It truly seems like Tesla is ahead of everyone when it comes to stats, install, and aesthetics. Every manufacturer has their advantage but Tesla seems like the best product for most people. Not all people, but most people.
Thank you for the info! I live in Queen Creek. I have a solar edge and LG battery installed previously and have just received the site assessment for a power wall/solar/powershare whole house addition. Thank you for taking the time to provide this comparison!!
Do you have a Gateway 2 or Gateway 3? I made a deposit on one PW3 and is currently in the design and planset phase. It'll be AC coupled with my current solar system.
@@ddivinia I had a local company told me that the Gateway 3 can't be AC coupled with my current solar system and recommended the FranklinWH. They had a good price but I dumped them and went with another company.
Installing 27 410 watt panels and two powerwall 3 batteries on 12/9 -12/10. I've watched all your videos any got a ton of information. Thank you for that.
I live Illinois, 20 400W Qcells and and a PW3, installed and online in Dec. 3 panels South, 7 East, 10 West. 1-1 net metering. Thanks for you for your videos!:)
We have 3 PWal 2's, and would like another. Any idea when the PW3 can be interfaced with existing Powerwall 2's? Also, we have the gateway, if we got a Cybertruck could it do the powershare right away? ... Thanks. ... Graeat shows, informative (btw, we also have APSystems micro inverters using with the PW2's, love the system).
Thank you for watching! Tesla says “sometime” in 2025 for the PW3 to be compatible with the 2. Cybertruck would be compatible with your PWs but that is pending a software release that I guess is also supposed to come out in “2025”. A lot to look fwd to!
Great comparison video Zach! I guess maybe by the end of this year or early next year, I would like to see a comparison video between PointGuard and Anker Solix X1 against the Powerwall 3
I just got 2 pw3 and so far so good but I have a question for you for some reason the pw3 sometimes go to standby and l start to pulling power from the grid and normally it happens on the night and the pw3 are at 50% and the back up limit is set at 10%. Any thoughts on this?
It’s likely the time-based control settings taking over. Basically, it’s preserving battery power and prioritizing using grid power since it’s likely off-peak. Are you on time-based or self-powered mode?
@@maximilianogomez5963 hmm, that’s not normal. I’d try resetting the system (link below) and if that doesn’t work I’d give support or your installer a call. service.tesla.com/docs/Public/Energy/Powerwall/Powerwall-3-Owners-Manual-NA-EN/GUID-D239D3CE-AED7-41EA-88C0-13566FDF966C.html
Thank you! And I’ve heard rumors that could happen. But Tesla is so finicky with that stuff. They are definitely missing a market by not having a generator input.
@ZachSolar thanks, I run 3 mini split AC units 24/7 and a small window unit for the solar equipment room. I'll be moving my panels from my roof to a ground mount system that I'll build, I haven't seen a ground mount system that one side is close to the ground and the other side is adjustable, so when a hurricane comes I can just lower them all flat to the ground. All of our water is rainwater collected too, 10k gallons of storage. I'm watching all your recent videos!
I went the Tesla route b/c already had two Tesla EVs. Love the single app. Depending on the state (eg california) you may be eligible to join their VPP with the powerwall to feed the grid during peak demand times. It’s not available here in OH but wished it was.
My local installer just confirmed my order and pricing to have two PW3s installed to my existing Enphase PV system,. After incentives, I'm getting two PW3s installed for less than $16K, $33,500 before, and V2H charging will be icing on the cake. The only issue for me has been availability. I placed my order back in Sept and anticipating a Jan install.
@@ZachSolar I understand. I had a solar installer tell me to stick with Tesla or Enphase. Worried about not being battle tested in the marketplace. Thanks for answering me.
I’m gathering quotes for solar + battery for my house (you’re not local to me, sorry!). A couple of them are suggesting panels with Enphase micro inverters along with a Tesla Powerwall. Aren’t the Enphase micro inverters redundant since the Powerwall has a built in inverter? Can’t they just go straight from the panels to the battery without the need for micro inverters? Seems like a big unnecessary cost unless I’m missing something.
The microinverters are redundant in this case. I’d ask them why they recommend that over using the Powerwall’s inverter. Curious their response. Without knowing more about your situation and their quotes, it’s hard to say the logic here.
I appreciate your support! Nothing formal at this point. But if you need any help or have questions, just shoot me an email and I would be happy to take a look at it! infozachsolar@gmail.com
Hey Hector, not quite yet since it's looking to be closer to end of December on actual delivery. I will be sure to let you know as soon as I have more intel. Thank you!
@@ZachSolar They are coming tomorrow start the installation. I am curious about the cost, I just need to know how much I need for the dc-x installation. I did not budget for the gateway . I need to add to the shoe box.
My local solar company, located in Southern CA, told me they're taking orders now and available in November. However, they quoted me an additional $10,000 to install one DC Expansion battery and that includes tax and labor.
It looks impressive on paper! I think it will do well in the market. I'm just curious on its price point. I plan on doing a comparison video of PointGuard's battery and the Tesla Powerwall in the near future.
Whats with the calibration mode getting caught in a loop? Glitch in their software or something? The app will tell you to cycle batteries and breakers at the box. Tech told me don't it will put them back to factory default. Finally all 3 back taking a charge. Took me 3 days on the grid to get it out of the calibration mode. Have no idea if they calibrated or not haa. PW3's 2024/Nevada
@@redoc69 I’ve never had to do a calibration personally so I’m not sure. If it’s getting caught in a loop it’s definitely a software glitch. That’s frustrating though!
@@ZachSolar Pretty sure it's built in the system and starts automatically ~2 months after power up per Tesla rep and verified by Netzero. My 1st kW was produced 11/14/24- PTO 1/8/25 (sad) and it started calibration 1/13/25 @ ~ 22:00 and ended 1/16/25 @ 11: am. I could see on Netzero something was wrong and I contacted Tesla. They said it should take less then 24 hrs.. So after I called the second day they said they would monitored it and fixed the problem. My problem 100 kWh off the grid for those 3 day. Have a 21.2kw system 23 JA solar DP 3.0 $00W and 3 Pw3's. 2450 sq/ft home. with hot tub. Sorry for the bla bla but hope it helps someone. Great Site and knowledge. Thanks .. Great Site !!
@@ZachSolar I does it automatically after about 2 months of power up. It will stay in a calibration loop and Tesla is aware for the problem. I called after 2 days and they said they would monitor it in the morning. It went back on "online" at 11:00 the next day and started to take a charge.
That's crazy that Enphase would take up that much room. My LuxpowerTek 12K LXP, mounted over my StackRack (20kWh) batteries, is only 32 inches wide and in my garage.
The PW3 is so popular because it’s the cheapest. It’s really that simple. It’s one of the least feature-rich and really does promote a closed ecosystem. The best battery, though, is easily the aPower2, which should be out in the next month or so.
My local company quoted me $26k USD to install two FranklinWH batteries and I thought that was a smoking deal because other companies quote me around $33k for the same setup. Looks like they were trying to clear out inventory for the new aPower2, which I must say, is going be a good competition against the Powerwall 3. Just gotta wait and see how much it'll cost.
@@BMWguy206 $26k is pretty insane for two. If I was offered that right now, I’d take it instead of waiting out for the new one. I’m getting quoted $19k for one.
Over in this part of the world it is *probably* Fox ESS at #1 (EP11 and EP5 batteries probably the cheapest per kWh of the main contenders, ballpark is $300/kWh excluding inverter, installation, etc), GivEnergy #2 (ballpark $400/kWh excluding inverter, installation, ...), the PW2, PW3, SolarEdge and Enphase are considered a premium / expensive offering with a very high cost per kWh, and a fairly small market share. Never even heard of Franklin. The market is different because firstly the grid is reliable so people generally don't care or even think about home backup, and given that air-con is basically non-existent in a domestic setting, the load-start is mostly irrelevant, so a midrange inverter is fine for those people who do want home backup. Secondly hybrid inverters dominate, with a minority of installations using on-roof electronics. The PW3 is likely to be more successful than the PW2 in the long run due to that, but currently the price is much too high compared to the competition, even after you take account of the integrated inverter.
@@ZachSolar The UK, the EU is similar although GivEnergy is mainly a UK supplier so doesn't have a big presence elsewhere. Energy costs are high (probably similar to California, in the region of 35c/kWh), so the main use of batteries is time-shifting production to peak export rates + evening usage, and similarly time-shifting imports from cheap periods to use at more expensive times of the day.
Regarding Tesla's market share, they’ll be their own worst enemy. I've heard the PW3 isn't even available right now, and their solar batteries are competing with their car batteries-with the car batteries winning.
I installed a PW3 system on Sept.9 in NC and it handled a week of power outage from hurricain Helene without going below 55% charge overnight, and fully charging by noon from solar the next day.
When you support Elon's Tesla you support Trump indirectly. I no longer support Tesla for this reason. I am so glad we have options like Enphase and PointGuard.
Why wouldn’t you support Trump? Obviously Elon is a smart man and teamed up with him for a reason. Do have a Facebook account you’re going to cancel too? It’s time for people to start thinking for themselves and not be afraid to fight for what’s right.
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Thanks for watching! If anyone here has a battery system from the manufacturers we discussed today, let me know your experience here in the comments!
It truly seems like Tesla is ahead of everyone when it comes to stats, install, and aesthetics.
Every manufacturer has their advantage but Tesla seems like the best product for most people. Not all people, but most people.
These are great points here!
Your videos are so well informed and concise. Packed full of useful info, with no unnecessary info. Thank you for everything!
That really means a lot! I appreciate your support and positive comments.
Right? I always look forward for new videos from Zach Solar.
@@BMWguy206 Much appreciated my friend 🙏
Thank you for the info! I live in Queen Creek. I have a solar edge and LG battery installed previously and have just received the site assessment for a power wall/solar/powershare whole house addition. Thank you for taking the time to provide this comparison!!
Thank you, I’m glad it was helpful!
That will be a nice upgrade 🔋
Just got a pw3. Impressed so far. Straight forward and quick install. 10kw on the roof. Can run 2 - 5 ton units.
Very nice! Enjoy it ☀️
Do you have a Gateway 2 or Gateway 3? I made a deposit on one PW3 and is currently in the design and planset phase. It'll be AC coupled with my current solar system.
@@BMWguy206 Gateway 3
@@ddivinia I had a local company told me that the Gateway 3 can't be AC coupled with my current solar system and recommended the FranklinWH. They had a good price but I dumped them and went with another company.
Installing 27 410 watt panels and two powerwall 3 batteries on 12/9 -12/10. I've watched all your videos any got a ton of information. Thank you for that.
Great to hear! Very nice setup you’re getting there. Thanks for watching!
I live Illinois, 20 400W Qcells and and a PW3, installed and online in Dec.
3 panels South, 7 East, 10 West.
1-1 net metering.
Thanks for you for your videos!:)
Sweet setup! Did you get the battery for backup protection or just for having a better overall system? Can’t go wrong either way!
@ Backup, probably overkill.
But with the 30% rebate, and a new install, I figured it was the right decision.
It's worth it long term IMO
@ Thank’s, keep up the great work, I enjoy your channel.
We have 3 PWal 2's, and would like another. Any idea when the PW3 can be interfaced with existing Powerwall 2's? Also, we have the gateway, if we got a Cybertruck could it do the powershare right away? ... Thanks. ... Graeat shows, informative (btw, we also have APSystems micro inverters using with the PW2's, love the system).
Thank you for watching! Tesla says “sometime” in 2025 for the PW3 to be compatible with the 2.
Cybertruck would be compatible with your PWs but that is pending a software release that I guess is also supposed to come out in “2025”. A lot to look fwd to!
Great comparison video Zach! I guess maybe by the end of this year or early next year, I would like to see a comparison video between PointGuard and Anker Solix X1 against the Powerwall 3
Thanks, I appreciate it! Great suggestion. I can do that. There are a lot of battery manufacturers right now. It’s cool to see all of the competition.
I just got 2 pw3 and so far so good but I have a question for you for some reason the pw3 sometimes go to standby and l start to pulling power from the grid and normally it happens on the night and the pw3 are at 50% and the back up limit is set at 10%.
Any thoughts on this?
It’s likely the time-based control settings taking over. Basically, it’s preserving battery power and prioritizing using grid power since it’s likely off-peak. Are you on time-based or self-powered mode?
@@ZachSolar self powered mode
If I use time -based it gets worse 🤷🏻
@@maximilianogomez5963 hmm, that’s not normal. I’d try resetting the system (link below) and if that doesn’t work I’d give support or your installer a call.
service.tesla.com/docs/Public/Energy/Powerwall/Powerwall-3-Owners-Manual-NA-EN/GUID-D239D3CE-AED7-41EA-88C0-13566FDF966C.html
@@ZachSolar Definitely I’m going to reset the system and then go from there.
Thanks.
Great video. I was wondering if you have heard any news when Tesla will allow the Powerwall's to be charged by a generator?
Thank you! And I’ve heard rumors that could happen. But Tesla is so finicky with that stuff. They are definitely missing a market by not having a generator input.
I have an EG4 inverter and batteries for my off grid house, almost a year in service and no issues, works great. Just over 30 kWh in batteries
@@slugbyte Awesome to hear that! That’s a nice setup you have there
@ZachSolar thanks, I run 3 mini split AC units 24/7 and a small window unit for the solar equipment room. I'll be moving my panels from my roof to a ground mount system that I'll build, I haven't seen a ground mount system that one side is close to the ground and the other side is adjustable, so when a hurricane comes I can just lower them all flat to the ground. All of our water is rainwater collected too, 10k gallons of storage. I'm watching all your recent videos!
I went the Tesla route b/c already had two Tesla EVs. Love the single app. Depending on the state (eg california) you may be eligible to join their VPP with the powerwall to feed the grid during peak demand times. It’s not available here in OH but wished it was.
Very cool setup! I'm with you. I would love to have VPP in my area as well.
My local installer just confirmed my order and pricing to have two PW3s installed to my existing Enphase PV system,. After incentives, I'm getting two PW3s installed for less than $16K, $33,500 before, and V2H charging will be icing on the cake. The only issue for me has been availability. I placed my order back in Sept and anticipating a Jan install.
Great to hear that got all sorted out! Hope the install goes smooth. Enjoy your new PW3 setup 🔋
I was hoping to see the EG4 being compared. I am considering that for a solar and battery install.
@@ArtAaron EG4 makes a quality product. Just didn’t make it on the list for this video. The contenders were selected based on market share.
@@ZachSolar I understand. I had a solar installer tell me to stick with Tesla or Enphase. Worried about not being battle tested in the marketplace. Thanks for answering me.
@@ArtAaron You got it! I have content on EG4 on my short list of future videos coming soon. Thanks for watching 😀
Can you do a comparison of eg4 and powerwall please
Sure. That will be a video I can do within the next couple months.
I’m gathering quotes for solar + battery for my house (you’re not local to me, sorry!). A couple of them are suggesting panels with Enphase micro inverters along with a Tesla Powerwall. Aren’t the Enphase micro inverters redundant since the Powerwall has a built in inverter? Can’t they just go straight from the panels to the battery without the need for micro inverters? Seems like a big unnecessary cost unless I’m missing something.
The microinverters are redundant in this case. I’d ask them why they recommend that over using the Powerwall’s inverter. Curious their response. Without knowing more about your situation and their quotes, it’s hard to say the logic here.
Hey Zach! Amazing content as usual. Very new to the industry- Do u offer mentorship? If so, how can I contact you? 😊
I appreciate your support! Nothing formal at this point. But if you need any help or have questions, just shoot me an email and I would be happy to take a look at it! infozachsolar@gmail.com
The average cost per kwH you mention I'm guessing is not including the cost of solar panels and installation of panels on roof?
Cost shown is ~per kWh for the battery storage only (assuming it’s being installed with a solar system)
Is there any information on Tesla DC-X module?
Hey Hector, not quite yet since it's looking to be closer to end of December on actual delivery. I will be sure to let you know as soon as I have more intel. Thank you!
@@ZachSolar They are coming tomorrow start the installation. I am curious about the cost, I just need to know how much I need for the dc-x installation. I did not budget for the gateway . I need to add to the shoe box.
My local solar company, located in Southern CA, told me they're taking orders now and available in November. However, they quoted me an additional $10,000 to install one DC Expansion battery and that includes tax and labor.
What do you think of point guard?
It looks impressive on paper! I think it will do well in the market. I'm just curious on its price point. I plan on doing a comparison video of PointGuard's battery and the Tesla Powerwall in the near future.
@ can’t wait for ur video
Whats with the calibration mode getting caught in a loop? Glitch in their software or something? The app will tell you to cycle batteries and breakers at the box. Tech told me don't it will put them back to factory default. Finally all 3 back taking a charge. Took me 3 days on the grid to get it out of the calibration mode. Have no idea if they calibrated or not haa. PW3's 2024/Nevada
@@redoc69 I’ve never had to do a calibration personally so I’m not sure. If it’s getting caught in a loop it’s definitely a software glitch. That’s frustrating though!
@@ZachSolar Pretty sure it's built in the system and starts automatically ~2 months after power up per Tesla rep and verified by Netzero. My 1st kW was produced 11/14/24- PTO 1/8/25 (sad) and it started calibration 1/13/25 @ ~ 22:00 and ended 1/16/25 @ 11: am. I could see on Netzero something was wrong and I contacted Tesla. They said it should take less then 24 hrs.. So after I called the second day they said they would monitored it and fixed the problem. My problem 100 kWh off the grid for those 3 day. Have a 21.2kw system 23 JA solar DP 3.0 $00W and 3 Pw3's. 2450 sq/ft home. with hot tub. Sorry for the bla bla but hope it helps someone. Great Site and knowledge. Thanks
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Great Site !!
@@ZachSolar I does it automatically after about 2 months of power up. It will stay in a calibration loop and Tesla is aware for the problem. I called after 2 days and they said they would monitor it in the morning. It went back on "online" at 11:00 the next day and started to take a charge.
That's crazy that Enphase would take up that much room. My LuxpowerTek 12K LXP, mounted over my StackRack (20kWh) batteries, is only 32 inches wide and in my garage.
I agree. I do think Enphase will counter with a new product soon. And that’s a nice setup! How much PV on your system?
@@ZachSolar 8,280 - 18 REC 420AA Alpha-Pure RX
@DerekRhoads love it. Those mods are top notch!
@@ZachSolar Yeah, I got a good deal on them. It came to .55 per watt, including tax and delivery.
The PW3 is so popular because it’s the cheapest. It’s really that simple. It’s one of the least feature-rich and really does promote a closed ecosystem. The best battery, though, is easily the aPower2, which should be out in the next month or so.
Specs look good! Let’s see how it performs on the release.
My local company quoted me $26k USD to install two FranklinWH batteries and I thought that was a smoking deal because other companies quote me around $33k for the same setup. Looks like they were trying to clear out inventory for the new aPower2, which I must say, is going be a good competition against the Powerwall 3. Just gotta wait and see how much it'll cost.
@@BMWguy206 $26k is pretty insane for two. If I was offered that right now, I’d take it instead of waiting out for the new one. I’m getting quoted $19k for one.
Over in this part of the world it is *probably* Fox ESS at #1 (EP11 and EP5 batteries probably the cheapest per kWh of the main contenders, ballpark is $300/kWh excluding inverter, installation, etc), GivEnergy #2 (ballpark $400/kWh excluding inverter, installation, ...), the PW2, PW3, SolarEdge and Enphase are considered a premium / expensive offering with a very high cost per kWh, and a fairly small market share. Never even heard of Franklin. The market is different because firstly the grid is reliable so people generally don't care or even think about home backup, and given that air-con is basically non-existent in a domestic setting, the load-start is mostly irrelevant, so a midrange inverter is fine for those people who do want home backup. Secondly hybrid inverters dominate, with a minority of installations using on-roof electronics. The PW3 is likely to be more successful than the PW2 in the long run due to that, but currently the price is much too high compared to the competition, even after you take account of the integrated inverter.
It’s nice to hear perspectives from a completely different market. What part of the world are you in?
@@ZachSolar The UK, the EU is similar although GivEnergy is mainly a UK supplier so doesn't have a big presence elsewhere. Energy costs are high (probably similar to California, in the region of 35c/kWh), so the main use of batteries is time-shifting production to peak export rates + evening usage, and similarly time-shifting imports from cheap periods to use at more expensive times of the day.
EcoFlow good too
Good product, just serves a completely different market
Regarding Tesla's market share, they’ll be their own worst enemy. I've heard the PW3 isn't even available right now, and their solar batteries are competing with their car batteries-with the car batteries winning.
As an actual installer, we’ve yet to see that on our end. The Powerwall is very available.
I installed a PW3 system on Sept.9 in NC and it handled a week of power outage from hurricain Helene without going below 55% charge overnight, and fully charging by noon from solar the next day.
@@csmoult sorry to hear about the hurricane! But awesome to hear that your PW3 took good care of you. Hope you’re doing well!
Sorry you are wrong dude. Tesla is the best
I literally said that lol
When you support Elon's Tesla you support Trump indirectly. I no longer support Tesla for this reason. I am so glad we have options like Enphase and PointGuard.
Why wouldn’t you support Trump? Obviously Elon is a smart man and teamed up with him for a reason. Do have a Facebook account you’re going to cancel too? It’s time for people to start thinking for themselves and not be afraid to fight for what’s right.
Goes to show how many people actually support Trump! Look at those PW3 sells! 😅
I am literally choosing tesla just to support Elon/Trump🎉