Cheating is something that has always been around and, as you mentioned, is unlikely to go away anytime soon. However, we are determined to minimize the impact as much as possible by pro-actively addressing new forms of cheating (such as DMA) and ensuring that offenders are removed from the game as quickly as possible. We hope players will continue to report any suspected cheaters they meet as we work together to maintain a fair and fun environment for Delta Force!
i got an email back saying you guys couldnt read a name i submitted for cheating. it was a literal screenshot of the name and because its in chinese and using special letters, i cant type it and send to you, which is why i sent a screenshot. you need to add an option to copy in game names
Hey @DeltaForceGame, Im about my limit, I enjoy the game a lot, I hate cheating. At the point where every other match I get killed by a suspected cheater. I honestly will give up soon. It's a shame Im sure its a complex subject, and I honestly don't understand how it all works or why cheaters exist. But I know there are games that have a better anticheat like Valorant or Overwatch for example. Good luck guys, Ill take a break from the game, I hope to have no cheaters in the future
you guys need to konw they cheat not because they want shit on everyone make themself feel good its because in a extraction fps they can make so many real world money by cheating
Unfortunately cheat developers are leagues ahead of anticheat developers. Until cheats start to have an impact on revenue, we will never see it get better, only worse.
It's because they have people willing to buy these cheats that they have the money and effort to improve. DMA wasn't usually intended specifically for cheating. They were used in the server space for directly accessing the main systems memory. It's used for Windows and Linux servers combined. I doubt that microsoft can help with much of this. If it were that easy. Why can't Battleye and EAC that's currently in majority of the games we play work with Microsoft to combat these problems? DMA isn't really new. It wasn't introduced to us recently. It's been out for a while.
@@hankstorm3135 DMA cheats are old as fuck this didnt started with Warzone back in 2020, they gained recognition mostly with CSGO but they are pretty old. Anti Cheat developers just didnt cared enough because back then they were very niche meanwhile nowadays you can buy them with entire setup you just plug em in for like 50-70$ lol. Back then you had to know what you're doing nowadays anyone can get ready prepared plug n play kits.
The major problem of phishing out hackers in Delta Force is twofold: 1) The hit detection is AWFUL in this game, and no, it's not because of bullet velocity. 2) The head glitches are INSANE. People can literally hide behind walls and still kill you without peeking.
Cheating became so sophisticated that it reached a point that is almost impossible to prevent it. I've been saying for years that kernel anti-cheat would never solve shit, because cheat devs would simply learn to adapt to it. That being said, game devs NEED to start tackling this problem from a completely different angle. My honest suggestion? STOP banning cheaters. We already know that banning doesn't make a difference at all, because people can always create new accounts. Even paid games suffer from this, imagine a free to play game like DF. Not only that, every time a cheater is banned, you are LITERALLY giving cheat devs real time feedback that their software needs to be changed/updated. Believe me, it would make cheat development 10x harder if cheat devs don't have a clue if they are being detected or not. By not banning cheaters, game devs would be giving themselves a massive advantage on that "cat and mouse chase". Now that we know banning cheaters does more harm than good, what do we do then? Simple, once a cheater has been identified, just queue them with other cheaters from now on, WITHOUT giving them a notice. In other words, just quietly separate them from legit players and let them taste their own medicine. That's it. Sure, once they notice that they might have been flagged as a cheater, there is nothing preventing him to create a new account, but because he was never banned in the first place, he might level up his cheater account to a point that it would feel bad for him to create a brand new one. To avoid a cheater noticing to early he got flagged, you can even use the same SBMM system to queue him with light, closet cheaters at first, and then with rage cheaters after, if he is also one himself.
@Holion5604 You're still gonna mix in cheaters with non cheaters if it's based on s SBMM. While there are a lot of cheaters, there's not enough to continuously fill servers so you're going to really screw the top skill players.
We don't know banning cheaters does more harm than good, you claimed there is some harm, if your claims are true it doesn't follow from them that it does more harm then good by banning them, you haven't even thought about how much harm it would cause (by not banning anybody), you are just thinking about a perceived good.
It's especially hard to tell weather or not someone is cheating in Delta Force because they have wall hacks built into the game and ttk in operations is .2 seconds anyway.
Oh yea, not to mention the actual developers, the creators of the actual game, come out and release ban numbers in the thousands and counter active methods to combat the KNOWN ISSUE, so yea youre beyond being able to reason with and you should be outright dejected from any conversations on how to deal with it
I alredy ban 2 cheaters in Operation. One dude kill me without even knowing where I can be(I using Hackclaw...) with 2 headshot's with TIER 2 FMJ AMMO against purple Helmet using M4. Another Dude kill 2 entire teams(we check dog tags) they report him, and I with squad wipe cheater team using Vyron special, after wipe we got comunicat that one of them get ban, dude boosting 2 normal ppl OFC we report them to for playing with cheater.
The game becomes so frustrating. It's night and day difference between a legit lobby and when hackers suddenly join. Most crazy example was doing a flank through the middle tunnel on Shafted. Coming back to the C2 flag my team used a Recon Arrow attacking from the front. I could then see about 15 people all lit up looking towards the attackers. This was going to be an insane flank. I wasn't spotted and suddenly about 5-6 of them started to turn around and I could literally watch them track me through the walls as I approached from the side. All I could do was say "WTF" I wasn't even sprinting, so sound wouldn't have been a factor. Naturally two charged me jumped and pre-fired the corner and insta killed me.
If they implement a CS2 style overwatch system. It would get rid of most of these cheaters who can bypass the kernel level anti cheat. Because when they're being watched. They're going to be extra careful.
@@Azeos_s I wasn'tt spotted by a recon arrow. I was using Stinger(Medic), and the players that turned around which were wallhacked from my team from the very opposite end to my flank, were easy to make out. 2x Uluru's, Stinger, 2 x D-wolfs. Funny enough the Luna players that I could see didn't even turn, at all. You literally see them track me through the wall. Not a turn and look around like they heard something. Just turned and instantly looked straight at me. All of them, at the same time. LOL
@@rickd6914 yea meant your team if they wre next to you that arrow gave position away but yea there lot of sus players but the game itself don't help shake off that feeling with desync etc..
Government could care less about useless "gamers". That cannot and will never happen mate. Just take the guy suing Minecraft for example, he just raised like half a million dollars to sue them and thats the bare minimum for the class action lawsuit xD can almost garuntee the second he walks into the court room, the judge is going to shoo him off and talk to him like a child saying "no one cares please leave the court house, DENIED (hammer swing) and Microsoft will get that much richer. Regardless of how nasty the EULA changes and gambling issues are, and regardless of the thousands of dollars stolen from childrens parents in hopes of getting that 0.0001% (actually secretly 0.00000000000001%) chance of getting that custom modeled sword with sharpness 7
Bro spent years designing a Minecraft server with guns and weapony all custom models.. and Microsoft randomly forced mojang to add new rules to the EULA (without editing the Eula) causing a riot. Saying guns are not allowed. Knowing nobody can do anything about it because its a fictional 2D world.
In the grand scheme of things, there are more important problems to solve in the world, I doubt we will reach a cheat ban soon. That said, it doesn't stop authorities from shutting down cheater dev organizations from time to time, given the amount of money they get and how they affect legit business
With all the push for age and identity verification for social media, I expect something to follow suit for online gaming soon enough. If everything you do is tied to your government ID, that makes enforcing ToS and the sorts way easier. Once you are banned, you are banned, no new accounts, no new nothing. You're gone, forever.
They should implement a law and make it a federal offense. Punishable by law. Connect the offence to making damage to companies income by ruining the game. Should start at $50,000 and second offence: jail time.
i say the exact same thing for years now. this has nothing to do with "i cheat for fun" like it used to be. it's tryhard kids that can't do shit without their cheats and as long as noones gonna slap them in the face they won't stop. make ppl use their passports/ID's to create an account, put them on an list for everyone to see (like an registered SO list) and you'll see how fast the cheating problem becomes less of a problem.
Kernal lvl AC still needs to be aware of the cheat, it cant detect cheat vectors that it isnt aware of, its impossible to detect dma cards as you can change the hwid to any device, you can make windows see it as say a nic or a sound card, i will say this AC is way better than cod, its allways be a cat and mouse thing, its impossible to remove all cheating in games, do you know if delta force has an active AC team that plays??
They have been doing this crap on battlefield for years. Esp + aimbot, wall toggle hacks. They have been getting away with it forever and its the same old websites that keep selling this stuff. Until game developers start suing and going after these websites, it will never stop.
If you want people to keep playing it despite the cheaters, add a PVE mode. Gray Zone did it and it works great. You can still experience the game without having to deal with them.
challenging pve mode nowadays seems to be the only way to play online games :) Helldivers2 is a good example. We need something like they did with shoot and loot.
Literally 99% of cod streamers. Just ask them if they run 2 PC setup and wallah, report them for cheating. Anyone running 2 PC system in games that have literally 0 anti cheat just report them immediately, and even send there accounts to the devs. The more complaints the more they get banned. Simple and easy. You're welcome for the answer to destroying the cheater pandemic
I came here because at several games, the same person(in each game) can just know where people are hiding. Shoot walls, started shoot before seeing a person, and during jump, can auto turn and instant kill.
if you are putting thousands into not only a gaming PC but a cheat setup, you are more pathetic than I ever thought possible. like my god. Though I do also believe that devs should just stop banning cheaters and instead troll them. We all know they keep getting new accounts whenever they get banned so why keep banning when you can just have fun with em and troll? ricochet damage, automatically destroy vehicles, upon entry, constant ESP on self so everyone on map knows exactly where you are at all times, etc. have fun with em.
Literally just downloaded and tried this game and yes after just 1 match I can say there are many many many... questionable players currently in this game
It’s more likely that you’re just another one of these people who think everyone’s cheating. I downloaded the game 2 days ago and have been playing since and maybe ran into 1 suspicious death. Y’all here there are cheaters then assume anyone better must be one
Why does everyone think this is only in operations? It is happening in warfare too and not just a little bit. The fact is that a good warfare player can outplay an average person using cheats. Warfare is very position and map knowledge based and cheats don't help as much in that game mode. I play warfare to a reasonably high level and see cheaters all the time, but they don't always top the scoreboard, they're usually just average, but happen to have freakish aim / ability to know when you're coming around a corner. They usually die because they lack game sense and run into stupid situations that even hacks can't get them out of.
@@remedy84 its the exact same for extraction though. map knowledge... game sense... spawn locations/choke points/entrances/exits... ammo/gun/armor/repair set ups, they all play such a massive part. the amount of 3 man squads you can hear running from 150m away, absolutely clueless of your prescence, yet your whole squad are already set up for them, then brrrrrap brrrrappp brrrrapppp the squad with purple bullets sleeps the bambi squad with recruit/standard tickets in just a few moments. i felt really bad last night, my mate just joined us for the first time... so we're on easy mode zero dam just absolutely deletings the noobs.
I believe there should be a legal way to report and hold accountable the creators and users of cheats in online multiplayer games. These actions not only ruin the gaming experience but also cause moral and psychological harm, as well as waste the valuable time of honest players. A regulatory intervention could be a first step to protect the community.
Wrongful bans are inevitable in online games. Moreover, game companies hold the power of life and death over players. Therefore, it is currently not feasible to enact relevant laws.
These people don't think in reasonable terms. Their pastime (making others miserable in a video game) is a projection of how miserable they themselves are.
@@furytheredhead imagine being that miserable and unskilled that you actually have to buy that piece of equipment... imagine being the father of that child and the child asks... 'i need this little box for my console/pc' and then you find out what it does.... i would banish them from the family home forever, sleep outside in the shed for bringing such great shame and humiliation to the family! sorry kid im removing your pc coz your shit at gaming... here's a football go outside and try that instead noob child!
Granted, it would be annoying to kind of get up to a certain rank just to get into certain modes, but at this point if the cheating is that bad Then you know, the old sang 'Desperate times call for desperate measures'
The fact the starting price is up to £1,000 plus subscription puts it out of reach of most players. The Pro's on the other hand can make it pay. But if the devs have found a way around DMA hacking or at least being able to detect is awesome. Though I think it's only detectable by watching someone play. See if they pre-aim, have an enormous amount of headshots, does the reticule seem to snap to a player?
Dma does not cost up to 1,000 you can buy a dma card as low as $50 thats mostly if you live in china where its sourced but outside of china I have seen it as low as $100 the fuser is also $100 kmbox is either $40-$50 and the fuser and kmbox is optional kmbox is for aimbot and tirggerbot thats if you want that you can buy it not needed tho. Fuser is for overlaying the cheats esp from the second pc to your monitor if you dont get it it will stay on your second pc and on a different monitor. Hence why some pros get called out for cheating "he keep looking to his side to a different monitor" let say you dont get the kmbox or fuser you only get the dma card for $100 you need something called firmware its where it hides your dma from anticheats people sell them and each fw supports either all anti cheat systems or few. The more AC support the more expensive. I know places that sell really good fw as low as $100 so $200 in total rn than you need a second pc you can buy a mini pc from $150-$200 and in that range you get really good specs so the cheat can run smoothly with no issues. I know this all because I own everything for dma cheating.
@Gandy_cfw free cfw and get banned fast. Spend $100-200 get a fully emulated fw that supports many ACs and you will be fine. I literally bought a $175 Emulated fw last night that supports Ricochet,Vac,Be,Eac-Eos/Ace,CN-Ace. Also supports Faceit if you got a 100t card.
@@gmathieson7184 your mad that you have to run into someone like me and ruin your day? Imagine a hard day and you come home to play 2 games and run into someone like me and you go off with a more shitty day? Keep on coping.
The crazy part is that my experience hasn’t even been bad. I ran into one cheater and I pushed into him so I couldn’t tell he was cheating until the game said I died to one and gave me all the gear I went into that raid with. I hope it gets better for everyone and I hope delta force doesn’t stop trying. They already are doing good with cheater compensation. They just need to actually stop the cheats
I left this dump, here are a few catastrophic and fundamental reasons.: 1. The rest of the hit registration 2. Very, very serious desync 3. A fake ping that writes 60, but in fact, the packet loss on the server is huge, so you can't kill anyone at point blank range - there is no registration. And they kill you in 0.1 seconds. Even if the enemy and the weapon need time to fire for 0.4 seconds, you still won't see it, you die instantly. You haven't seen the enemy yet, you're already dead. 4. Cheaters. There are a lot of them, even in battles, even in sieges. Today, a guy like that was lying on a spawn and killed half a card later. 5. Reporters don't work in battles, in my opinion. 6. SBMM and a game with bots that kill you with a pistol without missing while jumping with their backs. Or at 60 meters with an ultrasound without a miss, they hit 3 in the head. At the same time, there are people playing in your team who can't do anything. And so on for 20 matches in a row. During the month of playing, I got on good servers twice, guys, these were my best games of the month. Just two, that's it. Everything else is negative, cheaters, no registration, bots in the team, out of sync. Sorry, I wrote through Google Translate. It hurts 😁
I had the same impressions after playing all the Alpha tests. The game was a mess then and nothing has changed now. They're a scummy Chinese company who are trying to make a quick buck. Installing their kernel level anti-cheat is absolutely absurd, as even they know that it doesn't work. It's hilarious seeing content creators shill the game, knowing full well that they've been paid off. Hell, they even offer gift card incentives in the official Discord. Absolutely abysmal practices.
U don't need to use google translate on YT, spell ur lang directly, there is inbuild translator in YT so everyone can press a button and see translation :) Also I`m on opticfiber ethernet and I don't have any issues like u mentioned EXCEPT "netcode" and "hit registration" exactly, but with nvidia low latency it's not that bad...
sorry to hear that you cant play the game... unfortunately for you, as a washed up 35 year old stoner, i can tell you that most of my lobbys are totally fine and its a rarity that i encounter a cheater, and i play with 2 other washed up stoners so not only do we have poor reactions times, we are under the influence to make ourselves even worse... and yet we are still able to play this game loot, kill, scav/mission run extract. the hackers exist. but nowhere near as bad as you lot say. plus im EU which comes in a close 2nd to china for the number of hackers. you need a good pc, good aim, good eyes, good brain/game sense. we played for 7.5hrs yesterday, lucky if i encountered 1 sus enemy and i didn't even report him because i thought he probably narrowly had line of site on me (you people will cry that its a head glitch, but he had very slight height advantage so i couldnt see his head but he could see mine). Space city however is just hack city. you should avoid there and play anywhere else. and play like your delta force... dont play like delta FARCE
@@gmathieson7184Unfortunately, I'm not the only one with these problems, and I'm not the only person with similar problems. I'm fine with my skills, I've been playing shooters for over 15 years, so don't worry, I'm fine with tactics and shooting. With a computer, too, be sure. Yes, there are such problems with the servers, I can't change it and influence the situation, it happens. So I just deleted the game, everything is fine.
Saw a guy streaming the other day and the aiming looks like he's just snapping onto enemies. It's so many suspicious kills on this game. Game needs a kill cam
They should make a system where you have to deposit like $20 to play operations and you can get it back at a later date if you want but you cant queue unless ypu have the deposit and if they are caught cheating they lose the money. Something like that.
most of the cheaters in the game are not using this metho though. 99% of cheaters are just buying a daily or weekly code and the anti cheat cant even stop that. This DMA stuff is just an excuse
They should stop banning cheaters and just move to dedicated cheater servers where they can enjoy their cheats together. Banning just lets them know they have been detected. Detect and segregate. It's happening now to a degree where legit players are segregating themselves by leaving and not playing.
@@Macintosh007 I think in case of Warzone it failed easily because you can notice it easily that "Hey I think I got shadowbanned". This type of banning could be helpful (not that It will absolutely fixing the cheating issue) for people to encounter less cheater. The amount of time that cheater didn't know he got shadowban is the time that normal player won't face that cheater.
The reality is every PvP game has a population of cheaters. What keeps me playing a PvP game is determined by a developers' efforts in trying to combat the cheats, and if the fun factor outweighs the frustrations of encountering cheaters.
I don't understand why, in the netcode, your PC have in memory the position of hiden ennemies. The position should only be sent to client by server when the ennemy is in sight of the player. That would solve 100% of wallhack, letting only aimbot working.
Your client needs to know that information so it knows where to play foot step audio and other things like that. You could argue the client doesnt need every bit of info on other players which is true to a point but unfortunately the hardware limits and the network infrastructure we have all over the world make it difficult to code the game in a way that makes cheating impossible in FPS games where the game needs to process commands and info very quickly. It sucks but our tech (personal computers and our home networks) just werent made with FPS cheats in mind. If safe guards could be built in like with a console, it makes things better but most people wont risk the sacrifice of losing privacy on their home pc for kernel level anti cheat. The only real way at the moment to deter cheaters is to make cheating such a hassle that they realize its not worth their time which is why we get things like level requirements in order to play ranked or steams trust factor for CS.
Even if it's server side, there will always be a way to know where the players are, client side. Using Audio, using the pixels on the screen, etc ... Cheating company make ton of money selling cheat, you can't really fight against it. Not the same budget.
Your client has all the files need for the game to run, but it doesnt know where enemies are or their health or armour. In order to see what youre hitting the server needs to tell your client "their on this cord this is their health blablabla". Its like youre trying to make coffee you have everything you need in your cup(client) but you dont have water(info) which you need from the kettle(sever). With the cup but you cant get water from the kettle that means no coffee.
First of all, no kill cam is so bad and out of date. It helps the cheaters a lot , not having this very basic feature. I think, they could train A.i. to watch every single player and decide if the kill is possible/realistic non cheating or not. There is so much player material, that training material for what is allowed should be no problem. How much would this take on the hardware/server side is another question.
This is one of those games where cheating defeats the whole purpose of the game. The part of not knowing where the enemy operators are, and anxiety and rush of trying to survive with your loot, is what makes the game fun. If you know where everyone is, and have an aim bot, you’re are just lying to yourself. Low self esteem, if your a troll cheater it’s one thing but to cheat and act legit is the must coward thing someone can do in the gaming community
@@razormodz1173 just because a certain system failed does not mean other systems will not. Plenty things have failed, all it takes is one that will succeed. AI is the only thing that will stop cheaters.
Cheating is theft. Theft of time, money, enjoyment, mostly time and enjoyment which is in short supply for most people, and should be punishable by law. Websites selling them should be stopped, and sellers receive hefty fines and 50 lashes ( yes i mean it). Broadcast live on YT and twitch. Users receive perma bans. Your cheating 100s if not 1000s of people from their hobby, their enjoyment but cheating yourself most of all.
What really needs to happen is true SBMM in all aspects of the game as well as in ops there needs to be gear limits such as Easy mode is blue gear and blue ammo as top tier, purple can drop from loot but not be worn, normal mode opens it up to gold tier for gear and ammo and then a hard mode which further opens it up to red gear. This would be fair for ALL players in this mode as it would stop the high geared folks from coming in and wiping lobbies so easily when they know they barely have any risk to themselves. Also make it so that high rank players have a significant loss to rank when playing easy and then being killed. There is no legitimate argument against what I've proposed other than from those who are cheaters, all of us who aren't cheaters want something like this to be implemented.
I havent really felt the cheating if I am honest, idk if I am just ignorant of it. I get within top 5 basically every game, sure I do wonder how people get around 100 kills a game but there is tons of UA-camrs out there making vids of them doing it, so my brain doesnt go cheating from it.
yes youre ignorant, this video literally demonstrates not only video proof, but also the known ways the cheat engines operate. If after literal video proof, and and common consensus among the community you go to yourself "well dur, i dunnoooo about it i havent seen it with my own eyes durrr" than yea youre an ignorant pompous fool
This setup to cheats is not for the common players. As the diagram show. Some of the streamers are doing this then it follows down to the viewers and casuals players.
From what I've heard DMA is also not that common since it's very expensive to get (the shown setup costing somewhere in the ball park of a thousand dollars). However kernel level cheats tend to hide pretty well unless thwarted by Secure Boot, which cheaters can easily just disable. The only way to kill cheating completely is to drop anonimity and associate each and every account with a goverment issued ID to identify the real person. Which is a problem on many fronts, ranging from the fact that nobody wants to store such information (with good reason, you'd become a prime target for hackers) to being able to verify wether that ID is indeed real or just made up to some large markets like the US greatly lagging behind on the goverment ID tech front. That's not even touching on the idea of dropping any idea of anonimity (not to be confused with privacy, which doesn't really change much)
it's often the reason why they add a "Portal Mode" allowing hosted games to be monitor by admin's allowing to kick any cheater out like BF3-4 had to host servers, I even wanted them to add a private portal mode where the player can play with AI's instead where they can level up and unlock items similar to BF2042 since you can host your own portal and do challenges being FREE of hackers.
Anti-cheats can be thought of as locks. Locks do not stop thieves. A good thief will be able to break into advanced locks. What the advancement of anti-cheats do is progressively making entry for cheaters higher and higher until it comes to a point where the financial investments to circumvent anti-cheats systems is not worth it for most cheaters and or cheat developers.
It Needs to do like CS. 4 buttons: play in the game in people who have played 25, 50, 100, 250hours. It doesn't solve this problem, but it decreases the quantity of cheaters.
I have 0 interest in anything except warfare. If the game requires you to do the stupid extraction crap, I wouldn't play the game. That's the downside of that approach.
Every multiplayer game that’s online has cheaters or hackers or modders. Can’t stop it all. But if you can make it too expensive for the creators to make cheats, therefore people can’t afford the cheats, you drastically cut down the amount of cheaters.
I report when I get shot in the game. We can't know who is cheating. If he doesn't use cheats anyway, he won't be banned. But if he is guilty, he will be banned and removed from the game. Only in this way can we clean up cheaters.
I saw your whole chain about this topic (Exposing The Hidden World of HACKERS In Battlefield 2042 and Interview With a Battlefield 2042 Cheat Developer (Full Uncut)) and I must say it is very informative and despite how much I hatet any form of unfair advantage the guy you was talking to was seems like a normal man with different opinion and respect that. Despite all what he said I hope that AI can detect cheating paterns (ESP - player tracking through textures, AIM bot - some statistically impossible reactions and so on) without impacting performance. The only thing that I would like to know is how old he is because in couple of days I will be 40 and Iam playing with much older guys and still I have no urge to cheat despite Iam bad. Great series
The fact that coders write tools for games to gain unfair advantages instead of counter tools or even making their own games is beyond me. Those guys could be making way more money doing those things but instead of applying themselves they decide to make everyone else’s lives miserable. Sure it’s “just a game”, but if they were also “gamers” they know its meant to be a “stress free escape”, a way to get away from reality, not have to deal with the reminder of it. So these guys cause more issues for others over entertainment.
Cheating in this game is massive because of you can make money out of it. I've seen so many cheaters selling carries so the buyers can get all the loot, 5 million to 10 million per run and they are making 30-50 dollars per hour, that's why cheating in operation mode is so massive.
i’m just flat losing interest in FPS games. every one of them has either people playing the dirtiest way they can, abusing exploits, or cheating. or ruined by manipulative EOMM/SBMM. gaming is supposed to be fun, and FPS games are less and less fun anymore. it’s always something. this is yet another game that these losers just HAVE to ruin.
Sadly, I think the best way to deal with cheating isn't detecting and banning them, but going after the company creating/selling those cheat in the first place. The problem is that it required a lot of ressources that aren't always available for smaller company. The other problem is that those waste of air (cheaters) are feeding those compagnies so much money that they have a lot of incencitives to just start again if they are ever catch. This type of game has always been plague with cheater sadly and hoping for them to stop buying them is just a waste of time and evergy. Any way, I'll still be playing this game because Delta Force has been doing an incredible job and hope they keep going.
our sole option to play videogames back then was to play them on dedicated machines (consoles). At some point in time someone brought videogames to PCs and since then PCs started supporting games along with their main purpose. Cheating cannot be dealt with as long as we play videogames on a device whose main purpose is not playing videogames, the vulnerabilities we have on windows are not there by mistake, are there because they would not be considered "vulnerabilities" if it wasn't for gaming, DMA is there because they are used in servers and now it's considered a bad deal because we are trying to play videogames on devices that have adapted themselves to host videogames. I'll stand on my hill, the cheating issue can be greatly reduced in 1 way only: - have gaming upscaled and recognised enough to trigger some governmental figures, have an entity in charge of the login systems and everyone who wants to login to play videogames has to make an account in this platform, have the account registration require the actual person's ID, and if someone is caught cheating and gets banned he's out from the whole videogame industry. Along with sanctions.
PC had videogames long before console if you're implying that it was console only at one time. Need a bit of research done on that, most consoles are PC hardware with a propriatary operating system with the hardware being low power PC components nowadays. It's always been like this. As far as cheaters in online multiplayer goes, they need to start going to prison and being fined heavily. Let that happen a bunch of times and people will take pause before doing it.
Crazy how much these cheaters are so hell bent in cheating, they'd spend a lot of money for all these gadgets just to get a high number on a pixel in a screen. Are they that much of a loser, that they consider "winning" in these video games a kind of life achievement? Pathetic.
That was the only benefit to SBMM in COD. You very rarely saw a cheater because high K/D was paired with high K/D. It was essentially cheaters vs cheaters towards the end. It's really no different to people using VPN's to get into bot/easy lobbies.
Even if the game is free, a DMA card is fairly pricy (in comparison). Since there are sellers there must be a market but it is kind of mind boggling that someone would spend 100+ dollars to cheat in a game.
I truly don't get why people care so much about kernel level anti cheats. I mean, has there ever actually been a mass breach because of an anti cheat software? I just don't worry about that kind of crap. If it happens, it happens. These people that miss out on great games because of odd sticking points like that, more power to you. But, there's no changing it at this point. Sadly. Cheaters should be blanket banned from even buying games. I'm not sure why they can't stomp this stuff out. There just HAS to be something unique to these cheaters that can easily be identified as being not present on a normal players computer OR abilities within game. I mean, a basic AI analyzes what's going on in each match should be able to be taught to identify "huh, that guy just killed a player .001 seconds after he revealed himself behind a wall..." "this character is continually looking at characters not visible." ETC.
Legit players vs cheaters.. these guys got aimbot and running full speed , not peaking corners like the legit players .. and ends up just beaming you in the head while jumping around on your screen 😅 I don’t play normal mode anymore bc it’s a waste of 100k just to die to cheaters
i completely understand someone wanting to beat the system and inventing a way to do it but just buying something someone else made in order to cheat in a game has never made any sense to me
Part of making Anti-Cheats requires reverse engineering knowledge, and obviously if you make smth, have fun making it and suddenly it’s no longer working, it makes you feel challenged and as such you start making more and more advanced ways to get around the fix…. And unfortunately, being a Reverse engineer by default makes a Dev far more competent than any game or anti-cheat dev can ever be, just because reverse engineering needs one to look at the smallest level of anything, something normal game devs just can’t do. I myself, along with some other friends have re’d many games, and I cannot tell you just how much fun it is to code cheats for those games (obv I only make for “single”-ish player games). So I can’t imagine just how the Cheat devs feel… I hope this clears up why cheaters and by extension cheat devs (many devs don’t even actually play the game they make a cheat for) always continue doing it.
@@ianimewhatif862 what? You said you did single player games. You wont get introuble even if its multiplayer games. They come after you if you are selling it. Only thing they do if your using it for personal use is banning you.
@@PonelyPonely The Games I made these cheats for are known for going after anyone cheating,and even if, you can look at most games yk of that are single player, I’ve previously done games like Elden Ring (especially with the new update, Shadow of the Erdtree). And obviously which Games I created cheats for aren’t important, it’s important to know that Devs, especially those who know what they are doing take any fixes the games do as a challenge and as such continue until the cheat works again, it doesn’t even have to be cheats.
A big way these cheats work (and not just on Delta Force) especially the way the rent-a-cheat style (cheaters often use this style when they have no fancy hardware for cheats) whether it be a monthly or weekly subscription is through a VPN stule subcription service. so there's no malicious looking hardware or programs on their PC. They are playing through the internet and the cheat host's PC or server is running the cheats and sending the info to an overlay the cheaters screen. There's many vids on youtube on how this works. Making it so you can't use VPNs while playing the game will help quite a bit I bet.
@MrSunglxzz I cannot remember, it was about 2 years ago. It was something like "why cheating is so hard to combat on online FPS games" or something. Then there are a few "Interview with a Tarkov Cheater" vids where the cheaters explain how the cheat service is basically a VPN making their hardware and software look clean to the games they play. They also explained they use the same cheat service to cheat on multiple games. They explained how the cheat was an overlay streamed over their gameplay etc. A lot of the cheats are not game specific. Especially aimbot. ESP has to go deeper in the games code. Now with AI programming programs they can crack the game code in a day to use ESP on a brand new game. Anyway I've watched probably 30 hours of vids on cheats and how they are almost undetectable in the last 2 years to try to figure out how to combat cheating on FPS games short of having invisible admins watching the game like in quite a few big DayZ servers.
Either implement a level system that you have to reach before you play with real people, OR make the game cost $10-$20 make an announcement that it'll cost money by a certain date but those who have it in there library don't have to worry. The Microsoft thing sounds promising.
Tbh the point of anticheat is not to stop cheating completely, thats impossible, but rather to make cheating hard, take effort, money, whatever else, that limits the number of people cheating because it filters out all the poor people and all the lazy people.
Operations is not the only place cheating is taking place. Warfare is now ramped and is getting to a point where some players have quit the game! This company, who built this game, needs to take a stand on what they built!
I think about 60% people cheat in the normal difficulty lobbies. It's just impossible to beat this 35-years John with a GOD of war rank or whatever it's called in english. He just came from his 16 hour shift and he shits on everyone he meets in admin of zero dam. Yea yea i believe this guy.
First and foremost, every game should implement an improved killcam (and save replays to provide evidence of suspicious behavior). Subsequently, when players submit feedback about a potential cheater, an operator should review the replay and determine if cheating has occurred. By implementing this system, many cheaters can be swiftly banned without relying solely on automated systems.
Playing online shooters has become such a drag for me. It's not much fun with all the cheating. I used to obsessed about gettingy aim flicky and accurate not anymore. I just play single player now.
EFT never done anything similar to prevent cheating :) garbage company with garbage anti-cheat :) so please don't compare them with DF and effort this company tries to do :) just a side note, EFT is 8 years in beta =-] gl for them
4:04 the fact that DMA is the Operating System-agnostic method of cheating for these games but DF also has bots in servers suggests that the reason for the Linux ban isn't for anti cheat, it's because they want to be the only ones botting. No players are allowed to be botting, only the Devs 😂
Ive been saying for ages that this game feels hacked and have been told to STF up so nice to see it officially recognised - cheers Ghost well done matey. I think we need more SINGLE PLAYER games to come out now. Have you tried 6 Days in Fallujah yet BTW - give it a go its on Steam - do a video please.
if they make an arbitrary barrier for entering operations, cheaters are gonna make bot farms: lots of computers running the game on afk to level up accounts, and people will complain on the influx of bots
1st problem is the developer is a liar. I find it difficult to believe anything they said when the 1st problem occurred. We all go through alpha, we experienced firsthand how bots disguised as players and we all assume it is a cheater. After release, with MMR and bots still running around, how do we know they are a real player with a cheat or just bots like in alpha? That is how mesh and unclear this game is. After we confirmed the developer was hiding tons of information about the game. I just couldn't take whatever they said seriously.
Trying to detect cheaters this way is dumb. You don't need that when you can just detect them statistically. If you have a guy that has an insane KDA ratio consistently, has insane accuracy, has insane damage, has insane win ratio, etc. It's not hard to figure out that he is cheating. Just grab the top 5% of players and assume that they are cheating and put them in a lobby of their own. Good luck, have fun! So the other 95% of the players can have fun. Cheating is not going to bother anyone if the cheater has to nerf it to look like a normal player to avoid the statistical ban.
I played the game for a total of 25h (90% warfare). I haven't encountered any obvious cheaters. A lot of people just encounter better players and call them cheaters. Many cheaters also try to hide their cheats with playing a bit worse which just turns them into "better players". (obviously not better, because they use cheats) So far the game has been a good experience. But if we consider "Skill based matchmaking", the game will most likely match you with more cheaters the better you get.
If you're that trash you use cheats, I can't imagine insight or awareness is high on your character traits. These people are simply sh*t at life and it shows.
I would honestly have preferred if the game wasn't free. It wouldn't stop cheating, but the more barriers you put the less incentives for people to cheat, after all if you get banned you would think it a bit more since you would have to pay another 20 bux or so. Having the game being free to play is literally having 0 barriers, since I doubt the devs do combined IP and hardware bans
Naive developers thinking they can make a F2P game where players actually enjoy instead of constantly die from cheaters. PBG is banning 100k cheaters every week, and they just come back to the game the next day. Another waste of time game.
Cheating is an antisovial mindset. In some countries like Russia or China it is more common. Sadly we don't have servers anymore so admins can region lock games.
The ultimate counter to DMA cheating is to remove PC from Crossplay, keep Xbox and Playstation players playing together but completely separate PC, PC players should only ever match make with other PC players.
I can honestly say it's been a long time since I played a game where you can feel the cheating happening so often. Every single game I will get killed a handful of time through objects and cover. One time I even saw an enemy apparently spawn in through a ceiling behind a squad that was backed into a dead end, I insta died and the cam appeared to show an enemy descend through the roof behind a group of like 10 guys, and he just mowed everyone down from behind, I was like WTF! I regulary get zoom aim killed when I'm prone behind cover with a machine gun of some kind by someone that is also prone on the other side of that cover and often behind other cover themselves.
Regarding the $£€ investment required for hardware cheating equipment, this mainly interests streamers who think they can make a living on Twitch (or very wealthy people). I doubt that The average person would spend that much money to cheat in a F2P game. Watching Delta Force Twitch channels would be a quicker way to verify some accounts :)
Anticheat developrs are going in a wrong direction. Ricochet anticheat does the best, they mostly implement ingame detections, not outside detections. Like the server can spawn in a real player based character in front of behind an object that only you can see, when you are more suspicious than others, or align a few people trough walls. If you shoot it, you are banned. It is really effective to trick the cheat developers than counter them.
It's insane, I play a match or 2 then have to bail before I punch my screen. Game unfortunately is going to completely die if it's not resolved. Good job hackers u cheat ur favorite game then it dies. Devs ain't the problem anymore, gamer are.
Cheating is something that has always been around and, as you mentioned, is unlikely to go away anytime soon. However, we are determined to minimize the impact as much as possible by pro-actively addressing new forms of cheating (such as DMA) and ensuring that offenders are removed from the game as quickly as possible. We hope players will continue to report any suspected cheaters they meet as we work together to maintain a fair and fun environment for Delta Force!
Can I get a refund for my gear in Operations please? Too many cheaters😢
i got an email back saying you guys couldnt read a name i submitted for cheating. it was a literal screenshot of the name and because its in chinese and using special letters, i cant type it and send to you, which is why i sent a screenshot. you need to add an option to copy in game names
i have been eliminated by several cheater, and also reported them but no mail has been sent to me regarding they have been banned
Hey @DeltaForceGame, Im about my limit, I enjoy the game a lot, I hate cheating. At the point where every other match I get killed by a suspected cheater. I honestly will give up soon. It's a shame Im sure its a complex subject, and I honestly don't understand how it all works or why cheaters exist. But I know there are games that have a better anticheat like Valorant or Overwatch for example. Good luck guys, Ill take a break from the game, I hope to have no cheaters in the future
Hey delta force is it possible to report someone in operations because it seems like a huge hassle
The cheaters doing so much work instead of just getting better ☠️
Similar to cheating in exams instead of studying.
you guys need to konw they cheat not because they want shit on everyone make themself feel good its because in a extraction fps they can make so many real world money by cheating
Because they cannot understand how to get better and it was hard wired to them to think that cheating the the easier way
@@kurumialice3308 how to make money with delta force operations?
@@kurumialice3308 real world money ? How does this work ?
Cheaters are coward.
Unfortunately cheat developers are leagues ahead of anticheat developers. Until cheats start to have an impact on revenue, we will never see it get better, only worse.
one of only few who understand
It's because they have people willing to buy these cheats that they have the money and effort to improve. DMA wasn't usually intended specifically for cheating. They were used in the server space for directly accessing the main systems memory. It's used for Windows and Linux servers combined. I doubt that microsoft can help with much of this. If it were that easy. Why can't Battleye and EAC that's currently in majority of the games we play work with Microsoft to combat these problems? DMA isn't really new. It wasn't introduced to us recently. It's been out for a while.
dma cheats were done in 2020 warzone alr
@@hankstorm3135 DMA cheats are old as fuck this didnt started with Warzone back in 2020, they gained recognition mostly with CSGO but they are pretty old. Anti Cheat developers just didnt cared enough because back then they were very niche meanwhile nowadays you can buy them with entire setup you just plug em in for like 50-70$ lol.
Back then you had to know what you're doing nowadays anyone can get ready prepared plug n play kits.
Imagine Game Devs have a imposter in CheatDev Organisation and they work together =)
The major problem of phishing out hackers in Delta Force is twofold: 1) The hit detection is AWFUL in this game, and no, it's not because of bullet velocity. 2) The head glitches are INSANE. People can literally hide behind walls and still kill you without peeking.
Yeah i agree.i have seen it because i like to use snipers i have died lots of like where you cant see the enemy but he can see you clearly
Those 2 thing have nothing to do with cheater …
Yeah head glitches really need to be addressed
Cheating became so sophisticated that it reached a point that is almost impossible to prevent it. I've been saying for years that kernel anti-cheat would never solve shit, because cheat devs would simply learn to adapt to it. That being said, game devs NEED to start tackling this problem from a completely different angle.
My honest suggestion? STOP banning cheaters. We already know that banning doesn't make a difference at all, because people can always create new accounts. Even paid games suffer from this, imagine a free to play game like DF. Not only that, every time a cheater is banned, you are LITERALLY giving cheat devs real time feedback that their software needs to be changed/updated. Believe me, it would make cheat development 10x harder if cheat devs don't have a clue if they are being detected or not. By not banning cheaters, game devs would be giving themselves a massive advantage on that "cat and mouse chase".
Now that we know banning cheaters does more harm than good, what do we do then? Simple, once a cheater has been identified, just queue them with other cheaters from now on, WITHOUT giving them a notice. In other words, just quietly separate them from legit players and let them taste their own medicine. That's it. Sure, once they notice that they might have been flagged as a cheater, there is nothing preventing him to create a new account, but because he was never banned in the first place, he might level up his cheater account to a point that it would feel bad for him to create a brand new one. To avoid a cheater noticing to early he got flagged, you can even use the same SBMM system to queue him with light, closet cheaters at first, and then with rage cheaters after, if he is also one himself.
And this here is why skill based match making need to exist, so hackers with 70 kills a match can go meet the rest of the hackers in the hackers lobby
Titanfall 1 did this and while there were still cheaters, it was less frequent because of this system
they always collect evidence and ban in waves to prevent real time feedback
@Holion5604 You're still gonna mix in cheaters with non cheaters if it's based on s
SBMM. While there are a lot of cheaters, there's not enough to continuously fill servers so you're going to really screw the top skill players.
We don't know banning cheaters does more harm than good, you claimed there is some harm, if your claims are true it doesn't follow from them that it does more harm then good by banning them, you haven't even thought about how much harm it would cause (by not banning anybody), you are just thinking about a perceived good.
It's especially hard to tell weather or not someone is cheating in Delta Force because they have wall hacks built into the game and ttk in operations is .2 seconds anyway.
no it isnt, its pretty damn clear when using common sense
There are going to add kill cam so maybe that helps a little
Oh yea, not to mention the actual developers, the creators of the actual game, come out and release ban numbers in the thousands and counter active methods to combat the KNOWN ISSUE, so yea youre beyond being able to reason with and you should be outright dejected from any conversations on how to deal with it
I alredy ban 2 cheaters in Operation.
One dude kill me without even knowing where I can be(I using Hackclaw...) with 2 headshot's with TIER 2 FMJ AMMO against purple Helmet using M4.
Another Dude kill 2 entire teams(we check dog tags) they report him, and I with squad wipe cheater team using Vyron special, after wipe we got comunicat that one of them get ban, dude boosting 2 normal ppl OFC we report them to for playing with cheater.
no it isnt, its clear as day
The game becomes so frustrating. It's night and day difference between a legit lobby and when hackers suddenly join.
Most crazy example was doing a flank through the middle tunnel on Shafted. Coming back to the C2 flag my team used a Recon Arrow attacking from the front. I could then see about 15 people all lit up looking towards the attackers. This was going to be an insane flank. I wasn't spotted and suddenly about 5-6 of them started to turn around and I could literally watch them track me through the walls as I approached from the side. All I could do was say "WTF" I wasn't even sprinting, so sound wouldn't have been a factor. Naturally two charged me jumped and pre-fired the corner and insta killed me.
If they implement a CS2 style overwatch system. It would get rid of most of these cheaters who can bypass the kernel level anti cheat. Because when they're being watched. They're going to be extra careful.
you know recon arrow emit sound and show trajectory on mini map right ? one dude could be sus but 5-6 coming your way is probably why
@@Azeos_s I wasn'tt spotted by a recon arrow. I was using Stinger(Medic), and the players that turned around which were wallhacked from my team from the very opposite end to my flank, were easy to make out. 2x Uluru's, Stinger, 2 x D-wolfs. Funny enough the Luna players that I could see didn't even turn, at all. You literally see them track me through the wall. Not a turn and look around like they heard something. Just turned and instantly looked straight at me. All of them, at the same time. LOL
@@rickd6914 yea meant your team if they wre next to you that arrow gave position away but yea there lot of sus players but the game itself don't help shake off that feeling with desync etc..
Laws are made in general to counter harm done to others - just make cheating illegal
Government could care less about useless "gamers". That cannot and will never happen mate. Just take the guy suing Minecraft for example, he just raised like half a million dollars to sue them and thats the bare minimum for the class action lawsuit xD can almost garuntee the second he walks into the court room, the judge is going to shoo him off and talk to him like a child saying "no one cares please leave the court house, DENIED (hammer swing) and Microsoft will get that much richer. Regardless of how nasty the EULA changes and gambling issues are, and regardless of the thousands of dollars stolen from childrens parents in hopes of getting that 0.0001% (actually secretly 0.00000000000001%) chance of getting that custom modeled sword with sharpness 7
Bro spent years designing a Minecraft server with guns and weapony all custom models.. and Microsoft randomly forced mojang to add new rules to the EULA (without editing the Eula) causing a riot. Saying guns are not allowed. Knowing nobody can do anything about it because its a fictional 2D world.
In the grand scheme of things, there are more important problems to solve in the world, I doubt we will reach a cheat ban soon.
That said, it doesn't stop authorities from shutting down cheater dev organizations from time to time, given the amount of money they get and how they affect legit business
That's easier said than done. Making it a law conflicts with mods. There are Multiplayer mods for games as well. Minecraft is an example.
With all the push for age and identity verification for social media, I expect something to follow suit for online gaming soon enough. If everything you do is tied to your government ID, that makes enforcing ToS and the sorts way easier. Once you are banned, you are banned, no new accounts, no new nothing. You're gone, forever.
They should implement a law and make it a federal offense. Punishable by law. Connect the offence to making damage to companies income by ruining the game. Should start at $50,000 and second offence: jail time.
i say the exact same thing for years now. this has nothing to do with "i cheat for fun" like it used to be. it's tryhard kids that can't do shit without their cheats and as long as noones gonna slap them in the face they won't stop. make ppl use their passports/ID's to create an account, put them on an list for everyone to see (like an registered SO list) and you'll see how fast the cheating problem becomes less of a problem.
how would that work when a lot of children also cheat?
@@randomsmile9064 Their parents are responsible for them, they're responsible for the fines
@@randomsmile9064 Police would show up...educate the masses. It would be a known offence like drug dealing after a while. Have to start somewhere .
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These losers that are cheating my question is why how can that be fun what's the point
Either to flex their stats or sell the account with good stats
@@TsunaXZ most are just losers who suck at games without cheats
@@redtuve3241 That too, it's the worst of all really.
Kernal lvl AC still needs to be aware of the cheat, it cant detect cheat vectors that it isnt aware of, its impossible to detect dma cards as you can change the hwid to any device, you can make windows see it as say a nic or a sound card, i will say this AC is way better than cod, its allways be a cat and mouse thing, its impossible to remove all cheating in games, do you know if delta force has an active AC team that plays??
Bruh Imagine being a person that buys an account for stats tho😂😂😂 thats just as sad as the hacker themselves😅 its amazing🤣🤣@@TsunaXZ
They have been doing this crap on battlefield for years. Esp + aimbot, wall toggle hacks. They have been getting away with it forever and its the same old websites that keep selling this stuff. Until game developers start suing and going after these websites, it will never stop.
If you want people to keep playing it despite the cheaters, add a PVE mode. Gray Zone did it and it works great. You can still experience the game without having to deal with them.
the field training is actually enjoyable too bad you cant advance any weapons in it.
challenging pve mode nowadays seems to be the only way to play online games :) Helldivers2 is a good example. We need something like they did with shoot and loot.
@@romsik2 yea but pve online game isn’t «online game » that defeats the whole PvP aspect…
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Putting Chinese people in charge of banning cheaters is like putting a fox in charge of the hen house 😂😂
Having Chinese tonight too 😅
Literally 99% of cod streamers. Just ask them if they run 2 PC setup and wallah, report them for cheating. Anyone running 2 PC system in games that have literally 0 anti cheat just report them immediately, and even send there accounts to the devs. The more complaints the more they get banned. Simple and easy. You're welcome for the answer to destroying the cheater pandemic
why dont all these game companies just join up in court and mass takedown all these cheating sites ?
Because most of these companies are getting insider information and a portion of the money is going to the rat.
Was a big scandal in COD
Pretty sad that people suck so bad at a game that they cheat and ruin it for everyone else
I came here because at several games, the same person(in each game) can just know where people are hiding. Shoot walls, started shoot before seeing a person, and during jump, can auto turn and instant kill.
if you are putting thousands into not only a gaming PC but a cheat setup, you are more pathetic than I ever thought possible. like my god.
Though I do also believe that devs should just stop banning cheaters and instead troll them. We all know they keep getting new accounts whenever they get banned so why keep banning when you can just have fun with em and troll? ricochet damage, automatically destroy vehicles, upon entry, constant ESP on self so everyone on map knows exactly where you are at all times, etc. have fun with em.
Literally just downloaded and tried this game and yes after just 1 match I can say there are many many many... questionable players currently in this game
It’s more likely that you’re just another one of these people who think everyone’s cheating. I downloaded the game 2 days ago and have been playing since and maybe ran into 1 suspicious death. Y’all here there are cheaters then assume anyone better must be one
Why does everyone think this is only in operations? It is happening in warfare too and not just a little bit. The fact is that a good warfare player can outplay an average person using cheats. Warfare is very position and map knowledge based and cheats don't help as much in that game mode. I play warfare to a reasonably high level and see cheaters all the time, but they don't always top the scoreboard, they're usually just average, but happen to have freakish aim / ability to know when you're coming around a corner. They usually die because they lack game sense and run into stupid situations that even hacks can't get them out of.
This is exactly also my perception
@@remedy84 its the exact same for extraction though. map knowledge... game sense... spawn locations/choke points/entrances/exits... ammo/gun/armor/repair set ups, they all play such a massive part. the amount of 3 man squads you can hear running from 150m away, absolutely clueless of your prescence, yet your whole squad are already set up for them, then brrrrrap brrrrappp brrrrapppp the squad with purple bullets sleeps the bambi squad with recruit/standard tickets in just a few moments. i felt really bad last night, my mate just joined us for the first time... so we're on easy mode zero dam just absolutely deletings the noobs.
I believe there should be a legal way to report and hold accountable the creators and users of cheats in online multiplayer games. These actions not only ruin the gaming experience but also cause moral and psychological harm, as well as waste the valuable time of honest players. A regulatory intervention could be a first step to protect the community.
Wrongful bans are inevitable in online games. Moreover, game companies hold the power of life and death over players. Therefore, it is currently not feasible to enact relevant laws.
I doesn't make sense for me just spend money on extra hardware just to play a f2p game
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These people don't think in reasonable terms. Their pastime (making others miserable in a video game) is a projection of how miserable they themselves are.
@@furytheredhead imagine being that miserable and unskilled that you actually have to buy that piece of equipment... imagine being the father of that child and the child asks... 'i need this little box for my console/pc' and then you find out what it does.... i would banish them from the family home forever, sleep outside in the shed for bringing such great shame and humiliation to the family! sorry kid im removing your pc coz your shit at gaming... here's a football go outside and try that instead noob child!
Sreamers win money.
You think they just cheat on DF 😂 and not every other game they play?
Granted, it would be annoying to kind of get up to a certain rank just to get into certain modes, but at this point if the cheating is that bad Then you know, the old sang 'Desperate times call for desperate measures'
The fact the starting price is up to £1,000 plus subscription puts it out of reach of most players. The Pro's on the other hand can make it pay.
But if the devs have found a way around DMA hacking or at least being able to detect is awesome. Though I think it's only detectable by watching someone play. See if they pre-aim, have an enormous amount of headshots, does the reticule seem to snap to a player?
Dma does not cost up to 1,000 you can buy a dma card as low as $50 thats mostly if you live in china where its sourced but outside of china I have seen it as low as $100 the fuser is also $100 kmbox is either $40-$50 and the fuser and kmbox is optional kmbox is for aimbot and tirggerbot thats if you want that you can buy it not needed tho. Fuser is for overlaying the cheats esp from the second pc to your monitor if you dont get it it will stay on your second pc and on a different monitor. Hence why some pros get called out for cheating "he keep looking to his side to a different monitor" let say you dont get the kmbox or fuser you only get the dma card for $100 you need something called firmware its where it hides your dma from anticheats people sell them and each fw supports either all anti cheat systems or few. The more AC support the more expensive. I know places that sell really good fw as low as $100 so $200 in total rn than you need a second pc you can buy a mini pc from $150-$200 and in that range you get really good specs so the cheat can run smoothly with no issues. I know this all because I own everything for dma cheating.
@@PonelyPonely ah you're an unskilled beta.... gotcha. thanks for clarifying.
Plus there a lot of free cfw and cheats plus everything is cheap not can get cfw for that game for like 40$ 💀
@Gandy_cfw free cfw and get banned fast. Spend $100-200 get a fully emulated fw that supports many ACs and you will be fine. I literally bought a $175 Emulated fw last night that supports Ricochet,Vac,Be,Eac-Eos/Ace,CN-Ace. Also supports Faceit if you got a 100t card.
@@gmathieson7184 your mad that you have to run into someone like me and ruin your day? Imagine a hard day and you come home to play 2 games and run into someone like me and you go off with a more shitty day? Keep on coping.
The crazy part is that my experience hasn’t even been bad. I ran into one cheater and I pushed into him so I couldn’t tell he was cheating until the game said I died to one and gave me all the gear I went into that raid with. I hope it gets better for everyone and I hope delta force doesn’t stop trying. They already are doing good with cheater compensation. They just need to actually stop the cheats
I left this dump, here are a few catastrophic and fundamental reasons.:
1. The rest of the hit registration
2. Very, very serious desync
3. A fake ping that writes 60, but in fact, the packet loss on the server is huge, so you can't kill anyone at point blank range - there is no registration. And they kill you in 0.1 seconds. Even if the enemy and the weapon need time to fire for 0.4 seconds, you still won't see it, you die instantly. You haven't seen the enemy yet, you're already dead.
4. Cheaters. There are a lot of them, even in battles, even in sieges. Today, a guy like that was lying on a spawn and killed half a card later.
5. Reporters don't work in battles, in my opinion.
6. SBMM and a game with bots that kill you with a pistol without missing while jumping with their backs. Or at 60 meters with an ultrasound without a miss, they hit 3 in the head. At the same time, there are people playing in your team who can't do anything. And so on for 20 matches in a row.
During the month of playing, I got on good servers twice, guys, these were my best games of the month. Just two, that's it. Everything else is negative, cheaters, no registration, bots in the team, out of sync.
Sorry, I wrote through Google Translate. It hurts 😁
I had the same impressions after playing all the Alpha tests. The game was a mess then and nothing has changed now. They're a scummy Chinese company who are trying to make a quick buck. Installing their kernel level anti-cheat is absolutely absurd, as even they know that it doesn't work.
It's hilarious seeing content creators shill the game, knowing full well that they've been paid off. Hell, they even offer gift card incentives in the official Discord. Absolutely abysmal practices.
U don't need to use google translate on YT, spell ur lang directly, there is inbuild translator in YT so everyone can press a button and see translation :)
Also I`m on opticfiber ethernet and I don't have any issues like u mentioned EXCEPT "netcode" and "hit registration" exactly, but with nvidia low latency it's not that bad...
sorry to hear that you cant play the game... unfortunately for you, as a washed up 35 year old stoner, i can tell you that most of my lobbys are totally fine and its a rarity that i encounter a cheater, and i play with 2 other washed up stoners so not only do we have poor reactions times, we are under the influence to make ourselves even worse... and yet we are still able to play this game loot, kill, scav/mission run extract. the hackers exist. but nowhere near as bad as you lot say. plus im EU which comes in a close 2nd to china for the number of hackers. you need a good pc, good aim, good eyes, good brain/game sense. we played for 7.5hrs yesterday, lucky if i encountered 1 sus enemy and i didn't even report him because i thought he probably narrowly had line of site on me (you people will cry that its a head glitch, but he had very slight height advantage so i couldnt see his head but he could see mine). Space city however is just hack city. you should avoid there and play anywhere else. and play like your delta force... dont play like delta FARCE
@@gmathieson7184Unfortunately, I'm not the only one with these problems, and I'm not the only person with similar problems. I'm fine with my skills, I've been playing shooters for over 15 years, so don't worry, I'm fine with tactics and shooting. With a computer, too, be sure. Yes, there are such problems with the servers, I can't change it and influence the situation, it happens. So I just deleted the game, everything is fine.
@gmathieson7184 This is the most insanely r3tard3d comment that I've Read in quite a while. Thanks for the chuckle.
Saw a guy streaming the other day and the aiming looks like he's just snapping onto enemies. It's so many suspicious kills on this game. Game needs a kill cam
They should make a system where you have to deposit like $20 to play operations and you can get it back at a later date if you want but you cant queue unless ypu have the deposit and if they are caught cheating they lose the money. Something like that.
did you mean $200 ?
most of the cheaters in the game are not using this metho though. 99% of cheaters are just buying a daily or weekly code and the anti cheat cant even stop that. This DMA stuff is just an excuse
They should stop banning cheaters and just move to dedicated cheater servers where they can enjoy their cheats together. Banning just lets them know they have been detected. Detect and segregate. It's happening now to a degree where legit players are segregating themselves by leaving and not playing.
This failed in Warzone with the shadow banning system
@@Macintosh007 I think in case of Warzone it failed easily because you can notice it easily that "Hey I think I got shadowbanned". This type of banning could be helpful (not that It will absolutely fixing the cheating issue) for people to encounter less cheater. The amount of time that cheater didn't know he got shadowban is the time that normal player won't face that cheater.
The reality is every PvP game has a population of cheaters. What keeps me playing a PvP game is determined by a developers' efforts in trying to combat the cheats, and if the fun factor outweighs the frustrations of encountering cheaters.
I don't understand why, in the netcode, your PC have in memory the position of hiden ennemies. The position should only be sent to client by server when the ennemy is in sight of the player. That would solve 100% of wallhack, letting only aimbot working.
Your client needs to know that information so it knows where to play foot step audio and other things like that. You could argue the client doesnt need every bit of info on other players which is true to a point but unfortunately the hardware limits and the network infrastructure we have all over the world make it difficult to code the game in a way that makes cheating impossible in FPS games where the game needs to process commands and info very quickly.
It sucks but our tech (personal computers and our home networks) just werent made with FPS cheats in mind. If safe guards could be built in like with a console, it makes things better but most people wont risk the sacrifice of losing privacy on their home pc for kernel level anti cheat. The only real way at the moment to deter cheaters is to make cheating such a hassle that they realize its not worth their time which is why we get things like level requirements in order to play ranked or steams trust factor for CS.
In Rust they are currently trying to implement this
Even if it's server side, there will always be a way to know where the players are, client side. Using Audio, using the pixels on the screen, etc ...
Cheating company make ton of money selling cheat, you can't really fight against it. Not the same budget.
Your client has all the files need for the game to run, but it doesnt know where enemies are or their health or armour. In order to see what youre hitting the server needs to tell your client "their on this cord this is their health blablabla". Its like youre trying to make coffee you have everything you need in your cup(client) but you dont have water(info) which you need from the kettle(sever). With the cup but you cant get water from the kettle that means no coffee.
First of all, no kill cam is so bad and out of date. It helps the cheaters a lot , not having this very basic feature.
I think, they could train A.i. to watch every single player and decide if the kill is possible/realistic non cheating or not.
There is so much player material, that training material for what is allowed should be no problem.
How much would this take on the hardware/server side is another question.
i guess they will include killcam really soon
This is one of those games where cheating defeats the whole purpose of the game. The part of not knowing where the enemy operators are, and anxiety and rush of trying to survive with your loot, is what makes the game fun. If you know where everyone is, and have an aim bot, you’re are just lying to yourself. Low self esteem, if your a troll cheater it’s one thing but to cheat and act legit is the must coward thing someone can do in the gaming community
Ghost wouldn’t kill cam catch those and report with attachment vid?
Simple way to get rid of cheaters.
Insert "cheating in this game is punishable by castration" into the game's TOS.
Ai is the only way to stop this, Ai that learns and understands how you as a player react. Builds a profile.
You mean just like Ricochet in COD that clearly doesn't work at all!
@@razormodz1173 just because a certain system failed does not mean other systems will not. Plenty things have failed, all it takes is one that will succeed. AI is the only thing that will stop cheaters.
Cheating is theft. Theft of time, money, enjoyment, mostly time and enjoyment which is in short supply for most people, and should be punishable by law. Websites selling them should be stopped, and sellers receive hefty fines and 50 lashes ( yes i mean it). Broadcast live on YT and twitch. Users receive perma bans. Your cheating 100s if not 1000s of people from their hobby, their enjoyment but cheating yourself most of all.
another solution: don't make the game free; everyone will have to put in credit card information (should lower the number of hackers a lot imo)
Tarkov ain’t ftp
DELTA will die if its not free to play
cod and tarkov are full of cheaters, so is not a solution.
I remember buying month keys and a bunch of burner accounts on MW2 2022. The accounts aren't very expensive, even within a month of cheating.
@@strvy you remember that? like a year and half ago?? like it was soooo long ago when you were a cheater lol
What really needs to happen is true SBMM in all aspects of the game as well as in ops there needs to be gear limits such as Easy mode is blue gear and blue ammo as top tier, purple can drop from loot but not be worn, normal mode opens it up to gold tier for gear and ammo and then a hard mode which further opens it up to red gear. This would be fair for ALL players in this mode as it would stop the high geared folks from coming in and wiping lobbies so easily when they know they barely have any risk to themselves. Also make it so that high rank players have a significant loss to rank when playing easy and then being killed. There is no legitimate argument against what I've proposed other than from those who are cheaters, all of us who aren't cheaters want something like this to be implemented.
I havent really felt the cheating if I am honest, idk if I am just ignorant of it. I get within top 5 basically every game, sure I do wonder how people get around 100 kills a game but there is tons of UA-camrs out there making vids of them doing it, so my brain doesnt go cheating from it.
99% youtubers/twitchers are cheaters so....
yes youre ignorant, this video literally demonstrates not only video proof, but also the known ways the cheat engines operate. If after literal video proof, and and common consensus among the community you go to yourself "well dur, i dunnoooo about it i havent seen it with my own eyes durrr" than yea youre an ignorant pompous fool
This setup to cheats is not for the common players.
As the diagram show.
Some of the streamers are doing this then it follows down to the viewers and casuals players.
From what I've heard DMA is also not that common since it's very expensive to get (the shown setup costing somewhere in the ball park of a thousand dollars). However kernel level cheats tend to hide pretty well unless thwarted by Secure Boot, which cheaters can easily just disable.
The only way to kill cheating completely is to drop anonimity and associate each and every account with a goverment issued ID to identify the real person. Which is a problem on many fronts, ranging from the fact that nobody wants to store such information (with good reason, you'd become a prime target for hackers) to being able to verify wether that ID is indeed real or just made up to some large markets like the US greatly lagging behind on the goverment ID tech front. That's not even touching on the idea of dropping any idea of anonimity (not to be confused with privacy, which doesn't really change much)
it's often the reason why they add a "Portal Mode" allowing hosted games to be monitor by admin's allowing to kick any cheater out like BF3-4 had to host servers, I even wanted them to add a private portal mode where the player can play with AI's instead where they can level up and unlock items similar to BF2042 since you can host your own portal and do challenges being FREE of hackers.
Anti-cheats can be thought of as locks. Locks do not stop thieves. A good thief will be able to break into advanced locks. What the advancement of anti-cheats do is progressively making entry for cheaters higher and higher until it comes to a point where the financial investments to circumvent anti-cheats systems is not worth it for most cheaters and or cheat developers.
It Needs to do like CS. 4 buttons: play in the game in people who have played 25, 50, 100, 250hours. It doesn't solve this problem, but it decreases the quantity of cheaters.
I have 0 interest in anything except warfare. If the game requires you to do the stupid extraction crap, I wouldn't play the game. That's the downside of that approach.
Every multiplayer game that’s online has cheaters or hackers or modders. Can’t stop it all. But if you can make it too expensive for the creators to make cheats, therefore people can’t afford the cheats, you drastically cut down the amount of cheaters.
best way to combat this is to stop playing the game
I report when I get shot in the game. We can't know who is cheating. If he doesn't use cheats anyway, he won't be banned. But if he is guilty, he will be banned and removed from the game. Only in this way can we clean up cheaters.
I saw your whole chain about this topic (Exposing The Hidden World of HACKERS In Battlefield 2042 and Interview With a Battlefield 2042 Cheat Developer (Full Uncut)) and I must say it is very informative and despite how much I hatet any form of unfair advantage the guy you was talking to was seems like a normal man with different opinion and respect that. Despite all what he said I hope that AI can detect cheating paterns (ESP - player tracking through textures, AIM bot - some statistically impossible reactions and so on) without impacting performance. The only thing that I would like to know is how old he is because in couple of days I will be 40 and Iam playing with much older guys and still I have no urge to cheat despite Iam bad. Great series
Becoming a problem in most games these days. Won’t stop until people start being held legally responsible
It will always happen to indie multiplayer fpss. If anticheats aren't the most important thing, I'll not play any indie fps game.
When a new popping off game drops, the cheaters will move to that. Currently, it’s Arma RF
The fact that coders write tools for games to gain unfair advantages instead of counter tools or even making their own games is beyond me. Those guys could be making way more money doing those things but instead of applying themselves they decide to make everyone else’s lives miserable. Sure it’s “just a game”, but if they were also “gamers” they know its meant to be a “stress free escape”, a way to get away from reality, not have to deal with the reminder of it. So these guys cause more issues for others over entertainment.
Cheating in this game is massive because of you can make money out of it. I've seen so many cheaters selling carries so the buyers can get all the loot, 5 million to 10 million per run and they are making 30-50 dollars per hour, that's why cheating in operation mode is so massive.
i’m just flat losing interest in FPS games. every one of them has either people playing the dirtiest way they can, abusing exploits, or cheating. or ruined by manipulative EOMM/SBMM.
gaming is supposed to be fun, and FPS games are less and less fun anymore. it’s always something. this is yet another game that these losers just HAVE to ruin.
Sadly, I think the best way to deal with cheating isn't detecting and banning them, but going after the company creating/selling those cheat in the first place. The problem is that it required a lot of ressources that aren't always available for smaller company. The other problem is that those waste of air (cheaters) are feeding those compagnies so much money that they have a lot of incencitives to just start again if they are ever catch. This type of game has always been plague with cheater sadly and hoping for them to stop buying them is just a waste of time and evergy. Any way, I'll still be playing this game because Delta Force has been doing an incredible job and hope they keep going.
our sole option to play videogames back then was to play them on dedicated machines (consoles). At some point in time someone brought videogames to PCs and since then PCs started supporting games along with their main purpose. Cheating cannot be dealt with as long as we play videogames on a device whose main purpose is not playing videogames, the vulnerabilities we have on windows are not there by mistake, are there because they would not be considered "vulnerabilities" if it wasn't for gaming, DMA is there because they are used in servers and now it's considered a bad deal because we are trying to play videogames on devices that have adapted themselves to host videogames.
I'll stand on my hill, the cheating issue can be greatly reduced in 1 way only:
- have gaming upscaled and recognised enough to trigger some governmental figures, have an entity in charge of the login systems and everyone who wants to login to play videogames has to make an account in this platform, have the account registration require the actual person's ID, and if someone is caught cheating and gets banned he's out from the whole videogame industry. Along with sanctions.
PC had videogames long before console if you're implying that it was console only at one time. Need a bit of research done on that, most consoles are PC hardware with a propriatary operating system with the hardware being low power PC components nowadays. It's always been like this. As far as cheaters in online multiplayer goes, they need to start going to prison and being fined heavily. Let that happen a bunch of times and people will take pause before doing it.
Vehicles should be nerfed first. It's unplayable, we are like NPCs to vehicle operators.
Crazy how much these cheaters are so hell bent in cheating, they'd spend a lot of money for all these gadgets just to get a high number on a pixel in a screen. Are they that much of a loser, that they consider "winning" in these video games a kind of life achievement? Pathetic.
That was the only benefit to SBMM in COD. You very rarely saw a cheater because high K/D was paired with high K/D. It was essentially cheaters vs cheaters towards the end. It's really no different to people using VPN's to get into bot/easy lobbies.
Even if the game is free, a DMA card is fairly pricy (in comparison). Since there are sellers there must be a market but it is kind of mind boggling that someone would spend 100+ dollars to cheat in a game.
I truly don't get why people care so much about kernel level anti cheats. I mean, has there ever actually been a mass breach because of an anti cheat software? I just don't worry about that kind of crap. If it happens, it happens. These people that miss out on great games because of odd sticking points like that, more power to you. But, there's no changing it at this point. Sadly. Cheaters should be blanket banned from even buying games. I'm not sure why they can't stomp this stuff out. There just HAS to be something unique to these cheaters that can easily be identified as being not present on a normal players computer OR abilities within game. I mean, a basic AI analyzes what's going on in each match should be able to be taught to identify "huh, that guy just killed a player .001 seconds after he revealed himself behind a wall..." "this character is continually looking at characters not visible." ETC.
Legit players vs cheaters.. these guys got aimbot and running full speed , not peaking corners like the legit players .. and ends up just beaming you in the head while jumping around on your screen 😅 I don’t play normal mode anymore bc it’s a waste of 100k just to die to cheaters
i completely understand someone wanting to beat the system and inventing a way to do it but just buying something someone else made in order to cheat in a game has never made any sense to me
Part of making Anti-Cheats requires reverse engineering knowledge, and obviously if you make smth, have fun making it and suddenly it’s no longer working, it makes you feel challenged and as such you start making more and more advanced ways to get around the fix…. And unfortunately, being a Reverse engineer by default makes a Dev far more competent than any game or anti-cheat dev can ever be, just because reverse engineering needs one to look at the smallest level of anything, something normal game devs just can’t do. I myself, along with some other friends have re’d many games, and I cannot tell you just how much fun it is to code cheats for those games (obv I only make for “single”-ish player games). So I can’t imagine just how the Cheat devs feel… I hope this clears up why cheaters and by extension cheat devs (many devs don’t even actually play the game they make a cheat for) always continue doing it.
What games you made cheats for so far?
@@PonelyPonely Obviously I cant say that
@@ianimewhatif862 what? You said you did single player games. You wont get introuble even if its multiplayer games. They come after you if you are selling it. Only thing they do if your using it for personal use is banning you.
@@PonelyPonely The Games I made these cheats for are known for going after anyone cheating,and even if, you can look at most games yk of that are single player, I’ve previously done games like Elden Ring (especially with the new update, Shadow of the Erdtree). And obviously which Games I created cheats for aren’t important, it’s important to know that Devs, especially those who know what they are doing take any fixes the games do as a challenge and as such continue until the cheat works again, it doesn’t even have to be cheats.
A big way these cheats work (and not just on Delta Force) especially the way the rent-a-cheat style (cheaters often use this style when they have no fancy hardware for cheats) whether it be a monthly or weekly subscription is through a VPN stule subcription service. so there's no malicious looking hardware or programs on their PC. They are playing through the internet and the cheat host's PC or server is running the cheats and sending the info to an overlay the cheaters screen. There's many vids on youtube on how this works.
Making it so you can't use VPNs while playing the game will help quite a bit I bet.
Can you give me the title of such a video? (I assume links will be blocked in this comment section.)
@MrSunglxzz I cannot remember, it was about 2 years ago. It was something like "why cheating is so hard to combat on online FPS games" or something. Then there are a few "Interview with a Tarkov Cheater" vids where the cheaters explain how the cheat service is basically a VPN making their hardware and software look clean to the games they play. They also explained they use the same cheat service to cheat on multiple games. They explained how the cheat was an overlay streamed over their gameplay etc. A lot of the cheats are not game specific. Especially aimbot. ESP has to go deeper in the games code. Now with AI programming programs they can crack the game code in a day to use ESP on a brand new game.
Anyway I've watched probably 30 hours of vids on cheats and how they are almost undetectable in the last 2 years to try to figure out how to combat cheating on FPS games short of having invisible admins watching the game like in quite a few big DayZ servers.
Either implement a level system that you have to reach before you play with real people, OR make the game cost $10-$20 make an announcement that it'll cost money by a certain date but those who have it in there library don't have to worry. The Microsoft thing sounds promising.
Tbh the point of anticheat is not to stop cheating completely, thats impossible, but rather to make cheating hard, take effort, money, whatever else, that limits the number of people cheating because it filters out all the poor people and all the lazy people.
Operations is not the only place cheating is taking place. Warfare is now ramped and is getting to a point where some players have quit the game! This company, who built this game, needs to take a stand on what they built!
I think about 60% people cheat in the normal difficulty lobbies. It's just impossible to beat this 35-years John with a GOD of war rank or whatever it's called in english. He just came from his 16 hour shift and he shits on everyone he meets in admin of zero dam. Yea yea i believe this guy.
First and foremost, every game should implement an improved killcam (and save replays to provide evidence of suspicious behavior). Subsequently, when players submit feedback about a potential cheater, an operator should review the replay and determine if cheating has occurred. By implementing this system, many cheaters can be swiftly banned without relying solely on automated systems.
Playing online shooters has become such a drag for me. It's not much fun with all the cheating. I used to obsessed about gettingy aim flicky and accurate not anymore. I just play single player now.
I'd pay 60 bucks for this game to ensure that I will pay Operations with only other paid people. The odds of cheating then would be lower.
Good luck fighting against cheating in 2025. EFT fighted against cheaters for years and never managed to achieve anything against it.
EFT never done anything similar to prevent cheating :) garbage company with garbage anti-cheat :) so please don't compare them with DF and effort this company tries to do :) just a side note, EFT is 8 years in beta =-] gl for them
@@McCepakas DF is a chinese company running an F2P game ...
4:04 the fact that DMA is the Operating System-agnostic method of cheating for these games but DF also has bots in servers suggests that the reason for the Linux ban isn't for anti cheat, it's because they want to be the only ones botting. No players are allowed to be botting, only the Devs 😂
its the cheating and the negative points when you win a warfare match. it will never make sense
Ive been saying for ages that this game feels hacked and have been told to STF up so nice to see it officially recognised - cheers Ghost well done matey. I think we need more SINGLE PLAYER games to come out now. Have you tried 6 Days in Fallujah yet BTW - give it a go its on Steam - do a video please.
Cheaters don’t bother me, rats bother me more . I just play and deal with them, ain’t gonna ruin the game for me
if they make an arbitrary barrier for entering operations, cheaters are gonna make bot farms: lots of computers running the game on afk to level up accounts, and people will complain on the influx of bots
Shit like that already exists on everygame nothing new.
@@PonelyPonely yeah i know
1st problem is the developer is a liar.
I find it difficult to believe anything they said when the 1st problem occurred.
We all go through alpha, we experienced firsthand how bots disguised as players and we all assume it is a cheater. After release, with MMR and bots still running around, how do we know they are a real player with a cheat or just bots like in alpha? That is how mesh and unclear this game is.
After we confirmed the developer was hiding tons of information about the game. I just couldn't take whatever they said seriously.
Trying to detect cheaters this way is dumb. You don't need that when you can just detect them statistically. If you have a guy that has an insane KDA ratio consistently, has insane accuracy, has insane damage, has insane win ratio, etc. It's not hard to figure out that he is cheating. Just grab the top 5% of players and assume that they are cheating and put them in a lobby of their own. Good luck, have fun! So the other 95% of the players can have fun. Cheating is not going to bother anyone if the cheater has to nerf it to look like a normal player to avoid the statistical ban.
said like a closet cheater....
I played the game for a total of 25h (90% warfare). I haven't encountered any obvious cheaters. A lot of people just encounter better players and call them cheaters. Many cheaters also try to hide their cheats with playing a bit worse which just turns them into "better players". (obviously not better, because they use cheats) So far the game has been a good experience. But if we consider "Skill based matchmaking", the game will most likely match you with more cheaters the better you get.
Cheaters fell to realize that they’re lining someone else’s pocket just to still suck at the game. Buying hacks is the true definition of pay to win.
If you're that trash you use cheats, I can't imagine insight or awareness is high on your character traits. These people are simply sh*t at life and it shows.
I would honestly have preferred if the game wasn't free. It wouldn't stop cheating, but the more barriers you put the less incentives for people to cheat, after all if you get banned you would think it a bit more since you would have to pay another 20 bux or so. Having the game being free to play is literally having 0 barriers, since I doubt the devs do combined IP and hardware bans
Naive developers thinking they can make a F2P game where players actually enjoy instead of constantly die from cheaters. PBG is banning 100k cheaters every week, and they just come back to the game the next day. Another waste of time game.
As far as I understand DMA, cheats like shooting through walls should not be possible.
As long as games are free to play, cheaters will be there. I would rather pay $60, along WITH a monthly subscription, for a game with no cheaters.
Imagine going through all the trouble of setting up DMA just because they are bad at games. The state of pc gaming is absolutely sad and pathetic.
Cheating is an antisovial mindset. In some countries like Russia or China it is more common. Sadly we don't have servers anymore so admins can region lock games.
The ultimate counter to DMA cheating is to remove PC from Crossplay, keep Xbox and Playstation players playing together but completely separate PC, PC players should only ever match make with other PC players.
I've been shot through a building, I thought I was going crazy. I mean it was a larger sized building, and we were on opposite sides.
I can honestly say it's been a long time since I played a game where you can feel the cheating happening so often. Every single game I will get killed a handful of time through objects and cover. One time I even saw an enemy apparently spawn in through a ceiling behind a squad that was backed into a dead end, I insta died and the cam appeared to show an enemy descend through the roof behind a group of like 10 guys, and he just mowed everyone down from behind, I was like WTF! I regulary get zoom aim killed when I'm prone behind cover with a machine gun of some kind by someone that is also prone on the other side of that cover and often behind other cover themselves.
Regarding the $£€ investment required for hardware cheating equipment, this mainly interests streamers who think they can make a living on Twitch (or very wealthy people). I doubt that The average person would spend that much money to cheat in a F2P game. Watching Delta Force Twitch channels would be a quicker way to verify some accounts :)
Anticheat developrs are going in a wrong direction.
Ricochet anticheat does the best, they mostly implement ingame detections, not outside detections.
Like the server can spawn in a real player based character in front of behind an object that only you can see, when you are more suspicious than others, or align a few people trough walls. If you shoot it, you are banned.
It is really effective to trick the cheat developers than counter them.
It's insane, I play a match or 2 then have to bail before I punch my screen. Game unfortunately is going to completely die if it's not resolved. Good job hackers u cheat ur favorite game then it dies. Devs ain't the problem anymore, gamer are.
Best way to get rid of cheating is to go after cheat developers themselves.
at clip around 1:20, does his gun have 999+ ammo? I'd like to know which mag that is