.45cal Vs 9mm Ballistic Test | Ammo Comparison | Tactical Rifleman
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In this video we are comparing Barnes TAC-XPD 9mm against Corbon Pow’RBall .45acp. I’m shooting them into VYSE professional grade ballistic gelatin blocks from Custom Collagen from 10 meters away. We opted to use these two types of ammo in an effort for a blind comparison between different size calibers and without using a pistol vs. rifle caliber. Members of Tactical Rifleman paid for the ammo and firearms in this video and were not paid by any manufactures of any of the products used.
Both of these bullets are hollow point in order to show a closer comparison of bullets in different calibers. The 9mm TAC-XPD is 115 grain and has 1125fps velocity while the .45 acp Pow’RBall 50 grains heavier at 165 grains and has 1225 fps velocity. The 9mm is shot with a Sig Sauer P320 RX and the .45acp is shot with Caspian 1911.
I will say that I was surprised with the results between the two and I thought there would be a closer outcome with shooting them into the gelatin. Between the two, one is 50 grains heavier, flies 100fps faster and is about .10 in caliber size larger of a bullet. Once the 9mm enters, it opens up to about .75” penetrates through the first block into the second. This was very consistent with all three rounds fired. The .45acp due to the polymer ball helps open up the hollow point to over 1” in size and stops just before going through the first block. The polymer is also designed to improve aerodynamics to the bullet while in flight .vs a standard hollow point round and enhances feeding in semi auto pistols.
Tactical Rifleman, nor I, is telling or suggesting what ammo to use for self defense just merely showing a comparison of two different types. Please do your own research and understand that shot placement will always out perform type, size and number of rounds used.
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Gents, Pete swears by his Powrball, and I swear by my TAC XP. So, it only made sense to do a video pitting them head to head. The Powrball does feed better and, damn, the results were impressive. I hope you enjoy the video. Strength & Honor, TR.
Yes, really enjoyed this. What is the purpose of a polymer ball inside a bullet?
What impressed me was how the polymer tip helps the flat hollowpoint feed better. I had a suppressed 9mm Beretta, in Iraq, that wouldn't fee hollow points. I got stuck running just ball through it. Now, my Barnes Tac-XP does function well in all my Glocks. However, if you have a pistol that doesn't like hollow points, I think Pete's Powrball may be the way to go. TR.
180 Second Ideas did you watch the video? They explained, in detail, what the polymer tip was for
It is supposed to aid in feeding the round and in certain barrier penetrations like clothing or drywall which are well known to "clog" hollowpoints and prevent them from expanding. It is an older type of tech that was first espoused by the late Jim Cirillo for feeding in 1911's (which were notoriously finicky with HPs in the 1970's)
Guard Dog makes some EFMJ ammo as well, there is an important lesson that not all hyperammunition is going to function in all firearms. It's important to take your gun to the range to make sure you and the gun like the ammo you're putting through it.
My personal recommendation for breaking in your carry gun at the range is the Texas CHL shooting test: 20 shots at 5 yards, 20 shots at 10 yards, 10 shots at 15 yards. You should put 500 rounds down the pipe with no malfunction before calling it suitable for carry.
9mm is a smaller, faster round. You can carry more of it, it’s lighter, and easier to train with. It’s usually cheaper too. That is why I carry a .45.
Lmao 😂🤣 👍
Made me lol
Thanks for the chuckle!
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PERFECT! LOL That's how I think most of these things go... with humans. "but this cell phone PRINTS MONEY!"... "I don't care... I want the iPhone... the white one" LOL.
I am not emotionally attached to any round but I am in love with my 1911, she just happens to be a 45
I own 4 now... they are addictive in nature and enjoyable in any caliber.
Just got my first 1911. Extremely happy with my purchase.
I'm not emotionally attracted to all young women. She just turns out to be 11.
Edit: OMG guys. Thanks for all the likes. 😁
@Just Cause same
@@GotrekGurninsson is there a specific manufacturer you'd recommend? I'm buying my first gun and I've been looking at 1911s.
The 45 ACP not penetrating through means that bystanders have less of a chance of being hit and that the target absorbs all that energy. These factors are two of the reasons I love the round.
The round design with it's heavier bullets and lower velocity simply transfers more energy on impact, it's that initial smack (load transfer)that has me carrying 45 over the 9.
Sounds like fudd boomer logic
Copium
Damn, never thought of that. Good point
@D B you say that Till you got someone coming at you trying to take your life and all your 9mm is doing is poking holes and not putting them down
...and the debate rages on. I'll continue to keep a hand grenade in my sport coat pocket until some sort of amnesty program is developed...
"Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade! ... And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy." ... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin.........."
Always have two. Two is one, one is none!
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Smokin' Man 😂 🤣
Eu sou brasileiro
*SPEED DATING*
Me: 9mm or 45 ACP?
Her: What?
Me: NEXT!
I remember an episode from The Unit:
Charles Gray "Betty Blue":
"You carry a .45 instead of a 9mm?".
Bridgete Sullivan "Red Cap":
"Which would you rather get shot with?"
Augusto Santamaria oh goodness
Ian Fortuna “must go faster must go faster”
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wow I'm going to take this dating advice to heart! :D
.45 ACP. One of the few times being slow, fat, and heavy may be preferred to being light, speedy and slim. 😂
Being fat and heavy, I can easily conceal a .45ACP handgun with a 13-rd double-stack magazine. Win/Win...
@@kevincrosby1760 we're not fat. We are well fed.
@@kevincrosby1760 I mean would you rather get hit by that 45 or 9mm? if you didn’t have a choice but to get shot by one
another thing that is better when its slow fat and heavy are eggplants
This is my position....if I’m a bad guy I don’t wanna be hit by ANY of them.
What if you were a [good guy] would that change things?
mr nippy nelson yes I would want to destroy the bad guy
LOL FACTS
But if I had to be hit with one pleaseeee let it be 9mm 😭
@@cjdorsett2123 Just as long as that "hit" is somewhere near me 😂😂😂
It doesn't matter who has the .45 or 9mm ,is whoever can shoot and hit the target first!!
giovanni panganiban lol frfr
aaannnndd on the right spot...😎👍
Just make sure I dont pull first , I dont care how good of a shooter anyone is..
Agreed all these guys act like the caliber they are not representing is useless, both will kill you.
@@jasondickens367 Unless they pull first :)
Those .45s were tearing that gel up. Just so happens to be my personal favorite as well.
I'm Japanese High school student
I love 45ACP and Model1911
Can’t beat a classic
if you ever visit the US come rent one at a range :)
I like the fact you used different blocks of gel. Everyone seems to use the same block for differant rounds. Very well done
After seeing so many videos comparing 9mm to .45 I have to say THANK YOU!!! While everyone else seems to want to compare the lightest/high velocity 9mm rounds to the heaviest/slowest .45, you are the only one who puts them on level ground. Thank You.
He compared two completely different types of ammo in two different calibers. I'm not sure why that makes you happy. If your going to compare calibers, I would hope one ould use the same manufacturer, and same style.
@@jchickory8810 who cares, buy both calibers and call it a day. If you can’t afford both then get the middle road caliber 40s&w.
@@Airplanetyson 40 is even more expensive lol. At least where I'm at.
@@mrarivv0007 it’s not more expensive than buying both 9mm and 45acp at the same time. Please read my comment again lol.
most militaries have realized that a lighter, faster round is preferable. the goal is to get the round to dump all it's kinetic energy into it's target, while everyone thinks the heavier .45 does this better, what they don't realize is when calculating velocity, the speed of the projectile accounts for a lot more of the energy because it is squared. if you have a 62 grain projectile traveling at 3200 FPS (M855 rounds) the result is devastating, the heavy back end of the bullet makes the round go ass over end, flip around and split apart, nearly ALL that energy from the 3200 FPS goes into your target
That .45 will knock the meat off your taco 🌮
I used both in Combat I prefer the 45
mmmmmm tacos.
Yes indeed 45 acp is. NO joke
General Patton carried a 45, nuff said!!!
The 9mm is a faster round and will penetrate hard barrier better! 9mm for the win!
I like how some people argue that advancements in hollow point ammo has made 9mm just as effective as .45...... Lol as if .45 ammo hasn't made the same advancements during that time.
Agreed
Exactly
It's not that it hasn't improved, just not as much as the 9mm has since it was first released. There was less that could be improved on a .45 than there was/is on a 9. Due to modern bullets, you can basically make the 9 do just as much as the .45 so there's less point in having to put up with the lowered capacity of the .45 and the larger recoil leading to slower follow up shots. But hey, if you can shoot the 45 better than the 9 then go for it. Accuracy, speed, and efficiency is what really matters and most of that depends on the shooter, not the weapon.
@@skyofstorms "Due to modern bullets, you can basically make the 9 do just as much as the .45"
You can't get a 9mm to expand to be as large as a 45 can expand to. 45 starts off at a larger diameter and will, when both have good hollow points, expand to a larger diameter.
@@LawlessNate Expansion isn't everything. Since 9mm enters at a faster rate it has better penetration of clothing and approaches the elasticity threshold of flesh closer than the .45 although both are inadequate when compared to a rifle round. What I'm stating is that the effect in all duty size pistol rounds is negligible at best and I'd rather take faster follow up shots with more capacity and less mags over a larger expansion especially when concealed. I'm confidant in my ability to hit a target but I'd rather have more chances of missing especially while under stress in a dynamic environment.
Step 1 to being tectical
Never call plastic "plastic". Instead call it "polymer"
ha i mean I'm a 1911/2011 .45 type but there is a huge difference in types of plastic and polymer is used in vehicles in places you wouldn't want to know about if you thought it was "just plastic"
@Loyal Royalty Polymer is a form of plastic. It's not 2 different things if it's another version of that exact thing. The fool here is you.
"all life forms are made up of some combination of naturally occurring polymers".
That is why Glock feels like kin? 🤷♂️
It's Tupperware first and foremost.
One of those guys.......
Both are effective it just depends on your preference. I have always trusted 9mm with my life but the results of the .45 in this video were definitely impressive
What happens if a guy on meth tries to stab you?
You've seen those police videos where they had to empty out their entire clip because the guy was shot and kept coming?
Never heard of that happened with .45
I think that bullet is too fast and too light.
Shot placement. Thats what happens. The caliber you use is secondary to your training.@@alexmedvec4571
@@alexmedvec4571 It has happened with 45 ACP. A lot of ineffective shots with 9mm are standard pressure old school hollow points. Today's bullet technology along with higher pressures is a game changer.
Right now they have one thing in common. You can’t get ammo for either one.
9mm is way more common here at the west coast where I'm at. Just got a 1911 in 9mm. I actually like it! Didn't think I would.
I've had no issues getting 9mm or 45acp.🇺🇸🇺🇸
I've been getting 9mm, 5.56 and 45acp hollows with no problem..prices are a little higher but I gotta keep shooting
We don't have that problem in Europe, nobody cares about ammo.
@@newhuskytwenty we don't give a f about Europe...you guys aren't allowed guns
My experience is that .45 ACP recoil is harder to control. It makes follow-up shots slower. But it makes a big wound, and tends to break body-hardware it collides with.
My experience is that 9mm recoil is easier to control. Follow-up shots are faster. But you don't always get the effect from them...and sometimes you get over-penetration.
It's a tool, not a sports team. Choose your vice. Choose your benefit. They both have them. but different ones.
On your average handgun yes absolutely 45 is much more difficult to control which is why my personal carry is still a 9mm Walther PPQ, that being said I chose to have the best of both worlds. You put that same 45 on a Kriss Vector SBR platform with it's 5.5" barrel that is specifically designed to mitigate recoil away from the shooters shoulder and nearly eliminate muzzle rise, pair that with a motion activated red dot and now you have a deadly combination of ridiculous close quarters accuracy and maneuverability with 30 rounds of pure unadulterated stopping power and minimal over penetration concerns, this is why that is my go to "home defense" weapon. I own shotguns, AR's and long rifles in various chamberings and wouldn't hesitate to fall back on that Kriss 45acp.
@@qbanlink25 I have thick wrists. I do fine with a plain-Jane GI 1911 for situations where I expect to shoot at a 140-200 lb animal at distances less than 100 feet. If I had a Tommy, I would use it. But if I wanted to shoot a lot of bullets quickly and accurately, like at a competition, or for a longer distance, I might use a 9mm. For animal impacts at that size range I find that 230 grains breaks bones "Body Hardware". And broken bones instantly transform offending activity in the relevant limb into incoherent twitching. Bleedout works in more than the area hit...but takes time.
@@gordonjohnson405 as long as i can hit the dude in the general area i was aiming with the .45 im good XD. i practice faster placed shots with my 1911 at 25-20 feet as long as i hit the general chest area when im aiming for the chest i consider that good XD of course i still want it to be as close to the center as possible. Its not a shooting comp tho
@@MyFunnyVids888 Personally I am more accurate in aimed fire with my 1911. But that is due to single-action rather than .45, I suspect. Nevertheless, if the number of bullets tossed is the criteria of success, then the 9mm wins. But I've never believed in just tossing bullets. With that said, not everyone can take steady deliberate aim under fire. And no one who can do it can do it every time without being shot. Put it down to nerves and physics.
A few years ago a study was released that covered emergency room reported GSW's. It covered one shot stops for handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Also included were hit locations. Torso one shot stops, headshots, etc.... The most common pistol rounds, 9mm, .40 SW and .45 ALL averaged 50% in one shot stop. Going from memory it was 9mm-49%, .45-50%, and .40SW-51%. Take away, with modern self defense loads, carry what you can put rounds on target with.
Of all of the aforementioned calibers the only one that likes modern technology would be the 45 cuz I know for a fact that if you're testing 040 caliber against a 45 plus p the 40 calibers going to lose Chinese statistics that you quoted must have been standard pressure 45 230 dragon Ball ammo so get the f*** out of here with that b*******because I know for a fact that a 45 super 450 s&c or any 45 plus p is far more effective than any.40 caliber so you can save that b*******
And by the way are you going to try to tell me that a 40 caliber is going to be more effective than that 45 that was demonstrated here I think not because you're going to have a hard time finding the 40 caliber round doing 1150 ft a second
That study you quoted is about 70 f****** years old
No but really it's at least 40 close to 50 years old
@@gregalcorn-pu5ye No, it's not. It was collected from data over 20 years or so. But the .40SW wasn't around 40-50 years ago. So no, the study isn't 50 years old.
Look at that .45 Sledgehammer make that jelly roll!
I think i wanna go eat a jelly roll rn
@@roguestarr4382 can I
@@georgetown2180 🤷
Actually I had a strawberry caked rolled with lemon cream cheese filling the other day. They called it strawberry lemonade. It was tasty. Very sweet. Induced a feeling of slight drunkness too. Sugar alcohols maybe.
@@roguestarr4382 oh. That sounds cool. I might try that
I am a 9mm fan, but gun I left for my wife for home/personal protection was a Colt Gold Cup with 180 grain Win Silver Tips when I would go out of town. Late one night, my wife had gotten up in the wee hours, and came to the living room to comfort her aching legs. As she rested on our for a few minutes, our large' Momma' Tabby Cat bristled up and moved toward the kitchen to the sound of something jiggling the back door to our sun room. My wife picked up the Gold Colt she had carried in with her, and hand jacked a round in the chamber. The noise stopped. The cat sat down quietly and starred but never left her spot, neither did my wife leave her spot the rest of the night. She said she was apprehensive but not afraid. Two doors, a brave cat, and the comfortable pressure of the grip safety assured her she'd be just fine.
you give your wife a real man killing machine. I Can see how much you love her :)
The sound of a cartrige being chambered sends a clear message in any language.
@@lylesmith5079 should already be chambered. If you’re going to kill someone you better mean it and not try to call their “bluff”
Here in the Commiefornia, we might as well carry a .40 or .45 because high capacity is illegal >:(
Not anymore!!!! LOL
Hunting Adventures with Jeremy Bailey and friends Really?
A judge ruled it was unconstitutional to ban high capacity magazines in California, so you don't have to worry with that bs anymore.
@Tyler Collins I read that a federal judge said no to the ban on high capacity magazines at the beginning of April. The judge was using the example of a mother, I believe with kids, had to use "extra" bullets to defend herself when somebody broke into her home.
@Tyler Collins multiple targets.
"I'm not saying which is better, you'll have to decide for yourself what you prefer to carry."
I love when I find a gun channel that talks sense.
I’m a .45 guy. My go to is my FNX.45. 15+1 capacity. Back in the 1920s the military did extensive testing on effectiveness of different calibers. Shot cadavers and over 100 goats and cattle. .45 was hands down winner. I have 9mm, like them. But in a shtf situation, it’s my .45 no question
.45 is king, but modern 9mm is sufficient. This is the simple truth. Not sure why people get emotionally attached to a specific round.
If it's for military applications. I rather have the .45 acp. The military is banned from using hollowpoints.
My edc for work travel is a 44 black powder for reciprocity reasons. Not as fast moving as a conventional round. But as my father always said "you dont neutralize a large caliber threat with small caliber solution" and it will dam near stop whatever it hits
GOD719 also that claim in not true. I habe done alot of contractor work on bases over the last 5 years and that included electrical work in the armorys. Every one of the air force base police. And several naval installations used standard 45 acp hollows in their side arms.
Brandon A , well then they are violating several laws and violating regulations !
I can't speak for other services, but USAF Security Forces can and do carry hollow points on base. Apparently the military is not allowed to use hollow point ammunition against our enemies in a conflict, but if the need arises to fire on US military personnel, that's fair game. I don't get it either, but it's been the case at every CONUS AF base I've ever been to. However, they don't carry .45 in their issued M9 Berettas. I'm not arguing with you on what you saw, just highlighting that the only .45s in rotation by our Security Forces are those used for the pistol teams.
Ill say this again, j don’t care what ammo you carry, just carry the one you’ve researched and are comfortable carrying, personally I carry Federal HST 9mm, but that’s because I’ve done my own test on ballistic gel and have seen the 9mm round reliably stop threats before, don’t get mad at someone because they like something different than you.
I've only stopped targets with 556, but I prefer 9mm for mine.
I've also seen someone walk away from a 9mm hit to the chest and live....45 would've been just a little different
I chose the HST for both my 9mm and my 45. It's a great round from all the research I did trying pick the best I could find.
Back in the 80's and 90's the federal Hydro shock rounds was my go to.
@@MIKEx2112 if you think nobody in the history of ever has never survived a 45 you're a boomer.
@@darrengarcia4937 Its obvious you dont understand my reply...not surprised,most liberals are fucktards
My 2 guns are a .45 and a 9MM. So do I win?
Instructions unclear. Tried to muzzle-load my .45 with range-powder, and used 9mm bullet.
Ball Is Life WE BOTH WIN!!!NOW THE ? IS....DO YOU HAVE 250,000 ROUNDS?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not enough
Yes
Only 2?
Why didn't you test powerball in both or Barnes in both? That would have been a more conclusive test.
same platform same ammo would have been best
Absolutely agree, and also to add to that, he shot the 45 more and only shot the 9mm once and then says that the cavity is greater with the 45 and that even the gel was breaking up, that's a little unfair just saying...
Came here to say the same thing. Bias played a little bit into his testing. Giving his .45 a bit of an advantage.
Come on guys. Common sense. A 45acp vs 9mm round for round? 45 wins. It's double the size and not a awole lot slower. A nine generally holds more but if u got a bigger more powerful round, you aren't gonna need to shoot em as much. Now if u cant handle the power of a 45 the go 9mm...it works ok and i own a couple. Mainly because of cost and the are nice for shooting snakes and bad guys. But 45acp or 357magnum is better for killing
Shoot someone with bird shot and see what happens. A local shot at his brother through the front door aiming to scare him instead it killed him..through the door. The caliber argument will never end. Even if a round existed that was perfect in every way people would still disagree!
I'm about a minute into this video. I have a couple concerns. If we're testing the true difference between a 9mm and 45... why would you use two different types of ammunition? Why would you not use the same design and brand of round? Seems like using a hallow point 9mm and a 45 w/ polymer ball that now has a lower grain projectile would greatly influence the cavitation and impact of a standard 45 hallow point... Additionally, why not fire from the same brand of handgun? These are arguably two very important factors that would need to be consistent in a true test...
Today I am going to test the difference between a V4 and a V6. We put a V4 1991 Chevy S10 against the 2007 Ford Mustang V6. This will surely show up the difference.
Because Fudd logic that's why
They don't make a v4
@@brandonparker158 I have a 1991 Chevy S10 and I can assure you it was a 4 cylinder.
@@SkydivingSquid Not a V, though. You have an inline 4 cylinder.
I prefer 10mm. Incase there's a bear behind a tree, that's behind the bad guy, that's behind a car.
I prefer the 460 Smith and Wesson magnum.
Sorry better than the 10mm.....
See where I'm going with this.
@@cchcch-jw9dw calm down
That’s a good one no lie the 9 mm will go far as well 45 won’t but that impact dead on must be a ugly site
@@cchcch-jw9dw deagle 50 ae
10mm is the best mm
A shot on target is a shot on target. Missing with a 9 hurts as much as a miss with a 45
but with 9mm you have double the clip size
@@ANSELAbitsxb Magazine size yea, bigger bullet? Hell yea.
@@FuZe. I'm a bad shot so its 9mm for me
Not when you have 17 rounds vs 7.
That’s why I’ve never cared too much about the more capacity you get from a 9mm. But more so which gun I feel better shooting. If I miss my first three shots, chances are it’s too late anyway.
The .45 not only kills the body. It embalms it as well
Hahahahahaha
Nah. That title should go to the 10mm.
@@zeussx212010mm punches through and kills another
Nice test. Would not want to be shot by either. Either one is effective at neutralizing a threat.
Judging by the video. The bigger, slower round is going to do more (stopping) the threat
Halfdollar 86 hmm the 45 will fuck u up faster then the 9mm
BLD Lightpainting Christ! Calm down! Never heard of cursing before? Even police and military personnel have dirtier mouths than a comment on UA-cam!
Pretty much sums it up!
@@rlclark50 exactly. And that's a good thing for Americans. Yes. We get it. Every gun owner is getting some form of the .45 that's stood the test of time. Do it. I own one. And so should you. It's great to shoot.
But 9mm is cheaper so that's my edc that i regularly put rounds through. And it kills just as good. It doesn't matter whether 9 or 45. If you hit in the chest or head they're going down. The large cavity only matters after the initial fight.
Its crystal clear that the 45 created way more impact and internal pressure which is key to eliminating threats.
Shayne Conway most people don’t understand the importance of cavitation.
@@loganmcgee7947 My dentist does
Against 2 legged soft skin targets yes. If I had a bear charging me and was only offered a 9mm with +p hardcasts to defend myself or a 45 with +p hardcasts, I’d take the 9mm. Easier to fire accurately and rapidly and the 9mm is far more likely to penetrate deep and hit vitals on a thicker skinned species such as a bear. Both aren’t good choices though, a 10mm is the smallest I would personally go out with...
@@loganmcgee7947 most people don’t also understand the importance to be able to shoot fast and accurate
I recently purchased my first .45ACP sidearms. I wanted a 1911 double stack, but couldn't find any locally that were in my budget. So I settled on a Glock41 .45ACP. Hadn't fired a Glock before, but was familiar with their reputation, and I saw I could get two brand new Gen4 G41s for roughly the price of one 1911, so I did. Being inexperienced with Glocks I was a little concerned by their trigger safety and lack of traditional manual safeties, but with time and training I'll get over that.
Don't be concerned about those weapons not having "traditional" safety mechanisms. The safety is built into the trigger system, and with proper finger and muzzle direction discipline, they present no more issue than traditional safeties. I've pretty much transitioned to CCW's with no manual safety, as well as my home defense weapons. The learning curve with them is pretty shallow, in all honesty. Years ago, I wanted everything I had to have a decocker/safety, now those old standby pistols seem awkward.
excellent choice
they have wonderful trigger pull also
Ok, I am a .45 guy through and through, but my police force issues me a 9mm for mandatory carry. That being said, this test is not an apples-to-apples test. If you are going to do a .45 vs 9mm - USE THE SAME BULLETS. Both guns should should Powrball and then both guns shoot the the other stuff. Then the comparison is realistic.
Why do that issue police 9mm instead of 40. S&W?
less recoil and easier to shoot? less expencive?
If you're a part of that police force you should resign now since you can't listen. This is their carry ammo they swear by. It has nothing to do with a generic 9mm vs .45 ACP.
@King Savage why's that? For someone to say something like that sounds to me you tried to shoot one and your little hands couldn't handle it, right......
Meh. I'll use the .45
Start out with a big hole, and make it a bigger hole.
Unless their wearing a news paper. Then the 45 would bounce off.
Not if i use a + P
AL From Russia. yes
@@csbaca1 your an idiot 😆
@@abramhepp6379 you're*...its okay I won't tell anyone 😜😜
I worked the ER for 3 years on the south side of Chicago. The boys and I kept a little chart on the side. Have seen many patients with several rounds of 9mm and live...one Pt had five rounds in him and was able to return fire!!! 45's....one and done with extensive damage.
Had a patient hit 6 times with a 9...two days later he's bitching and looking for the remote in ICU. It's all placement. Guess what I carry? 😉
What's the difference between the actual wounds?
You carry .45
Well he's in the fuggin er.. so I'm sure entrance wound sizes , slug recovery , police reports, what the patient says , would all be factors ......
The consistency of penetration depth from the Corbon was nice. Would carry well in a compact Glock too I imagine. Both solid rounds for defensive use.
Thank you for your fair comparison! I like both calibers because each one has its pros and cons. Anyway, I feel better with my 45 carrying new design ammo such as a .45acp+P 185gr Hydra Shock!
Dang that .45 was wicked. You usually see that limited neck big TSC sort of thing with a really fast moving intermediate rifle round. I've never seen a handgun round do that before - normally handguns only seem to cause a crush injury channel behind the path of the bullet without expanding very much beyond the diameter of the actual projectile (at least in gel - no idea if that holds true in hunting/defensive situations). My 1911 has been gathering dust in favor of my Glock for a long time, but it seems that old dog still has a few tricks to show. It also makes me really interested in what the 145gr .45 +P Glaser Silver will do. If the terminal ballistics benefited that much at the 1265 FPS velocity of that 165 Pow'R, I bet the Silver at 1350 will do something special.
That's the normal speed of a 40 caliber at 165 grain
That’s awesome! I’ve been using the Pow’RBall 165 gr +P in .45 ACP and 100 gr +P in 9mm for years, ever since coming across some videos of their ballistic performance vs gelatin. I’ve gotta side with Pete on this one, Karl!
For home defense I use a shotgun loaded with #4 Buck. I keep a 1911 as a back up.
cjhyde78 I have 12 pellet.stout recoil
cjhyde78 mine are sellior and bellot.
Michael Estepp Haha that's a pretty solid game plan right there.
7 barrel musket. Blow them bad guys right back to Britan.
I have not seen a box of #4 in a long time
45 rules! I mean look at those shakings!!! It's amazing!! How much energy does it gives away... Can't even imagine...
I started off as a die hard 9mm guy. I still am for conceal carry. But the more I’ve learned over the years has swayed me to 45 as a home defense round. More energy into the target and less penetration are pluses in my book.
The 45 from this test is getting more penetration than the 9mm so if u miss or even hit the target that round could end up in other rooms or people.
Why are you using a pistol round for home defense? Use a rifle round or a shotgun round, handguns are just concealable that's the only thing they got going for them rifles have way more stopping power
Wow, you could see the difference in kinetic energy between the two. 45 more than the 9, but you wouldn't go wrong with either one. Nice video, thanks.
Many ppl have gone wrong with 9mm,, lol it's well documented
@@DANTHETUBEMAN documented that more people have been killed by 9mm than almost any other round?
@@Thestockxj96 friendly fire lol 😆
@@DANTHETUBEMAN sure.
Is it just me or is there something about the 1911 that makes it just👌
It all depends on the 1911. I wanted another one and I always felt it was wrong to get one in 9mm, but the one I found is incredible and I am sadly waiting on a background check to take her home.
I can’t bring myself to buy a 1911 in 9mm…that’s what all the polymer pistols are for
the feeling on .45cal 1911 is just...it's not easy to explain the feeling
but damn it's good af
I am sticking to my .45 ACP High Cap 1911A2. I can fire it rapidly with relative accuracy at 10 meters even in single hand. I do not argue which caliber is best for self defense; what I know is old belief that a bigger bullet will cause bigger hole and bigger hole means bigger tissue damage; and bigger tissue damage is bigger injury and faster incapacitation.
Agreed. A newbie might not think there's much difference in size between a 9mm and a .45 (11.5mm), but since the cross section increases with the square of the radius, the .45 cross section is actually 62% larger. Much bigger hole, more tissue damage, faster exsanguination. While the video featured exotic ammo, the military is generally limited to solid ball ammo as per the Geneva Convention. With military ball ammo, the 9mm actually has an edge in penetrating body armor, while the .45 makes the bigger hole. I'm sticking with .45.
A bigger bullet DOES NOT necessarily mean more damage is done. What it all comes down to is energy transfer. The initial wound channel made by the projectile itself is only a small part, the transfer of energy that radiates outward and causes tissue damage around the channel (hydrostatic shock) is what gives immediate incapacitation . A small bullet going faster can transfer as much or more energy, and penetration as a bigger bullet going slower. I am not talking particularily about the .45 vs 9mm, just in general. Many many cases where a smaller projectile causes more tissue damage and faster incapacitation than a larger projectile does.
Its time to leave that old design. Glock 21 is the answer.
I knew 2 guys(both now gone) hit by rpgs. One DRT one lived 50 years more - shot placement. I carry .45 but I don't have to lie to myself that 0.096 inches matter
45 has been and always have better accuracy then the 9mm also
What’s this supposed to be comparing? Is it cor bon vs Barnes or 9 vs 45? There should only be one variable.
Their comparing the ammo they carry and recommend to people. It's not supposed to be scientific at all.
Chud science.
I appreciate the fact that it was brought up how hollowpoints on some weapons platforms could have probability of feed issues. The polyball type rounds give more of a hard ball type feed while providing consistent ballistics to work for weapons whose standard set up might be for ball ammo.
Pow'r ball rounds are not hollow points, to be fair, they are frangibles.
these guys never fail to impress me with really good and informative videos👍
In defense of more stopping power:
Sometimes you only get one shot.
exactly and I'M gonna want the 1 shot drop round and you can see in this video is .45 creates the best chance of that happening
yeah 357 125
@@brandondavis4306 Then you should be going for the 9mm.
A 124 grain 9mm has more kinetic energy to impose on the target than a 230 grain .45 does. The bullet penetration difference is often negligible. 9mm actually imparts more total energy into whatever you're shooting, often yielding in greater damage.
@@PrIsMaTiSmX Cool story bro.
@@zoltancsikos5604 you can be ignorant of the facts if you want.
Both calibers are effective at neutralizing a threat. The best caliber for you is the one you shoot good with. I personally carry both, 45acp as my primary and a subcompact 9mm as a backup.
Why not use the same ammo in both calibers to see the differences? This test is not good enough to base carry ammo off of by any professionals standards.
Charles Bronson I carry Barnes Tac XPD’s in my Sig 1911, and P938.
Preston Poole yeah, it just doesn’t make sense to compare two different calibers with different ammo. If you want to compare the same type of ammo to see which caliber is better or two different types of ammo with the same caliber it would make far more sense. It’s a shame TNoutdoors9 doesn’t put out videos anymore. His ammunition testing was top notch.
Because it's a sponsored ad.
O. Staaf that makes sense, because Cor-bon ammo does pretty poorly in most independent testing that I’ve seen.
O. Staaf , nope... no sponsors here... just a few SF guys sharing what they like.
I grew up around machine shops & old hot rods so im just used to big heavy steel machines. Nothing wrong with polymer guns or 9mm but I just feel like I have a proper tool in my hand when I shoot my 45 1911 🥰
These two cartridges are in the same power class, what the. 45 does with mass, 230 grains at 850 fps, the 9 mm, 115 grains at 1200 fps, does with velocity. They are both classic cartridges. Choose what to use, I like both.
Exactly. They do the same job differently. I try and explain that to people and they tend to look at you funny.
In this case they didn't use the classic ball configuration of 45 ACP that you described.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Progress by any other name is still progress. The bullet weights I referred to are the standards for both cartridges. Yet the fact remains, they are in the same power class, as defined by that standard.
It would be interesting if it was possible to use the same style bullet for the 9mm and the 45acp to see if they compare similarly to this test.
Proper bullet placement is the most important factor with no close second. That takes skill and training but most shooters want high capacity 9mm’s and spray a bunch of bullets recklessly like a cop would do. This is called throwing shit at a wall and hope it sticks. Get a good .45 and learn how to shoot it. Then you can start comparing good types of ammo when you can properly place the bullets on target.
"Spray and pray" is more time-efficient...training somebody to empty a mag in the general direction of the target is easy...training a marksman is a bit more difficult.
The age-old litany. 9mm is more controllable/higher velocity/better penetration/more sexy than .45ACP. If you can't hit the bad guy, the $50 Raven .25ACP that he is holding may well be the last thing you ever see.
Going back even further... The M14 is too heavy. The soldier can't carry as much ammo. the M14 isn't controllable when fired full-auto... It IS heavy, which is a GOOD thing when firing an actual rifle round instead of a hopped-up .22. The soldier doesn't NEED as much ammo if he can actually hit the target with aimed fire. The controllability of the M14 in full-auto has little to do with the weapon or the round, and EVERYTHING to do with trigger control.
If I want to just spray lead in large quantities in the general direction of the target and hope to hit something, I have an Ithaca 37 12-ga pump shotgun. This actually falls within the designed use of the weapon if appropriate loads are used.
In the interests of full disclosure, my DD-214 says "Marksman .45" and "Sharpshooter M14" down towards the bottom. I may be biased.
The 45 acp round worked well in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and even Afghanistan! 1911 pistols you have to love them...
Barnes Tac XPD in .40 cal saved my life twice, my newborn and my wife being there during the 2nd incident. I've tested thousands of these rounds and have had a few fail to open, but overall they open reliably and the amount of expansion is ridiculous for a such a light round. It has saved me twice, I've ran it consistently and it will continue to be my carry round.
Me too. They are great ammo. I have them on me right now, while I'm out preparing for this weekend's course. However, I want you to also take a look at some of the rounds that G-9 is making. I'm currently testing them and they (three types I'm testing) are all solid performers. Perhaps better than my Barnes. Thanks for watching, TR
".45 doesn't just kill the body. .45 kills the soul. *Intense stare*" One way or another, the target is going down.
Lewis Baools if General Patton can carry a 45 so can we. One round to the ground
Lewis Baools always loved that saying, and I carry a 9mm
.45 ACP
because shooting twice is just silly!
Lewis has been watching Colion!!😀👍
That was a really good test! Thanks very much for doing that for us all. Much appreciated!
Guys in 30 years in law enforcement I have to say that having experienced various situations where my life was on the line and that of my fellow officers it's all about shot placement a 22. Is deadly in the right hands.
35 years in Law Enforcement, I watched people who had been hit by .22 .32 walk to the ambulance. That is why I carry a
45
40+years actual combat...45 and they dont shoot again
86 years In a war zone, I've seen everything. That's why I carry Geico.
A 9 mil is a sword. Cuts right through you.
A .45 is a baseball bat. At 900 fps.
@Boi ...and...?
Seriously thank you for using new blocks when switching to the other caliber. Much better visual representation.
I carry 45 ACP, because it's the most American and patriotic round LOL
Big hands, big gun. Lefty means things aren't where they need to be on most guns. I carry a Springfield XDM in .45ACP. 13+1, grip safety, trigger safety, ambi mag release. Problem solved.
I earned ribbons in the Navy with a 1911 and an M14. Guess that makes me American, patriotic...and old.
Weak ass round. Get a 10mm.
@@darrengarcia4937 ...because you never know when you may need to depend on overpenetration to take out several bad guys standing in line.
@@kevincrosby1760 Hollowpoints exist. And with 10mm velocity expansion and wound cavities are going to be pretty big for the guy and the guy behind him
thanks. a lot of LEO use the federal HST...wonder how that compares, tho I like the corbon 'ball' design. (my understanding is, the original 1911 design was meant for ball...tho I've not had any feed issues w/ my series 70 colt)
Michael Elder I carry Federal HST’s in all of my handguns. I’ve tested a lot of different types of self defense rounds and the HST has been the most consistent out of all of them. I can’t knock the Speer Gold Dot though, I have plenty of that as well. It is also a very consistent self defense ammunition. Those are the only two I carry. There’s other good ones as well, but just my preference.
Can’t go wrong with hard ball in 45 ACP, shot placement is key.
“If you have a firearm that has has trouble chambering hollow points…”
*laughs in HK45
It would have been interesting to see both 9mm and the 45ACP from the same manufacturer. It would also have been interesting to see various weights of each caliber. I appreciate the demo, but honestly this painted a very limited picture, because for one the ammo is from two different manufacturers and thus their design will naturally be inconsistent with each other, bullet expansion etc.
For anyone who thinks a 45 round is to slow please send me the video of you dodging it. I was very impressed with the damage it caused.
What a moron. Speed is about penetration power not ability to dodge the bullet
I bought a .45 Bersa ultra compact pro off a friend. Man I love that gun.
I think we can All agree that no one would be having a good day after getting hit with either one if them
“Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet.” Someone once said that. 🤷🏻♂️
Ima give you a tip lol aim for the head Fucc the caliber
if you wanna maximize the pain and potentially end him
go for 2 3 shots in liver
they can live on dialysis without kidneys but without liver they're dead before making to the list for transplant
@@thenewbie2235 the good ole shit bag vital organs are something else
@@thenewbie2235 yeah but liver is a quite resilient organ which can be embolized in the subparts of it to stop any bleeding. Small number of hepatocyte can be sufficient enough to ensure function
Nice test, looks like both rounds will work just fine.
These types of threads always crack me up!
Isn't it the truth. I love to hear them go back and forth. Thanks for watching, TR
This makes no sense.
You need to use the same manufacturers styles of ammo.
He used possibly the hottest 45 you can find and a mid-tier 9mm.
That 45 is moving almost as fast as the 9 is.
That's simply not a true comparison of the calibers.
They are two trainers comparing their preferred calibers in their preferred ammo. I dont think the 9mm trainer is purposefully carrying as his edc 9mm ammo that is "mid-tier". Any infatuation with using the same ammo is silly because you cannot shoot 9mm out of .45 ACP nor .45 ACP out of 9mm. They would not be the same ammo by definition. There is no reason to suspect the best make and model for 9mm is the best one for .45. You could easily have a load and bullet that is better in 9mm than 45 and vice versa. It is much better to take two guys who have researched the best round in 9mm and the best round in .45 ACP and then compare the best 9mm vs the best .45 ACP.
.45 ACP does in fact move very fast in lighter loads. That shouldnt be surprising based on it being 165 gr.
Lol hahaha its not fair for any 9mm vs 45 u idiot because 45 is much better. U wouldnt want to test my 45 super loads i shoot in my 45acp chambered 1911. But u think it would be fair to test 9mm +p+ vs ball 45 yall 9mm fags lose every time. U can carry 2 more rounds than 45 guns thats all u got but we can carry just as many mags and cause much more damage
The clearly larger permanent one cavity, at least 20 to 25% larger per round, from the 45 ACP is a distinct advantage in an actual gunfight. Permanent wound cavity in pistol calibers means everything as far as disabling a combatant goes.
So is having 9 more shots
I used to think that way but you will be scared and nervous as hell. I am a excellent shot, but I know my skills will decline when under the threat of death. I want the extra rounds for my misses.
@@whatsmolly5741 My Springfield XDM in .45ACP holds 13+1. I carry for self-defense. If I need more rounds than that, I'm in the wrong place with the wrong weapon.
@@kevincrosby1760 I see people say that all the time and it’s bs, under pressure you will miss
@@mikestackz854 It is my firm belief that you will only react differently under pressure if you have to think about what you are doing.
Drawing your weapon and being on target with both proper sight alignment and proper sight picture when the weapon reaches eye level should be a matter of instinct and muscle memory, not a thought process.
This is achieved by much repetitive practice and drills, and should require as much thought as hitting the brakes when a dog runs in front of the car.
Both cartridges have roughly the same amount of energy which is around 500 joules. The problem is that one is smaller and other is much larger. This means that the larger one, when it hits the target, will transfer it's energy to the target much faster compared to the smaller one which will use that energy to penetrate deeper. This is much more obvious with hollow point ammo. With fmj ammo, neither will have too much stopping power and you will rely on hitting the vitals of the attacker in order to stop him right away.
finally, someone who understands why you dont want over-penetrating rounds.
That moment when you genuinely come to the vid to watch and learn, with no pre-conceived Ideas, or opinions at all...
Thanks for the great video.
I've come to appreciate both. Can't go wrong with either.
Right on!
HK USP 45 tactical guys, my gun of choice... Done deal!
A more consistent test in my opinion would have been both calibers with the same type of ammo rather than two dramatically different. I'm curious how the 9mm Powerball would have performed.
I will admit, I have an emotional attachment to my 1911. That being said. The reason I like 45 over 9mm is because I like being able to buy, train with and carry, any major companies off the shelf ball ammo and not have to worry about changes in lethality due to bullet construction or distance to target, wether I use my 1911 or my B&T sub gun out to 200 yards. Cheap Remington green and white box 230 gr ball is good enough. If I want to get all fancy and equal a 10mm, I can use underwood 185 gr +P whic has more energy than nearly all non boutique 10mm from Off the shelf. If I need a woods gun, I can carry hard cast lead by underwood or buffalo bore. Lastly, if I shoot suppressed (which I do a fair bit of) all 45 acp is subsonic and still has 100% energy, not even close in 9mm.
Seriously, though a very old cartridge, the 45ACP allows you to fill the role of multiple handguns and sub guns
Best answer in a long time. Thanks for watching, TR
Germany used the 9mm in WW2 and the US used the .45.
Guess which country won?
well, u see thats where ur wrong (kinda). Germany proved technical superiority during WW2. But yeah, they lost anyway xd
The wrong country won.
@@bannedfromisrael Luxembourg?
This test is worthless. Use the same brand of ammo.
Three things determine a one-shot stop - bullet placement, bullet placement, and bullet placement.
These "ballistic" and other comparison test are BS, Use what you like and fits your needs
and don't let others bully you into their way of thinking.
Both calibers are designed to neutrilize the threat. I think either would suffice effectively... I will say, the energy of the .45 was amazing in the way it ruptured & shook the gel block! Badass
I carry a .45ACP pistol. I’m a big guy so I figure having a big gun would suit me just fine. But honestly any gun and caliber is lethal if you train with it and often. Don’t just buy a gun and leave it in your nightstand or glove compartment. To quote the movie Hellboy “there are things that go bump in the night. We are the ones who bump back.”
Shot placement wins every caliber debate
Is that why everyone recommends 22lr for self defense? (Sarcasm)
The problem is that shot placement is irrelevant to the CALIBER debate. That is a factor not dependent on calibers. It's like saying a certain caliber is good because a person owns a gun. It is a non-starter.
The way this guy talks, sounds like he drew his conclusions before did the test...
In general, I carry a 9mm and use the.45 for home defense. But I could be happy with either one. I really like my .357 sig in 65 grain @ 2,100 fps the most, but they are all great as long as you hit early and often with them. I will always prefer of course my Tavor or AR or SCAR.
For real defensive situations, nothing comes close to a rifle, but you can't really have one with you all the time, so, we love our handguns, this powrball looks like a winner to me.
I like the Extreme Defender rounds best but this Pow,Rball may be in the running now.
Always love the reaction 45 guys give when they see that 9mm is superior. 'Oh well you don't want to over penetrate.'
Ben Tomlin listen, if you don’t understand cavitation then you can’t have an opinion on any caliber.
Logan is right Ben.
@Cobradriver99 Yes, that is why I carry a sawed off 0.75 inch caliber musket in my holster. Who needs that extra round after that big hole anyway?
@@hb9145 I lol’d. 🤣😂
Ben Tomlin Clown comment.
Awesome, another example of apples vs oranges.
literally the best comparison video i've ever watched, just to the point
I like both of the rounds but what I find interesting is you don't hear a lot of talk about the 40 cal anymore it would however have been interesting to see 9 vs 45 vs 40
They're not talking about the 40 because the 40 is in the class all of its own
The 9 expands to 3/4", the .45 expands to over 1" and delivers more energy to the target.
Gee, I wonder which caliber I want in my holster..
'Want' is irrelevant in round choice. You 'need' something that you can handle well to stop a threat.
The right choice is 9mm makarov
Seeing that cavitation with both made me feel warm all over.
The single action 1911 is easier to shoot accurately than a glock 19 or sig p320 so that can make a difference in a high stress situation.
Yeah my 19 is extremely blocky and I don't even have small hands, it's harder to pull with a solid grip. But, my friend's HK 45 felt like putting on a perfect glove and had less recoil.
@@Kimchi_Studios do you know the price difference between a HK and a G19?