How much weight does it take to right a Hobie 14
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Here, we're going to find out.
In more wind you need less weight.
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Very informative, thanks Joe! Keep the Hobie 14 content coming!
Thanks!
Fun stuff man. So beautiful there. Even a no-wind day like that. And to be way out there and it only a few feet deep. VERY cool.
Yes, we're very lucky to have this great venue to sail in. A very easy launch and a very good size area to sail in.
Very good. Thanks for the video.
Thank you too!
I just went all by myself for the 1st time ever here in Chicagoland. I have a small lake that about 10 feet deep. Now I have to capsize it and try to right it. I weigh 168 lbs but I'm buying the water bag just in case. 😆 thanks for the video, really appreciate it.
Great stuff. Good luck!
Good job
Thanks
I am around 70kg and can right my H14 turbo by myself on a zero wind day, but only just. I never used to be able to do it, but then I tried having a loop in the righting line and hooking into it with my trapeze harness and it worked. It allows you to lean right back and get your arms back as well, so your CofG is further out, a few bounces and up it comes. Give it a try! Thanks for all your videos, I have learned heaps.
yes - that sounds like it would add just enough to bring the 14 up.
Great tip. Thanks.
It's Interesting to see these tests, I personally haven't had much success with the bag and prefer to use a righting pole (other boat, not a 14), but watching at the video I see that I apply the same technique as Johnny, pushing the bag behind my back. I think Helena's technique might be better, she managed to extend the bag more or less up to her waist but she extended her torso further out compared to Johnny.
yes, perhaps I need to test these two techniques against each other with the same sailor.
When I saw the main submerged into the water I immediately came with an idea, that maybe sheeting in should help righting her, as the mainsail will stay above the water surface. With so little wind and bows pointing towards the win there should be no risk of boat sailing away on her own because of such mainsheet configuration.
Yes, that did come to mind - i think there would still be some adhesion between the sail and the water. One takeaway from this is - don't capsize when there's no wind!
Hello Joseph, before starting the hobie, I was very pleased to watch your video with a lot of positivity :)
but now, since I started it, I find great video and tips even more interesting
Very nice from you to share your passion
Thank you very much my friend
Thanks,
I'm at wildwind.co.uk on the greek island of lefkada
great
Thanks!!!
Hi Joe. I live in Miami and I recently bought a Hobie 16 that comes with an “Easy righting” line all around the pylons. Can you do a video demonstration how to use it or explain it in your Q&A? Thank you so much. We really enjoy and appreciate all what you do!
Hi,
You should find a demonstration of that method - we call it the Hawaiian system - in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/oHIcLc7pssc/v-deo.html
I weigh 180 pounds and can right a Hobie 16 solo.
@@researchcaptI have a Hobie 16 and weigh significantly more than that but can only right it in a zero or low wind environment. In high wind it doesn’t even move.
Joe! How did you get the boat into that position for the test run? I appreciate your videos and You!
Having someone hold on to the front and then hanging off the trapeze wire - easier than you'd think.
Also note, the mast float may prevent a turtle capsize, but produces a torque acting against you, making it harder to right it.
Yeah, we fitted it to our 14 as it was capsizing so frequently that we wanted to save time with the inversions.
65 KG here, I use a bag for sure. Technique is everything though. Bag looked too high in the demo? Bag can be in the water (no weight) with legs bent, straighten legs (squat) and bag lifts clear of water. I use a mast float too as mostly solo. Bag not going to help in a turtle so float is gold. Good video.
Very good technique tip there - i'll be sure to use that next time.
Thanks
What if she laid really low with a weight backpack, more straight kegged and rocked back and forth? Maybe floating the sail on a pfd so no suction between the sail and the powerful surface area of water??
Yes, a water bag would have done the trick here. Here's the bag in action ua-cam.com/video/1UyUZOP94-8/v-deo.htmlsi=50yQldz8YaYUzoKV
Can it be that you do not need to pull the bag that high up? In principle it just has to clear the water only when you hang yourself out. The trick would be how to let the rope slide along your shoulder when going down.
good point.
Bonjour, en français : le problème est le même qu avec la voile de planche ! faire glisser la voile sur l eau pour qu elle se décolle plus facilement . Tactic : 1° se déplacer vers l arrière du cadre. 2° avant que l arrière ne plonge trop et que l on glisse à l eau se déplacer rapidement vers l avant qui va planter à son tour, environ entre étrave et cadre. 3° ce mouvement de balancier arr--av fait faire une rotation horizontale d'~ 1/4 de tour et le simple vent apparent créé s engouffre sous la voile ce qui permet de la décoller de l eau et là... En régate le poids minimum est de 68 kg pour permettre 1° de redresser facilement 2° de ne pas favoriser les poids plus légers ! Ne pas oublier que c est le trampoline qui fait girouette dans le vent . CQFD .Xian 25 ans compétitions HC 14, 16, 18, 21😂
That's very interesting is that 68kg is the minimum for racing but also so that the sailor is heavy enough to bring the boat upright.
Thanks again.
I just righted a hobie 14 turbo for the first time yesterday, no float, no wind. I am 160lbs (73 kg). I am guessing the float adds quite a bit.
Yes, just looking at it, it must make it harder.
Hi Joe! As parents very often ask questions on forums about adding a bob to the mast in misconception of safety it gives, could you please make a video on that topic?
As far as i understand, the only safety issue it solves is preventing mast damage at shallow and wavy conditions. But as it is often added to kid’s cats, they need much more weight ti right it than with bare mast/sails, up to extreme of inability to actually right it.
Ideally, it would be great to see how much extra weight is needed to right a cat with bob compared to bare mast one.
Hi Dennis,
great question - in fact i'd prefer to answer in tomorrow's Q+A (1730 greek time) but it'll be available to view afterwards.
Cheers
A mast float stops the boat from going completely turtle, which becomes a more difficult situation for lighter sailors. This is especially true if the mast floods.
@@researchcapt well, in my experience on HC16, i can bring it from turtle to it’s side alone. Yep, I’m about 90 kilos.
And yes, watertight mast is a must. In every situation.
So, yes, while bob is an option and has it’s pros and cons, the key point is it is often misunderstood. So for me it was rather a proposal to de-mystify it.
She needs to throw her weight back farther, rock it, and look back maybe? I'm old and determined 😂😂😂
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Wouldn't it be helpful for the sailores to stand on each others shoulders trying to right a heavy cat?
Yes, but quite hard to coordinate
Can you drop the main sheet to make it easier?
Maybe - In the mega light wind it could reduce drag from the sail.
Two things you should never ask a lady, her age or weight !!
Hello to Lucy, Helena, Clara & Rick, don’t think I know Johnny….p.s. I’ve eaten more pies than Rick.
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Could u float the float uppppp with pfds too??
Not something that we'd try. This test is the most difficult conditions to right the boat - zero wind and flat water - as the wind increases less weight would be required.
What bag were you using Joe? Looks like it is made for what you are using it for.
Yes, I think it's something to do with diving - it says aqua lung on it 50lt
I don't know where it came from, it just appeared.
@@JoyriderTV. Searching came up with with a divers lifting balloon, coated canvas with ss rings and a drain plug? Does it pack small?
I have what you used on your earlier tests (a garden bag). Haven't needed it yet but I am doubting it can carry that much weight without the handles ripping out.
@@stevenvachon9745 Hobie sells a righting bag, its well made and designed for the job. Rolled up it would fit in a cap.
@@currawong60911368 thank you. I will look it up.
0:58 it looks like Ricky's front tooth had uhinged and got stuck to the bottom jaw.
Ha! Yes, Rick's gone full pirate!
The bag itself needs handles on it at the bottom.
Yes, that would help
Par force 2 à 6 Beaufort même tactic même à l envers ! On redresse comme on a chaviré : sur la DIAGONALE. Le bout de redressant en main on met un pied dans le bout de tension à l' arr du trampoline l autre sur la coque . L av de la coque opposée sort de l eau puis les 2 et le vent fait le reste en mettant le bateau sur la tranche, On remonte sur la coque par l avant et le trampoline qui fait girouette, mât en avant de la GV, le vent s engouffré dessous + les vagues et le HC 14 se redresse en 3 minutes ! Même tactic pou le HC 16 et 18 . Cordialement Xian. PS avec plus de force 3--4 chercher les solutions pour s aider du vent car on s épuise vite à lutter contre !!! Xian
Thanks for that.
The testing here was to see what was possible in zero wind.
Nice to hear about your method.
Gotta put the bag off your shoulder for sure.
Definitely - especially for the girls.
40 kgs holy lucy built different
For real!
@@JoyriderTV I’m 45 Ian’s I’m 12! At first I though she was a kid
With a little patience, a woman with the right technique who weighs 100 pounds can right one. I have seen it a number of times.
That's good to know.
We only conducted this experiment in zero wind.
It would be very useful to try again at 10 knots and then at 20 knots
K fuck how will this ever happen I'm 135! I can pick up my BMW gs 850.....butttt.....mocking weight with loaded dry bags or something might work 😅
More wind required. In 10 knots you should be good. Less than that, it should be very difficult to capsize in the first place.