this was a fun vid. I agree with your rating on Torol + Ialai. It was interesting having a healthy antagonist couple that worked great off each other. On your final couple, I am routing for Kaladin + Jasnah.
I love this Cosmere related content!! I started watching your channel because I absolutely love these type of long form discussion content. Do you have any theory about what might happen in Stormlight Archive 5??
Yes! I’m hoping to do an entire video dedicated to theories hopefully sometime next month :) I have a prompt on my community tab, actually, from just a couple days ago if you’d like to mention your own theories or predictions 😊
I definitely think Adolin deserves better. He deserves an equal partner. All he does is care for everyone around him, go be a boss in battle, come back to take care of everyone. I would love to see him with a partner that takes care of him too.
I really do not care for Shallan and Adolin. I don’t get it. It feels forced not natural. And I feel like Adolin is constantly taking care of everyone around him and it would have been nice for him to end up with someone who who was a better partner and support instead of always needing to be taken care of. But Adolin’s also my favorite and Shallan is not so I’m probably biased.
I really do wonder if there will be something in the second arc of Stormlight with them or one of them, since Sanderson does tend to put things in way in advance. But maybe I just don’t love them and I’m looking for more meaning, idk 😂
@@ebnovels I hope so cause I do not feel them at all so anything to make that relationship make sense beyond them being physical with each other would be great.
@@ebnovelsI think they’re great (as someone who really likes Shallan) but I would really like a novella set between major events of other books on how Adolin deals with everyone hiding important secrets from him (Shallan, Dalinar, Renarin, Jasnah, Gallant, prolly).
The thing with love triangles... draw it out long enough and I will eventually ditch the middle person and switch my ship allegiance to the two (normally) guys in question. You deserve to be fought for, Kings. Fight for each other. 😂
I no longer read Sanderson books (Stopped with Stormlight 2, I just don't vibe with him or his writing anymore), but I like tea 😅🍵 even if it's just fictional couples. So this video was really fun! I still kinda want to read Warbreaker and I've heard the last book of Mistborn era 2 is good (I dnfed after bands of mourning), but idk if it's worth it since I won't be continuing reading the Cosmere at large.
Warbreaker is fun! If you already DNF’d era 2, I’m not sure the last book would be your thing, but you never know. If you do give it a try, I hope you like it!
@ebnovels Oh thank you for answering! Yeah I was afraid the last book was more for Cosmere fans so I just unhauled it. But I really want to read Warbreaker, maybe it'll be my goodbye book with Sanderson, for the good ol' times haha. (I'm to pick up Skyward too but it has mixed reviews on the sequels too 😅)
I always forget about Zane 😅 and I always think, for some reason, that he was Vin's half brother, not Elend's... and that was why they met a few times 😂 honestly couldn't tell why he was in the book or what he was up to...
@ebnovels I love their dynamic with their mutual respect and tension in their fights. Her denying being fascinated by him to Venli reads like it's possible. I can hope 😅
Technically, this is the absolute opposite of the truth, since a love triangle is a very specific trope / type of literary tool or narrative device-and it could be argued that a love triangle is no longer even a love triangle at all anymore if it goes equally all three ways. Technically, a love triangle is three characters and there is some kind of a choice to be made between equally valid possible options that if done right isn't merely settling for anything in the end, it's typically meant to be figuring out which option would be settling and then NOT settling-like realizing what they really want/need versus what they thought they wanted/needed, or dependable stability versus whirlwind adventure, or something familiar and complacent versus something unfamiliar but enriching; and the sideplots should all very much have a purpose, or an important role along the way progressing the character and their relationship from point A to point Z and/or in establishing precisely why or how the choice they make in the end was the best choice or at least why it was the choice that they made for themself irregardless. If it's a hinged/V-shaped poly!ship, it's not really a love triangle because there is no torn between multiple options for various (ideally thematic) reasons, it's kinda just happily having your cake and eating it too and more power to you!. And if it's a full on poly!tri-way/throuple kinda ship, then it's also not really a love triangle for basically the same reason unless there is some risk of one pairing/ship/ or the other possibly not lasting for keeps and/or getting outshined somehow by another in a way that is ultimately going to result in some kind of a choice or another being made. But it depends if you're coming at things from a literary trope type angle, or from a poly!ship terms and definitions type angle instead. Lol
I didn't feel like Tress and Charlie were enough of a couple on page to actually feel like anything more than best friends. The romance aspect of the relationship just wasn't there for me.
I've only read RoW once so far, but the one time I read that one you didn't say at the start? Not a fan. The scene made me feel icky. The female character involved is one that both started in a place where I can relate to her a lot but also stalled in terms of character growth, and the way she thought about him sticks with me as a very "I'm not actually into him, but he's useful" vibe. Maybe upon my upcoming re-read, that will change. As things stand in my memory, however, that's the one I disagree with the most.
SPOILERS sorry, just want to confirm if you’re referring to Jasnah and Wit? There seems to be agreement in the fandom that she’s asexual, so maybe that feeling of “I’m not into him” that you noticed is more in reference to that, but maybe not as negative? Apologies if I’m misunderstanding what you’re referring to though
@@ebnovels SPOILERS Yes! I'm also ace, which is part of the reason why I saw myself in her. It's absolutely understandable that she's attracted to his intelligence, but the little bit we've seen didn't sell me on the ship itself. TBH, I think it's more to do with how she seems to be with him more for the information she can get from him than for any other reason, and that's what bothered me the most. I'll go into the next book with an open mind, though. I'm hoping there's some good development.
I'm going to skip this video cause I'm actually going to start Brandon Sanderson's books soon. I'm not too bothered by spoilers, but I think I want to be surprised as much as possible. I have no idea which book I'm supposed to start with! I have read his 4 secret projects and his Syfy series
Could you tell me which of the secret projects you liked/disliked the most? I'm curious how they would read to someone who doesn't know the greater context.
@@wobblyunicorn my favorite was Yumi, followed but Sunlit Man. I like the medieval one...and tress was my least favorite 🫣 I actually didn't really like tress that much and had to struggle to finish it. Blasphemy, I know!
@@kelleyeasterling honestly that makes sense to me because I don't know if Tress would be enjoyable without knowing who Hoid is and his narration style. He's a very quirky character and the story is being told in his voice. The tone of the book is really different because of that.
@@wobblyunicorn after reading tress I was confused! Everyone says Sanderson writes epic fantasy and that book was so silly and quirky 😅 but Yumi and sunlit Man convinced it was just a that book
@@kelleyeasterling yeah, Hoid's character is kind of a storyteller and Tress is written in the way he tells people stories in the other books lol. I think Yumi especially works well as a standalone because it doesn't have many relationships to the other books. The sunlit man is about a character we know from other books but the storyline is completely new and it has more of a scifi vibe
Is saying that none of the other gals he's been with have been exactly like her really the same thing as saying that literally all of the other gals he's been with have been exactly the same as each other? 🤔🤔😅 👀
Omg the whole “born yesterday” trope is the reason I hate Jacob and Reneseme. (I was a teenager when these books were popular. I read them. And I didn’t like them.) It’s so gross. And even thinking about it now makes me sick to my stomach 😅
Oh man, the extreme versions of that trope are…not my favorite 😅 Though I think it’s safe to say most versions of that trope, even mild versions, aren’t my thing
I honestly don't think Sanderson writes romance or couples particularly well... 😅😅 he struggles to develop the relationships beyond just pairing them up. Even for Elend and Vin which I actually stan, there was a lot more to develop
I don’t totally disagree! Individual character work is fantastic, but building characters with one another is something I think I’d like to see more of. Not that it’s nonexistent, but I’d love if it matched the kind of development (not necessarily in page time, just in quality) we get with characters on their own :)
@ebnovels Yeah. Sanderson is good at delving deep and exploring a character's psychology. But I don't know if he just doesn't like to write romances or what because the quality isn't the same there 😅 He doesn't seem to struggle with friendships, though. So idk
So happy you included Sebariel and Palona, I just love them!
I love them too 🥰 They’re weirdly so cute
Wayne and his hat 💀🤣
My own personal head canon is that Vin and Elend reincarnated as Kaladin and Adolin. Both S tier ships.
Kaladin and Adolin??? No no no just no...
this was a fun vid. I agree with your rating on Torol + Ialai. It was interesting having a healthy antagonist couple that worked great off each other. On your final couple, I am routing for Kaladin + Jasnah.
I would not object 😂
I love this Cosmere related content!! I started watching your channel because I absolutely love these type of long form discussion content. Do you have any theory about what might happen in Stormlight Archive 5??
Yes! I’m hoping to do an entire video dedicated to theories hopefully sometime next month :) I have a prompt on my community tab, actually, from just a couple days ago if you’d like to mention your own theories or predictions 😊
That's amazing!!!
Shallan needs someone as stable as Adolin. Adolin could do better.
I kinda just don’t think they’re great together in general 😅
I definitely think Adolin deserves better. He deserves an equal partner. All he does is care for everyone around him, go be a boss in battle, come back to take care of everyone. I would love to see him with a partner that takes care of him too.
I feel like Jasnah would be a good match for current Kelsier if their goals aligned
What a dangerous duo that would be 🤔
@@ebnovels they’d end up ruling the cosmere for sure😂
They would end up destroying the entire universe lol.
The photo of the man you put as Breeze is so good! Really close to how I picture him
I will never be able to get the idea of Matt Berry as Breeze out of my head.
Right? He’d be perfect as Breeze
You left out the best relationship, Shakadollin 😍
Am I insane for shipping Kaladim and Vivenna? Literally nobody talks about this ship but it works so well!
I love that Jasnah is asexual. There aren't enough ace characters in fantasy.
I really do not care for Shallan and Adolin. I don’t get it. It feels forced not natural. And I feel like Adolin is constantly taking care of everyone around him and it would have been nice for him to end up with someone who who was a better partner and support instead of always needing to be taken care of. But Adolin’s also my favorite and Shallan is not so I’m probably biased.
I really do wonder if there will be something in the second arc of Stormlight with them or one of them, since Sanderson does tend to put things in way in advance. But maybe I just don’t love them and I’m looking for more meaning, idk 😂
@@ebnovels I hope so cause I do not feel them at all so anything to make that relationship make sense beyond them being physical with each other would be great.
I've had the same thought. Hopefully, that would mean our golden retriever will get a pair he can thrive in. I hope...
@@ebnovelsI think they’re great (as someone who really likes Shallan) but I would really like a novella set between major events of other books on how Adolin deals with everyone hiding important secrets from him (Shallan, Dalinar, Renarin, Jasnah, Gallant, prolly).
The thing with love triangles... draw it out long enough and I will eventually ditch the middle person and switch my ship allegiance to the two (normally) guys in question. You deserve to be fought for, Kings. Fight for each other. 😂
Shipping the two guys in a love triangle or just a Trio with two guys and one girl, is basically most shonen anime/manga😂
Hahahaha, sometimes you gotta mix things up 😂
Kaladin/Adolin > Kaladin/Shallan > Shallan/Adolin
I reread Mistborn era 1 last year and I kinda found Breeze and Clubs to be a pretty nice ship 🥲
Haha, aw, that would be ultimate opposites attract!
I was shipping Ham and Breeze until they mentioned Ham was married
Great Video!
I no longer read Sanderson books (Stopped with Stormlight 2, I just don't vibe with him or his writing anymore), but I like tea 😅🍵 even if it's just fictional couples. So this video was really fun!
I still kinda want to read Warbreaker and I've heard the last book of Mistborn era 2 is good (I dnfed after bands of mourning), but idk if it's worth it since I won't be continuing reading the Cosmere at large.
Warbreaker is fun! If you already DNF’d era 2, I’m not sure the last book would be your thing, but you never know. If you do give it a try, I hope you like it!
@ebnovels Oh thank you for answering! Yeah I was afraid the last book was more for Cosmere fans so I just unhauled it. But I really want to read Warbreaker, maybe it'll be my goodbye book with Sanderson, for the good ol' times haha. (I'm to pick up Skyward too but it has mixed reviews on the sequels too 😅)
Seb & Pal ❤ every time they’re mentioned I look forward to reading what mischief they’re up to
I've always expected Jasnah to be ace, and I would be happy with that.
I always forget about Zane 😅 and I always think, for some reason, that he was Vin's half brother, not Elend's... and that was why they met a few times 😂 honestly couldn't tell why he was in the book or what he was up to...
Hahaha, that would’ve definitely changed the story 🤣
We secretly love them despite not admitting it XD
I feel like Melaan and Wayne is worth discussing too!
My personal favorite ship is Kaladin and Leshwi but I can understand why it wasn't discussed.
That’s an interesting ship! I don’t think I’ve seen that one as often 🤔
@ebnovels I love their dynamic with their mutual respect and tension in their fights.
Her denying being fascinated by him to Venli reads like it's possible. I can hope 😅
@@Rachel-nq1ktI’m not opposed, I’m not opposed 👀
Kal and Syl for me are more like father and daughter.
Love triangles are only triangles if ALL the sides touch. Otherwise it's just a 'eventually-settle-with', with pointless side-plots.🤷
In the case of Mistborn SPOILERS
The two men are brothers, so that side of the triangle definitely doesn’t touch 😅
@@ebnovelsthough you were going to say it was touching, but not the way we'd expect 🤣 like the way a family tree connects 2 ppl 😅
Technically, this is the absolute opposite of the truth, since a love triangle is a very specific trope / type of literary tool or narrative device-and it could be argued that a love triangle is no longer even a love triangle at all anymore if it goes equally all three ways.
Technically, a love triangle is three characters and there is some kind of a choice to be made between equally valid possible options that if done right isn't merely settling for anything in the end, it's typically meant to be figuring out which option would be settling and then NOT settling-like realizing what they really want/need versus what they thought they wanted/needed, or dependable stability versus whirlwind adventure, or something familiar and complacent versus something unfamiliar but enriching; and the sideplots should all very much have a purpose, or an important role along the way progressing the character and their relationship from point A to point Z and/or in establishing precisely why or how the choice they make in the end was the best choice or at least why it was the choice that they made for themself irregardless.
If it's a hinged/V-shaped poly!ship, it's not really a love triangle because there is no torn between multiple options for various (ideally thematic) reasons, it's kinda just happily having your cake and eating it too and more power to you!.
And if it's a full on poly!tri-way/throuple kinda ship, then it's also not really a love triangle for basically the same reason unless there is some risk of one pairing/ship/ or the other possibly not lasting for keeps and/or getting outshined somehow by another in a way that is ultimately going to result in some kind of a choice or another being made.
But it depends if you're coming at things from a literary trope type angle, or from a poly!ship terms and definitions type angle instead. Lol
I’ve never read these 😩 I really need to though
If you do, I hope you enjoy them! Or at least some of them, there are a lot 😅
I didn't feel like Tress and Charlie were enough of a couple on page to actually feel like anything more than best friends. The romance aspect of the relationship just wasn't there for me.
I've only read RoW once so far, but the one time I read that one you didn't say at the start? Not a fan. The scene made me feel icky. The female character involved is one that both started in a place where I can relate to her a lot but also stalled in terms of character growth, and the way she thought about him sticks with me as a very "I'm not actually into him, but he's useful" vibe. Maybe upon my upcoming re-read, that will change. As things stand in my memory, however, that's the one I disagree with the most.
SPOILERS
sorry, just want to confirm if you’re referring to Jasnah and Wit? There seems to be agreement in the fandom that she’s asexual, so maybe that feeling of “I’m not into him” that you noticed is more in reference to that, but maybe not as negative? Apologies if I’m misunderstanding what you’re referring to though
@@ebnovels SPOILERS
Yes! I'm also ace, which is part of the reason why I saw myself in her. It's absolutely understandable that she's attracted to his intelligence, but the little bit we've seen didn't sell me on the ship itself. TBH, I think it's more to do with how she seems to be with him more for the information she can get from him than for any other reason, and that's what bothered me the most. I'll go into the next book with an open mind, though. I'm hoping there's some good development.
Go kaladin and syl. I’ve been shipping since book 1
Haha, noooo! 😂
I’m teasing of course
Shallan/Adolin is ok, but Mayalaran/Adolin is where it's at.
I'm going to skip this video cause I'm actually going to start Brandon Sanderson's books soon. I'm not too bothered by spoilers, but I think I want to be surprised as much as possible. I have no idea which book I'm supposed to start with! I have read his 4 secret projects and his Syfy series
Could you tell me which of the secret projects you liked/disliked the most? I'm curious how they would read to someone who doesn't know the greater context.
@@wobblyunicorn my favorite was Yumi, followed but Sunlit Man. I like the medieval one...and tress was my least favorite 🫣 I actually didn't really like tress that much and had to struggle to finish it. Blasphemy, I know!
@@kelleyeasterling honestly that makes sense to me because I don't know if Tress would be enjoyable without knowing who Hoid is and his narration style. He's a very quirky character and the story is being told in his voice. The tone of the book is really different because of that.
@@wobblyunicorn after reading tress I was confused! Everyone says Sanderson writes epic fantasy and that book was so silly and quirky 😅 but Yumi and sunlit Man convinced it was just a that book
@@kelleyeasterling yeah, Hoid's character is kind of a storyteller and Tress is written in the way he tells people stories in the other books lol.
I think Yumi especially works well as a standalone because it doesn't have many relationships to the other books. The sunlit man is about a character we know from other books but the storyline is completely new and it has more of a scifi vibe
Dont ship anyone in cosmere cuz I just don’t love how he writes romance but thanks for the video
Is saying that none of the other gals he's been with have been exactly like her really the same thing as saying that literally all of the other gals he's been with have been exactly the same as each other? 🤔🤔😅 👀
Omg the whole “born yesterday” trope is the reason I hate Jacob and Reneseme. (I was a teenager when these books were popular. I read them. And I didn’t like them.) It’s so gross. And even thinking about it now makes me sick to my stomach 😅
Oh man, the extreme versions of that trope are…not my favorite 😅 Though I think it’s safe to say most versions of that trope, even mild versions, aren’t my thing
I honestly don't think Sanderson writes romance or couples particularly well... 😅😅 he struggles to develop the relationships beyond just pairing them up. Even for Elend and Vin which I actually stan, there was a lot more to develop
I don’t totally disagree! Individual character work is fantastic, but building characters with one another is something I think I’d like to see more of. Not that it’s nonexistent, but I’d love if it matched the kind of development (not necessarily in page time, just in quality) we get with characters on their own :)
@ebnovels Yeah. Sanderson is good at delving deep and exploring a character's psychology. But I don't know if he just doesn't like to write romances or what because the quality isn't the same there 😅 He doesn't seem to struggle with friendships, though. So idk
He *has* improved dramatically however. That's kind of fun to have followed that development.
Yumi is the first book he delved into a romance and it was a character on his own, so I do think he's developing.
@aeonarin That makes sense. I haven't heard amazing things about that romance either but I hear is good. Sadly it's a little too late for me 😅
I'm showing that this video is titled We Hate These Tropes or do We?
The title keeps going. Did it get cut off on your device?
Regardless, I changed the title in case it was getting cut off for others too :)