2021 Triumph Speed Twin | Euro 5 Did Us A Favor?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Two years old and already an update that was driven by Euro 5 but and this is a big BUT I'd like to thank Euro 5 (instead of criticizing them) this time because it made Triumph bring this motor to life and now it says: "play with me, let's go have some fun!" almost to the point of being a naked bike.
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Video Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:35 Top 5
2:24 Powertrain Competition Chart
6:05 Chassis
7:57 Ergonomics
9:58 Controls & Display
10:40 Still A Roadster? - Авто та транспорт
The most addictive part of riding my Thruxton RS is definitely doing pulls from 3k-5k while boppin' around town. The torque band is just great. Having 75 ft/lbs on tap by 2500 is fun and makes commuting a breeze. I can imagine the Speed Twin's ergos making it just that much better of a daily rider.
Incredible job as always, all your reviews are so professional, love your charts, they give awesome comparisons. Keep up the great work.
I've now had this bike a year and I absolutely love it. Puts a smile on my face every time.
Looks like a nice update! Great video and review!
Great review Scott, keep em coming!!
Never experienced any video on this motorbike as comprehensive as this one, Thanks
Great bike and great review as usual, Scott!
My new Speed twin has just hit 1000km. I love it more than any bike I’ve ridden in the last 50 years. Yup got my license at 16😎. Anyway it is so easy as a commuter and handles beautifully. Unfortunately due to lockdowns I have not had it out on the twisties, but confident it will make me smile more. Ohh did I mention the torque. I have yet to see another one on the roads of Sydney. Cheers
Hey, i was eager to see this one!
In my opinion competition to Speed Twin is the RNineT & Pure, not the R1250R but hey. Also Honda has the CB1000 but then you would be right to tell me that it is way too modern to be included as direct competition! Gonna sit back and enjoy the ride now!
I love your content my man, keep it up!
We miss hearing from you! Great and very honest reviews always.
Thank you for the kind words. It's comments like this that keep me going 😁👍😊
If the weather holds and we get some sunny days, I hope to start riding next week again.
take care,
Scott
Great video!
Test rode this bike a few weeks ago. Left me grinning from ear to ear. Such a well rounded machine! 👍🏻
Need to test ride a Thruxton RS and choose between the two. Cheers!
Complimenti per le vostre recensioni 👍
I bought mine and will get it next week. I’m so happy
Hallo scott thats a rewiew i ve been waiting for thanks!
Hallo Michael - hast du mit Untertitel geguckt? Ich finde das lustig ha.
Brilliant review Scott, I can’t wait to test ride one ! it would be a great second bike 😊I like you to do a Comparison video with the top fast retro bikes!? Brilliant channel 👍👍
Great review. I'm on a 2023 Trident for about 5500 miles now and lately have really been getting excited about these. Hopefully I'll be able to test ride one of these later this summer. I think it might be my next bike.
One of the best reviews on this bike :)
Great review!
Hi Scott, it sounds like you really enjoyed yourself making this video of this splendid bike! Triumph makes it harder and harder to choose out of these gorgeous bikes around the T 120 engine! I think I’d choose the classic Bonnie, but this ST also makes the water run through your mouth. Wow!
Yea, this is a fun bike to ride. Some bikes I just go through the motions and do the review but this was NOT one of those bikes. It really felt like I was riding a naked bike, the previous gen feels totally different from this current gen...it has changed and changed for the better...imho 😁👍
Nice review and great channel name :-)
I ordered one today in Jet Black for the 2022 season! cant wait until its arrival! :D
Real content that has influenced me. Triumph have really achieved a great engineered update. This is a fantastic offering even to the connoisseur.
I have quietly coveted this motorcycle for a while now. Triumph certainly knows how to design and build a motorcycle. I agree with all of the points presented in Scott's review. To me it looks like Triumph has addressed all of the weaknesses resulting from comparing it to the R9T. Smart move Triumph.
It’s a great bike. I got a 2020
I’m considering trading up, but i like the older version better for different reasons. No lie... I may end up just owning both. Speed Twin is my absolute favorite look.
Love your reviews, late to this one, what a nice bike.
G'day Scott. Thanks very much for this particular review. Currently deciding between the T120 and the Speed Twin. Test rode the ST last week and I'm glad to say that I concur with everything that you have stated regarding the sheer riding pleasure of this bike. Will be getting the Speed Twin, hopefully as a christmas present to myself. Thanks again brother, great videos as usual. Stay safe.
Same here. Unfortunately i couldnt test ride where im from so i put a deposit down today. Comes at Christmas
@@Justh4tguy Way to go mate. Should be a great bike for a lot of years. You will fall in love with it as soon as you take it for a spin. I did.
Hopefully. Im nervous spendjng the momey blind
Good sound , torque and handling. Seems to have many of the desirable qualities.
Still one of my favourite alternatives vs. the 1250R in this roadster group (watching the vid again now - 03/22). But & have to be said: b o t h of them easily can join the middle weight nakeds ☝🏻✨💪🏻 … the torque (ok, the 143 Nm of the 1250R is absolutely fabulous!) and the sound on the Speed Twin, even or better (!) in rain mode is just pure fun. This 1200 ccm Twin can be driven slow and relaxed, or fast. Up to you, it’s fun anytime 🤩
Still think about getting the Trident 660 as a smaller, more daily commuter, or this wonderful bigger Twin.
Such a good job, Triumph made on both, here even the price is way better for the whole finish & style, than the companions. Thx for this (another) superb review 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice review
You can tell a good bike when the rider can't stop laughing!
Very nice review... congratts... new to the channel..subscribed! I would compare this with the BMW NineT and not the 1250...but I am not the first one to say it ;)
Roll on laughter says it all. 👍🏼😎
Excellent review great job 😎
Great vid thxs
Such a beautiful bike. If Kawi had not created the Z900RS (which I bought), I could've seen owning this one. Still, love the sound of the Twin's exhaust!
nice looking bike 😊
Was eyeing between both between Z900RS & Speed Twin. Now I acquired the Z900RS slightly over 2 weeks ago. It's a second hand unit, 7000 plus km on the ODO & still has warranty till mid next year. Couldn't resist with the offer - 32% cheaper than the new speed twin. Agree the new Speed Twin is a niche higher within it's class👌🏼
Cracking review spot on 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks NTP 😃👌👍
I was very convinced that I wanted the r9t but now with the new updates to the Speed twin, that choice just became very hard! Although there are things that the r9t lacks like a fuel gauge (miles left) Gear indicator, and tachometer, its the little things BMW chooses not to address for the modern riders like me who want old school looks but with all the technology. Also as someone else pointed out the suspension being lifted higher in the back for the speed twin making that downwards look, yeah I wish they hadn't done that!
Thank you mr Warner! Imo you should have added the NineT as a competitor.
Yea, agreed!
How does it compare with the Z900RS, value wise?
Excelent review, very informative as usual. Looks like Triumph is listening to their customers and have worked on the weaknesses of this model. How would you compare this to the BMW R1250R in terms of ride comfort? May it be a good alternative? (Beemers are sooo heavy...)
Yea, the 1250R is a more comfortable ride but is also like you said heavier...so it's a give and take 😒
edit: But you may also want to consider the RnineT too? 🤔
I need to try one of these, the Z900RS and the Ducati Monster
Thanks for helpful review. The chart is great but let’s please have your ranking of the bikes listed. The BMW R1250R has the option of active suspension (preload and damping) whereas it’s unclear whether Speed Twin suspension is adjustable? Also cruise control? I’m trying to decide between some of the bikes on the chart so would find ranking and rationale helpful please.
Thanks for the review, as always. Any plans on doing a Ducati Monster (the new version) review?
Sorry no. 😒
For the moment got an 900 RS but probably move to the Speed Twin next year😉
For the lower throttle disponibility and even if the wheight is the same, the Speed Twin is more compact and probably more flickable, nimble and fun on twisty roads😁 I think the rear tyre in 160 is a good thing and help the fun factor.
Beautiful but I like the previous generation 2021 better. Can’t go wrong either way.
Looks like everything I didn't like about the old model they have fixed, sweet. Now the Z900RS has a proper competitor! 👍
Yes it does indeed!
Hi love the video as always very nice.I’m currently in the market for an upgrade to the trident. And I’m torn between the street triple rs and the speed twin. What’s your take.
Thank you. Two totally different bikes. One is performance focus the other is roadster but performance as a side note.
ride safe,
Scott
P.S. the Street triple is the performance but the street twin is too but just a different little bit slower flavor. :)
@@NothingToProve thanks for the reply. Cheers
Not only is Z900 lowest on torque, it arrives at a high rpm. FTR and BMW and Ducati are all over 500 pounds. Triumph hits a great balance of hp/tq vs weight.
Nice review Scott. This bike is on my short list for sure. Curious why you left off the XSR900 in your comparison. I currently have one of those, as well as the Z900RS Cafe, and both are great bikes. But damn that XSR900 is one great bike. Awesome triple that performs and sounds great, and it;s lighter than the Kawi by about 40 lbs and has better brakes. The XSR should definitely be cross shopped with these Speed Twins. Speed Twin is way nicer looking, but the XSR can be made to look very nice with just a few aftermarket tweeks.
Thank you. There are many reasons as to why and why not a bike makes it onto the list and not, the XSR was one of those bikes that could have gone either way. 847cc, lowest in torque & in weight by far, so it's really a middleweight retro bike and does not punch with these heavyweights. It was a stretch to put the Z900RS on the list even though it is a middleweight but it is 101cc bigger, 20kg heavier and has 12Nm more torque than the XSR, so it made it (barely) on the list, also because I wanted at least 1 Japanese bike on the chart (diversity 😒).
take care,
Scott
P.S. Maybe I should take off the Z900RS and put on the CB1000R, then there'd be no middleweights on the heavyweight chart 😁 but then guys would argue that it's a naked bike, which I'd agree...lol.
@@NothingToProve Sorta makes sense, but the XSR900 does fit in with this group. It certainly is a step above the XSR700, Trident, etc. so ya can't really fit it in with those smaller bikes. It might not have the torque numbers of the bikes you list in this video, but the lower weight means it will run with all of these bikes from a performance standpoint. I certainly prefer it slightly over my Z900RS in almost every category except for maybe looks. Keep up the great detailed reviews!
The chart makes it alot easier to understand its place in the segment.
Unfortunatly the street twin looks much better than the speed twin in my opinion. I tested the speed twin and Z900RS and to be honest: I made my licence in the 1990 because of the GPZ900R. I started again because of the Z900RS. Nothing can beat a faster heartbeat. Z900RS is a keeper and still the king of retro sport bikes. Amen :-).
Great review. Why would you go with the T120 over the speed twin if you were looking at a classic roadster? Is there a noticeable difference in power with day to day riding?
Cheers
The feel and overall posture of this bike has changed to no longer a laid back roadster that can do some spirited riding to an aggressive attack mode pit bull, which is typical to a naked bike and not a roadster.
Motor: was mild but still had plenty of torque to pull out of a curve in any gear, now it just wants to spin up and go go go, faster faster faster.
Suspension: was mild but still could do some spirited riding, now just wants to go fast in a corner.
Brakes: were already good but now they are really good in fact, they are better than most naked bikes...which I won't complain about and like that part this gen 👍😁
So the problem with upgrading a roadster is where do you stop with the performance and tune of the engine and I think Triumph went just a little too far with both because at a certain point the character changes and that's what happened here.
gen 1 = Roadster
gen 2 = Naked (that looks like a classic roadster but doesn't feel like one)
Hence the thumb nail 😁
The T120 is still the T120 it was before, just improved but still the classic Bonneville, still has the same character.
ride safe,
Scott
edit: Yes, a noticeable difference in power and where it's at in the rev-range. T120 is much lower.
@@NothingToProve great response. Greatly appreciated
@@NothingToProve When you say the feel and overall posture of the gen 2 Speed Twin has changed when compared to gen 1, do you feel that is because the torque is available a bit lower down the rev range and the horse power increase, or something else I missed? I'm surprised that you wrote that you'd choose the T120 since you seemed to be loving the crazy torque of the SP here :D Great review :)
One of my few complaints is still that on/off throttle. I find it easier to keep it in Rain mode until I can get some fueling ECU flash or a booster plug. The flickability is so surprising. You still feel the weight at very low speed maneuvers but as soon as you get going, it wants to turn at the slightest suggestion. Very stable too. And the sound...
Ive just got one and unfortunately the Euro five restrictions mean no ECU flashes (anti tamper software) this means no booster plug and even aftermarket exhausts you have to use the smallest baffles, Decat is a pain as they have welded the pipes to the CAT I run mine on sport all the time but I have fitted the throttle spacer kit, seems to smooth out that snatchiness at low gears /speeds
I get it why it's significantly harder to decat, but how come you have to use the smallest baffles if so?
Hi Scott as always very good review
I have a question for you I’m not sure if this is the right place to do so but I could not find any other way to contact you privately.
Anyway I do ride Ducati monster 659 model which I believe is only available to Australia and it is restricted by factory to 50hp for new rider.
Cut the story short Im about to upgrade to middle range naked bike and. Im deciding between Ktm 890 or Ducati monster 2021
So I was wondering if you have any option/contact opportunity to do a review of the new Ducati monster I (we) would appreciated.Again I’m sorry to hijack this review with my request
Take care
Jiri Brisbane
Cruise control option and it will be perfect
I had gen1 and I loved it… for about 100 km. The seat is just not up to par! Also the rear shocks were not that good. The bike moved around when riding inspired.
Also a quick shifter and a cruise control would have been nice. You just can’t avoid the highways travelling to the good roads.
Otherwise it was great, really the essence of fun.
Yeah. Surely it wouldn’t have been too hard to add cruise control 🤔
I would have added the Trump Stree Scrambler as well
Why didn’t you have the specs for the. BMW R9T as BMW’s direct competitor?
Hi Scott, Im unable to get a test ride on the speed twin and I happen to own the same 2022 BMW R 1250 RT, same color as you. For a second bike please tell me which 2022 model would you choose and want to keep for a while. Would it be the speed twin or the T120? Thanks for your help! Love the channel.
Right now I'd take the Bonnie because I'm moving more towards a more comfortable and a more relaxed ride. Just the engine character is different, even though they are the same engine, Triumph tuned them differently and I can really feel it. The speed is more aggressive, the "let's go go go" mentality, the Bonnie is more relaxed but still has the power if you want it. And I guess as I grow older, I like to relax when I ride but still have the occasional "need for speed" and the Bonnie does that just fine for me 😁👍
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve You just saved me a boat load of money. Thanks for your time and great advice Scott. Going with the T120
I'm really curious, would you personally go with the gen 2 Speed Twin, the gen 1 Speed Twin, or the T120, if you had to choose between them? :)
gen 2 T120 over the gen 2 Speed Twin, but gen 1 Speed Twin over gen 1 T120 😁
@@NothingToProve Oh really, gen 2 T120 over Speed Twin? You seemed to have so much fun with the ST's torque in this review! :D
Don't know they keep the stamped seams on the tank.
So the big question remains: this or the Z900RS (SE or standard)? I see both have left quite an impression on you Scott..
This, cause it has a little bit more character and the sound is much better too.
👍
Euro 5 did us a favor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW
The Speed Twin in Meriden days was always a 500. Supercedid in 1949 by the 650 Thunderbird.
Even pre war the go faster bike was the Tiger 100.w
The Speed Twin in 1937 revolutionised the British motorcycle industry as the world's first mass produced popular parallel twin. Having girder forks and a rigid frame, there is nothing similar or in common with this bike except 2 cylinders and name only.
Edit, great review, enjoyed that.
Which one would you rather take home - SpeedTwin, Z900RS or r1250R? Thank you!
Speed!
Nichts zu beweisen - Nothing to prove!
Upside down fork and no more Gummiüberzug lol.
Great looking bike in red & black, with that extra performance.
How Does riding a bike like this feel compared to a bike like the mt07 that’s notorious for its torque ? I know the mt07 is lighter but does this feel much more torque rich? Or ? Hard to gauge
Oh this has way more torque and you can really feel it too.
Could you ride this bike for a long time as in 4-6 hours without any issues? Or would you be terribly sore?
About 3 hours was my limit on this, then I needed to take a break from the hard seat. So it really depends on you ")
Ride safe,
Scott
@@NothingToProve thanks for the reply! Ride safe.
How is seat comfort on long rides? I thought the speed twin had cruise control standard?
Not good. And nope no cruise control 🙄
great bike, one issue, no cruise control = no sale, need cruise control to many speed zones
Sounds like you need a T120 to cruise.
Slap on some Ohlins in the rear and slip-ons and it will be a contender
Yep, agreed!
Not sure about being blessed by Euro regs as they kill the engine smoothness at low rpm and when engaging the throttle especially in corners which upsets the balance unless you feather the clutch. I’d strongly recommend anyone thinking of buying this fantastic bike to get the previous model and fit a booster plug which you can’t do to the new model.
Not sure about a few things there boss. It's the exact same bike with better brakes, forks,wheels and tires, and
makes more power in stock form before mods.Once modified in all the same ways as the earlier model can be, it's an even better machine. Those booster plugs are a waste of time and money, just like all the fancy expensive exhausts people think thier gaining power with. I've done around 25 mods to my '22 so far and I bet it'd dust off any older model Speed Twin with ease. Still has the stock mufflers with the baffles pulled and a cat delete x-pipe. Moving the factory temp sensor away from the exhaust will accomplish the same nothing you think that booster plug does.
@@andrewbecker3700 I think you’re confusing the bike with a pimped up sports bike where the only focus is the power figures. No one is interested in that since they left school. My point about the booster plug is that it make the slow speed power delivery so much smoother and therefore the bike is much easier to ride.
@@Cuzzazbuzz Left school in late '84 to work and start a family. Been a mechanic and avid hot rodder for over 30 years. My point is exactly the essence of the term "hot rodding". Which IMHO means taking whatever you have or can afford, and making it faster and better looking for minimal outlay. Then blowing some slicksters doors off in front of all his posier buddies! Going faster for less and lookn good doing it. How each of us accomplishes that is up for debate. Some people spend tall bank on gimmick mods that do little to nothing for performance. Actually learning what makes power and what hurts it is something 85% of the slicksters out there will never grasp. It's a known fact the Speed Twin has a plenty rich fuel curve from the factory, and if you don't live at sea level, which very few of us do. Somehow tricking the ECU into adding even more fuel can only hurt power and most of all throttle response. Also, the stock mufflers are designed to work good with the factory tune throughout a wide powerband, not just W.O.T. Louder does not mean better.
Would you buy this or what instead?
11:18 if I wanted to keep up with some naked guys…I lost that race at birth
quick shifter is missing
whats your height
Speed twin or z900rs? 🙏🏻☺️
Speed! 👍😁
I don't know. Can't make up my mind about this bike from Triumph. It just seems to be nowhere in terms of what it offers. Nothing particularly good stands out. Perhaps I'm being unfair, but for me it would still be the Kawasaki Z900RS or even the BMW RNineT, but never ridden it or indeed the old Thuxton R and now RS yes, or the Speed and Street Triple, Speed Triple RS, old and new, yes, and even the Bonneville Speedmaster yes. These all seem to be quite distinct bikes in their own right that have definite characteristics some of which they do very well, that say buy me, but this Speed Twin just doesn't do anything for me. Sorry. Would there be any chance you could get hold of a Triumph Speedmaster to review Scott? I know you like cruisers and loving the look of this bike. It looks beautiful.
I just rode it this week and the video will be up next week!!! :)
@@NothingToProve Great. Shall be watching it!
It's a great looking bike, but why did they make the tank and decals and side panels slant downwards?
I really don't like that.
It`s the rear suspension that gives it that kicked up the arse look.
The Street Twin doesn`t have this and I think it looks better for it.
If I bought one I`d lower the rear with some shorter units.
I’m wondering if the Street Twin would be enough. 900 cc. ?
No Sir! only 1200 makes the cut .... believe me, i have ridden the Street-Twin (900) -- feels under-powered & low on torque.
i am thinking of Harley Sportster-S 1250 as my 3rd bike after Duke 390 & Trident-660
This or Z900RS?
This 👍
Is it a bike for tall riders? 6 1
You might get a little cramped in the knees on long rides, but just stop & smell the roses every once in a while 😊
Honestly...I'm pretty sure the only noticeable difference from the original Speed Twin is the Brembro brakes. Really, you're not going to convince me you're able to tell the difference in torque. All sales mumbo jumbo.
Concordo
No, i don't agree, the front suspesion is a big upgrade, the original is way to soft and needs upgrading before you you even ride it. The marzoggi is a whole lot better and a big improvement ❤❤❤
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Technically every bike with out fairings is a naked bike.
Ah, actually the term "naked" began about 3 decades ago with the launch of the Monster & Speed Triple & later the Aprilia Tuono (which is an stripped down RSV4) and it was more about an up-right riding position and increased performance over the standard bike. This is why today we have several "nakeds" with quarter/half fairings. The Tuono being a key example here and being one of the original "nakeds" because it is about "half faired" when it was launched back in 2002 and still today...love the Tuono btw...it's my favorite Super Naked bike. (Actually Triumph publicly claims to have created the term "naked" with the Speed Triple but Ducati strongly disagrees and Aprilia is just laughing at both of them and is making the best Super Naked today, imho. 😁)
ride safe,
Scott
@@NothingToProve thanks for the informative reply👍 very interesting. What about the term street fighter? I noticed the "sport nakeds" were and are being called street fighters. I like that term better. The more upright riding position with raised handle bars (not too high) instead of clip ons.
That's marketing pure and simple. It's a newer term that has come out in the last few years to up the ante so to speak because the Super Nakeds are getting so high in performance, pretty much right there with the 1000cc sport bikes. And again Ducati is using this new "marketing" term and actually calling their new Super Naked "Street Fighter" in 2020. So a few years from now Ducati will be saying that they created the "Street Fighter" term, just like they say they created the "naked" bike category we have today. 🤣🤣🤣
@@NothingToProve yep, i agree. It's just like music but in a different way. People say x band created/started heavy metal but actually the people started calling it such or punk rock started with x band etc etc i could go on and on about this but i just call it rock and roll with different styles. So with that being said I'll call my triumph speedmaster a naked cruiser 🤘😎
İt has More power than T 120, lighter, same price; who will buy T 120?
T120 has cruise control and better options for bags and touring, and T120 is slightly larger / heavier, good for freeway miles.
For the past eighteen months most (every?) person who reviews a new model omits important information: How many are actually being produced and where are they available?
Muted, horrible looking exhaust systems, twitchy throttles, and gear ratios that don't make sense. Euro 5 is no blessing.