability if not padded and fit correctly, and the softer standards are great for absorbing but not for point impact, etc. Too much absorb without a shape doesn't match our hard heads. Anyway, this science is changing with more testing - notice the football helmet changes in just the last few years.

  • @dojomojomofo
    @dojomojomofo 2 роки тому

    This channel is so great... No matter how long you've been reading and watching stuff about the sport, you will learn something new from it - in my case, a lot of things!

  • @gg48gg
    @gg48gg 3 роки тому

    Thank you for maintaining such high quality content! Major praise!

  • @bytesandbikes
    @bytesandbikes 3 роки тому +16

    I've never seen a Snell sticker outside the US. I think the battle is long lost.

    • @gwot
      @gwot 3 роки тому +3

      I have! they're in Canada too

  • @devme20
    @devme20 3 роки тому +202

    Ok, as someone that stays in the other side of the world.. this is the first time hearing about snell XD

    • @gwot
      @gwot 3 роки тому +7

      I had no idea snell isn't in the other side. A lot of tracks in my area (Canada) mandate SNELL rated helmets. DOT alone is not enough, ECE is yes or no depending on track.

    • @benclimo461
      @benclimo461 3 роки тому +6

      Where you from? Here in EU shell is still very well known as well

    • @devme20
      @devme20 3 роки тому +2

      @@benclimo461 SEA(south east asia)

    • @devme20
      @devme20 3 роки тому +1

      @@gwot SEA(south east asia)

    • @BDA84
      @BDA84 3 роки тому +4

      @@benclimo461 Never seen it in any west europe store but to be honest I only check the CE sticker or maybe I only take brands that don't care about it, don't know.

  • @71001L
    @71001L 2 роки тому

    Having this channel for new riders is a blessing.

  • @stevelarson6992
    @stevelarson6992 3 роки тому

    Don’t know how you do it but your channel just gets better and better! Keep it up !

  • @SolamenteVees
    @SolamenteVees 3 роки тому +6

    Best motorcycle-centric channel on YT. And I don’t even ride anymore…

  • @underbudgee9522
    @underbudgee9522 3 роки тому +6

    I’m telling you, with this level of production quality motovlogs and camping trips would be top notch. Plus it would bring in a larger crowd. 👍

  • @spykp
    @spykp 3 роки тому

    Once again, amazing production value! I love your videos!

  • @greenmoto
    @greenmoto Рік тому

    I enjoy revisiting these as they are still great information and unlike other videos carry the sources to back it all up. Great work 👌

  • @Bina69
    @Bina69 3 роки тому +9

    three cheers for the editor, amazing job.

    • @motordemic
      @motordemic 3 роки тому

      Anish, the man behind the edits 🤩

  • @peterjensen6844
    @peterjensen6844 3 роки тому +7

    Love the "bring the receipts" sources list at the end.

  • @scottcates
    @scottcates 2 роки тому +7

    This video is very informative. I have been a Snell advocate for a long time without realizing the deficicts of the certification. Yet when I had my worst accident -- a 105 MPH getoff that put me tumbling through the Nevada desert, my Snell-certified Scorpion EXO700 helmet, was goughed, scaped, and scuffed on every square inch with a ripped-off shield, to boot. I ended up with a minor concussion, which I atttributed to being lucky enough not to strike anything solid while skimming the desert in low earth orbit. But after watching this report on the Snell certification, the helmet might have also contributed to my injuries by being just too damn hard.

    • @Ehal256
      @Ehal256 Рік тому +1

      Over 100 in the desert, and I'd say you'd be lucky to not be seriously injured even with the best gear.

    • @GhostKing6790
      @GhostKing6790 2 місяці тому +1

      no that helmet probably saved your life

    • @scottcates
      @scottcates 2 місяці тому

      @@GhostKing6790 You're probably right.

  • @ilovemalechickens
    @ilovemalechickens 2 роки тому

    You and your quality of production are impeccable please dont stop

  • @hyr079
    @hyr079 3 роки тому +17

    Long-time watcher, first time commenter. This is a really important story, thanks for bring it to light to well.

    • @IstasPumaNevada
      @IstasPumaNevada 3 роки тому

      @Huo Shing I vouch for Jon Madden, so you can trust it's important.

  • @sepg5084
    @sepg5084 3 роки тому +89

    In asia, Shoei helmets are the thing to get.
    Imagine thinking that hard helmets are safer on the day and age of crumple zones and shock absorption devices like airbags.

    • @husseltoo
      @husseltoo 3 роки тому +3

      Any brand that races on FIM events has to be certified, there are lots of other brands that will follow the new ECE R22-06 .

    • @reason2gether
      @reason2gether 3 роки тому +8

      In the limited space between the outside of the helmet and your head, where do you think the hard surface should be? I still want the exterior to be as hard and as impenetrable as possible , while having the most cushioning possible inside. Is there a part of your head that you would consider to be a safe "crumple zone"? The best improvement I feel has been made through the years and can further be made is in the overall weight of the helmet. Keep the hard shell exterior and soft interior, while reducing inertial load/strain on the neck as much as possible. Other areas I feel should be improved if possible are: outward visibility, hearing ability and ventilation comfort.

    • @RoonMian
      @RoonMian 3 роки тому +2

      The only downside is that you can mess up your helmet when it just slips out of your hand from a 2 feet height and you wouldn't even know by looking at it :(

    • @9inchpp
      @9inchpp 3 роки тому +1

      I'm more of a GIVI guy myself

    • @mhordijk0871
      @mhordijk0871 3 роки тому +3

      @@reason2gether
      The harder the shell, the more likely it is to shatter on impact.
      A hard shell transmits more energy to the inside.
      A softer shell absorbes energy by deforming.
      Like a crumple zone.

  • @AtaurRahman-jt8bd
    @AtaurRahman-jt8bd 3 роки тому

    I can feel the hard-work put into this video!!!

  • @torquer9669
    @torquer9669 Рік тому +2

    Good video/info, and holy crap, what an awesome production. Bravo!

  • @ThePassionateBiker
    @ThePassionateBiker 3 роки тому +71

    Ryan working so hard to investigate which standard for helmet is safer.
    Meanwhile in India - Helmet must comply with Indian ISI standard which is basically low end version of ECE , Otherwise no matter how safe your helmet is, it's illegal.

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 3 роки тому +7

      That’s how it is almost everywhere, you must psd the local standard. In America all helmets must pass DOT. Thankfully almost all helmets that pass ECE also pass DOT.

    • @mrrashu77
      @mrrashu77 3 роки тому +6

      Also the ECE certified helmets which are undoubtedly superior, are considered ILLEGAL, as if it was contraband. ffs

    • @krabha9681
      @krabha9681 3 роки тому +2

      Go for Royal Enfield helmets, they are ISI DOT certified and ECE approved. Affordable too.

    • @humannature4327
      @humannature4327 3 роки тому +1

      Its funny that we indian start using helmet only recently...few years before people used to say to people who use to wear helmets *that are you going to space..if not then why are you wearing that urn on your head* ..🙄
      PS: ECE helmetes are more relevant in today's India because now the bike are getting faster so the chance of you rolling on the road and hitting your head on the multiple side has increased
      But before the story was different

    • @mayorofnow
      @mayorofnow 3 роки тому +1

      Do the police actually enforce it?

  • @seansamurai1981
    @seansamurai1981 3 роки тому +37

    No point in arguing with FIM, they are literally the authority on helmet safety

    • @johnb8440
      @johnb8440 3 роки тому +7

      I'd agree, but Snell used to be the authority. Always question everything. They are only the authority because the data points to their standard being better right now, but lobotomies used to be a standard because they were better than what came before.
      Question everything.

    • @mmaaddict78
      @mmaaddict78 3 роки тому +3

      Until someone comes along with a better standard and FIM stubbornly sticks to their own formula. Seems like a common occurrence over the history of safety standards lol

    • @johnb8440
      @johnb8440 3 роки тому +3

      @@mmaaddict78 legit, yeah. Standards don't change until someone calls out a different standard is bullshit. It becomes a money-making game eventually. Always starts out great.

    • @raycodv267
      @raycodv267 3 роки тому +14

      @@johnb8440 except that the FIM standard isn’t there because they want to get their stickers onto helmets. Only a few helmets in the world actually are FIM certified.
      The FIM rating is there because the FIM wants and NEEDS to protect their most important assets… MotoGP riders. The FIM is the motorcycle equivalent of the FIA. They’re the organisers of premier-class motorsport.
      They don’t make their money from certifying equipment, they get their money from organising championships. Without the riders/drivers those championships are doomed, so they have to protect their riders to the best of their ability in order for them to protect their revenue.

    • @lemonbrothers3462
      @lemonbrothers3462 3 роки тому

      @@johnb8440 except it wasn't really the authority, it seemed so because it was a requirement to enter a track but for long ECE has been considered better by a lot of people (until FIM showed up). Previous F9 videos showed just that, with SNELL being recomended if you wanted to go to a track, otherwise ECE.

  • @thedude7450
    @thedude7450 3 роки тому

    Damn your videos are great. Well thought out, well presented and amazing production quality.

  • @mjrc123
    @mjrc123 3 роки тому

    This is truly exceptional. The content, the style, the cinematography.
    👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @thepcguy007
    @thepcguy007 3 роки тому +12

    We now have all the clues.
    It was Ryan, in the garage, with the ECE standard...

  • @weifeng5958
    @weifeng5958 3 роки тому +26

    I wish that someone would make a FIM Adventure / Dual Sport helmet I’d be all over it in a heartbeat

    • @MK-hb3xc
      @MK-hb3xc 3 роки тому +1

      With the level the FIM is considering for velocity of impact be glad you don't have one. They are looking at rate of acceleration that is so high it is not a survivable situation and, in turn, will make the helmet transmit more shock because the helmet/liner need to be made harder/stiffer to meet that unsurvivable standard. Dual sport helmets are dealing with rates of acceleration at 1/2-1/3 that of the FIM and done right will have a more flexible giving shell and liner to suit, transmitting less shock to the brain. Go to 10:50 in this video to understand what they are doing ua-cam.com/video/QmMa32byIJA/v-deo.html And yes I realize the video is about 50% promotion of 6D, but the other 50% is dealing with the standards. Even includes what is good in the DOT standard and missing in others. See 2:55 in the video, understand what is missing from ECE and should be added.

  • @JimmyHamAnp
    @JimmyHamAnp 3 роки тому

    One of the best pieces you have made! Thanks!

  • @daleerickson520
    @daleerickson520 3 роки тому +1

    Well done Ryan, another great exposé !

  • @jamesdaple9951
    @jamesdaple9951 3 роки тому +7

    Incredible journalism!!! I hope you guys have loads of awards!!! for Excellence!!!

    • @Kobe29261
      @Kobe29261 3 роки тому

      Thank you for pointing out the real crucial value of this video - the journalism, sure the editing is top-notch but what Fort-9 has done is really draw attention to the politics of motorcycle helmets. Sure hope we don't miss this, as we congratulate the videography. Again the adage proves true - do anything well enough and you end up in philosophy[at least in ontology]

  • @dheeraj3945
    @dheeraj3945 3 роки тому +8

    Only detective Ryan can make helmets exciting and interesting 😂

  • @THOMASakaBURNOUT
    @THOMASakaBURNOUT 3 роки тому

    Another great and honest film. Best quality on the web. Keep doing what you do, we all enjoy them and we learn something here that nobody wants us to know.

  • @316iRacer
    @316iRacer 3 роки тому

    Kudos to FortNine! Great content as usual!, very entertaining and informative and professionally done.

  • @jstogdill
    @jstogdill 3 роки тому +19

    In addition to being glad to see you drawing attention to this issue, I’m thoroughly impressed that a company that sells SNELL tagged helmets has the righteous fortitude to fund this video. Many thumbs up.
    Edit: p.s. It’s well past time for every helmet retailer to make it easy to search helmets by certification and for the certifications and their meaning to be readily visible in every product listing. This is probably the most important thing to know about a helmet but it is usually the least obvious part of the product listing.