Deadpool And Wolverine Continues To Make The MCU Multiverse Even More Stupid And Confusing
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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Deadpool and Wolverine recently released in theatres, becoming one of the biggest movies of the year and a success for the MCU. It also has the misfortune of being another multiverse movie in the MCU, and as such there's even more rules and wolrdbuilding that just completely destroys both this film and the rest of the MCU
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Media
The Wolverine - 2013
X-Men: Days of Future Past - 2014
Logan - 2017
Ant-man and the Wasp - 2018
Avengers: Endgame - 2019
Loki - 2021
What If?... - 2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home - 2021
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - 2022
Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantomania - 2023
Deadpool and Wolverine - 2024
Music
Audiopanther - Waves
Curtis Cole - Futuristic Cliche
Droid Bishop - Days of the Running Man
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deadpool and wolverine was not trying to fix anything, it saw the bloated, rotting corpse of the multiverse in the MCU and (correctly) assumed it would be funny to take a crap on it
I hold no illusions about how much this film gave a shit about continuity
Still doesn't change the fact it's part of a mainline franchise and it's going to raise questions in other films
@@therealloomar I beleive that the writers considered the MCU a dead franchise when writing deadpool and wolverine, you are right, they definitely should have cared more about the mechanics of their film, I nearly made a beautiful wall painting in the style of Kurt Cobain when they portrayed matter and antimatter as blue and orange Gatorade
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(Haven't watched the vid yet btw) but is one of those issues the fact that Sling Rings are ridiculously OP and Wanda didn't need to kill America Chavez to go to the Illuminati universe?
@unnaturaldisaster9450 why would you use the mechanics in this movie to raise questions in other movies? It's deadpool. He literally talks crap about the concept and tells marvel to stop it IN the movie.
@@therealloomarnot really.
Its wild how they managed to overcomplicate such a simple concept as "other universes exist".
I know right
This is why you need a plan when doing a multiverse story . By having multiple writers who don't plan out the story with each other , the story becomes jumbled and contradicting . Multiverse stories can work but you either have to make it simple enough ( aka 2 or 3 timelines ) or plan it out .
The whole concept of a multiverse implies infinite timelines and universes. It’s not confusing when you remember that a multiverse means anything goes
I just don't know why they didn't just say "there's a multiverse. You can travel it with advanced science/magic". Instead they went for all this He Who Remains sacred timeline incursions crap
@@therealloomar I don't like the whole sacred timeline thing either , it even worse due to all the contradictions by the sludge Phase 4 spewed out
2:00 Slight correction here: Loki is a Frost Giant, not an Asgardian. His Asgardian appearance was an illusion cast by Odin, and which Loki chooses to maintain. That appearance is no more real as when he makes himself look like Captain America, Sif, or anyone else. It's still a blue skinned Jotun underneath, as shown when he uses Jotun weaponry in Thor 1, which drops his illusion, as well as a thermal imager showing him as being colder than his environment in Avengers Assemble. Boastful Loki, presumably, looks just like our Loki underneath his illusion; blue skin and red eyes. He should've been pruned when Odin gave him a dark skinned illusion, not when he was born. Croki and Silvie are still at-birth prunes, though
Yeah that's fair
Perhaps, though unlikely, Odin put an illusion spell on the Croki which is why he is a crocodile, and they took him away after being illusioned into a croc. Silly, but could have happened.
You forgot about the even earlier mention of the multiverse in Doctor strange one, dormomu, and the mirror dimention, or even the weird universe holes or whatever in Thor 2 and also the pocket dimension or whatever it is that Hella is thrown in in ragnork.
Yeah but those were always just small pieces of lore that didn't really get a lot of focus. Here they're the main driving point of these pieces of media and they all contradict each other, which is confusing when you're trying to build up to an avengers film which relies on all this stuff
@therealloomar I don't think dormomu is a small piece of lore. The entire film revolves around mages using magic power from another dimention with different laws of physics. And the idea of the bifrost being able to teleport someone between dimentions and the asgardians having conquered the 9 realms which each were different dimentions of their own is all lore about the multiverse that they retconned, ironically enough, with Loki, a character from asgard, who seems to he a fish out of water in regards to multiversal travel despite his background with the 9 realms and his secret knowledge of the portals between them that wasn't the bifrost.
@@stigmaoftheroseThe 9 realms are just 9 planets connected by the Bifrost.
Each timeline has its own Dark Dimension and Dormammu. The Dr Strange movie never implied that there were alternate Earths.
@@Pythagoras180it confirmed there were multiple earths, it explicitly confirmed there was a multiverse, ie multiple Earths
@@deadpooldan9862Multiverse does not necessarily mean multiple Earths.
Endgame couldn’t even be consistent with its own time travel logic. That movie tried to say going back in time isn’t changing your own timeline but going into another universe, yet at the end of the movie Captain America back in time yet ages up within that timeline and ends up in the same timeline it left
Now these executives are trying to base an entire saga on this inconsistent premise. These directors can’t even be trusted to keep up to date with each movie and show in the MCU. There’s no way for everything to flow into one another as new rules get created and old ones get forgotten. All this inconsistency just provides a huge issue for the next Avengers movies
I never gave the captain growing old a thought. But like you say this is NOT supposed to happen
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The Loki show, the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 with Nebula cannot even coexist given how they contradict how time travel is supposed to work given their own logic
Marvel hopes everyone overlooks this. Makes them seem conceited given how they made Hulk go on long rant how time does and does not work yet they can’t even keep things consistent
Hence why Kang was doomed to fail as a concept
I hate how in Deadpool And Wolverine, they not only contradict previous established lore about the multiverse, but they're also 100% wrong about it, too. The MCU is Earth-19999, and the Fox-Marvel movies had four separate timelines/universes in it, not one big continuous universe like Deadpool And Wolverine pretends is the case.
**Earth-199999:** The Marvel Cinematic Universe; the main MCU "sacred timeline." This has been established canonically by Marvel Studios ever since Iron Man in 2008.
**Earth-10005:** The original X-Men movies from 2000's X-Men to 2014's Days of Future Past (the movie that retconned the original trilogy into the First Class trilogy.)
**Earth-TRN414:** The X-Men First Class movies and Deadpool trilogy.
**Earth-17315:** The Logan universe. (Which, like Joker, was always established as its own standalone universe, since they offed Wolverine in it and most of the mutants on Earth were no longer alive.)
**Earth-616: ** ONLY the main Marvel Comics universe and nothing else, despite what crap the MCU might try to claim.
Yeah, so basically everything mentioned in Deadpool and Wolverine and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness was complete BS and they can't even get their own multiverse rules right, despite all the lore being explained on Wiki pages online.
There's also no way you can say "there was no multiverse" before Loki, because that's taking one giant steaming dump on all of the decades of Marvel comics, shows, movies, and other projects outside of the MCU and stating that none of it is canon or matters. I don't even think they realize how disrespectful that comes off. The people writing this seem to have no idea what the multiverse concept even is, as they keep incorrectly referring to the MCU as "Earth 616," which is only the main series comics, not the Marvel Studios movies (which doesn't even have the X-Men in it and has done so many wrong gender and race swaps.) For how badly the MCU has handled many characters (She-Hulk and Taskmaster, especially), trying to call it the "main timeline" is extremely disrespectful.
I HATE IDIOTS THAT CAN'T SEPARATE MCU FROM MARVEL. NOTHING IN MARVEL CAN BE APPLIED TO MCU UNLESS MCU DOES IT.
The comics and the MCU probably aren't even the same thing. Both are Earth-616 but I'd assume they're entirely seperate from one another. Maybe seperate multiverses or maybe the comics don't even exist at all in the MCU, which is most likely the case.
Bro, your making up canon for yourself at this point, the movies and comics exist on completely different mediums. MCU is 616, and the main universe in the comics is also 616, they just exist in a completely different medium to one another, that’s the canon they have established now, nothing you say will change that.
3:22
But the TVA and Kang are outside time.
This also covers the idea that they didn’t prune a timeline right away when a crocodile Loki was born.
(Also really quick, literally NOBODY knows about the TVA, so someone like the watcher also having a similar role and not in the actual TVA is possible)
It’s incredibly hard to wrap logic around a multiverse, even though these timelines are being pruned, they are also technically existing at the same time.
The best way to explain it is as such.
Even though the events of the MCU’s time is similar to ours, hours days and years etc. the TVA is seeing it all instantaneously. It has all started and ended all at the same time. Timelines aren’t growing slowly, they’re quick and instantaneous. Which even tho it covers these topics it represents a new problem that the kang of that universe is also born instantaneously in that universe. And HE IS! In ant man quantumania. Even though time lines are being erased.
I can re-explain in this way too, even though a universe came to be where ultron won, it was also wiped out by the TVA, respawned, wiped out, respawned and repeated infinitely.
4:20
If my explanation is correct, dreams being a look into another universe is possible.
Doctor strange DOES ruin a majority of what’s been introduced, especially with LOKI season 2. The only way that any multiverse meetup stuff could be taking place is if the main flow of the time line coincides with the moment that Loki becomes god of time and protects all time lines. However in the show they talk about protecting the timelines specifically from multiversal threats like Kang.
5:30
My best guess is that her powers might prevent her from causing an incursion. We will probably find out more information on incursions and how they work in the next doctor strange movie.
6:15
Not an alternate universe gamora. 2014 gamora.
Captain America already lived through the timeline up until the point where he went back in time and spent the rest of his life. And as hulk explained that wouldn’t effect the past once he returned to current time when he left.
7:00
I’d have to assume he could put her there since the time line she came from already died, and the widow she replaced was a variant which wasn’t supposed to happen in the first place.
7:21
This goes back to my previous point that everything is happening an infinite amount of times and the movies we’ve been watching are under Loki’s watch this time and just coincidentally played out the way they did before all the way up to end game.
7:58 dang I got called out.
Again. Because things are re- happening an infinite amount of times since time is eventually a loop, the universe we’ve been watching since iron man has been happening underneath the watch of the Loki god of stories, who’s counterpart will get captured by the original in endgame and infinite number of times and become god of stories again and continue to allow multiversal engagements to occur
The fact that they bring back Janet from the quantum realm quietly proves this point.
9:36
Yeah I agree it’s kinda stupid.
I wouldn’t call it shitty tho :(
Everything covering Deadpool and Wolverine I got nothing for ya hahaha
Agree or disagree, I’m not an expert. This is all guess work. I’m not trying to say anyone is necessarily wrong, or right. The fact that anything needs explanation is a problem on its own
The Wolverine who passed on this film should be the one from Days of Future past/X-Men Apocalypse, not the one from Logan
LOGAN IS SETTLED ON ITS OWN EARTH IN ITS OWN EARTH(they even reference a lot of the OG Trilogy events, like the Liberty Statue fight or the Striker Dam drowning, which after Days of Future Past they were suppousedly erased) & happens on 2029, how can then he be a rotten skeleton & Laura being an adult 5 YEARS before he dies & she is a kid?
Not mentioning according to Logan, the X-Men died in 2019, but in Deadpool & Wolverine we saw the X-men perfectly fine, even Colossus, Yukio & Negasonic appear with no problem & Cable exists in the future, & in Days of Future Past we saw the mansion & all the X-MEN perfectly fine when that movie's ending happens in 2023
It would also match the suit Logan has, the days of future past timeline has generally brighter suits compared to the Logan timeline
Pruning is kinda over powered tool. It doesn't make sense that one person can destroy a whole universe with a small device; so no one in that universe could have sensed or stopped it?!
Its more of teleporting so it is a bit less noticable and not that over powered
The Sling Rings are another mechanic they keep fucking up in every MCU movie they appear.
Not only the writers remembered that the Sling Rings can be use to travel to through the Multiverse in this movie. But now they also can be use to travel to an exact time period to a universe while in the Void, a place at the End of Time.
The magic of Doctor Strange is one of the biggest disappointments to come to the MCU
Not because it's not visually stunning or enjoyable to watch, but because they'll introduce random powers that are not showing again or bring out a seemingly common power that would have been useful in an earlier film
They could do that because Cassandra's sling ring has a time stone and a reality stone on it. Sling rings are not normally able to travel across the multiverse or through time.
@@theepicking6544 You think that would work but then you remember that cringe scene in Loki where the guy has the Infinity Stones in his drawers. And he saids that the Stones only work in their own universes. So basically they should’t work in the Void at all.
I know this doesn’t make sense but this what they wrote.
2:25 that was always the most confusing thing about Loki
He Who Remains should have been Thanos snapping their baby selves out of existence asap
Just making it up as they go along.
That's the jist of it yeah
I think this would all be solved if multiverse of madness and no way home didn’t exist,
Firstly it is weird that only some characters look different while some look the same,
Secondly with only loki and deadpool it keeps the multiverse limited to the tva stuff which is much more managable,
With infinite universes the writers must also have limitless creativity and skill or else it is horrible.
What if? Should be mostly seperate tbh, like x men 97
I think the TVA and sacred timeline stuff is some of the worst Worldbuilding and rule making for a multiverse I've ever seen
So far What If?... Has been confirmed as canon as far as I'm aware
1) there are contradictory elements pertaining to where Logan takes place. Some involved in the movie have said it does take place in the fox men movies, others have said it takes place in its own universe. This is saying it takes place in the fox universe. It's just a retcon.
2) it's mentioned by paradox that a universe will die off 1,000 years after the anchor being dies. So Logan died in 2029, the universe will die in 3029.
3) it's established that an anchor being is someone of significant importance to that universe. So Logan being such an influential being even to the point of reshaping the universe during the events of days of future past makes him an anchor being.
4) the wolverine we follow isn't established as being an anchor being of his own universe. It's clear anchor beings hold a special value to the tva, and the fact this wolverine was infamous shows he can't possibly be an anchor being.
I thought what if was set after Loki meaning Kang hadn’t been controlling and proactively pruning other universes
Though true on most parts, especially from the final scene of season 2 of What if, it made it seem like the HIGHER POWER, is kinda Loki himself, which could imply though the watcher sees all of time, technically making him ageless, because time cant exist where there is no time, he could also technically be younger then Loki and the TVA, which is just how I saw it as, it would make a lot of sense to why he isnt allowed to do something, as Loki might be worried some over powered being that can observe universes like that might do more harm then good, because he has seen it with kang.
Also then there is the Dream parts, and Dr strange having the multiverse before the multiverse. Remember they point out repeatedly that the rest of marvel universe is dealing with normal time, while the TVA is outside of time, which means they both happen before all and after all, which means despite Loki having memories Dr strange came into existence, it doesnt matter because it technically happens before, which would then allow for dreams, because for Dr strange, it has always been like that, for all of time. Time is weird but that does explain 2 things that seems weird at first but makes sense, but again the fact that Loki the show takes place out of time, does allow all of marvel to still dream, because technically Loki happened forever ago, and never, and Kang has technically never happened and yet also happened, TIME TRAVEL. This also explains Quantum Realm stuff, because again Loki has already happened for all of the MCU, which allows the time travel for endgame, which explains why Kang can exist while not being dead yet, because again he has an eternity ago already died, and Loki has already taken over as He Who remains.
I think this is best shown by although it takes seconds for Loki to grab all the universes, each universe has long strain, and we can see that they go deeper then where it started, creating the roots of the tree, this show how despite only happening, NOW for us and Loki, this branches and roots will for those inside the multiverse have always existed before they are even born, It is how strange is able to do magic, before the multiverse was even born, The ancient one even says that their magic comes from the multiverse, which means that eventually Kang was doomed to die, and the TVA was doomed to fail eventually, becaus again time is weird when you are not on the time line.
This last one though i dont think is likely at all, is just a fun though experiment, from reading another comment on this video. Maybe Odin decided to make Loki look like an Crocodile, and sense Loki's lie a lot, both the black and alligator Loki are just lying about when they actually got taken and both were just able to achieve nothing cause they were taken away immediately after being illusioned , but Silvie makes no sense.
I don't want a DvsW with MSheU rules
Nobody gives a shit about this timeline/multiverse crap
Marvel should reset everything and start from zero
Because this worldbuilding is straight up TRASH
You are automatically wrong by saying MSheU, it’s MCU
What is MSheU?
MSheU is crap. Good job
@@Sultanchicken it's when she hulk and all these female marvels characters were everywhere and it was to much on the side of toxic girl power
@@Sakurai892 damn, I didn't understand the joke (english is not my native language)
As for the whole "Anchor Being" meta-nonsense, they still could have kept the whole meta-narrative by just explaining that every universe needs a main hero character that was saves the universe and its timeline at some point, such as Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr) being the "Anchor Being" main character hero of the MCU (which would give them an in-universe excuse why the MCU is so bad now; no more RDJ, even though we all know that's not the case.) And Wolverine being the main character hero of one of the Fox-Marvel universes, even though there are several Fox-Marvel universes.
There also could, and should, even be several Anchor Beings for different universes, since a movie franchise can change who its big name lead star actor is. Like the MCU could've had Iron Man as its main Anchor Being, but then the role changes to Tom Holland's Spider-Man going forward, in-universe, setting him up as the new MCU Anchor Being (and not Captain Marvel, thank god.) And this would've helped the Fox-Marvel universe by saying Wolverine was the main Anchor Being of the original trilogy (even though First Class didn't really have one, although you could argue maybe it's Professor X or Magneto), but Deadpool going forward will be the new Anchor Being of his universe, instead of Wolverine, Prof. X, or whoever. This gives them an opening to possibly let the Deadpool franchise continue, without needing to "merge" him into the MCU, if they don't want to, since that's basically what the whole movie was about.
You wouldn't have even needed to change 99% of Deadpool and Wolverine for this to happen. Just have the fat black woman at the end explain that Paradox lied. That a universe can have more than one Anchor Beings just like a movie franchise can have more than one main star as time goes on (like Tom Holland taking over for RDJ, or James McAvoy taking over for Hugh Jackman.) All you needed to do was just say Paradox made all that BS up. This lets them have their cake and eat it too: Deadpool and Wolverine could still happen, without contradicting several decades of Marvel movie lore in the process.
You're good man. MCU is worse than ever. Who is the 616 anchor? Wait Deadpool isn't in the MCU and neither is Wolverine. Waste
I can’t wait for Colin to debunk this because he can’t accept people’s opinion.
am a wondering woman now !
Lmao im so glad i stopped watching marvel stuff years ago. I can't imagine being so assmad about such a fun movie because its fantasy scifi bullshit doesnt match up with the other fantasy scifi bullshit. Its deadpool, where he talks shit about the entire franchise, multiverse concept, the previous and current owners, like... why would you take this movie seriously?
Just to double check, I'm in the wrong for expecting a film that cost hundreds of millions of dollars in a franchise that has cost billions of dollars to have some effort put into it?
Lmao telling me to leave the multi billion dollar company alone
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Bro your really stretching with that last line, he never mentioned something like that. Also, it’s a Deadpool movie, nothing applies with him, I don’t know why it’s hard to understand that a guy who breaks the 4th wall can also break continuity.