Poor man's Diamond. Why so cheap?

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  • @ninawernick6501
    @ninawernick6501 Рік тому +27

    I am delighted that the cost is coming down - moissanite is so very beautiful, and it's just nice to be able to have beautiful things.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +4

      It's a very good alternative to diamond due to its hardness. Not as hard as Diamond, but still harder and brighter than Sapphire.

    • @roden70
      @roden70 Рік тому +2

      It's a beautiful stone. I have a princess cut one which I'm going to set in a ring. The sparkle is incredible!

    • @polymathica
      @polymathica Рік тому +4

      I absolutely love moissanite! Both the sparkle and the price. I can have my big ol’ dream ring in moissanite at the same price as another woman’s teeny-tiny 1 carat diamond. Middle class opulence! And yes, it’s not quite as scratch resistant as diamond, but it’s less susceptible to chips from impacts. And I love all the colors and double rainbows that moissanite fires out. I am literally plotting to sell all my diamond jewelry to replace them with moissanite and invest the difference in stocks.

    • @kaynef6637
      @kaynef6637 Рік тому

      Such a lovely thing to say

    • @Regurgitatingnineoclocknews
      @Regurgitatingnineoclocknews 7 місяців тому +1

      I have 2 diamond princess cut moosenite if any one wants to buy them

  • @daleclark3138
    @daleclark3138 5 місяців тому +5

    My first moisannite was a one 6.5mm round cut I bought in 2005 for US $200. Bought some cheap green hue stones from India in 2018 but sizes and weights were not standard. Really great in 2024 to buy nice clear relatively colorless 6.5 mm, 8mm and larger for $12.50 to $80 from Chinese sources. Even found a 9mm 3.5 carat cushion cut for $55. Only less expensive stones of interest now are lab grown ruby, sapphire and pink sapphire. No good reason to use CZ with these mohs 9 to 9.25 stones being so affordable today. Good video. Good info

  • @MacTX
    @MacTX Рік тому +36

    I remember when Moissanite was an exclusive product of Charles & Colvard here in the US decades ago. They held patents on the production and no one else could offer it so they controlled the market price. $2,500 USD per carat for slightly colored (faint yellow) Moissanite was the going rate. They were still much more affordable compared to natural diamonds, but no where near what they cost today. Today, you could get better quality near colorless for less than $100.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +11

      True. Makes you wonder in 20 years time what will man made diamond will be worth.

    • @roden70
      @roden70 Рік тому +1

      ​@@VintageTimeGems What do you think will happen to the price?

    • @thatsawesome2060
      @thatsawesome2060 Рік тому +5

      I am waiting lab diamond becoming as cheap as this, because basically the base material it's just carbon I don't see why the price not going down when China start mass manufacturing it.

    • @roden70
      @roden70 Рік тому +4

      @@thatsawesome2060 It probably will get a lot cheaper. And lab made diamonds are ethically a good choice (no blood diamomds).

    • @raphaelmorgan2307
      @raphaelmorgan2307 Рік тому +3

      @@roden70 yup. I've seen some people be like "no I want *real diamonds*" and that confuses me so much. why pay more specifically to have slaves forced to mine your diamond? I purposefully got a lab made diamond for my spouse's engagement ring and I still would have if I could have afforded the mined ones.

  • @jeffholmes1362
    @jeffholmes1362 Рік тому +7

    Nice to see another video from you Cliff, and a fascinating video it was. Really well done

  • @lewisgraham4235
    @lewisgraham4235 Рік тому

    Brilliant result Cliff. This reminds me of a champagne diamond. The scintillation you have achieved here is remarkable.

  • @brianlawson363
    @brianlawson363 Рік тому +6

    They have actually designed the accompanying "report" to be near identical to the laboratory report issued by The Gemological Institute of America/GIA. As far as I am concerned this is fraudulent. I can't stress enough how important it is for the gem and jewelry buying public to educate themselves to include videos like those you produce to prevent theft and dishonest sales practices. Great job.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +4

      Seems to be no international laws to protect companies against China these days. Imagine what China could do to the Diamond industry?

  • @johnh8615
    @johnh8615 Рік тому +1

    Nice . Another video from my favourite gem cutter. Thank you Cliff.👍

  • @honeyebby
    @honeyebby Рік тому +1

    You did an awesome with making your moissanite. Makes me want to check out chocolate diamonds. I remember when everyone was crazy over those

  • @tonywild1963
    @tonywild1963 Рік тому +2

    Great to see you again cliff, this was a very interesting video and I always wanted to know the difference and are gems fake when they are at a low price. Hope you make some more videos soon.

  • @unity2BC
    @unity2BC Рік тому +1

    Great to watch that moissanite cut ,like the colour of stone also .

  • @seymourpro6097
    @seymourpro6097 Рік тому +6

    In the mining and minerals industry an XRF tester can easily check the elements present in a sample. It's possible to hire them and you may find one locally to you that the owner will use for you to do a test of elemental composition. Biggest advantage is that it's a non destructive test.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому

      Great tip..I believe XRF testers are very expensive. A specific gravity test kit would do the job also. Cheers Cliff

    • @dinalou8827
      @dinalou8827 Рік тому

      A qualified gem expert can tell if its moissanite with a loupe. Very different from natural diamonds and other stimulants

  • @roden70
    @roden70 Рік тому +6

    Beautiful stone and cut. It's always a little miracle to see a stone blob made into a beautiful gem. How long did the whole process take?

  • @jenniferfox301
    @jenniferfox301 Рік тому +3

    That is a beautifully cut gemstone, be it natural or man-made. Polished to perfection, any inclusions just make it prettier, to me. UK 🇬🇧

  • @barry7608
    @barry7608 Рік тому +1

    Thanks and I have subscribed. I have some nice, personally dug from the ground Zircon's from Gemtree in central Oz. My wife and I spent a day on the field and found a really large stone almost white and some more smaller ones. I arranged to get the large stone cut by the cutter at Gemtree who advised it was such a nice stone it needed to be cut by someone who knew Zircon. Well its a beautiful stone which I had set in 18ct gold with nice Italian chain. My question, do you cut Zircon as I'm keen to have the remainder cut. If not are you able to advise a suitable gem cutter? I live on the Central Coast of NSW but am happy to post if you can help.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому

      I facet for enjoyment and as a hobby. I would contact your local gem club and ask if they have a gem cutter to facet for you. Thanks for the sub. Cheers Cliff

    • @barry7608
      @barry7608 Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems good oh thanks I'll shop around.

  • @markcumbriauk
    @markcumbriauk 5 місяців тому

    I loved watching you cut the stone, very interesting how its done.

  • @Rikaishi
    @Rikaishi Рік тому +2

    Hi, we loved the video and my mum now wants to buy one of these mossanites for her collection but we expect the chance of getting glass from a random seller is still somewhat high. Can you please reveal which sellers you bought from?

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому

      If you watch the video the name of too sellers on Aliexpress are listed.

  • @emmanuels6765
    @emmanuels6765 9 місяців тому

    Nice video, how did you get into cutting jewelery/gems? And creating it from scratches, I'd like to learn seems fascinating to me and creative., thanks.

  • @pkgoldopalhunting
    @pkgoldopalhunting Рік тому +2

    Great info mate thats how it goes now days, some times not worth the time buying rough and cutting it when you can but cut stones cheaper and just set them into rings etc

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      There is no point faceting rough moissanite when these gems are cheaper. The Chinese just mass produce and are happy to sell high volumes at low prices. Pretty much there business model for the last 50 years.

    • @pkgoldopalhunting
      @pkgoldopalhunting Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems true mate

  • @eric146999
    @eric146999 10 місяців тому +1

    Great information thanks for everything appreciate your valuable time

  • @jamiecurran3544
    @jamiecurran3544 Рік тому

    I'm glad I seen this video it was very interesting and I was thinking about purchasing some of these myself for a while now, you've convinced me on the subject thanks!😁✌️
    The one you faceted looks amazing also I like the colour n think imperfections in the stone add character!🤩👍

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +2

      I saw a nice tennis chain that was Moissanite and that was cheap also. I suspect man made diamonds mass produced has to be the next best thing or maybe there is another synth gem that is about to hit the market that is harder than Moissanite and looks as good as a Diamond. Moissanite is the same as Cubic Zirconia it's dirt cheap!

  • @Jacquestherock...houndrookie

    A very informative video... Thank You. Did you also check the clarity, cut grade, culet and polish for accuracy?

  • @tonysoprano4923
    @tonysoprano4923 2 місяці тому

    Very nice and informative video. I also ordered some moissanite from TEMU at incredibly low prices. I bought stones for less than 10 euros, loose stones and processed (ear studs). The quality is hard to believe for me as a layman. In this respect, I am curious to see how long it will take for China to intervene in the market for lab-grown diamonds. If the prices for this product also fall as sharply as for moissanites, the dealers in New York and Antwerp will be furious.

  • @patpierce4854
    @patpierce4854 Рік тому +3

    I’ve tried to match those GRA numbers to web sites myself, and never seemed to match the right site. I just enjoy the flash and firepower from the inexpensive items I bought; if I’m driving on a cloudy day, when a little bit of sun peeks through the clouds into my car and contact one of those stones, it shoots rainbows through the whole car! Even on a blue sky full sunny day, my natural emerald and two triangular diamonds engagement ring can’t come anywhere near the fireworks from one of those Ali Express moissanites.

  • @adelfomarrero8723
    @adelfomarrero8723 6 місяців тому

    Nice work sir,just beautiful. Thank for your video.l am a buyer of moissinite stones from china.

  • @ToniRyanNJ
    @ToniRyanNJ Рік тому

    Great video! Curious, did all those outer envelopes have the same grammatical error as the first one that you showed ("it's" instead of "its" before "eternal flame")?

  •  Рік тому +2

    I also bought a few "moissanites" from aliexpress few months ago, indeed very cheap. I have no equipment to check if it's actually moissanite or not but I was a bit disappointed about the supposed higher dispersion that it should have compared to diamond. I will try the scratch test with synthetic ruby

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      I found the scintillation very much like diamond. Very happy with the product.

    •  Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems Thing is I never had the chance to compare to an actual 2 ct diamond ahah

    • @roundpenguin3072
      @roundpenguin3072 Рік тому +1

      I also bought some super cheap ones. I tested them and they are genuine, but dimensionally they did not fit perfectly. I didn't look to see if the GRA fit, but a few fellow buyers wrote in their reviews that they weren't even marked. In the end, I have quite nice stainless steel jewelry from them for everyday use.

  • @StudioLB
    @StudioLB 6 місяців тому

    What piano music is that playing at the end? TIA

  • @EdHunter55
    @EdHunter55 Рік тому

    But if the coating is fooling the gem tester would it not also affect the scratch test? Coatings like these on glass or PVD on steel etc. are getting better by the day and already are very impressive in their scratch resistance

  • @paulcooper8818
    @paulcooper8818 Рік тому

    Hi Cliff, Wouldn't a specific gravity test be able to distinguish Moissanite from coated glass?

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +5

      Yep, but you can tell the difference by weight in the hand.

  • @michaelt.9372
    @michaelt.9372 Рік тому +5

    I live near meteor crater and it’s impressive how close the meteor came to hitting the visitor center without actually hitting it.

    • @Simonjose7258
      @Simonjose7258 Рік тому

      You're stupid 😂✌(that's how we say You're Funny in NYC)

  • @MikeG-js1jt
    @MikeG-js1jt 9 місяців тому

    I think currently the rough is more than the cut...unless you know a proper source for the rough?

  • @GwynneDear
    @GwynneDear 7 місяців тому

    I have an antique cut diamond, the real deal, and I was told by a reputable jeweler that he couldn’t sell it. Thanks moissanite!

  • @tony56234
    @tony56234 Рік тому

    Very good video mate Very helpful

  • @williamaycock579
    @williamaycock579 Рік тому +2

    It would seem since they’re so cheap it might be worth it to do destructive testing to definitively prove it’s not coated. Chop one of the cheap ones in half and test it in the middle.

  • @dinalou8827
    @dinalou8827 Рік тому

    Moissanite is doubly refractive which is apparent when observing the pavilion facets through the table facet with a 10x loupe. If its not doubly refractive then its more likely to be cz or another synthetic material. This phenoma is clearly visible in the faceted brownish material at the end of the video.

  • @keza3250
    @keza3250 Рік тому +1

    ONE QUESTION CLIFF,is it man made mossanite or real mossanite/real mossanite is found in Australia an Sri Lanka,
    The dog with chains was gold ha ha

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      It was found originally in a crater in the USA in Arizona in 1893 by Noble Prize winning French scientist Henri Moissan.

    • @keza3250
      @keza3250 Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems never knew that,ya learn something every day ha ha thanks mate was just curious, its gotta be man made if from china for sure

  • @on5samsung72
    @on5samsung72 Рік тому +3

    It tirn out Eddie is the actual scammer, lol.

  • @kimholcomb6943
    @kimholcomb6943 Рік тому +5

    The only certificate that is real is GIA. I got my certification from GIA Gemological Institute of America as a professional jeweler

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +6

      I agree. The GRA certificates are a bit of a novelty. Although, for a cheap gem the manufacturers/seller give out bang for buck. When moissanite was super expensive a certificate would be a good idea. Imagine what the Chinese will do when synth diamonds are mass produced.

    • @kimholcomb6943
      @kimholcomb6943 Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems I actually bought a couple of moisinite diamond rings I used my moisinite tester and it passed. However there are moisinite diamonds that are pretty expensive. The process for making moisinite has vastly improved. If you want to make sure that your diamond is ethically clean, this is the way to go. Today's real diamonds carry a certification number to show that it is ethically clean.

    • @javierrodriguez2863
      @javierrodriguez2863 Рік тому

      Bull, they monopolise the market

  • @Ciceroinvencoeseartes
    @Ciceroinvencoeseartes Рік тому

    Excelente trabalho amigo 👍❤️👍👏👏👏👏👏

  • @vincenthazelaar8679
    @vincenthazelaar8679 Рік тому

    How do you judge the cutting quality of these chinese stones? Compared to for instance diamonds.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      In my opinion they get a 7-8 out of 10 for cutting. The meet points need to be better, but the polish is good.

    • @vincenthazelaar8679
      @vincenthazelaar8679 Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems wow quite good especially for the price. Thanks.

  • @CarolynMcPherson-r3z
    @CarolynMcPherson-r3z 8 місяців тому

    1This is very interesting. Thanks!

  • @20melon20
    @20melon20 Рік тому

    Are you keeping that as a keepsake ❤

  • @DanMaker
    @DanMaker Рік тому

    despite the flaws, I really like the color.

  • @edwins2595
    @edwins2595 Рік тому

    As a Gemologist and a colored stone faceter what the diamond semi-monopoly has to worry about is man-made diamond not moissanite, cubic zirconia, or any other stimulant. The price of moissanite will continue to drop until the rough becomes available to hobbyists and then it will be sold for pennies per carat rough like cubic zirconia

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому

      Yes, it will be interesting if man made diamond will be mass produced and kill off the industry. I agree at some point moissanite will be like Cubic Zirconia will be dirt cheap.

  • @TonysGemDesignswithGCS
    @TonysGemDesignswithGCS Рік тому +2

    Great Video! Are you going to cut that Moissanite I gave you?

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      Yep...When I get more time.

    • @TonysGemDesignswithGCS
      @TonysGemDesignswithGCS Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems Yeah, I know how that goes.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      @@TonysGemDesignswithGCS Been getting the motorbike license which I got several weeks ago. Work and family are taking up time. I want to facet a few more eye designs this year if possible.

    • @TonysGemDesignswithGCS
      @TonysGemDesignswithGCS Рік тому +1

      @@VintageTimeGems Trying to cut more myself. And get to the QLD gem fields, 3/4 way there at moment. I will have a eye like design for you in a while is not mine.

  • @Lilredridinghood555
    @Lilredridinghood555 7 місяців тому

    Actually I am not seeing going down in the USA. I need a 3 carat and lowest I can find is $1100 it’s too much

  • @luapynneb3069
    @luapynneb3069 9 місяців тому

    The problem is if or when they start cloning GIA certified stones, then there's nothing stopping a person buying a GIA certified stone in the USA, and have a China seller clone it for you! then sell the clone back to the USA seller keeping the original or selling it at a later date.

  • @DoobyDubNCG
    @DoobyDubNCG Рік тому +3

    nice video! i didnt know there was natural Moissanite in nature!

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +2

      Yes it can be found in nature. Most likely worth more than natural diamond as it's so rare.

  • @consciencewhisperer6976
    @consciencewhisperer6976 5 місяців тому

    All of mine turned yellow over time

  • @Anthropologist316
    @Anthropologist316 Рік тому

    I hv lots of collections of this stone

  • @ТолянКвашнин
    @ТолянКвашнин Рік тому +1

    Очень важный фильм! Жаль что нет перевода на русский язык,видно кому то это не выгодно.Конечно это национальным мошенникам !

  • @okthen4820
    @okthen4820 Рік тому

    thanks for the good video

  • @TedSmatha
    @TedSmatha 2 місяці тому

    I like this topic ,it's seems more like starting from nothing

  • @denisemarle4141
    @denisemarle4141 4 місяці тому

    Thank You Cliff... another Aussie here and this is just the info. I was looking for as I'm about to purchase a 9mmx9mm, collet set moissanite pendant. The old mine cushion cut is hard to find and more expensive, it was the same on the websites you showed.
    I'm going for moissanite as they are beautiful, I was given a gift of a Charles & Colvard channel set gold ring some years ago, almost the same as one I purchased in Hong Kong with diamonds back in the 1980's. They are good diamonds and you cannot tell the difference between the stones. I would never buy diamonds again, for anyone that's not sure, I can say moissanites are the way to go, just make sure of the seller and read reviews!
    I intended to buy a stone and have it made here, as I have gold from rings that no longer fit.. it was still too expensive. 🦘

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  4 місяці тому

      You can't go wrong with Moissanite. It looks great, and hard wearing and has the diamond like qualities.

  • @starthompson3557
    @starthompson3557 8 місяців тому

    Better diamond test them to make sure they are real cuhz thats funky

  • @matthewhuszarik4173
    @matthewhuszarik4173 Рік тому

    If it is a fake diamond who cares if it is a real fake or another fake? As long as it looks good, lasts a reasonable length of time, and is cheap.

  • @alldayeveryday6464
    @alldayeveryday6464 Рік тому +1

    Noo this guy is coming N

  • @TheTillmanSneakerReview
    @TheTillmanSneakerReview Рік тому +1

    I love it when scammers get angry when they lose money. Paying $800 for fake stone is absurd.

  • @kaynef6637
    @kaynef6637 Рік тому +2

    So what’s really going on is that the only person ripping people off is Eddie , sounds like he’s been ripping people off and he’s just having a cry cause he lost his cash cow 😂

  • @planethopper335
    @planethopper335 Рік тому

    The point Eddy was making was that the stones were glass and coated with moissanite

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      Did you actually watch the video?

    • @planethopper335
      @planethopper335 Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems yes if they were glass and coated with something harder. A more convincing test would have been to use a diamond grit polish to remove, the, if any coating. I thought the stones were moissanite.

    • @janneliimatainen6186
      @janneliimatainen6186 7 місяців тому +1

      @@planethopper335 if they were glass inside, every individual glass piece would need to be faceted to precise size before coating.. (you can´t make a bulk piece of coated glass..when you start cutting and faceting glass comes every time to surface in some areas!). and after coating they need to cut and faceted again.. I think this as a process would be more costly and time consuming than cutting and faceting a bulk piece of true moissanite.

  • @davidariamirroarkyoung
    @davidariamirroarkyoung Рік тому +1

    Harlem Bling is absolutely overpriced and there is countless videos where he just doesn't know or more likely is flat out lying.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +1

      I'd imagine the cost to run a business in the US would be massive, so you would have to charge more. I believe Eddie gets his necklaces made in Italy and the stones come from China. Not sure about the tennis chains though. They are really coming down in price.

    • @davidariamirroarkyoung
      @davidariamirroarkyoung Рік тому

      @@VintageTimeGems they are almost all made in China and yes the costs of equipment rough and schooling training is outrageous I live in a area of California that is similar prices to NYC the smallest studio apt in not the best neighborhood starts at $1,200.00 a month plus utilities to rent a room is starting $900.00 a month plus utilities. To buy a three bedroom house that isn't dilapidated just in ok condition in any neighborhoods in area starts at $400,000.00 and up to a few millions I am literally talking about the cheapest area to average not higher end middle class for areas and lower within a hour range. So it is outrageous prices and I don't expect to go to any restaurant with wife and kids and have bill with tip less then $100.00 usually higher McDonald's or burger king is usually at least $60.00 minimum and there is signs in many restaurants windows that says dishwasher wanted full time $20 hour no experience needed. But honestly if you're single it is extremely hard and almost impossible without government assistance or housing someone making $20.00 a hour full time could live on thier own here it is a very sad truth the wages are dramatically below the costs of living. I'm lucky and blessed and know that my family is. We have our bills covered me and lif partner are retired and live comfortably and I play with rocks crystals and minerals all day because I love it. My son's are grown but still in college and love having them home since going to both be professors and work full time to pay their transportation tuition and such.

  • @fannywayne1920
    @fannywayne1920 Рік тому +2

    Eddie lies anyone who knows jewelry knows this

  • @Utube1024
    @Utube1024 Рік тому

    Moissanite has more fire than diamond.

  • @LAMEBOY88
    @LAMEBOY88 4 місяці тому

    Eddie himself orders a lot from alibaba.

  • @StudioLB
    @StudioLB 6 місяців тому

    *E-slaps Eddie*

  • @europadmoon
    @europadmoon 9 місяців тому

    I think of moissanite as the working woman's diamond... Beautiful and affordable.

  • @RalfStephan
    @RalfStephan Рік тому

    You haven't refuted the claim that they are glass coated with Moissanite, I admit such coating would not be possible cheap but still.

    • @VintageTimeGems
      @VintageTimeGems  Рік тому +4

      The Zircon would have scratched through the coating unless it was coated with something harder which I doubt. Glass also has a specific weight and it just doesn't weigh the same as glass in the hand. Glass doesn't refract light at the angles these gems were cut at either. It's Moissanite....

    • @szymonjastrzebski2909
      @szymonjastrzebski2909 Рік тому

      ​@@VintageTimeGems I kinda agree and kinda don't. I think that definitive test would be to cut the gem via diamond abrasives and testing the freshly revealed surface with diamond tester and scratch test. But the refraction would indeed be significantly different as there'd be refraction going from air to coating, from coating to glass, from glass to coating and from coating to glass

    • @szymonjastrzebski2909
      @szymonjastrzebski2909 Рік тому

      ​@@VintageTimeGems I kinda agree and kinda don't. I think that definitive test would be to cut the gem via diamond abrasives and testing the freshly revealed surface with diamond tester and scratch test. But the refraction would indeed be significantly different as there'd be refraction going from air to coating, from coating to glass, from glass to coating and from coating to glass

  • @eric146999
    @eric146999 10 місяців тому

    Sub today thank you