I like that. It makes a lot of sense. The same goes for the wrap that went over his face, which is located somewhere else in Europe. When combined, the two mesh perfectly.
In my language we say:"We need to believe the unvisible things". So I don't believe but I know, because I saw, and there is no other explanation for that shroud. This is 100% prooved to me...
There is one more :) The Volto Santo di Manoppello. The same image, blood group, and age. What I find fascinating about the Volto Santo, is that Christ has eyes opened in it. There are holes burned in the fabric where the pupils should be. 🔥❤
Refutation: - Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art. - 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. - The pollen traces on shroud was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries. Questions on that?
Anatomical inaccuracies: - The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5. - The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art. - Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern. - The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms. - The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left. - The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately. - Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person. Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy. This suggests that it wasn't a linen with a real human body underneath.
@@Pablo-gl9dj then you probably dont understand much. It is physical evidence. I guess you dont understand why physical evidence is needed for a prosecution either (unless Trump is the defendant of course).
Back in 1988, when that test said it was from the 14th century, my teacher said then it was a bad test because they took the sample from a spot that had been burned.
The shroud of Turin is now the most scientifically studied archaeological artifact, and religious relic, in existence; literally nothing else comes close. And after being subjected to every single test science can throw at it, this object has left even many of the most skeptical inquirers baffled. The image is a matter of faith; however, this image gets genuine seekers closer to faith by way of reason than anything else can or will. Approach the Shroud honestly, with openness, and sincerity of heart, and you will stand face to face with Christ; then you’ll only need to reach out a single finger to find your loving creator welcoming you home.
I feel like there are arguments that logically can have the same efficacy if people are willing to think critically and open their minds and hearts. I do believe this is yet another great avenue for people to find their faith, however it is important not to put too much emphasis on any one thing, because if people lose faith in that singular thing then they may lose all their faith at once. I’d say it’s important to not just focus on this one thing, but bringing it up is important nonetheless.
I mean, all tests have conclusively proven that the shroud is from the 12th-13th century. It was even denounced by the church as fake even going so far as to report they knew who the actual man behind it was. But hey, let's not get in the way of a lucrative story. Btw faith and reason are two things that don't belong in the same sentence together especially with regards to blind fanatical religion, religion forgoes reason in favour for blind faith, it is reason you must give up along with logical snd critical thinking.
The shroud has also been proven to have severe DNA contamination, it also proves that Jesus if it is Jesus was obviously mummified, so he couldn’t have resurrected in the timeframe that the Bible claims.
I, too, am reminded of the miracles of the Tilma by the new studies into the Shroud. Because of the detailed images in the eyes alone, I cannot pick my jaw up off the floor. The Tilma makes my heart sing and dance!
Amen, but this SHROUD may bring other souls to belief in our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus values lost souls so highly they even if this SHROUD saves ONE MORE SOUL, it's worth it!
God is amazing in so many ways that we cannot begin to comprehend. But the fact that He has given us this gift, not for the early days of the Church but for OUR TIME, when apostasy is devouring faith across the world and all denominations, but when science can unlock the hidden story contained in this piece of linen and give us almost an eye-witness account of the Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, is just astonishing. Not everybody will believe it. Mankind has a tendency to avoid the difficult choices, make excuses to avoid the truth, latch onto any apparent facts which might let people off the hook which is Belief and the associated requirement then to commit to this God, this Christ, this Salvation and the promise of Eternal Life with him. I love the way God works with us to draw back the curtain more and more to reinforce our Faith and reveal treasures about Himself. Apparitions, Eucharistic Miracles, and the very miracle of the Eucharist itself at every Mass that is celebrated, what a rich treasure we are given, and how much I wish and pray that the whole world would embrace it.
I have never doubted that it’s the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. Visiting the Shroud Museum within the Regina Apostolorum in 2011, while in Rome for an International Theology of the Body Congress, was the next best thing to seeing the actual Shroud in Turin. I’ve heard the Resurrection “radiation” theory before and it makes a lot of sense.
When Jesus went to the cross he knew who he was. He was God and he knew he had the power to rise from the dead. The shroud is a sign for us believers that he is risen from the dead, and he was a sacrifice for our sins. No more sacrifices are needed. AMEN PRAISE GOD!
The first time I saw the pics, including the photo opposite that shows what Jesus looks like I couldn’t breath for a minute. I could feel with every cell in my body that is the face of our beloved savior.
I love it because it just simply reinforces our belief about the death & resurrection of Jesus, the God who loved us so much he incarnated into a man to be amongst us, knowing he’d be murdered for giving us the truth, the gospel, which nobody, especially those embroiled in their own sin, was prepared for.
@@bloodmoonwillows2438the Bible says to trust in the traditions “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the TRADITIONS that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
@@emiliomilian4284 But it is not just any tradition put forth by religious sects but “…either by our spoken word or letter” (2 Thessalonians 2:15) The traditions you refer to were they either by the apostles spoken words or letters? If they aren’t, then you need to be careful with them.
I’ve been hearing about the shroud, studying, going to lectures, blah, blah blah for many many years I never doubted. Never ever ever. Of course this is the covering of Jesus who’s else would it be my goodness what kind of crazy people out there who doubt
Cloth is under the control of the catholic church government in italy They have always used it to promote their religion over all others but dont tell that to a believing catholic or that statues dont bleed blood or that visions of virgin mary dont appear daily 😅😅
@@vls3771 Um, the Pope owns the Shroud. Not the Catholic church itself and many millions of us non-Catholics know that the Shroud of Turin is the Real Deal as well. Being a Catholic has zero to do with anything.
So I live in Colorado springs and I hope you come here soon... I'm not aware of the shroud center you spoke about, but saint Gabriel church in co spgs has a giant area dedicated to the shroud including a life size replica.
What is amazing is that God used physics to resurrect himself. There was an actual physical quantum event to reinvigorate each and every cell of Christ's body at that moment. God could have simply "snapped his fingers" to resurrect his Son, but He chose instead a way that we humans would have some semblance of understanding of how the resurrection was done. That boggles my mind.
Hello TOBI, I am curious if you may please make a video covering the sensitive topic of devout practicing Catholics suffering hierophilia. A personal rational explanation seems to be that natural impulses (young teenagers and single adults in their 20s) that are not being fulfilled in one area of life try to come out in another. I've found that photographs of the more modern saints tend to help with this (Fatima Kids, Pope John Paul 2, Mother Teresa, etc.) because they're not easily disconnected from reality like artistic portrayals and hence more easily humanise the faith.
Any undertaker will tell you that that is the best job ever. And to consider it was 2000 years ago makes it even more remarkable, especially the hair !
Almighty God is showing the world that the Bible is 💯 true! From discovering Noah's ark, to discovering Sodom and Gomorrah. It's all true! Glory to God
Amen. I was all for the tests on the cloth that were done a while back which put a dent in the belief that it was the cloth that Jesus was buried in. I had an understanding of the science behind it. Delighted to see the results of these latest tests which prove that it is most likely the cloth that Jesus was buried in and rose from almost 2000 years ago.
His body lifted THRU the shroud? If so wouldn't the fibers have the image all the way through instead of just on the surface where His body was touching?
Biggest thing that makes me disagree with that is the images on both the front and the back of Jesus. If he was laying on his back then that back part would not have gone through his body
Refutation: - Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art. - 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. - The pollen traces on shroud was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries. Questions on that?
@@tobias4411 What a bunch of crap. Here's what the actual scientists that _hand on_ examined the Shroud said: STURP issued its Final Report in 1981: *We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is **_not_** the product of an artist.* "The answer to the question of how the image was produced or what produced the image remains, now, as it has in the past, a mystery." _No one has ever proven these 33 scientists and engineers wrong._ All were part of leading tech firms. Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Lockheed Corporation* U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* Brooks Institute of Photography* University of Colorado* Oceanographic Services Inc.* Nuclear Technology Corporation* U.S. Air Force Academy* Jet Propulsion Laboratory* Sandia National Laboratory*, etc. The STRUP team included three Jewish members, one Mormon, one Evangelical, several Catholics, several Protestants and some avowed atheists and agnostics. Had religion ever been a criterion for membership, most of the STURP team members would never have agreed to participate. The notion that it is a forgery (a painting, other work of art) has been disproved so thoroughly and absolutely that it is permanently buried; they are based in part on the denial of empirical data. The scholarly consensus a mere 60 years ago deemed the Shroud a medieval fraud; the present evidence allows a firm archaeological judgement for authenticity.
The Shroud of Turin image shows the arms of the depicted figure as being of different lengths. This anatomical inconsistency has been noted by researchers. Did Jesus have different long arms? 😂
And it matches the Original Divine Mercy image! The one in Vilnius Lithuania, painted by Eugeniusz Kazimirowski. And it is THE image that St Faustina saw and asked him to paint! Daniel diSilva talks more on this, one can check that out. Jesus, I trust in You! Amen!!!❤️🔥
- Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art. - 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. - The pollen traces on shroud was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
@@scottmitchell2757Anatomical inaccuracies: - The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5. - The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art. - Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern. - The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms. - The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left. - The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately. - Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person. Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy.
It was the only piece that was repaired on the corner they ussd... The rest keeps checking out more and more. This is old news but thank you for posting 3 paragraphs from Wikipedia about herring bone.. It was a very passionate display of confirmation bias..
Sorry for ruining it, but do you realise that projection of a human body onto a wrapped around it surface would not look like what we see on the shroud? We see just an image projected onto 2d surface which is consistent with it being a man made artistic artifact. Also if it fell through the body, why fibers were affected only superficcialy and only on one side? And why body back side has imprinted similarly?
It's not an artifact though. Have you actually studied the image? Apparently not. It's a radiation burn of the superficial fibers; a photographic negative; no paint or pigments; topographic representation of bodyboards based on image intensity of body parts in proximity to the cloth. It's not something that any artist or scientist can reproduce.
Artistic with paint? Studies have proven there's no liquid solution and that the Shroud is a radioactive imprint. Other studies have shown that the backside has been affected to a lesser degree by the same process
It's precisely the way it was imprinted that makes it authentic. It's as if it was absorbed as Jesus traspassed it, leaving the marks of the radiation for this action... As if he decomposed his atoms to go through the cloth, while containing the energy within himself, as He is life itself. Hope this helps.
Christopher Thank you for your video There are things that are Holy and Sacred I believe the Holy Shroud of Jesus to be real on what God has shown me about it and is between God and me at this time not for the media but this I will tell you at an early age I awoke one night from my sleep outside my bedroom was the kitchen and the nightlight was on as I was looking around in the kitchen I looked at the clock on the wall the time on the clock was around 1:12am in the morning as I turned my head back around about 5ft from the end of my bed stood Jesus in his glorified body or resurrected body some will say and his body was made of light slightly transparent and I could see the clothing bag hanging up behind him and still see him clearly he stood about 5ft in 5 -7 height I am guessing Jesus was wearing a red robe his under garments were blue then white against his chest and had his right arm bent upward with his fingers raised from his hand pointing upwards his hair was dark down to his shoulders not passed medium beard and perfect I noticed his eyes were dark his skin was dark tan olive in color and looked Jewish for sure as I was looking at Jesus and Jesus looking at me an awareness came over me of who he is and then I felt naked and exposed being in his presents being Holy and Almighty then a great fear came upon me my body trembled teeth chattered with fear which lasted about 4 hours after I closed my eyes 47 years later my mother passed away at the same time on the clock that I met Jesus it is said the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom it was the greatest fear I ever experienced in my life but also one of the greatest Blessings and when Gods Holy Spirit entered me later on I felt the most peace love joy freedom it not only surrounded me but those very words became me in the presents of the Father at that time and I wept. Yes I believe the Holy Shroud of Jesus to be real God Bless Everyone and may God have Grace and Mercy on us all !.
The Shroud of Turin features a 3/1 herringbone twill weave, which is a complex pattern involving the weft thread passing over three warp threads and under one. This type of weave is not known to have existed in the first century Middle East and is more consistent with medieval European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. So how can the Shroud be from the time of Jesus when this weaving technique didn't exist? Oops..
Not everyone, it's obviously NOT a shroud. It is impossible for a shroud to reveal an image as appears on the Shroud of Turin. The fact is a real shroud would show a distorted version of the face (curved to flattened = much broader than a real face) and it would show both sides of the head with ears and the back of the head flattened from 3D to 2D. And it is impossible not to if it's real. Shroud of Turin real? ROTFLOL.
Wow do you ever sound ignorant. I bet that there is a very good reason for that. I find it funny that you, all by yourself, think, incredibly, that you know more about the image on the Holy Shroud than what was *proven* by many dozens of doctors, scientists, archeologists, and other highly trained researchers and their *tens of thousands of hours* of examinations have given us. The Shroud *most definitely* wrapped the body of a severely beaten, scourged and crucified man that was wearing a crown or cap of thorns while on the cross. If you really and truly are idiot enough to believe that this was someone other than Jesus Christ then all I can say is...wow. Sucks to be you! Thank God I am not a moron!
@@dontliethoughhh8147 - Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art. - 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century. - The pollen traces on shroud was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
@@dontliethoughhh8147Anatomical issues: - The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5. - The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art. - Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern. - The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms. - The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left. - The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately. - Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person. Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy. This suggests that it wasn't a linen with a real human body underneath.
The Shroud is a physical, material TESTIMONY that Jesus came to pay the penalty for the SINS of the World. If we ignore it WE place ourselves in the position of ETERNAL JUDGEMENT!
Yes... bible is all about aliens. They are still here, bad and good. Old testament tells you. Moses burnt face,Jacobs ladder,ezeikiel,ennoch,the accention of jc ..up in clouds with angels at his side..
A very talented forger. In 1355, when it suddenly popped up in Lirey near Paris, In 1390, the Bishop of Troyes, Pierre d'Arcis, who had jurisdiction over the church in Lirey, wrote a lengthy memorandum to Antipope Clement VII , declaring that the shroud was a forgery and that a previous Bishop of Troyes, Henri de Poitiers, had identified the artist who had made it. Nevertheless, Clement VII allowed pilgims to have access to the schroud on the condition that a warning be posted next to the shroud inticating that it was not the true shroud but A COPY OF THE REAL ONE. Have a look at the mess around the shroud at this time. Any way. Now at a moment when christianity is declining, when the catholic church is in disarray (pedofilia, internal fights...) and the west waging a new crusade to expel muslims from Europe, ready to wage war on China, the shroud authenticity comes at the right time. Why does the pope attend G20 meetings? Cristianity is the cement of the West. No cristianity, -> no West. Time to rally 'round one another. There are honnest scientists, there are dishonnest scientists. Further more they have to protect their carreer, their wage, thier brand, their country.... Have a look at what scientists proved right and was wrong and for instance killed millions? You can inquire. Did the scientistes pick up themselves the samples on the shroud? No way to reproduce it -> god. No way to reproduce Stradivarii and Guranerii -> god. No way to reproduce polygonal walls -> god. No black spots due to smoke in prehistoric caves -> god....... No way to? -> god. Now the body of jc emitted energy -> photons -> heat? The body was not cold? The body was warm? So jc was not dead. He never died. He never rescucitated. Thanks shroud for this information. NDE? Now the church keeps silent. Ovbious. It does not know where the shroud comes from. From the beginning, it is a fake. If the church decides to state that the shroud is genuine and then is proved to ba a fake, all other relics will be in jeopardy. The church will never take position. To protect christianity, overall catholicism, the West will use all ways and means. Birth -> death. Baptism ->: Remember these images. WWI: priest s giving absolution to soldiers before going to certain -> death. Perfect. I personnaly doubt that scanners where invented during the first century of our era. THis is not the end of the story. To be continued.....
Those of us with even a tiny bit of intelligence know that the bishop's letter to the Pope was after a local artist, in a feeble attempt to make a name for himself, told him that it was he that painted the cloth. The bishop, being the gullible old fool that he was, took him at his word. Of course, they did not have the testing back then they do now, or they quickly would have discovered that there is not so much as a drop of paint, or any other manmade material on the image on the Shroud. The fact is that there are no pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. There are no chemical or physical methods known which can account for the totality of the image, nor can any combination of physical, chemical, biological or medical circumstances explain the image adequately. There currently is a $1,000,000 reward out there for anyone that can prove that the image on there was manmade. Why don't you go claim it if you think that you know more than everyone else on the planet does?
@@jjt9201 We have a pretty good idea how the Great Pyramids were built by now, but there are several variations. As far as the image on the Shroud goes, we do not know 100% how the image got on there, but we _do_ know that it was not put on by the hand of man. That pretty much narrows it down just who put it on there.
HE WAS SON OF QUEEN HELENA AND HER BROTHER PHRAATES ARSHAKUNI KING ABGAR IZATES JOSEPH BAR GIORA MONO BAZUS AND HE WAS BORN WITH HAZEL NUT GINGER REDISH HAIR LIKE HIS GREAT GRANDMOTHER CLEOPATRA HE WAS THE GREATEST EGYPTIAN PHARAOH AND HIS GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS JULIUS CAESAR ON HIS MOTHERS SIDE AND WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 30,S HE HAD BLACK ARMENIAN BEARD AND GREW A PONY TAIL, HIS REAL NAME WAS GENERAL SIMON ARSHAKUNI BAR GIORA IZATES II KING MONO BAZUS WHO LED JEWISH REVOLT IN 66-70 A.D AND 40,000 JEWISH ARMY AGAINST GENERAL TITUS AND HIS FATHER VESPASIAN AND 70,000 ROMAN ARMY. CHRIST WAS LED BACK TO ROME AND PUT ON MILITARY TRIAL HIS SON ELEAZAR SIMON PETER REHEM NAMELY JUDAS ISCARIOT AND GENERAL JOHN AND 700 JEWISH PRISONERS. The Joseph of Arimathaias the new testament gospel writer who, the Gospels say, provided the Son of Man with a tomb in Rome and burial linin cloth, was Joseph Bara-matthias, that is to say, Joseph Son of Matthias, the Flavins General Saul apostle Paul Josephus of profane history. The Veronica of the Apocryphal Gospels, to whom legend has given the blood printed portrait of Christ the Jewish General the Son of Man, was the Berenike, who was almost empress of Rome, and, with her brother Herod Agrippa II, was in Rome to witness the total humiliation of Christ the king of the Jews and the triumph of his conqueror.
A church is not a building you go to on sunday. It is the body of christ. You can not consolidate or centralize 1 church because the spirit is universal. Jesus will be the one to gather the church. The church that jesus preached was a church that goes out, and helps those in need spirituality and physically. The church is you, yes the guy or girl that hasn't been to a building called a "church". Ask yourselves how did jesus show the deciples to pray? Not out in public and not in a stuffy building but, in the quiet with just you and God. Going to church doesn't save you, being the church does.
Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
Surely, if the shroud is an image of Christ, it is a graven image, expressly forbidden by the second commandment. It is not even a figurative representation of Christ, it would be the genuine face of God. If proven, it cannot be kept, it must be destroyed.
@@gobrad The honest answer is, they don't know the exact method used. But the evidence I provided regarding the wrong anatomical proportions was confirmed by Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, and indicates its not an authentic burial cloth from Jesus.
@@gobrad Anatomical inaccuracies: - The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5. - The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art. - Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern. - The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms. - The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left. - The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately.
@@tobias4411 For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible, no matter what the evidence, they prefer to remain in ignorance and nothing will change them because of they’re stance!.. Only recently with all the incredible technology have they finally concluded the Shroud Of Turin is authentic without doubt... It is now more than ever an absolute impossibility for any scientist to state otherwise… To put it simply… There is no technology in existence to prove its not authentic!... Every time a person is in dialogue with an atheist he can simply skip all philosophical arguments and simply point to the Shroud. Most of them will mock, and with a wave of the hand, say: “Carbon-14 dating showed it to be a medieval forgery a long time ago.” The problem with this argument is that the carbon-14 test that was cited is hardly infallible and carbon-14 is far from being the only proof that the Shroud presents. No technology exists to date that can print on fabric in that way. The image is not a stain. It is not painted. It is not burned in a conventional way. Instead, it is a scorched image on the cloth, the production technology of which has not yet been explained. Not only can the image not be reproduced using medieval technologies; it can not be reproduced with modern technology. Of course we will always get those who deny but the excuses are no longer acceptiable… For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, not explanation is possible… It’s simply a matter of denial on their part simply not wanting to know what is truly before them!... In the latest scientific discovery of the Shroud only months ago, and the latest technology only available , not only proves the authenticity but also The Resurrection!... The body was in a floating position at the time of the imprint and the cloth clearly shows this… Why Only now throughout all the ages of technology can this be understood! Why is God making this revelation today? I think we know the answer!? Ron Wyatt would have delighted in the next finding as the analyses on The Shroud produce the exact same results as the analysis of the Blood Samples he took from the Arc Of The Covenant… Blood Type: AB - Chromosome Count 22 (meaning no earthly father) The results of the Blood samples found on the Arc Of The Covenant show the same results to those of the Shroud … The scientist who reluctantly carried out these tests was Jewish, now converted… He did not want to be part in this new and latest investigation for obvious reasons but as he was top in his scientific field of study in this new technology, he was persuaded and he accepted the challenge and the results are miraculous… Now the picture comes together in an even more profound discovery in what God is truly manifesting today and if we open our eyes and hearts we will clearly see the whole meaning of the Arc Of The Covenant in relation to Jesus and the Sacraments which He instituted through His Sufferings and Death… The Blood Samples on the Arc Of The Covenant produce the exact same results as those on the Shroud… Now comes the completion of this miraculous manifestation… Recently at a Mass, a Priest was informed by one of his congregation that a recipient had discarded a Consecrated Host… In Brief: The Priest wrapped the Host in a Cloth and placed it in the ciborium… Days later he returned to find blood coming from the Host. On informing Cardinal Bergoglio (now Pope) They sent the Eucharist sample to a top American scientist in California who had only been awarded for his achievements in the analysis of blood and DNA… The sample was given without informing the scientist of what it was. The Scientist, who happened to be Atheist,… Strange as it us, he was Jewish. These were his results of the Eucharist and Blood sample… The Blood Type was AB but as he was showing and explaining his findings, shaking and alarmed, he asked what it was they had given him, for he was able to tell that the person this blood and tissue belonged to had died a most traumatic death yet to his amazement, the blood cells were living! He was able to tell by the sample that it was "Heart Tissue and without any sign of decay…”. But what totally disoriented him was that the blood type showed "No Father" “Only 22 Chromosomes!... “ What is God revealing to our generation and why!! Are we going to deny these divine revelations because of indifference and stupidity for the sake of a little reflection on our part!.... One day it will be too late! Luther and his like destroyed so much for countless souls by distorting many truths but it’s time to wake up and evaluate what is truly before us!!! Only the proud and arrogant will never accept truths and it’s divine origin! The prayer of Jesus to the Father… "Father, Let Them Be One, just as you are in me and I am in you" Jesus is the one and only truth and there can only be one Church under that One Truth or Jesus would be divided within Himself… Did the Lord not speak frankly and without any further explanation that unless we eat His Flehs and drink His Blood we do not have life in us… When the crowed dispersed, did He call them back and say… Oh no, you have taken me wrong! No He did not, for as He said "I am The Living Bread That Came Down From Heaven: ( "Living Cells") This is The Holy Eucharist He Instituted and countless are the miracles present in the world for those who disbelieve in His Words!... When we have all this, we will understand the true meaning on the Arc Of The Covenant and The place where God is now Present… The Holy Eucharist.
Not fascinating at all. Exodus 20:3-5 “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image-ANY LIKENESS OF ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor [a]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me….” God’s first three commandments condemn the shroud that Christians find themselves attached to. When God says no, God means no.
Was not the Ark of the Covenant carved by man with Gods instructions and created with Cherubims? along with the Ark and other things as long as you worship the Father the Son Jesus Christ and HolySpirit the one True God and respect and love his creation That he alone created with us in mind Remember it was the Pharrises and the Sadduceess that crucified Christ with their stricked rules not knowing the true purpose of Gods plan Love one another as I have loved you God Bless
@@brucedon1951 What you Christians seem to forget is that none of the children of Israel worshipped or bowed down or served the images that was commanded by God on the Ark of the Covenant. The law specifically states that “you shall not make for yourself.” The Ark was not made for the children of Israel to worship at all. Instead, the Ark of the Covenant was created in order to allow the children of Israel’s chosen to carry the stone tablets of the Covenant and for the children of Israel to be aware of God’s presence continually during their trek and allowing them to communicate with God. It was never an object of worship, nor did God command them to do such things. As for God’s son? It was never an individual representation. Instead, what is God’s opinion? Whom does God claim to be His son? Exodus 4:22 “Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says YHVH: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.” God never mentions the Jesus character as His son, nor does God ever claim that He has an only begotten son. Instead that idea came much later in Christendom, a progressive revelation that never materialized.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 What you said about worshipping false idols instead of God himself I understand that there were many false Gods idols back then that people worshipped and even today What we disagree on is that I believe in the New Testament and Jesus Christ one day in my life by myself Gods Holy Spirit entered into me and I was in the presents of God the Father and cried out Father my Father I love you and it was not by man but by God Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me and one must be born of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God believe what you will but only the truth will set one free through out the Old Testament the Prophets spoke of the coming of the Messiah which is Jesus Christ God Bless you and your family and everyone
@@brucedon1951 And what happened to those who turned their back on God and fell for the past false gods and fell for the latest trend? For example: 1 Kings 19:18 “Yet I have left Me seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.” This happens to be a reoccurring theme throughout the biblical narrative. Imagine that, only seven thousand out of millions were spared by God due to the fact that they refused to accept the latest offer of a new “God,” a new way, separate from what is mentioned and commanded in TaNaKh. Same rules have always applied. Nothing has changed. For the past two millennia the world has been exposed to a new way, a “New” fake Twistament that was never authorized by God, nor does God have any say in it, collecting unsuspicious and uneducated, misinformed individuals who would rather believe what the Jesus agenda offers them (false hope in a dead man) rather than trust in God’s true salvation plan that has existed since day one of God’s eternal covenant to the world. God’s true salvation plan? Genesis 4:7 “If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, BUT YOU SHOULD RULE OVER IT.” Whoever taught you that God’s eternal commandments are no longer in existence you need to report them and fire them immediately! Whoever taught you that God’s true salvation plan no longer applies you need to run as fast as you possibly can away from them and begin to truly repent and return back to God.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 Do you know Why God gave Moses the Ten Commandments to give to his people it was out of Love for his creation people that he created sin was destroying people lives by our sinfull fallen nature by not following the Ten Commandments people murdering each other crime lust ect it would be peace on earth if they did My will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven God Bless
You're showing your ignorance. Big time. Where did you _ever_ get the idea that anyone was supposed to worship the Holy Shroud?? We do not worship a cloth. We worship the man that it once contained. Any way that you can understand that?
@@beverlyhurd8556 the Lord Jesus is hidden. If he intended for us to see His image, it would have been done. No doubt that this may help someone believe because some need to see to believe. In the last days the Lord is reaching the deepest most lost and polluted. If we put a face of God in picture and look at it and pray with a face, we are worshiping an image. Our reward according to the NT is that we will behold Him face to face. This tells us that seeing Him as He really is, in the person, will be a reward to those who believe and love His appearing. While it is very possible that this is in fact real, it can become a great stumbling block to the church. Just the fact that there are two sides to this artifact, being real or not, is divisive and damages the believers and the church.
By 2027 plz denounce JP II as a “Saint” Disturbing behavior at Assisi 1986 (we wrongfully shunned Lefebvre in 1988) and approved Satan’s divine mercy devotion (Mt 6: 7; 24: 24) Canonizations and private revelations not infallible, especially after Paul VI (‘66) butchered Traditional (2 Thes 2: 15) Mass and JP II made much easier
@@janeyount8412 RIP JP I mysteriously dying 33 days after elected pope. He wanted to discipline Cardinal Baggio freemason appointing bishops worldwide; Baggio last one to see him alive Pray a daily rosary and attend TLM like Padre Pio when you can
because they are desperate for evidence to support their cult. Alas, the shroud is quite a fraud since 1. a jewish man in the first century would not have long flowing hair, and 2. the bible says there were two seperate cloths in the tomb.
Correct, its sad. Some even go further than that saying the other cloth was Jesus head cloth, Sudarium of Oviedo. But that was dated to 700 AD. But they don't care of facts. As you say, desperation😅.
@@tobias4411 I had thought there was another contestant for this nonsense. yep, at best it is first seen nearly 600 years after the supposed events. "The Sudarium of Oviedo, or Shroud of Oviedo, is a bloodstained piece of cloth measuring c. 84 x 53 cm (33 x 21 inches) kept in the Cámara Santa of the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain.[1] The Sudarium (Latin for sweat cloth) is thought to be the cloth that was wrapped around the head of Jesus Christ after he died as described in John 20:6-7. The cloth has been dated to around 700 AD by radiocarbon dating. However, at the same conference at which this information was presented, it was noted that in actuality the cloth has a definite history extending back to approximately 570 AD. The laboratory noted that later oil contamination could have resulted in the late dating" - wikipedia
Cloth first record was in 1354 in medieval France Europe of course with no explanation or record of how or why it went from the middle east ancient jewish era to France 1354. Geoffori de Charney was the original owner and he made no attempt to prove how he came into possession of the cloth theres nothing to prove it originally came from the middle east let alone the tomb of jesus Cloth is under the control of the catholic church government in italy They have always used it to promote their religion over all others but dont tell that to a believing catholic or that statues dont bleed blood or that visions of virgin mary dont appear daily 😅
were the other men hung on crosses with jesus wrapped in cloth
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Wrong. There were many who were crucified that even Jesus was crucified together with 2 others. How are you supposed to identify Jesus' shroud when we don't have Mary's DNA? Also, John 20:7 indicates that Jesus had a separate head wrap separate from the body wrap. so it is NOT one whole piece of cloth like the shroud of Turin! And true believers (not idolatrous Catholics) are not obsessed with powerless relics because we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The shroud of Turin is Christ’s or not is archeologically interesting not because of any supposed powers it might hold. Regardless, relics of saints and of God are not powerless. The Bible refutes you. “And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and though she had spent all her living on physicians,[a] she could not be healed by anyone. 44 She came up behind him and touched the fringe of his garment, and immediately her discharge of blood ceased. 45 And Jesus said, “Who was it that touched me?” When all denied it, Peter[b] said, “Master, the crowds surround you and are pressing in on you!” 46 But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I perceive that power has gone out from me.” 47 And when the woman saw that she was not hidden, she came trembling, and falling down before him declared in the presence of all the people why she had touched him, and how she had been immediately healed. 48 And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace.” - Luke 8:43-48
Protestants are hardly the true believers as you have ten of thousands of denominations that doesn’t even have proper christology. The catholics are schismatics but at least they are better than you, Protestants
Um, hate to break this to you but no one has any samples of Mary's _or_ Jesus' DNA. And I seriously doubt if there's a sample of God's blood somewhere that we could use for testing as well. And the strips of cloth? The secured his body during rigor and were to be used to secure the Shroud to his body. Jesus most certainly was not wrapped up like King Tut. As far as the headcloth of Jesus, that today is in Spain where it is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. Why don't you go check it out? Plenty of info on it right here on UA-cam.
Ok go back to your empty church. Catholics not being flaky and shaky, doesn't mean we're fanatics, it's just that your faith is poor. First of all, you would have to believe in the Eucharist, to even understand that we have Jesus DNA at every Holy Mass in the Holy Communion. Second, yes, there's two pieces(The Oviedo Sudarium) so just stop making excuses. Lastly, not even us, Catholics are obligated to believe in these things, yet we choose to, even more while science proves everyday the Truth.
It is a great mercy Jesus left this for us.
Too bad he did not leave the original copies of the gospels🙁
@@say10..Be grateful for what we do have. 😊
@@JoAnnFuir Yeah, get on your knees and grovel even though there is no good evidence for what you are groveling to.
That pints with aquinas episode was shocking, it opened my eyes and I couldn't sleep properly for over a month. The shroud is real, He is risen!
Hey do you think you could share a link to the episode you spoke of here? Thanks!
@@junkremovers5825 It's in the links below this video
@@junkremovers5825check out the videos description box it's got the link
@@junkremovers5825 it is in the description: ua-cam.com/users/liveHAbuG-oVq1Q
@@junkremovers5825yes! It’s long but SO worth the watch!!
ua-cam.com/users/liveHAbuG-oVq1Q?si=kF8zUbozz715eJiz
I personally believe that the SHROUD of TURIN , is the RECEIPT that JESUS left us to prove HIS "PAID IN FULL" for our SALVATION!
I like that. It makes a lot of sense. The same goes for the wrap that went over his face, which is located somewhere else in Europe. When combined, the two mesh perfectly.
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The Sudarium of Oviedo, yes!
In my language we say:"We need to believe the unvisible things". So I don't believe but I know, because I saw, and there is no other explanation for that shroud. This is 100% prooved to me...
@@JackSuiter to some this may help them believe. How much sweeter to those who can believe and have not seen Him.
Have you found your human spirit?
Who wouldn't be fascinated by the Shroud of Turin? There is no other one like this Shroud.
There is one more :) The Volto Santo di Manoppello. The same image, blood group, and age. What I find fascinating about the Volto Santo, is that Christ has eyes opened in it. There are holes burned in the fabric where the pupils should be. 🔥❤
@@stokrotnie7 those aren't holes but Roman coins placed on Christ eyes after he died.
It’s the cloth. It always has been. It’s fellow humans who doubt. Blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
Blessed that are pure in heart for they shall see God
@@brucedon1951 Blessed are the gullible for their wallets will be made lighter.
@@kevinkelly2162 In Matt 5-8 Sermon on the Mount is what Jesus said their are people that believe and others who mock him it is their choice God Bless
Refutation:
- Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
- 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.
- The pollen traces on shroud
was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
Questions on that?
Anatomical inaccuracies:
- The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5.
- The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art.
- Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern.
- The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms.
- The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left.
- The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately.
- Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person.
Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy.
This suggests that it wasn't a linen with a real human body underneath.
I never doubted
I'm absolutely convinced that it is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. I always look in awe at this tortured and yet so peaceful face.
I'm absolutely convinced that it's not
@@say10.. then you probably are also an atheist
I don't understand why it is relevant to believers.
@@Pablo-gl9dj then you probably dont understand much. It is physical evidence. I guess you dont understand why physical evidence is needed for a prosecution either (unless Trump is the defendant of course).
@@say10.. 👍
Back in 1988, when that test said it was from the 14th century, my teacher said then it was a bad test because they took the sample from a spot that had been burned.
The shroud of Turin is now the most scientifically studied archaeological artifact, and religious relic, in existence; literally nothing else comes close. And after being subjected to every single test science can throw at it, this object has left even many of the most skeptical inquirers baffled.
The image is a matter of faith; however, this image gets genuine seekers closer to faith by way of reason than anything else can or will. Approach the Shroud honestly, with openness, and sincerity of heart, and you will stand face to face with Christ; then you’ll only need to reach out a single finger to find your loving creator welcoming you home.
I feel like there are arguments that logically can have the same efficacy if people are willing to think critically and open their minds and hearts. I do believe this is yet another great avenue for people to find their faith, however it is important not to put too much emphasis on any one thing, because if people lose faith in that singular thing then they may lose all their faith at once. I’d say it’s important to not just focus on this one thing, but bringing it up is important nonetheless.
@@ill_steal_your_pbj7363Very important point.
I mean, all tests have conclusively proven that the shroud is from the 12th-13th century.
It was even denounced by the church as fake even going so far as to report they knew who the actual man behind it was.
But hey, let's not get in the way of a lucrative story.
Btw faith and reason are two things that don't belong in the same sentence together especially with regards to blind fanatical religion, religion forgoes reason in favour for blind faith, it is reason you must give up along with logical snd critical thinking.
The shroud has also been proven to have severe DNA contamination, it also proves that Jesus if it is Jesus was obviously mummified, so he couldn’t have resurrected in the timeframe that the Bible claims.
He its risen!
Looks like Jesus wants Him to be found🙏
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The image on the Shroud and its properties sound very similar to the tilma of St Juan Diego of our Lady of Guadalupe…very interesting
I, too, am reminded of the miracles of the Tilma by the new studies into the Shroud. Because of the detailed images in the eyes alone, I cannot pick my jaw up off the floor.
The Tilma makes my heart sing and dance!
I appreciate your videos.
I don’t need to see this cloth to believe any more than I already do, I’m just tryna see what Jesus REALLY looked like lol
He is beautiful 😍
Amen, but this SHROUD may bring other souls to belief in our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus values lost souls so highly they even if this SHROUD saves ONE MORE SOUL, it's worth it!
Same here! 😊
@@ValentinaKajcinovskaIn every way. ❤
Who cares? You don't even have a milenar tradition....
God is amazing in so many ways that we cannot begin to comprehend. But the fact that He has given us this gift, not for the early days of the Church but for OUR TIME, when apostasy is devouring faith across the world and all denominations, but when science can unlock the hidden story contained in this piece of linen and give us almost an eye-witness account of the Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, is just astonishing. Not everybody will believe it. Mankind has a tendency to avoid the difficult choices, make excuses to avoid the truth, latch onto any apparent facts which might let people off the hook which is Belief and the associated requirement then to commit to this God, this Christ, this Salvation and the promise of Eternal Life with him.
I love the way God works with us to draw back the curtain more and more to reinforce our Faith and reveal treasures about Himself. Apparitions, Eucharistic Miracles, and the very miracle of the Eucharist itself at every Mass that is celebrated, what a rich treasure we are given, and how much I wish and pray that the whole world would embrace it.
I have never doubted that it’s the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. Visiting the Shroud Museum within the Regina Apostolorum in 2011, while in Rome for an International Theology of the Body Congress, was the next best thing to seeing the actual Shroud in Turin. I’ve heard the Resurrection “radiation” theory before and it makes a lot of sense.
Thanks the Lord Amen
beautiful episode
I was raised atheist I believe in Jesus.
Profound talk, very touching. These signs and wonders are to help us grow strong in our faith.
🙏 Hallelujah ✝️
When Jesus went to the cross he knew who he was. He was God and he knew he had the power to rise from the dead. The shroud is a sign for us believers that he is risen from the dead, and he was a sacrifice for our sins. No more sacrifices are needed. AMEN PRAISE GOD!
HONOR to our INMORTAL HERO Jesus our YOUNG GOD forever
The first time I saw the pics, including the photo opposite that shows what Jesus looks like I couldn’t breath for a minute. I could feel with every cell in my body that is the face of our beloved savior.
I love it because it just simply reinforces our belief about the death & resurrection of Jesus, the God who loved us so much he incarnated into a man to be amongst us, knowing he’d be murdered for giving us the truth, the gospel, which nobody, especially those embroiled in their own sin, was prepared for.
So you don't care what the truth is, as long it reinforce your belief in myth and folklore?
"For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7
I trust in the traditions
What do you mean by that?
@@the_light_writer I think he meant to say he trusts in the traditions
But the bible tells us not to trust in the traditions of man. So i wouldnt trust any tradition if i were you.
@@bloodmoonwillows2438the Bible says to trust in the traditions
“So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the TRADITIONS that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
@@emiliomilian4284
But it is not just any tradition put forth by religious sects but “…either by our spoken word or letter” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)
The traditions you refer to were they either by the apostles spoken words or letters? If they aren’t, then you need to be careful with them.
I’ve been hearing about the shroud, studying, going to lectures, blah, blah blah for many many years I never doubted. Never ever ever. Of course this is the covering of Jesus who’s else would it be my goodness what kind of crazy people out there who doubt
Cloth is under the control of the catholic church government in italy They have always used it to promote their religion over all others but dont tell that to a believing catholic or that statues dont bleed blood or that visions of virgin mary dont appear daily 😅😅
@@vls3771 Um, the Pope owns the Shroud. Not the Catholic church itself and many millions of us non-Catholics know that the Shroud of Turin is the Real Deal as well. Being a Catholic has zero to do with anything.
Amen 🙏
So I live in Colorado springs and I hope you come here soon...
I'm not aware of the shroud center you spoke about, but saint Gabriel church in co spgs has a giant area dedicated to the shroud including a life size replica.
Dr. Jackson’s theory makes sense.
Didn't need the cloth to know Jesus is 110% REAL, I feel bad for those who don't know.
What is amazing is that God used physics to resurrect himself. There was an actual physical quantum event to reinvigorate each and every cell of Christ's body at that moment. God could have simply "snapped his fingers" to resurrect his Son, but He chose instead a way that we humans would have some semblance of understanding of how the resurrection was done. That boggles my mind.
Who resurrected Jesus?
@@Pablo-gl9dj God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Even though Jesus said, "I will raise this temple after three days".
Hello TOBI, I am curious if you may please make a video covering the sensitive topic of devout practicing Catholics suffering hierophilia.
A personal rational explanation seems to be that natural impulses (young teenagers and single adults in their 20s) that are not being fulfilled in one area of life try to come out in another. I've found that photographs of the more modern saints tend to help with this (Fatima Kids, Pope John Paul 2, Mother Teresa, etc.) because they're not easily disconnected from reality like artistic portrayals and hence more easily humanise the faith.
The more I hear of the new research the more I think it really might be.
I believe the shroud of turin is God's 😊calling card
It's real
Any undertaker will tell you that that is the best job ever. And to consider it was 2000 years ago makes it even more remarkable, especially the hair !
Almighty God is showing the world that the Bible is 💯 true! From discovering Noah's ark, to discovering Sodom and Gomorrah. It's all true! Glory to God
is there any study on what happened to all the gold the three kings gave to Jesus
Another interesting event would be the Virgin Mary’s assumption… i wonder if the Mantle used to cover Mary’s body after death still exists.
How did the glass plate come up positive when should have been a negative. Original photos
Christos anesti! ☦️
First selfie in history 😂
Amen. I was all for the tests on the cloth that were done a while back which put a dent in the belief that it was the cloth that Jesus was buried in. I had an understanding of the science behind it. Delighted to see the results of these latest tests which prove that it is most likely the cloth that Jesus was buried in and rose from almost 2000 years ago.
His body lifted THRU the shroud? If so wouldn't the fibers have the image all the way through instead of just on the surface where His body was touching?
Does Jhon 20:6-7 disprove the Shrouds authenticity?
Nope. Not in any way.
Biggest thing that makes me disagree with that is the images on both the front and the back of Jesus. If he was laying on his back then that back part would not have gone through his body
I saw one scientist explain that Jesus' body, while wrapped in the Shroud, probably levitated off the stone slab as it happened.
I believe it was Jesus❤
That's because you are intelligent and have common sense! 👍
Refutation:
- Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
- 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.
- The pollen traces on shroud
was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
Questions on that?
@@tobias4411 What a bunch of crap. Here's what the actual scientists that _hand on_ examined the Shroud said:
STURP issued its Final Report in 1981: *We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is **_not_** the product of an artist.* "The answer to the question of how the image was produced or what produced the image remains, now, as it has in the past, a mystery." _No one has ever proven these 33 scientists and engineers wrong._ All were part of leading tech firms. Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Lockheed Corporation* U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* Brooks Institute of Photography* University of Colorado* Oceanographic Services Inc.* Nuclear Technology Corporation* U.S. Air Force Academy* Jet Propulsion Laboratory* Sandia National Laboratory*, etc. The STRUP team included three Jewish members, one Mormon, one Evangelical, several Catholics, several Protestants and some avowed atheists and agnostics. Had religion ever been a criterion for membership, most of the STURP team members would never have agreed to participate. The notion that it is a forgery (a painting, other work of art) has been disproved so thoroughly and absolutely that it is permanently buried; they are based in part on the denial of empirical data. The scholarly consensus a mere 60 years ago deemed the Shroud a medieval fraud; the present evidence allows a firm archaeological judgement for authenticity.
@@beverlyhurd8556Show me evidence that 3/1 herringbone twill weave existed at the time of Jesus. I'll wait.😂
The Shroud of Turin image shows the arms of the depicted figure as being of different lengths. This anatomical inconsistency has been noted by researchers. Did Jesus have different long arms? 😂
I think that the use of the word "everybody" might be over-stating things slightly....
And it matches the Original Divine Mercy image! The one in Vilnius Lithuania, painted by Eugeniusz Kazimirowski. And it is THE image that St Faustina saw and asked him to paint!
Daniel diSilva talks more on this, one can check that out.
Jesus, I trust in You! Amen!!!❤️🔥
Do you know anything about photography and optics?
@@tobias4411 Only a stupid atheist would think that someone 2000 years ago they had cameras.
Funny how people is now discovering the Shroud of Turin. Someday they may also discover the Sudarium of Oviedo or the Chalice of Doña Urraca.
Funny?
If it fell through him, why is the image of his back there also?
The Shroud gives a shout out to all the Doubting Thomases out there!
And also to those who believe
Funny were always told to trust the science...nah....give it a few years and the science usually changes. Praise Jesus Christ King of Kings
Because try as they might to prove it fake. The more they look. The more science says it's real.
That's a problem.
- Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
- 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.
- The pollen traces on shroud
was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
@@tobias4411 ya...Nope.
@@scottmitchell2757Anatomical inaccuracies:
- The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5.
- The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art.
- Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern.
- The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms.
- The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left.
- The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately.
- Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person.
Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy.
@@scottmitchell2757Show me evidence that 3/1 herringbone twill weave existed at the time of Jesus. I'll wait.😂
It was the only piece that was repaired on the corner they ussd...
The rest keeps checking out more and more.
This is old news
but thank you for posting 3 paragraphs from Wikipedia about herring bone..
It was a very passionate display of confirmation bias..
Sorry for ruining it, but do you realise that projection of a human body onto a wrapped around it surface would not look like what we see on the shroud? We see just an image projected onto 2d surface which is consistent with it being a man made artistic artifact. Also if it fell through the body, why fibers were affected only superficcialy and only on one side? And why body back side has imprinted similarly?
It's not an artifact though. Have you actually studied the image? Apparently not. It's a radiation burn of the superficial fibers; a photographic negative; no paint or pigments; topographic representation of bodyboards based on image intensity of body parts in proximity to the cloth.
It's not something that any artist or scientist can reproduce.
Artistic with paint? Studies have proven there's no liquid solution and that the Shroud is a radioactive imprint. Other studies have shown that the backside has been affected to a lesser degree by the same process
Then recreate it, Hot Shot. Should be a piece of cake for an artistic genius such as yourself.
It's precisely the way it was imprinted that makes it authentic. It's as if it was absorbed as Jesus traspassed it, leaving the marks of the radiation for this action... As if he decomposed his atoms to go through the cloth, while containing the energy within himself, as He is life itself. Hope this helps.
@@Chumazik777
Tests have shown a slightly radioactive impression on the other side of the Shroud ✝️ Hallelujah
Christopher is not giving us any dating techniques 😢
Christopher Thank you for your video There are things that are Holy and Sacred I believe the Holy Shroud of Jesus to be real on what God has shown me about it and is between God and me at this time not for the media but this I will tell you at an early age I awoke one night from my sleep outside my bedroom was the kitchen and the nightlight was on as I was looking around in the kitchen I looked at the clock on the wall the time on the clock was around 1:12am in the morning as I turned my head back around about 5ft from the end of my bed stood Jesus in his glorified body or resurrected body some will say and his body was made of light slightly transparent and I could see the clothing bag hanging up behind him and still see him clearly he stood about 5ft in 5 -7 height I am guessing Jesus was wearing a red robe his under garments were blue then white against his chest and had his right arm bent upward with his fingers raised from his hand pointing upwards his hair was dark down to his shoulders not passed medium beard and perfect I noticed his eyes were dark his skin was dark tan olive in color and looked Jewish for sure as I was looking at Jesus and Jesus looking at me an awareness came over me of who he is and then I felt naked and exposed being in his presents being Holy and Almighty then a great fear came upon me my body trembled teeth chattered with fear which lasted about 4 hours after I closed my eyes 47 years later my mother passed away at the same time on the clock that I met Jesus it is said the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom it was the greatest fear I ever experienced in my life but also one of the greatest Blessings and when Gods Holy Spirit entered me later on I felt the most peace love joy freedom it not only surrounded me but those very words became me in the presents of the Father at that time and I wept. Yes I believe the Holy Shroud of Jesus to be real God Bless Everyone and may God have Grace and Mercy on us all !.
The Shroud of Turin features a 3/1 herringbone twill weave, which is a complex pattern involving the weft thread passing over three warp threads and under one. This type of weave is not known to have existed in the first century Middle East and is more consistent with medieval European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.
So how can the Shroud be from the time of Jesus when this weaving technique didn't exist? Oops..
Not everyone, it's obviously NOT a shroud. It is impossible for a shroud to reveal an image as appears on the Shroud of Turin. The fact is a real shroud would show a distorted version of the face (curved to flattened = much broader than a real face) and it would show both sides of the head with ears and the back of the head flattened from 3D to 2D. And it is impossible not to if it's real. Shroud of Turin real? ROTFLOL.
Wow do you ever sound ignorant. I bet that there is a very good reason for that. I find it funny that you, all by yourself, think, incredibly, that you know more about the image on the Holy Shroud than what was *proven* by many dozens of doctors, scientists, archeologists, and other highly trained researchers and their *tens of thousands of hours* of examinations have given us. The Shroud *most definitely* wrapped the body of a severely beaten, scourged and crucified man that was wearing a crown or cap of thorns while on the cross. If you really and truly are idiot enough to believe that this was someone other than Jesus Christ then all I can say is...wow. Sucks to be you! Thank God I am not a moron!
They are enamored with this cloth because they have no faith.
It's the shroud of Turin not the shroud of Christ.
Only because it was held in Turin, that doesn't mean it isn't Christ's shroud though.
Yes, shroud of forgery.
@@tobias4411 Can you explain how it's a forgery?
@@dontliethoughhh8147
- Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
- 3/1 herringbone twill weave didn't exist in the first century Middle East. European weaving techniques, likely requiring a four-shaft treadle loom that appeared in Europe around the 12th century.
- The pollen traces on shroud
was either due to its travels and public exhibitions, or the handle and storage over the centuries.
@@dontliethoughhh8147Anatomical issues:
- The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5.
- The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art.
- Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern.
- The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms.
- The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left.
- The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately.
- Multiple researchers, including Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, have concluded that the proportions are unrealistic and more consistent with Gothic artistic conventions than with those of an actual person.
Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era. Cloth is under control of the Catholic church, and kept in Italy.
This suggests that it wasn't a linen with a real human body underneath.
The Shroud is a physical, material TESTIMONY that Jesus came to pay the penalty for the SINS of the World. If we ignore it WE place ourselves in the position of ETERNAL JUDGEMENT!
What if the shroud ends up looking like the Antichrist? Revelation 13:15
Yes... bible is all about aliens. They are still here, bad and good. Old testament tells you. Moses burnt face,Jacobs ladder,ezeikiel,ennoch,the accention of jc ..up in clouds with angels at his side..
@@A-Maree What if the shroud is real, but that man is not Jesus (2 Thessalonians 2:9)?
A very talented forger. In 1355, when it suddenly popped up in Lirey near Paris, In 1390, the Bishop of Troyes, Pierre d'Arcis, who had jurisdiction over the church in Lirey, wrote a lengthy memorandum to Antipope Clement VII , declaring that the shroud was a forgery and that a previous Bishop of Troyes, Henri de Poitiers, had identified the artist who had made it.
Nevertheless, Clement VII allowed pilgims to have access to the schroud on the condition that a warning be posted next to the shroud inticating that it was not the true shroud but A COPY OF THE REAL ONE.
Have a look at the mess around the shroud at this time.
Any way. Now at a moment when christianity is declining, when the catholic church is in disarray (pedofilia, internal fights...) and the west waging a new crusade to expel muslims from Europe, ready to wage war on China, the shroud authenticity comes at the right time. Why does the pope attend G20 meetings? Cristianity is the cement of the West. No cristianity, -> no West. Time to rally 'round one another.
There are honnest scientists, there are dishonnest scientists. Further more they have to protect their carreer, their wage, thier brand, their country.... Have a look at what scientists proved right and was wrong and for instance killed millions? You can inquire. Did the scientistes pick up themselves the samples on the shroud?
No way to reproduce it -> god. No way to reproduce Stradivarii and Guranerii -> god. No way to reproduce polygonal walls -> god. No black spots due to smoke in prehistoric caves -> god....... No way to? -> god.
Now the body of jc emitted energy -> photons -> heat? The body was not cold? The body was warm? So jc was not dead. He never died. He never rescucitated. Thanks shroud for this information. NDE?
Now the church keeps silent. Ovbious. It does not know where the shroud comes from. From the beginning, it is a fake. If the church decides to state that the shroud is genuine and then is proved to ba a fake, all other relics will be in jeopardy. The church will never take position.
To protect christianity, overall catholicism, the West will use all ways and means. Birth -> death. Baptism ->: Remember these images. WWI: priest s giving absolution to soldiers before going to certain -> death. Perfect.
I personnaly doubt that scanners where invented during the first century of our era. THis is not the end of the story. To be continued.....
Those of us with even a tiny bit of intelligence know that the bishop's letter to the Pope was after a local artist, in a feeble attempt to make a name for himself, told him that it was he that painted the cloth. The bishop, being the gullible old fool that he was, took him at his word. Of course, they did not have the testing back then they do now, or they quickly would have discovered that there is not so much as a drop of paint, or any other manmade material on the image on the Shroud. The fact is that there are no pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. There are no chemical or physical methods known which can account for the totality of the image, nor can any combination of physical, chemical, biological or medical circumstances explain the image adequately. There currently is a $1,000,000 reward out there for anyone that can prove that the image on there was manmade. Why don't you go claim it if you think that you know more than everyone else on the planet does?
@@beverlyhurd8556 Forget the adjective "impossible". THe pyramids were built 4000 years ago. And we dont know how still.
@@jjt9201 We have a pretty good idea how the Great Pyramids were built by now, but there are several variations. As far as the image on the Shroud goes, we do not know 100% how the image got on there, but we _do_ know that it was not put on by the hand of man. That pretty much narrows it down just who put it on there.
It's pretty obvious
It's important apologetically to substantiate the bible since so many people don't believe Jesus is who he says he is and that Christianity is true.
HE WAS SON OF QUEEN HELENA AND HER BROTHER PHRAATES ARSHAKUNI KING ABGAR IZATES JOSEPH BAR GIORA MONO BAZUS AND HE WAS BORN WITH HAZEL NUT GINGER REDISH HAIR LIKE HIS GREAT GRANDMOTHER CLEOPATRA HE WAS THE GREATEST EGYPTIAN PHARAOH AND HIS GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS JULIUS CAESAR ON HIS MOTHERS SIDE AND WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 30,S HE HAD BLACK ARMENIAN BEARD AND GREW A PONY TAIL, HIS REAL NAME WAS GENERAL SIMON ARSHAKUNI BAR GIORA IZATES II KING MONO BAZUS WHO LED JEWISH REVOLT IN 66-70 A.D AND 40,000 JEWISH ARMY AGAINST GENERAL TITUS AND HIS FATHER VESPASIAN AND 70,000 ROMAN ARMY. CHRIST WAS LED BACK TO ROME AND PUT ON MILITARY TRIAL HIS SON ELEAZAR SIMON PETER REHEM NAMELY JUDAS ISCARIOT AND GENERAL JOHN AND 700 JEWISH PRISONERS. The Joseph of Arimathaias the new testament gospel writer who, the Gospels say, provided the Son of Man with a tomb in Rome and burial linin cloth, was Joseph Bara-matthias, that is to say, Joseph Son of Matthias, the Flavins General Saul apostle Paul Josephus of profane history. The Veronica of the Apocryphal Gospels, to whom legend has given the blood printed portrait of Christ the Jewish General the Son of Man, was the Berenike, who was almost empress of Rome, and, with her brother Herod Agrippa II, was in Rome to witness the total humiliation of Christ the king of the Jews and the triumph of his conqueror.
Not everyone is fascinated.
BE NOT GNOSTIC! HE WANTS TO TOUCH YOU, HIS BRIDE.
No comment..
So you don’t know what ‘gnostic’ means
Christ is present in the physical and corporeal dimensions. Thats what happened after His resurrection
if you recieve holy communion, you are actually eating the body of Christ
THEY tried to BURY IT back into a hole in the earth! THEY SERIOUSLY WANT IT TO GE BACK INTO THE ABYSS and never REAPPEAR AGAIN!
A church is not a building you go to on sunday. It is the body of christ. You can not consolidate or centralize 1 church because the spirit is universal. Jesus will be the one to gather the church. The church that jesus preached was a church that goes out, and helps those in need spirituality and physically. The church is you, yes the guy or girl that hasn't been to a building called a "church". Ask yourselves how did jesus show the deciples to pray? Not out in public and not in a stuffy building but, in the quiet with just you and God. Going to church doesn't save you, being the church does.
Crossmatch that with those Eucharistic Miracles and if they both match and we have it in the bag.
Shroud of Turin was a medieval Gothic art, used as a forgery. The proportions of both the face and body on the Shroud of Turin are inconsistent with those of a real human and are more indicative of late medieval Gothic art.
Surely, if the shroud is an image of Christ, it is a graven image, expressly forbidden by the second commandment. It is not even a figurative representation of Christ, it would be the genuine face of God.
If proven, it cannot be kept, it must be destroyed.
You sound Amish!
@@JoAnnFuir Not me!
Did you know the Shroud is connected to The Holy Eucharist?
No holyness about forgeries.
Remember, there were many fake relics during the medieval era.
@@tobias4411 we don’t even have the technology to confirm how the image was impressed on the cloth… Enough said!
@@gobrad The honest answer is, they don't know the exact method used. But the evidence I provided regarding the wrong anatomical proportions was confirmed by Joe Nickell and Gregory S. Paul, and indicates its not an authentic burial cloth from Jesus.
@@gobrad Anatomical inaccuracies:
- The head is too small compared to the body, with an abnormal body-to-head height ratio of 8.3, whereas normally proportioned adult males have a ratio of 7 to 7.5.
- The face has an unrealistically small forehead and a long lower face, which was common in Gothic art.
- Typically, the head from the top of the eyebrows to the top of the skull forms around 40% of the head, or about 80-100 mm. However, on the Shroud, this portion forms only 25% of the head, measuring no more than 60 mm. In medieval art, which was symbolic rather than strictly realistic, physical proportions were of less concern.
- The body is disproportionately elongated, with unnaturally long and thin legs, torso, and arms.
- The arms are of different lengths, with the right forearm noticeably longer than the left.
- The front and back images on the Shroud are different lengths (1.95 meters vs. 2.02 meters), which is implausible for a real body but could result from an artist creating the images separately.
@@tobias4411 For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible, no matter what the evidence, they prefer to remain in ignorance and nothing will change them because of they’re stance!..
Only recently with all the incredible technology have they finally concluded the Shroud Of Turin is authentic without doubt... It is now more than ever an absolute impossibility for any scientist to state otherwise… To put it simply… There is no technology in existence to prove its not authentic!...
Every time a person is in dialogue with an atheist he can simply skip all philosophical arguments and simply point to the Shroud.
Most of them will mock, and with a wave of the hand, say: “Carbon-14 dating showed it to be a medieval forgery a long time ago.” The problem with this argument is that the carbon-14 test that was cited is hardly infallible and carbon-14 is far from being the only proof that the Shroud presents. No technology exists to date that can print on fabric in that way. The image is not a stain. It is not painted. It is not burned in a conventional way. Instead, it is a scorched image on the cloth, the production technology of which has not yet been explained. Not only can the image not be reproduced using medieval technologies; it can not be reproduced with modern technology. Of course we will always get those who deny but the excuses are no longer acceptiable… For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, not explanation is possible… It’s simply a matter of denial on their part simply not wanting to know what is truly before them!...
In the latest scientific discovery of the Shroud only months ago, and the latest technology only available , not only proves the authenticity but also The Resurrection!... The body was in a floating position at the time of the imprint and the cloth clearly shows this… Why Only now throughout all the ages of technology can this be understood! Why is God making this revelation today? I think we know the answer!?
Ron Wyatt would have delighted in the next finding as the analyses on The Shroud produce the exact same results as the analysis of the Blood Samples he took from the Arc Of The Covenant… Blood Type: AB - Chromosome Count 22 (meaning no earthly father)
The results of the Blood samples found on the Arc Of The Covenant show the same results to those of the Shroud …
The scientist who reluctantly carried out these tests was Jewish, now converted… He did not want to be part in this new and latest investigation for obvious reasons but as he was top in his scientific field of study in this new technology, he was persuaded and he accepted the challenge and the results are miraculous…
Now the picture comes together in an even more profound discovery in what God is truly manifesting today and if we open our eyes and hearts we will clearly see the whole meaning of the Arc Of The Covenant in relation to Jesus and the Sacraments which He instituted through His Sufferings and Death…
The Blood Samples on the Arc Of The Covenant produce the exact same results as those on the Shroud…
Now comes the completion of this miraculous manifestation…
Recently at a Mass, a Priest was informed by one of his congregation that a recipient had discarded a Consecrated Host… In Brief: The Priest wrapped the Host in a Cloth and placed it in the ciborium… Days later he returned to find blood coming from the Host. On informing Cardinal Bergoglio (now Pope) They sent the Eucharist sample to a top American scientist in California who had only been awarded for his achievements in the analysis of blood and DNA…
The sample was given without informing the scientist of what it was. The Scientist, who happened to be Atheist,… Strange as it us, he was Jewish. These were his results of the Eucharist and Blood sample…
The Blood Type was AB but as he was showing and explaining his findings, shaking and alarmed, he asked what it was they had given him, for he was able to tell that the person this blood and tissue belonged to had died a most traumatic death yet to his amazement, the blood cells were living! He was able to tell by the sample that it was "Heart Tissue and without any sign of decay…”. But what totally disoriented him was that the blood type showed "No Father" “Only 22 Chromosomes!... “
What is God revealing to our generation and why!! Are we going to deny these divine revelations because of indifference and stupidity for the sake of a little reflection on our part!.... One day it will be too late! Luther and his like destroyed so much for countless souls by distorting many truths but it’s time to wake up and evaluate what is truly before us!!! Only the proud and arrogant will never accept truths and it’s divine origin! The prayer of Jesus to the Father… "Father, Let Them Be One, just as you are in me and I am in you" Jesus is the one and only truth and there can only be one Church under that One Truth or Jesus would be divided within Himself…
Did the Lord not speak frankly and without any further explanation that unless we eat His Flehs and drink His Blood we do not have life in us… When the crowed dispersed, did He call them back and say… Oh no, you have taken me wrong! No He did not, for as He said "I am The Living Bread That Came Down From Heaven: ( "Living Cells") This is The Holy Eucharist He Instituted and countless are the miracles present in the world for those who disbelieve in His Words!...
When we have all this, we will understand the true meaning on the Arc Of The Covenant and The place where God is now Present… The Holy Eucharist.
It is interesting but will never be able to prove it is the cloth that was supposedly laid over Jesus.
It’s 100% fake
Why can't it be recreated then?
Can you please provide something that disproves it?
The only people that call it a100% fake are the 101% morons.
Not fascinating at all.
Exodus 20:3-5
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image-ANY LIKENESS OF ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor [a]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me….”
God’s first three commandments condemn the shroud that Christians find themselves attached to.
When God says no, God means no.
Was not the Ark of the Covenant carved by man with Gods instructions and created with Cherubims? along with the Ark and other things as long as you worship the Father the Son Jesus Christ and HolySpirit the one True God and respect and love his creation That he alone created with us in mind Remember it was the Pharrises and the Sadduceess that crucified Christ with their stricked rules not knowing the true purpose of Gods plan Love one another as I have loved you God Bless
@@brucedon1951
What you Christians seem to forget is that none of the children of Israel worshipped or bowed down or served the images that was commanded by God on the Ark of the Covenant. The law specifically states that “you shall not make for yourself.” The Ark was not made for the children of Israel to worship at all. Instead, the Ark of the Covenant was created in order to allow the children of Israel’s chosen to carry the stone tablets of the Covenant and for the children of Israel to be aware of God’s presence continually during their trek and allowing them to communicate with God. It was never an object of worship, nor did God command them to do such things.
As for God’s son?
It was never an individual representation.
Instead, what is God’s opinion?
Whom does God claim to be His son?
Exodus 4:22
“Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says YHVH: “Israel is My son, My firstborn.”
God never mentions the Jesus character as His son, nor does God ever claim that He has an only begotten son.
Instead that idea came much later in Christendom, a progressive revelation that never materialized.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 What you said about worshipping false idols instead of God himself I understand that there were many false Gods idols back then that people worshipped and even today What we disagree on is that I believe in the New Testament and Jesus Christ one day in my life by myself Gods Holy Spirit entered into me and I was in the presents of God the Father and cried out Father my Father I love you and it was not by man but by God Jesus said no one comes to the Father but through me and one must be born of the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God believe what you will but only the truth will set one free through out the Old Testament the Prophets spoke of the coming of the Messiah which is Jesus Christ God Bless you and your family and everyone
@@brucedon1951
And what happened to those who turned their back on God and fell for the past false gods and fell for the latest trend?
For example:
1 Kings 19:18
“Yet I have left Me seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.”
This happens to be a reoccurring theme throughout the biblical narrative.
Imagine that, only seven thousand out of millions were spared by God due to the fact that they refused to accept the latest offer of a new “God,” a new way, separate from what is mentioned and commanded in TaNaKh.
Same rules have always applied.
Nothing has changed.
For the past two millennia the world has been exposed to a new way, a “New” fake Twistament that was never authorized by God, nor does God have any say in it, collecting unsuspicious and uneducated, misinformed individuals who would rather believe what the Jesus agenda offers them (false hope in a dead man) rather than trust in God’s true salvation plan that has existed since day one of God’s eternal covenant to the world.
God’s true salvation plan?
Genesis 4:7
“If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, BUT YOU SHOULD RULE OVER IT.”
Whoever taught you that God’s eternal commandments are no longer in existence you need to report them and fire them immediately!
Whoever taught you that God’s true salvation plan no longer applies you need to run as fast as you possibly can away from them and begin to truly repent and return back to God.
@@timothya.olmeda7299 Do you know Why God gave Moses the Ten Commandments to give to his people it was out of Love for his creation people that he created sin was destroying people lives by our sinfull fallen nature by not following the Ten Commandments people murdering each other crime lust ect it would be peace on earth if they did My will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven God Bless
Tells us to staying from worshiping idols. Pretty sure this isn't a real thing.
You're showing your ignorance. Big time. Where did you _ever_ get the idea that anyone was supposed to worship the Holy Shroud?? We do not worship a cloth. We worship the man that it once contained. Any way that you can understand that?
@@beverlyhurd8556 the Lord Jesus is hidden. If he intended for us to see His image, it would have been done. No doubt that this may help someone believe because some need to see to believe. In the last days the Lord is reaching the deepest most lost and polluted.
If we put a face of God in picture and look at it and pray with a face, we are worshiping an image. Our reward according to the NT is that we will behold Him face to face. This tells us that seeing Him as He really is, in the person, will be a reward to those who believe and love His appearing. While it is very possible that this is in fact real, it can become a great stumbling block to the church. Just the fact that there are two sides to this artifact, being real or not, is divisive and damages the believers and the church.
By 2027 plz denounce JP II as a “Saint” Disturbing behavior at Assisi 1986 (we wrongfully shunned Lefebvre in 1988) and approved Satan’s divine mercy devotion (Mt 6: 7; 24: 24)
Canonizations and private revelations not infallible, especially after Paul VI (‘66) butchered Traditional (2 Thes 2: 15) Mass and JP II made much easier
Schismatic, get to confession!🙏🌹
@@janeyount8412 RIP JP I mysteriously dying 33 days after elected pope. He wanted to discipline Cardinal Baggio freemason appointing bishops worldwide; Baggio last one to see him alive
Pray a daily rosary and attend TLM like Padre Pio when you can
because they are desperate for evidence to support their cult. Alas, the shroud is quite a fraud since 1. a jewish man in the first century would not have long flowing hair, and 2. the bible says there were two seperate cloths in the tomb.
Correct, its sad. Some even go further than that saying the other cloth was Jesus head cloth, Sudarium of Oviedo. But that was dated to 700 AD. But they don't care of facts. As you say, desperation😅.
@@tobias4411 I had thought there was another contestant for this nonsense. yep, at best it is first seen nearly 600 years after the supposed events.
"The Sudarium of Oviedo, or Shroud of Oviedo, is a bloodstained piece of cloth measuring c. 84 x 53 cm (33 x 21 inches) kept in the Cámara Santa of the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain.[1] The Sudarium (Latin for sweat cloth) is thought to be the cloth that was wrapped around the head of Jesus Christ after he died as described in John 20:6-7.
The cloth has been dated to around 700 AD by radiocarbon dating. However, at the same conference at which this information was presented, it was noted that in actuality the cloth has a definite history extending back to approximately 570 AD. The laboratory noted that later oil contamination could have resulted in the late dating" - wikipedia
100 percent not real.
What evidence you have to disprove
Cloth first record was in 1354 in medieval France Europe of course with no explanation or record of how or why it went from the middle east ancient jewish era to France 1354.
Geoffori de Charney was the original owner and he made no attempt to prove how he came into possession of the cloth theres nothing to prove it originally came from the middle east let alone the tomb of jesus
Cloth is under the control of the catholic church government in italy They have always used it to promote their religion over all others but dont tell that to a believing catholic or that statues dont bleed blood or that visions of virgin mary dont appear daily 😅
@@vanessac0382 just by looking at it
It's real
@user-ne8vl2uh8g not at all, and soon I will make a video and prove my assertion. It's hilarious really how many people are duped by fraudsters.
were the other men hung on crosses with jesus wrapped in cloth
Wrong. There were many who were crucified that even Jesus was crucified together with 2 others. How are you supposed to identify Jesus' shroud when we don't have Mary's DNA? Also, John 20:7 indicates that Jesus had a separate head wrap separate from the body wrap. so it is NOT one whole piece of cloth like the shroud of Turin! And true believers (not idolatrous Catholics) are not obsessed with powerless relics because we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The shroud of Turin is Christ’s or not is archeologically interesting not because of any supposed powers it might hold. Regardless, relics of saints and of God are not powerless. The Bible refutes you.
“And there was a woman who had had a discharge of blood for twelve years, and though she had spent all her living on physicians,[a] she could not be healed by anyone. 44 She came up behind him and touched the fringe of his garment, and immediately her discharge of blood ceased. 45 And Jesus said, “Who was it that touched me?” When all denied it, Peter[b] said, “Master, the crowds surround you and are pressing in on you!” 46 But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I perceive that power has gone out from me.” 47 And when the woman saw that she was not hidden, she came trembling, and falling down before him declared in the presence of all the people why she had touched him, and how she had been immediately healed. 48 And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace.” - Luke 8:43-48
Protestants are hardly the true believers as you have ten of thousands of denominations that doesn’t even have proper christology. The catholics are schismatics but at least they are better than you, Protestants
Um, hate to break this to you but no one has any samples of Mary's _or_ Jesus' DNA. And I seriously doubt if there's a sample of God's blood somewhere that we could use for testing as well. And the strips of cloth? The secured his body during rigor and were to be used to secure the Shroud to his body. Jesus most certainly was not wrapped up like King Tut. As far as the headcloth of Jesus, that today is in Spain where it is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. Why don't you go check it out? Plenty of info on it right here on UA-cam.
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Ok go back to your empty church. Catholics not being flaky and shaky, doesn't mean we're fanatics, it's just that your faith is poor.
First of all, you would have to believe in the Eucharist, to even understand that we have Jesus DNA at every Holy Mass in the Holy Communion.
Second, yes, there's two pieces(The Oviedo Sudarium) so just stop making excuses.
Lastly, not even us, Catholics are obligated to believe in these things, yet we choose to, even more while science proves everyday the Truth.