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The modern art myth reminded me of an interaction I had with a grown man and his young daughter at a flee market. When I was a young artist working with polymer clay and stringing beads to make jewelry. I made a simple beaded necklace with yellow gold filled beads and navy blue Swarovski beads; even though it was as interesting or laborious as my custom work but it was a staple of what I offer that I did well. I was selling at a flee market one day to help clear my collection then they come up to my stall and the guy says in a snarky tone "this looks so easy my daughter can do it. Cant you (daughters name here)?" She looks up to him and says back "no! I dont know how he make this stuff." Well the man walked away embarrassed after acting the way he did. I assumed since I was at the flee market it didnt matter if I made it or the materials used, he saw it as overpriced kids crafts instead of a Ooak peice of jewelry.
haha, he got immediate karma
My parents have always been the people to say that. I do draw and have creative endeavors but they over estimate my skills so much and then drag other people down in the process. I wish they’d stop.
Mark, as a veteran artist with countless titles under your belt, have you had any criticisms about your art style that really made you doubt your skill or make you think about learning a new skill/relearning a skill?
Hi, Mark. I just wanted to drop a comment expressing my admiration for you, the videos you make, and the stories you create. I have been watching your videos since I first started to take drawing on as a hobby at the age of about 11 or 12- I am now 23, turning 24 this year, still creating art. Watching your videos puts a smile on my face and I continue to take lessons away from them whenever I tune in. Thanks for doing what you do. :)
I was gonna say the same thing, I’ve been following Mark since I was 10 years old, Now I’m 20 and he still uses the same profile picture with his lovely voice and drawings, I love this man❤️❤️❤️
I was about to say the same thing too. I've seen his videos back in '07-'08, still remember Miki Falls like it was yesterday. Mark taught me so much about drawing through his tutorials. I have nothing but respect and admiration for this lovely and wonderful artist.
I think my main issue with modern art, is just how high up it's put on a pedestal compared to other forms of art. And it's a narrative that almost seems like it's done on purpose by those who run these sorts of places and events like art galleries and such. Not to mention, modern art feels more like it's related to connections, more so than one's artistic ability.
For example, a dot on a canvas, no one can tell me it required artistic ability to do that, and yet it's treated like it's some sort of profound master piece that could have only been created by a genius. It's bizarre.
I am 74 and thoroughly enjoying your book Brody’s ghost. Even though the age is young adults.
Since you brought up the topic, I have some gripes about modern(contemporary) art.
First is that its old now. When it first came out it had the advantage of breaking the tradition. It was refreshing to see works of art that aren't representational. Now, its practically everywhere. Its no longer new anymore.
Second is the injustice of art with more skill and effort being treated less valuable than modern art. I know money or fame isn't everything but as you said in the video artists need money. The recent glorification of modern art(mostly from critics) has put a notion that abstract are is more valuable than representational art. I find this especially aggravating since comic, manga arts are shunned for being "too simple and lack of skill" when both need tens of years of hard work and study to pull it off, while abstract art with a dot on a white canvas is accepted as a masterpiece.
Third is that modern abstract art lacks in some crucial aspects of art. I think a value of art is a combination of its ability to communicate, the craftsmanship(anatomy, composition etc) behind it, and the feeling that the artist and audience derive from it. Abstract art severely lacks in first two aspect than any other type of art. You may see a banana pasted on a wall and derive a certain feeling, but you can do the same while sitting on a bench and noticing a plastic bag rolling on the ground. Yet we don't call that plastic bag an art, or at least a good art. Also, we rarely ever understand the meaning behind the art until someone explains it, which is a failure in art as means of communication.
Fourth is the money laundering part which is said plenty of times and self-explanatory.
Modern art has its right to exist, but man.... it is way too bloated right now.
Thank you, Mark, for all the time and effort you put in to make your videos. I greatly enjoy them.
In regard to #18 about modern art, the words of my high school art teacher comes to mind.....
"There is no such thing as bad art, there is only ones preference."
I, being one who has never particularly been fond of most modern art. His words still, after 44 years, still ring as a reminder when I see art that I think is bad and don't like.
I agree with your point on myth 16, because one of my best projects is not a new idea but rather my own spin on an old, probably outdated, question among artists.
I am a introvert and so was my father. He was a writer and an artist.
In relation to breaking new grounds, I believe it’s not that necessary as long as the creative person is not copying other people in his/her field. For example, 10 people can rewrite Cinderella’s story, but each writes it in his/her own unique style. For me this is what it means to be a creative person, and not doing something that is totally new.
The adoration of prodigies and the idea that the best artists start young can be an unhealthy source of pressure and discontent for artists of any age... This pressure can mount especially when your development and progress goes slower than you'd wish it did. Patience is a skill in its own right
As someone that feels like falling behind because of health struggles, this is a big problem that needs to be talked about more.
@@synthellaart1587 I'm 10 years into my art journey. It's taken me about the same amount of time to be happy with my rate of progress, despite where I want to be.
But I'm largely self-taught and a hobbyist. I can't imagine the level of pressure peeps go thru with art school and an artistic career (Tho I'm vying for the latter).
I used to hate modern art when i was younger for that very reason. it felt to easy to make. But now i understand it's more about feeling the emotion of it and what they're doing. Also you've got to give it to them, it takes quite a salesmen to sell something like that before it becomes popular.
when i was 11 i used to watch your videos. i suddenly gave up back then but, now i'm on college i trying to relearn how to draw with your videos your artworks are wonderful.
Love your content, Mark. God bless.
good to be back watching your videos again. after loosing sight of your channel for the the last 6years.
your mentality will always stay close yo my heart.
Fantastic artwork Mark!!🔥🔥
Edit: This heavily depends on the definition of ‘modern’ art. I am talking about the Pollockesque stuff, not necessarily the more representational stuff like Dali and Van Gogh. In fact I am a fan of many ‘modern’ artists like Schiele
To me most modern art is meaningless. Even if meaning is intended, it is rarely actually conveyed, and often the level of craftsmanship needed to produce it is very low. A lot of people with great artistic skill make modern art, but in my opinion it is not utilising their ability. It’s generally quite boring.
Some people bring up that it may be more laborious than a person creating a randomly without thought, but again I think that is meaningless. A man spends 20 years building his own car, and in the end that car runs for three minutes before breaking down, is it a good car? No.
Is it a scam? Yes and no. I don’t think the artists or critics are necessarily bought out, but the modern art industry is almost certainly propped up largely by a mix pf money laundering and self aggrandising desire to display wealth.
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Dear Mark,
Thank you sooo much for your videos!!! I have trouble drawings things out of my head, but watching you lay it out nice and slow really helps me. When I am done it looks almost the same. Whats really cool is because I have good memory, I can replay the video in my head when I want to draw it again. Thanks again! :)
You do a good job at your books and you do a great job at the art work that you do
I have one to add. To be a true artist you have to buy expensive supplies.
Regarding the myth that «art has to be ground-braking», I think art sometimes may benefit from being more of the same but with variations. Let´s say you like a certain style of music or comics (yes, I view comics and music as potential art 😊) and that you are in a mood for simply wanting to consume new material for comfort/pleasure/leisure. Then, I think, this could be the case.
Love the art style. very interesting and informative topics.
Hi Mark..I recently started drawing ...me and my kids...we are learning how to draw...thank you....your drawings are awesome 👌 👏
I love your videos
Your videos really inspired a lot new artist from every generation, it's kinda like a mendatory phase at this point to stuck with your vid,your storytelling advice series is my favourite one!
Happy 800 videos
Regarding breaking new ground vs. old concept, good execution: for me, it depends on who is making it. Companies like Disney or DC comics should be trying to be innovative. If they're getting paid millions / billions in various currencies to create their movies, etc, I want them to actually put their money where their mouth is and actually try something different. On the other hand, if you're a one-man band making a comic in your basement, it's perfectly fine to take the safe road to get your bills paid, but showing how your unique approach can make the idea shine.
Holy sh*t bro, I used to watch you all the time in elementary school to learn how to draw. Now it’s been years and I’ve started to draw again. I wanted to say a big thanks for teaching me the basics
woah i came back after 6 years of quitting my pencils to watch my good old favorite artist
the music killed me first second and the quality was way better 6 yearss ago now it looks soo half assed without any emotion in it anymore but anyway Mark keep up the good work
Some great points there, I got to admit Smiling ^_^ I can relate to some of them :) Once again thanks for the mention and yes, u pronounced my last name perfectly! :D All the best with "The Comic Book Lesson"! I'm looking forward it :D
Nah, #18 is definitely not a myth. If a "modern" art piece is sold (and it's made precisely for that) for millions of dollars, why is it that any half decent artist aren't millionares by now? Because it's an exclusivity thing created by the rich for tax evasions through loopholes and corrupt auctions. There is a reason why "modern" art is abstract, because you can't objectively judge it, unlike a classic portrait or landscape drawing. Any and all critique can be rebutted with a "You just don't understand the deep hidden meaning!", and you really can't argue with it aside from superficial arguments. Top that with ease of creation and you have a potential money laundering scheme too.
*This*
Well said. Modern art is a complete scam.
I would say that, above all else, Artists are explorers of ideas.
They're really unique in their ability to make people and worlds exactly the way they envision them(with a slight margin for error).
Love the corgi map. :) Very cute, and much more manageable long-term than the bushes.
Re: #17, I had a drawing teacher in college essentially say that to me. I asked him what it took to be able to support yourself as an artist, and he said that if I could ask that question, I obviously didn't have it. :/ Dirtbag, seriously, especially since *he* was supporting himself with his art skills. [eyeroll]
I was born with the passion and compulsion to draw not necessarily the skills
I got my Ultimate Book of Drawing Hands today! I got to the third block of the introduction and threw it in the trash! 😜😜Not really. Great book and such a mushy, I mean meaningful dedication! I'm going to get a digital copy as well! Great work.
With modern art, I try to hate the modern art market, not the art itself. There's pretty ample evidence that the high-end art market largely gets used by the wealthy as a means of money laundering/tax evasion by wrapping up wealth in artificially valued assets (the art itself) and that the value assigned to collectible pieces is often independent of what it was actually worth to the artist who made it. This is why the ultra-wealthy will often have literal warehouses full of art that they never hang up for viewing or engage with. They treat art like the pieces are just "million dollar bills" with paint on them.
But that's not to say there isn't good creative work being done in modern art and interesting ideas coming out of it, (that capitalism just happens to have ruined). Going to MOMA in New York for the first time and seeing things like Jackson Pollock's splatter works in person, I was so struck by how beautiful and purposeful they were. It can be hard to get that from a tiny image in a text book. I also have a good friend who is an abstract artist and her work is incredible and I honestly don't know how she does it. I just can't wield a palette knife with her confidence. Good abstract art is an amazing thing.
That being said, I will admit, that when I look at a multimillion dollar sale of a red dot made out of nothing but layers and layers of red paint, it's hard for me not to assume this is just the art market latching onto something to inflate the value of so that billionaires can lock away money in art assets. Nothing is going to convince me that layered red dot is more valuable or inherently artistic than any of the legions of fifth graders who have made the EXACT SAME composition while bored in art class until they've said "hey, I wonder how much paint this paper can hold." I don't think artists should be allowed to baffle-gab their way into making it seem like their art means something it inherently doesn't. A piece should be able to speak for itself to a degree. Though again, I don't think this is the problem of the artist, so much as the problem of the modern art market. If you get lucky enough to be scooped up by Christie's and minted as the darling of the uber-rich, then all power to you. You're winning at a game the rest of us can't seem to crack.
You are best
I visited the Mark Rothko room at Tate Modern and the power it had on me was so affecting, it literally stopped me in my tracks and I had to sit down and just process it
Regarding the modern art being child scribbles thing, here’s my 2 cents: art tools and materials used to be made entirely by hand and cost a small fortune. For centuries, European artists needed to start at a certain level of wealth or have some kind of wealthy benefactor to buy the tools they needed. Since they were so expensive and elitist, painting, sculpting and drawing in the sense we know today were rarely ever hobbies or a means of ‘expression’, only trades for profit. This means artists up until the past 100-150 years or so were mostly limited to being human cameras, recording things the wealthy wanted to be remembered. This included portraits, fancy horses and dogs, expensive perishables like exotic fruits and grand estates, just to name a few common subjects. Also great historical, political or religious events. This idea of a child scribbling with cheap crayons on printer paper or splattering poster paint on premade cotton canvas that cost next to nothing is a very modern idea. You were lucky to have a spare piece of butcher paper if you were poor.
When cameras were invented, if you simply wanted to record something you had seen you could get a photograph that better reflected what it looked like in life and cost a fraction of an oil painting, so as photography advanced ‘fine art’ started to become exclusively decorative, commercial or, well, artistic. And as the industrial revolution unfolded, art materials and tools started to be made at least partly in factories, increasing their availability and dropping their cost. Chemistry advanced to the point where polymer-based paint (acrylic for example) could be made, which was also a big turning point. Those impressionist paintings, the scribbles and colourful shapes, those had never been seen before at the time they were made. This wasn’t ‘painting like a child’ because children weren’t known to paint. So no matter how stupid you think those paintings look today, when you realise that they redefined what art could be, you can at least appreciate them for what they represent historically. I don’t like ‘modern’ art much myself, but I understand that I’m also taking for granted the opportunities we all have today with cheap art supplies and widespread art teaching. Gotta put things in context :)
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I tried ordering Mastering Manga 2 through a local bookstore because I wanted to support them too, but it seems that in Australia, it is difficult to get American books. It's not the first time this has happened. Regardless, I love your work!
Hey mark, do you have any advice for pitching and writing a one shot story? Nice video as always! What a fun pateron idea :)
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Hi mark crilley I just want to say to you is that you make the coolest picture and your story are really good and I hope that you will do another great video and maybe you can show us how to draw anime eyes
About #16, the groundbreaking myth: I think that's one of those 'easier said than done' cases, most often called for by people who only consume art rather than create it. It's a beautifully utopian idea that we should all have the innovative mind to focus on nothing but breaking new ground, but realistically, practically, feet firmly on the ground, if that was all we were allowed ourselves to strive for, we'd get NOTHING done. Ever.
(And I mean waaaaay easier said than done. "Hey, why don't you do a time-tested classic." Yeah, why didn't I think of that.)
Can you please do a video on Lemurs? :)
Wow, you're really good at drawing. ~ ^^😃😃😃😁🧡🧡
On the subject of modern art: there are a LOT of people who abuse the medium for money laundering, and that has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I enjoy modern art and don't really worry about the actual skill of the artist, for me it's the process of creating more than the end result that makes art enjoyable to me. But when the medium is being exploited in such a way, it can cause a negative rift in the community itself.
Regarding Myth 20: Look at Frank Frazetta's oil paintings, then look at his work in pen and ink. Then tell me that the latter is not art. You talk to any fan of artwork, and they'll laugh you out of the gallery for making such a foolish "distinction".
Mark you really are an inspiration but i am having so much trouble rn i feel like im losing my talents i havent been drawing a whole lot just doodles and ideas i dont feel motivated to draw anymore yes i have depression but i geel like there is another issuse at hand too.i miss drawing I need drive do you have any recommendations?
Hiya can you recommend an affordable technical drawing board to help me draw straight lines, I make a lot of portraiture with equipment I’m happy with but whenever I draw any straight lines for the background, they come out really wonky even when I use a set square so I’m looking for something that can help me draw straight lines and draw perspective lines straighter
im def not a shy artist lol
um we live in a world were being able to pay bills is a good thing, so of course we are going to try to focus on making a living
Can you do a beta fish step by step and coloured plsss
Myth 13 annoys me so much lmao. Especially when people think that you CANNOT be creative or create art without drugs or that any kind of even a little bit fantastic or weird art was made on drugs. Like I'm sorry you don't have imagination, but it's not the universal experience.
As a person who writes music. I feel as though music in particular is an art form that MUST break new ground in some way in order for it to be recognized. Originality seems to be the master of new music. Personally I won't give a new song the time of day if it doesn't register as its own entity. Like why would I listen to Token or NF when I got a perfectly good Eminem right here?.
Hi Mark i hope you'll read this. Can you make book how to draw textures? I would looove to buy one from you
Oh god I hope my former art teacher will not see you smudging colors with a finger, she'd gone ballistic over that.
I liken much "modern art" to the poetry of ee cummings or the music of John Cage. They aren't necessarily trying to make the most aesthetically beautiful piece; they're attempting to awaken their audiences' minds to contemplate a certain aspect of their particular medium on a deeper level. People who miss that message are probably missing much of the true beauty of "mainstream art" as well.
I work at a grocery store, and there's a poster at my work that says "Our community has the highest percentage of artists per population in the state."
A customer said "Is that true?"
I said, "Well, I'm an artist."
And he said, "Yeah, makes sense that you'd need a day job."
... Ouch.
how about painting a stach on the monalisa? if I paint on marvel, disny, caricatures is it infringing? but davinchi is mmk?
if i use your face as my art (the image of..) is it mine? your face?
not as practis in commercial use. 4$.
if "someone else did it" and I sell it?
Hi Mark Crilley, I am working on my own comic. If you let us know about your book, I'll be glad to try it out. I am doing thumbnail/rough comics and receiving some feedback before I make a finished product. Thanks again for the video. 😁👌
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Thought on number 16, in my opinion great art is something that the artist is happy with but more importantly something that the CUSTOMER is happy with. Examples, the Sistine chapel, if it the pope at the time was not happy or the pope after, I forget the exact history, then do we really think it would have been left up? Maybe due to difficulty or expense but I feel it would have been changed.
Also modern art here is my opinion, single color or single stroke/dot is a scam, the chaos that comes from Pollock or Dali, but has substance is art, hell even 3 parallel lines I see as hart but not something that literally anyone who is good at observation can replicate, if you can do it by skill then good.
Just my opinions have fun poking any holes you like 😃
Number 18 isn't a Myth. There's actually some fact to it, especially when it comes to the minimalistic side of things.
I can get behind splash or pour art because no pour art is the same and people do experiment on out to do said splashes or pours. Examples like rigging and spinning a bucket to create swirls, and blow dryer to push pain around, using different dropping techniques, ect.
However, minimalism is nothing more than an attempt at a cash grab. You mentioned a dot on a white canvas. Anyone can literally and easily replicate it, yet they can't claim it to be artistic in a public perspective because someone has already taken claim to it, and that's the big issue. If you dig into why something like a dot on a white canvas or a banana duct taped to a wall is worth so much, that's because the worth is not in the art but a certificate. So simply put most modern art is just a glorified version of an NFT.
And then there's this whole deflection of "oh you just don't get the message!".
It's kinda bad if you can't get a message around in something that supposed to be considered "good art".
Modern art does have a foundation that bring great works of art, but there are just some pieces out there that don't deserved to be called "good art" ie, a white canvas.
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so many myths for artist one myth you can't do any thing in this that is common said in my country
I was waiting for you to laugh like seth rogan
#18 ... I tend to agree. I don't even bother going to modern art sections of galleries and museums. i find nothing pleasurable or meaningful in it or any genuine skill to appreciate.
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Two I'm not wild about: artists are emotionally fragile and they are either super stylish or unhygienic with no sense of fashion.
Sure, I've seen plenty of artists that can't handle suggestions of how to improve their work, I've seen just as many if not more that go out of their way to ask for constructive criticism.
As far as the fashion thing goes, it's its own field of art that doesn't always overlap and can dress like everyday people. Some are weebs that need a shower and some are walking paintings themselves and some are somewhere in between.
secondly
I hope to see more refined art style choices in future works. It seems as though this time will be remembered as your “messy period”.
Wtf
That’s really rude
Also, regarding the modern art, I think it gets so much hate, because 90% of it utterly fails in the most important purpose of art in general - conveying _an idea._ If I need to read your mini-essay on a page sticked to the wall below the painting to even comprehend what the hell am I looking at, exactly - you failed miserably. Art is like a joke. You do not explain a joke.
My two cents on modern art...I can appreciate it, but I find most of it ugly (at least the recent stuff). I can see the technique in the brush strokes, and occasionally there is a message that doesn't look like "my two year old barfed on this and I smeared it in with paint and called it a day," but I usually find myself muttering "How ugly."
When I paint, I like to make things that people would want to put in their homes. I think art should be beautiful, even if the thing you are depicting is less than stellar. I look at early modern art, and there is a certain beauty to it, but the newer and newer it gets, the more and more unattractive it becomes (Can anyone say "banana duct taped to a board"? What the heck?). It's the content, it's the colors used, it's the way the space is used on the canvas...it just doesn't speak to me.
That being said, I do like some modern art...abstract is very interesting to make and look at. I've just found more of the recent stuff ugly.
Dont insult it! Its unique and it helps thousands
I totally understand feeling modern art can be a scam
But that can make it entertaining😆
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