I like the brightness of the Gen 2, but I liked the slightly longer throw pattern. The lights do not do much good when you can only light up a few yards past the hood line. Nothing against you Chloe, but I hope you messed up something in the install. As it stands I would stick with my stock lights with illegal aftermarket LED bulbs. Baja Designs, if you are reading this... Do not stop selling the gen 1 units til you have come up with a gen 3... I LOVE your products, but it looks like you have a fail on this one. I consider good fogs to be more important than any other off road light here in east tennessee. We do not do a lot of desert racing here, but we do hit the back roads, or go rock crawling in dense woods. The Gen 1 SAE have been on my wish list since I got my tacoma.
I mean if you don’t care that the Gen 1 aren’t really SAE compliant go and get a set of the Squadron Sports…they’re the exact same electrical power but they throw light quite a bit more outside of the cut off rectangle. They all still have a rectangular hot spot it’s more how much they spill outside of that. The Gen 2 SAE is very tight…
Ive had the sports on my ram and for an actual fog light in the mountains where it gets really foggy and you have 5 ft of visability, the sports are way to bright and throw too far. What you need for actual fog is them to have a strong cut off like these new gen 2’s. That will help you see the white/yellow lines in the road. If you want long throw for offroading at night get the sports and who cares about street legal.
I purchased the original Baja fog's for my Tacoma a few years ago. I love Baja Designs, their products are next level but I did think their "fog" lights did not perform well as a fog light. Ended up selling them and purchasing the Diode fogs which performed (as a fog light) much better. Hopefully Baja's updated version performs better as a fog light.
Excellent as always - very precise and detailed information. Great footage of comparison of the lights. Winters in Wyoming are a challenge - these lights will make a huge difference. Thanks!
Thank you for making this video Chloe. Very informative, the upgrade program and extra brightness are great. V2 would look better with supplemental lights. The extra wash of the v1 beam pattern suits my needs better currently.
That’s not what you want in a fog light. I suspect they are upgrading the gen 1s for free because they are not actually SAE approved and therefore false advertisement.
@@KrazyKyle012yeah that seems like too much light cast up high it’s gonna piss off oncoming traffic. Still better than Squadron Sports tho. They have a hot central box but way more spill outside of it.
@@KrazyKyle012I agree that it’s too much light spilling upwards, but the gen 2 doesn’t have enough distance for highway travel during bad weather. That low cutoff point on the gen 2 might be okay on the trails at a crawl, but you’re not going to be a happy camper trying to use them during snow storms in the Rocky’s or in Alabama early morning fog. So what you believe a fog lights function and purpose should be is quite different from what other people may need them for. Personally, I would buy the gen 1’s and modify the black piece that snaps into the back side of the lenses since I need something with a little more distance without it being a driving light.
@@ChloeKuo Yes indeed. It basically puts your fogs on a separate circuit so you can even have your fogs on when your engine is off. There are some different versions of the Brite box...I think the one I have is the Brite box anytime that lets you do that
Thank you so much for doing this video! I have been on the fence about the upgrade just because I wasn't sure what the differences would be. You are a huge help! I think I'll be sending mine in for the upgrade. And I agree 100% that offers like the free upgrade are signs of how the company feels about its customers. Cheers!
I have white led low beams but I recently put yellow fog lights on my scion tc and the difference was like night and day (pun intended) I'm able to see through fog and the road during heavy rain. I almost feel like it should be a global safety requirement to have yellow fog lights, I can see much better now 👍
I am very happy the new versions have a distinct cutoff. With the old V1s people would flash their high beams at me and the actual throw distance of the V1s weren't very good compared to the competition. I sent my V1s in for the upgrade program last March, but turnaround time seems to be pretty slow (I would assume because of labor or chip shortages?) and have not heard back yet. Can't wait to get them back. In the meantime, I went with the Rigid D series because they have the most distinct cutoff. Can't wait to switch back to the V2s to compare when they arrive. I don't know if the test results of the below link are skewed because the testing was done by Morimoto, but allegedly, the V1s were not SAE compliant in the tests even though it claims to be SAE street legal. Anything to NOT be a cop magnet would be nice after blasting them in the face with non-compliant fog lights, haha. For the actual roads, the new V2s look to be a huge improvement. If you need light above the cutoff for offroad, then that is what offroad lights are for. www.morimotohid.com/docs/Calcoast%20SAE%20J583%20Full%20Report.pdf
Good video Chloe this is great upgrade I appreciate the info I enjoyed watching your channel Im always learning something new about trucks 🛻 on Your channel 😎💪🏾 keep up the awesome work
They finally fixed them to be a proper fog light, which is good but IMO it took them way too long. Something to make note of though: they aren’t doing this out of the goodness of their heart. The existing SAEs were never a proper SAE pattern. They weren’t when they launched and they still weren’t when they put the black window template over the diodes to bring down the blinding effect of the original SAE design. So, this SHOULD be free and would be unacceptable to cost money to the user. I also am not a fan of the green hue of Baja “amber”. It’s not amber, or even yellow….it’s green. I prefer my Rigid 360s and will continue to recommend them over Baja, though I do have one other Baja product that I like (S1 flush mount work/scene). I think they just didn’t handle the SAE release properly and took way too long to fix it. At least both brands are far better than diode dynamics though.
@@KrazyKyle012 yep. They aren’t doing anything admirable, they’re just trying to right their screwup. Those original SAEs were scrutinized mercilessly on the forum and they did not perform as a proper fog light at all. The new ones seem to finally fix that but it took WAY too long to get to this point. Also, it is complete crap that you have to send in your own lights to have them converted to gen 2 and wait for that to happen. They should be sending new gen 2s and buying back peoples 1’s.
Got mine back finally. I like the upgrade. They do have a sharper cut off and are brighter where they do illuminate. I did get flashed by other cars when running the fogs previously. Hopefully this will stop that.
I like the Gen 1 better. I don’t like the cutoff on the Gen 2 (who cares if they’re brighter). I see more field of view with the Gen 1. I thought that was the point, not cutoff.
Hi. I have some squardron r fogs for my 21’ tundra. It’s not SAE and the beam goes everywhere. Do u know if Baja sells a kit to make the light cut off and make them SAE??
They do not make a kit that will turn your Sport or Pro models into the SAE versions. I have inquired about this myself, as I have the Pro model squadron lights. I have even claimed that I have the SAE Gen 1 model that was “damaged” damaged when I hit a deer (a white lie) that broke the lenses and projector bulbs and was hoping I could buy and have them send me the replacement parts. They said the only way to get them repaired would be to send them in to be fixed. I do off roading and also live in a rural area where I use them to avoid hitting deer and other wildlife. I turn them on and off when other cars are coming at me. I’m not sure if I really want to get the conversation for SAE lights and lose 1500 lumens per light. 4000 lumens for Pro model and 2500 for SAE. I’m thinking of just buying the SAE version and keeping my Pro models for strictly off-road use.
I’ve been looking for something like these, even just to help with night driving when the lane markings have worn down. I followed your link and got a pair for my 2nd gen Tacoma
Looks like BD changed them for free because the gen1 did not have a proper cutoff which means they’re not SAE or not DOT approved for use as a fog light.
@17:13 There is nothing free. BD is not in the business of giving handouts. They did the upgrade program because they are probably making money by selling the gen1 components in some foreign country and the parts they use are sourced outside the US cheap and we pay a ton for their products. Not knocking them as my vehicles have BD lights everywhere. It bugs me when someone says a company is doing something for free... In this world everything comes at a cost.
I’ll tell you that bracket design isn’t premium. I installed a set yesterday and it’s hot garbage. The updated bracket one tab is punched out in such a way that the EPDM has barely anything to stick to. The fact that they’d give you some ridiculous rubber stickers feels BEYOND ghetto. Then there’s the matter of the side with the screw. If you just screw it down the outside edge makes contact with the fog light escutcheon effectively toeing the lights in and making the gap around the perimeter uneven (the OEM are almost perfectly even) unless you put a couple washers in front of the bracket which in turn reduces screw engagement. I may just end up 3D printing some tabs and spacers to get these things perfect but for $430 Baja should be ashamed of what they stick in the box for brackets esp when you can see the likes of Diode Dynamics and Rigid tool proper injection molded parts that actually fit the bumper properly. Apart from that (and missing screws) and wonky DIY part of the connectors (if you get it backwards you’re f’d as it won’t come apart and yes Green is positive on the Toyota harness) it’s great. FWIW - Lights draw 2.25A at 13.8V for 31W pretty efficient that said they do get pretty hot in hand.
I like the brightness of the Gen 2, but I liked the slightly longer throw pattern. The lights do not do much good when you can only light up a few yards past the hood line. Nothing against you Chloe, but I hope you messed up something in the install. As it stands I would stick with my stock lights with illegal aftermarket LED bulbs.
Baja Designs, if you are reading this... Do not stop selling the gen 1 units til you have come up with a gen 3... I LOVE your products, but it looks like you have a fail on this one. I consider good fogs to be more important than any other off road light here in east tennessee. We do not do a lot of desert racing here, but we do hit the back roads, or go rock crawling in dense woods. The Gen 1 SAE have been on my wish list since I got my tacoma.
I mean if you don’t care that the Gen 1 aren’t really SAE compliant go and get a set of the Squadron Sports…they’re the exact same electrical power but they throw light quite a bit more outside of the cut off rectangle. They all still have a rectangular hot spot it’s more how much they spill outside of that. The Gen 2 SAE is very tight…
Ive had the sports on my ram and for an actual fog light in the mountains where it gets really foggy and you have 5 ft of visability, the sports are way to bright and throw too far. What you need for actual fog is them to have a strong cut off like these new gen 2’s. That will help you see the white/yellow lines in the road. If you want long throw for offroading at night get the sports and who cares about street legal.
Agree
I purchased the original Baja fog's for my Tacoma a few years ago. I love Baja Designs, their products are next level but I did think their "fog" lights did not perform well as a fog light. Ended up selling them and purchasing the Diode fogs which performed (as a fog light) much better. Hopefully Baja's updated version performs better as a fog light.
Excellent as always - very precise and detailed information. Great footage of comparison of the lights. Winters in Wyoming are a challenge - these lights will make a huge difference. Thanks!
Very responsible of Baja Designs with this program! Less waste in the environment!
Thank you for making this video Chloe. Very informative, the upgrade program and extra brightness are great. V2 would look better with supplemental lights. The extra wash of the v1 beam pattern suits my needs better currently.
I think the gen 1 are still better. They light up more back ground.
That’s not what you want in a fog light. I suspect they are upgrading the gen 1s for free because they are not actually SAE approved and therefore false advertisement.
Yeah looks like they really improved the cut off lines they do seen brighter as well
@@KrazyKyle012yeah that seems like too much light cast up high it’s gonna piss off oncoming traffic. Still better than Squadron Sports tho. They have a hot central box but way more spill outside of it.
@@KrazyKyle012I agree that it’s too much light spilling upwards, but the gen 2 doesn’t have enough distance for highway travel during bad weather. That low cutoff point on the gen 2 might be okay on the trails at a crawl, but you’re not going to be a happy camper trying to use them during snow storms in the Rocky’s or in Alabama early morning fog. So what you believe a fog lights function and purpose should be is quite different from what other people may need them for. Personally, I would buy the gen 1’s and modify the black piece that snaps into the back side of the lenses since I need something with a little more distance without it being a driving light.
That's so awesome of Baja Designs to do the free upgrade. And I agree, you get what you pay for. Cody 🐕 was checking out your work 😀. ♥️🌮🐶🐾
yeah, thanks for having us back., would love to hop into your yoda and go for a ride.
Diode Dynamics w/ amber DRL combined with Brite Box for me..
Is the brite box to allow high beams + fogs at the same time? I might need to pick that up!
@@ChloeKuo Yes indeed. It basically puts your fogs on a separate circuit so you can even have your fogs on when your engine is off. There are some different versions of the Brite box...I think the one I have is the Brite box anytime that lets you do that
@@h2beezy2 very cool!
Thanks for the support! 🤘
Time for the baja fogs giveaway 2.0😂😂 upgrading mine as we speak! Great info!
Thank you so much for doing this video! I have been on the fence about the upgrade just because I wasn't sure what the differences would be. You are a huge help! I think I'll be sending mine in for the upgrade. And I agree 100% that offers like the free upgrade are signs of how the company feels about its customers. Cheers!
Very informative as usual!! The cut-off of the gen2's just will not work for me - too low.
My application is inclement weather, not really terrain.
Thanks for showing the install. Good reference to go to when I do mine.
Looks like the gen2 lights need to be pointed/ aimed higher up.
Thanks Chloe on a solid sae review on v1 vs v2! Can’t wait for my rebuilt sae v2 fogs to arrive. Cheers!
Nice set! I picked up some from TacomaBeast that lets you shift between white, Yellow, and a mix between white and yellow. :)
I have white led low beams but I recently put yellow fog lights on my scion tc and the difference was like night and day (pun intended) I'm able to see through fog and the road during heavy rain. I almost feel like it should be a global safety requirement to have yellow fog lights, I can see much better now 👍
Factory rigid led fog works well in snowy conditions it doesn’t freeze the lens .
I am very happy the new versions have a distinct cutoff. With the old V1s people would flash their high beams at me and the actual throw distance of the V1s weren't very good compared to the competition. I sent my V1s in for the upgrade program last March, but turnaround time seems to be pretty slow (I would assume because of labor or chip shortages?) and have not heard back yet. Can't wait to get them back. In the meantime, I went with the Rigid D series because they have the most distinct cutoff. Can't wait to switch back to the V2s to compare when they arrive.
I don't know if the test results of the below link are skewed because the testing was done by Morimoto, but allegedly, the V1s were not SAE compliant in the tests even though it claims to be SAE street legal. Anything to NOT be a cop magnet would be nice after blasting them in the face with non-compliant fog lights, haha. For the actual roads, the new V2s look to be a huge improvement. If you need light above the cutoff for offroad, then that is what offroad lights are for.
www.morimotohid.com/docs/Calcoast%20SAE%20J583%20Full%20Report.pdf
Good video Chloe this is great upgrade I appreciate the info I enjoyed watching your channel Im always learning something new about trucks 🛻 on Your channel 😎💪🏾 keep up the awesome work
Is it just me or do the gen 2’s look cheaper??
Thanks for the great video. Be nice to see how they perform in the fog. Thinking about installing a set on my 22 tacoma DCOR.
Setup looks fantastic Chloe! and great work on the video as always.
Would be nice if you tested them in actual fog. My OEM with Sylvania yellow bulbs work. But I'd like to see the comparison in fog.
The OEM LED fogs are much better than the halogen, but the aftermarket versions are next level in comparison.
I prefer GEN 1 definitely
They finally fixed them to be a proper fog light, which is good but IMO it took them way too long. Something to make note of though: they aren’t doing this out of the goodness of their heart. The existing SAEs were never a proper SAE pattern. They weren’t when they launched and they still weren’t when they put the black window template over the diodes to bring down the blinding effect of the original SAE design. So, this SHOULD be free and would be unacceptable to cost money to the user. I also am not a fan of the green hue of Baja “amber”. It’s not amber, or even yellow….it’s green.
I prefer my Rigid 360s and will continue to recommend them over Baja, though I do have one other Baja product that I like (S1 flush mount work/scene). I think they just didn’t handle the SAE release properly and took way too long to fix it. At least both brands are far better than diode dynamics though.
You are absolutely right about the free upgrade being due to the gen 1s not actually being SAE approved
@@KrazyKyle012 yep. They aren’t doing anything admirable, they’re just trying to right their screwup. Those original SAEs were scrutinized mercilessly on the forum and they did not perform as a proper fog light at all.
The new ones seem to finally fix that but it took WAY too long to get to this point.
Also, it is complete crap that you have to send in your own lights to have them converted to gen 2 and wait for that to happen. They should be sending new gen 2s and buying back peoples 1’s.
Generation 1 💪🏼
It looked like the new version had a spot missing on the right side? Am I the only one who noticed that
Nice upgrade! Looks like a quality product.
Baja Designs are the best.
I prefer the Gen 1
Sent mine in as well. Waiting patiently.
Got mine back finally. I like the upgrade. They do have a sharper cut off and are brighter where they do illuminate. I did get flashed by other cars when running the fogs previously. Hopefully this will stop that.
Id be interested in seeing the wide/cornering lens from your gen 1 to replace the spot lens on gen 2.
Have you tried the KC's?
I installed Baja Designs on my 2022 Tacoma a good upgrade.
Very good vid to help us out. Thx
Wish they’d sell a bolt on kit for the 4th gen 4Runner.
Another great video. What do you think about the “bulbzilla” upgrade going from a H11 to H9?
I like the Gen 1 better. I don’t like the cutoff on the Gen 2 (who cares if they’re brighter). I see more field of view with the Gen 1. I thought that was the point, not cutoff.
Hi Chloe, thanks for the videos. Where can I find or what is the name of the adapter cable? I bought those lights but I can't connect them
Wow, the gen 2 is a major difference.
Please send me a link for that small harness!
Hey, would you happen to be selling your old lights? I'd love to buy your old set!
Will there be a gen 2 for the sport as well??
Hi. I have some squardron r fogs for my 21’ tundra. It’s not SAE and the beam goes everywhere. Do u know if Baja sells a kit to make the light cut off and make them SAE??
They do not make a kit that will turn your Sport or Pro models into the SAE versions. I have inquired about this myself, as I have the Pro model squadron lights. I have even claimed that I have the SAE Gen 1 model that was “damaged” damaged when I hit a deer (a white lie) that broke the lenses and projector bulbs and was hoping I could buy and have them send me the replacement parts. They said the only way to get them repaired would be to send them in to be fixed. I do off roading and also live in a rural area where I use them to avoid hitting deer and other wildlife. I turn them on and off when other cars are coming at me. I’m not sure if I really want to get the conversation for SAE lights and lose 1500 lumens per light. 4000 lumens for Pro model and 2500 for SAE. I’m thinking of just buying the SAE version and keeping my Pro models for strictly off-road use.
what happened to your landcruiser? do you still have it?
I’ve been looking for something like these, even just to help with night driving when the lane markings have worn down. I followed your link and got a pair for my 2nd gen Tacoma
no discount code for Baja? :(
Looks like BD changed them for free because the gen1 did not have a proper cutoff which means they’re not SAE or not DOT approved for use as a fog light.
Yep. I got hi beamed a lot when using them.
Yes been waiting for this vid!!! thanks Chloé!!
More Road Ready Alters...
Making it look OEM...
Sorry ANZO is the best. I was even told by an employee at KC that ANZO is the best.
The gen 1 looks like it goes alot farther but the 2 looks like has more light concentrated 🤷😂
Best of you ignore DD ;)
Great work and information
Keep up the Great Stuff 👍 🇺🇸🗽🇺🇸 Great footage!!
I like the light out put of the gen 1 !!
The Vermonter
I want to know how the gen 2 compare to diode dynamics ss3 pro
They don’t. Diode Dynamics are still substantially outperforming them.
@@tyeetamer we’ll that’s good to know cause I ended up going with diode dynamics again my first pair finally gave out after 4 year of use and abuse
that's nice.
Can you send me the old ones I can’t afford them.
I prefer floodlights as my fog lights, but oncoming traffic says otherwise.
😊
Do you still have discount code for BD?
Used to be Chloek10 but it doesn’t work anymore.
@@Justin11b11m thanks. I reached out to bd. They offer military discount. I got my squadron pro’s and s2 sae on a military discount.
Every toyota owner does the Amber's it's tacky if it's not and 86
99.5% chance I’ll drop that screw lol
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@17:13 There is nothing free. BD is not in the business of giving handouts. They did the upgrade program because they are probably making money by selling the gen1 components in some foreign country and the parts they use are sourced outside the US cheap and we pay a ton for their products. Not knocking them as my vehicles have BD lights everywhere. It bugs me when someone says a company is doing something for free... In this world everything comes at a cost.
Can I have your old one?
I’ll buy the gen 1’s off you
Sell me your old ones! 😉. Looks like you got new ones?
Sorry girl. Should have either stuck with 1st gen or sport with dual lens.
I’ll tell you that bracket design isn’t premium. I installed a set yesterday and it’s hot garbage. The updated bracket one tab is punched out in such a way that the EPDM has barely anything to stick to. The fact that they’d give you some ridiculous rubber stickers feels BEYOND ghetto.
Then there’s the matter of the side with the screw. If you just screw it down the outside edge makes contact with the fog light escutcheon effectively toeing the lights in and making the gap around the perimeter uneven (the OEM are almost perfectly even) unless you put a couple washers in front of the bracket which in turn reduces screw engagement.
I may just end up 3D printing some tabs and spacers to get these things perfect but for $430 Baja should be ashamed of what they stick in the box for brackets esp when you can see the likes of Diode Dynamics and Rigid tool proper injection molded parts that actually fit the bumper properly.
Apart from that (and missing screws) and wonky DIY part of the connectors (if you get it backwards you’re f’d as it won’t come apart and yes Green is positive on the Toyota harness) it’s great. FWIW - Lights draw 2.25A at 13.8V for 31W pretty efficient that said they do get pretty hot in hand.
Crazy expensive
Baja Designs makes horrible SAE lights. If you want the best, go Diode Dynamics.
Will you ever do onlyfans?
Let’sss get to that !!
😂 simping for a youtuber ,pathetic.