As someone who has been around a lot of staking arrangements and weird pieces being swapped his story actually makes tons of sense. It's not clean and simple. And what he's saying makes pretty good sense
@jeremykropf9487 bro he says same excate reply to Peter as he does hararalboob how ever u spell his name... hey I owed them I think I did they think I did then they acted like Dicks so I didn't pay or only paid a little then now we don't know how much is owed or if the debt is clears cause blah blah blah fkn blah... this is not the story of a man who pays his debts...
@stephens2272 so I've been staked for some pretty large online games. If you are owed a cash out then lose back into makeup, asking g to get paid on your wins is a bs scumbag move. Sounds like this is what Peter is doing
Gambling has that effect to rub bad stuff onto you, I thought in the early 2000s he's really a smart guy...probably time to play and invest with technology to make money like VR instead of old school/online cards...
Here here. I have a personal rule that I don't lend $ to gamble with nor do I borrow money to gamble with. Well I do have an exception for a couple people but they'd never ask anyways.
TL;DR: Jetten was originally on an upswing, decided he wanted to cashout, and subsequently paid ~230k worth of pieces which Tom agreed to pay back Jetten then went on a 1.6M downswing backed by Ike and Dwan, and Jetten hasn’t played / made it up. Jetten thinks that Dwan should pay the $230k owed by Dwan prior to the $800k makeup to Dwan. Dwan was willing to swallow a lot / all of the 800k makeup, until Jetten decided to go scorched earth about the 230k he unreasonably believed should be separate from any money he should pay Dwan to get out of the $800k worth of makeup.
Ughh - Tom is not well in this podcast. He is blabbering on, seems jittery, doesn't really answer questions.. He needs some help asap before this manic episode gets worse. #SaveDurrr
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I understand what hes saying. I was very generous in the past and now its the other way around and small amount for dwan they call him a thief. Its like i give you 100k but then burrow 35k and the guy is pissed bcuz i give 30k back instead of 35k.
The fact that Tom thinks everyone understands what’s going on and doesn’t take time to clearly explain things makes him look guilty. He needs to very calmly layout exactly what went down and then give his view and opinion.
So if the truth is that Jetten was owed 226k after cashing out of backing arrangement which Dwan didn’t pay, but shortly after Jetton went on a 1.6mill downswing while being fully backed, 800k of it Dwan’s, it’s not as simple as ‘oh Dawn owes Jetten 226k despite Jetten losing 800k of Dwan’s money right after and never playing again to try and make it up. Without a written agreement confirming that Dwan still owes the 226k no reasonable person could conclude that Dwan owes the 226k and Jetten gets of Scott free for the 800k. That’s a whack position and the pile-on by the internet nerds is typical bs
This is just another version of the story. I have no idea about Jetten and the two sides of this but Dwan has a history of dodging his debts. He still owes Jungleman 250k 12 years later and it's not like the 350k he owes will change life for Haralabos either. The logical conclusion is that Tom Dwan believes that the debts he owes to certain people will be forgotten because they don't pose a physical danger. People trying to defend his actions are just insane, don't make insane wager/deals if you can't pay.
I don’t think your aware how a staking deal works… they back him and when they decide to no longer back him then the make up is dead. It’s only if they want to keep backing him and he doesn’t wanna play for them then he owes make up. They ended the deal so he doesn’t owe make up. Outside of this he sold 10% and 25% pieces to events and would sell them and assume Tom to pay after. So Tom was free rolling Peter on these events and if he won he would make money if he lost Tom never paid. Hence 236k bill
Tom has done the dirt on at least 5 people and has no intention of paying these people back. He'll do anything to get his fix of poker, his eyes tell all. He'd Rob your grave if needed. Im amazed that he is now sponsored by 3 poker sites.
I use to play 5/10PLO on ACR via BCP and it was the only site I had a losing record on. Always suspected cheating, turns out people were. Not surprised it is the same site sponsoring Tom. Birds of a feather...
he should be sponsored by more companies actually being the face of high stakes and online poker the past 15 years...he was the MVP of the HCL Million dollar game with Rampage,Keating,Huss,Wes,Polk in that order...people like Harlabos,Polk,Jungleman want to bring Tom down but they will never be on his level in terms of what he did for televised and online poker like what Helmuth and Ivey have done with the WSOP..people want to see people risk it all which is why Dwan,Rampage and Isildur were so popular..it is not good for longevity but you will be remembered as a legend.
"So, I'll just say... ... yeah, no when the 2nd guy messaged me, anyway, no he didn't say half. But I mean half was discussed with someone I won't name... Did I agree to half? Well let me first just say there was a guy who initially wanted half... Well I'll stop there, no... ... ... But ya 50% IDK man, like don't be weird, I guess I'll give more details later." -- Tom Dwan
This is actually wild. I know Tom is a big conspiracy guy but it’s like he’s just making up wild conspiracies regarding who owes who money while trying to claim his detractors are the ones lying and being conspiratorial. This interview is actually wild. It shouldn’t be that hard, who owes who, why do they owe, and have you/they gotten the money or not. These tirades are just all hot air, and it seems to me Tom actually believes them.
Signs you have a drug problem: Owe people money. Can't answer a simple question without going off on a rambling tangent. Can't SIT STILL long enough to do an interview without wandering around. Mumbles alot. Bless Nitucci for trying to get simple answers from someone incapable of giving them. It was infuriating to listen to Dwan talk in circles. Dwan needs to lay off the adderall and chill out for awhile.
I don’t understand anything regarding Jetten. WTF is going on!? Does Dwan owe him money or not? Does Jetten owe Dwan money but was being nice & didn’t want to collect - seems fishy?
Dwan owed Peter. Peter has been trying to collect for years. Dwan is a scumbag and trying to confuse a simple situation. All you need to know is that Peter made this public and Tom is mad that it’s public. Scumbags never want their actions made public.
Jetten is down 1.6m in makeup to Dwan and Ike. Separately Dwan owes 226k to Jetten from a backing deal. Jetten believes Dwan should pay the 226k and not have it deducted from the makeup bc the makeup began after the deal for the 226k.
@TheBgulya and that's where i agree with dwan if he's let him of with the backing then he starts at him for the 226k then goes onto social media aswell then why would you let him off with paying no make up.
This man cannot take any responsibility for anything. It's always the people he owes fault. Makes me sick listening to people like Tom blame the victims of his crimes. To owe a debt, or debts in Tom's case, and not pay it back is stealing. For many years, since the Durr challenge, we have heard many different people call Tom a scammer. Where's there's smoke there's fire. The sad part is these are the only situations of him f'ing people over that went public, imagine how many got screwed but don't want to go public. People like Tom are pieces of shit that will always blame others for their problems.
Dwan plays high stakes poker in million dollar games and has won million dollar figures in his games but does an interview in his phone and constantly shot below his neck and shaking constantly. Judge yourself what his character is.
Seems pretty simple. Tom saying Peter is broke and is now choosing specific Credits that benefit him while ignoring outstanding Debts that he owes. The fact that neither Nittuci nor Tom could summarize this very simple story in under an hour is a real head scratcher. For those of you still lost continuing to say that Tom owes him, why on earth would Tom agree to and intermediary and escrow situation??
One of the most impressive thing on this entire pod is that none of them are drunk. I doubt any of them including Tom know what the conversation was all about. Amazing mumble jumble - well done
So if Tom owes you money and you're grumpy or an ahole to him, thats reason enough for him not to pay you. Kewl Tom. Grow up. I've been in these situations. It doesnt matter if you grovel at their feet, kiss their a. They will never pay you back. F em.
Tom is all over the place and makes absolutely zero sense. I listen to this for 15 minutes and had to turn it off. Based on his demeanor and mumbling responses, pretty sure he knows he owes money. Nick and Veronica are both intelligent people and are well-versed in the Poker community dealings and even they are bewildered by his responses.
@@christopherpritchard3164 Talking about in general..is a company going to make Miki and Bob the face of there company or Dwan? Do they have Leaf trading cards?..Tom is a living legend.
Everybody's gotta friend like this, ask for your money once "sure no problem," ask twice no response, ask a 3rd time nòw YOUR the a-hole harassing them and they want the accounting for the past 20 years of your life
LAYMEN’S terms after 2 hours of Rubic’s cube. Peter was +452K at one point. He requested to cash out, so he gets half, 226k. Tom never paid the 226k. Peter then went on a 1.6M downswing so he was 1.6M in makeup. But he had never got the 226k and it's 3 years later now. Tom thinks he shouldn't have to pay because Peter lost 1.6M after that. But they agreed to settle up when he was winning and tom never paid, so tom should pay it. So Tom basically is upset and lost a ton backing him but Peter still wants to get paid The backer is always responsible for the losses (the makeup) IMO!
No, the issue is that Jetten never sent the accounting and didn’t want private arbitration. Instead, Jetten went public knowing Dwan went into 1.6M makeup to help a friend out.
So Jetten wanted to cash out half of 500k he was owed. He never got paid. Then Jetten goes on to torch 1.6mil. Why would he still expect to get paid? He owes 1.1 million.
29 mins in, and tom is making absolutely no sense whatsoever, not only that, his body language has all the qualities of someone that’s lying or at the very least trying fix shit, looking rough fort so far, lmk keep watching…..
No wonder he was dominant when he came into poker scene. People had no idea what and how he was thinking because he doesn't even know what he is thinking.
im going to quit gambling after this. i know players that cheat, poker dealers and floors that cheat. it seems the cheating is more sophisticated the the higher stakes you go.
People calling Dwan names know absolutely nothing about the world of high-stakes poker/gambling... Tom is clearly on the spectrum & having difficulty communicating which allows assholes like Jetten take advantage of him...
I can vouch i sent him to you who send him to tony, but then tony was out so tony had take a taxi to robbie from.bike store who said he wont deal with dwan cuz he owed 100 , who the tony had 300 so in all actuallity tony pay 200 for the cuban but really the car broke down so tom dwan owes me 700$
First 15min sounds like Peter had a cash out of $226k that Tom owes. But then Ike and Tom backed Peter and Peter lost $1,600,000. So Peter is on a losing streak and wants to be paid a previous cash out after losing 1.6M. Sound right? If Dwan did owe Peter $226k, I would just treat it as Peter is in make up of $1,374,000 and go from there.
Tom talks in his code that he understands - not in terms that even normal poker players can get. The general public would understand Italian better than this.
lol Tom clearly talks his way through life and we all know these people they have have zero real friends and believe there own lies. Unreal how Tom uses not paying people back cause there mean, and there rude cause you don’t pay dude 😅
The bottom line is, gamblers, especially High Stakes gamblers depending on which side of the ledger they're on, think everything is negotiable. The way they lend money to each other and make side deals is so opaque, it woud require a quantum physicist to figure out. As for Tom, he is a Poker Savant, but, his social skills are obviously convoluted, it has nothing to do with being on tilt. It's just the way it is, some people are just obtuse. The way I see it, both parties are guilty.
Yea if you really listen closely it does make sense the SIMPLIFIED VERSION: TOM backs a guy named peter, peter looses and is on make up (owes money) guy cries and says hes in a bad spot and tom essentially forgives his make up.... peter later asks for a cash out from tom in a spot where he is owed money from tom. Peter calls out tom on twitter in an attempt to tarnish his image. Tom gets pissed of and now is asking for accounting on the money that he is owed in make up ans the cash out... THERE ARE ALOT MORE DETAILS but thats kinda it
Right, and about 46:20ish is where it clicked for me(I think). This is what being nice and doing business/favors with your "friends" gets you(and apparently also in high stakes gambling). You can see/hear the mixed emotions throughout the interview. Peter was a friend, he didn't have much money(for high stakes anyways), he's probably broke, Tom let the make up and a few other things slide and wasn't caring to keep track of the $ b/c Peter was in worse financial shape, and Peter is wanting the money now and more or less thanked Tom for his generous spirit throughout the years of letting things slide. Tom likely not in an easy spot himself financially and feels betrayed. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the jist of what I think happened. Anyways, Peter should do an interview--these tweets aren't exactly good and paint a very incomplete picture, if what Tom is saying is true.
Imagine having a daughter and she is bringing over a new boyfriend, and the one thing you know about him is that he is a poker player. Talk about a bad beat. I would lock the doors. These are the lowest of the low because they waste their lives producing nothing. 100 percent are involved in scams, yet they still walk around like no big deal. Haralabob is worse that Dwan.
55:50 ... I think this is an example of why Tom is so hard to follow, and why he is hesitant to give every exact detail. He mentions money being seized by the US govt during "Trump Russian mafia case" and later goes on to say that it was seized because of allegations of illegal gambling. These situations have many moving pieces, multiple people and deals involved, and possibly some of which is illegal. He also keeps saying that he was worried that Jetten was going to go public with his text messages. I'm beginning to see why it's hard to follow... and it's because some of the information is being purposely withheld.
Vertucci saying he understands but he has no idea what is going on.
Adderall is a hell of a drug
Clearly on drugs..
Provigil
But, but... Simone Biles wasn't! Lol It was emotional "medication"? Haha She clearly wasn't catapulting the competition...smh
i thought the same thing haha
Those of you who are curious: he snorts Oxycodone and Dexedrine to be exact.
He is incapable of telling a coherent, chronological story
It's painful
Liars often struggle to do so...
As someone who has been around a lot of staking arrangements and weird pieces being swapped his story actually makes tons of sense.
It's not clean and simple. And what he's saying makes pretty good sense
@jeremykropf9487 bro he says same excate reply to Peter as he does hararalboob how ever u spell his name... hey I owed them I think I did they think I did then they acted like Dicks so I didn't pay or only paid a little then now we don't know how much is owed or if the debt is clears cause blah blah blah fkn blah... this is not the story of a man who pays his debts...
@stephens2272 so I've been staked for some pretty large online games. If you are owed a cash out then lose back into makeup, asking g to get paid on your wins is a bs scumbag move.
Sounds like this is what Peter is doing
Am 35 minutes into it and have no idea what is going on, respectfully 😩😩
Join the club!
I put on closed captioning and still don't understand what he's talking about
@@jeremyrogers6179 ya it was a grueling episode, respectfully
@@JohnnyUnrotten 😩😩😩
Because he's LYING and desperately trying to dance around the fact.... just saying.
Tom took 3 hours to say "I owe Jetten $226k, but he owes me $800k, so I'm keeping the $226k"
This interview lowered my IQ by over 30 points
😂😂😂
😂 😂
Mine by 50
I love how Tom rationalizes away not paying people back because they “pissed him off” or “acted like a scumbag”
What an absolute pile this guy is.
Amen...
He can’t just give a straight answer. That’s when you know they are full of it.
Or its a complicated situation with a lot of emotion behind it.
@@jinzokan3499 nah. Just answer the damn question
Nick V: "Why did you send the 30k?" Tom: "Mumbles". Nick V: "That's odd"
This guy is super erratic; not sure this should even be posted.
Agreed. This interview did not do him any favors.
Tom Dwan yapping + Nick sniffing his coke residue in the mic = Unbearable Listen.
Tom is babbling. Tom doesn't know how to explain things clearly.
Tom has lost his shit.
Gambling has that effect to rub bad stuff onto you, I thought in the early 2000s he's really a smart guy...probably time to play and invest with technology to make money like VR instead of old school/online cards...
You mean "soul".
Moral of the story - Never lend people money.
Here here.
I have a personal rule that I don't lend $ to gamble with nor do I borrow money to gamble with.
Well I do have an exception for a couple people but they'd never ask anyways.
I guess. I’m still not sure what the story is??😂😂
This is how the poker economy operates. Players are always in for pieces of another player or selling action or loaning money to play.
TL;DR:
Jetten was originally on an upswing, decided he wanted to cashout, and subsequently paid ~230k worth of pieces which Tom agreed to pay back
Jetten then went on a 1.6M downswing backed by Ike and Dwan, and Jetten hasn’t played / made it up. Jetten thinks that Dwan should pay the $230k owed by Dwan prior to the $800k makeup to Dwan.
Dwan was willing to swallow a lot / all of the 800k makeup, until Jetten decided to go scorched earth about the 230k he unreasonably believed should be separate from any money he should pay Dwan to get out of the $800k worth of makeup.
i guess thats what he is trying to tell us...but damn thats 2 sentences😂wtf is he on?
So if you win, you collect and if you lose, you don’t pay Dwan, that’s pretty muck Jetten asking to free roll on the 800K?
@@michaelwou1667 True.
That's what I got from what he was saying. He just rambles
@@BigDaddyGee85his brain is scrambled eggs. There’s almost 0 chance he isn’t a hard drug addict lol
I am so confused after Tom speaking, to the point that I feel he owes me money.
I finished thw interview i can honestly say tom dwan owes me 30k
LMAOOOOO
Ughh - Tom is not well in this podcast. He is blabbering on, seems jittery, doesn't really answer questions.. He needs some help asap before this manic episode gets worse. #SaveDurrr
yeah he needs to stop doing speed
This is how you get when you're sleep deprived and your clock is fully busted. Caffeine and amphetamine cereal
You might be right. I was thinking he might be autistic.
On the spectrum
Tom seems impossible to deal with or even communicate with. How do you talk for hours and explain nothing?
From my experience, I feel like Peter is broke and the 260k means more to him right now than years of friendship.
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haahahahaha
No one will ever accuse Tom for being a communications major,
I understand what hes saying. I was very generous in the past and now its the other way around and small amount for dwan they call him a thief.
Its like i give you 100k but then burrow 35k and the guy is pissed bcuz i give 30k back instead of 35k.
The fact that Tom thinks everyone understands what’s going on and doesn’t take time to clearly explain things makes him look guilty. He needs to very calmly layout exactly what went down and then give his view and opinion.
He has so much going in his mind it's impossible to get it out.
@@mewalrus that’s the feeling I get and it must be overwhelmingly frustrating for him.
Haha Tom is being super confusing on purpose, never once did he say I owe this or that.
@@Nathancl22its not on pourpouse.
This is a dumb guy thinkng he is starter then everyone ealse at display
Dwan owes money. He’s not being clear enough so I know he’s full of shit . Nick knows it too but he’s playing cool for the content .
I feel like the term "never meet your heroes" applies her🤷🏻♂️
So if the truth is that Jetten was owed 226k after cashing out of backing arrangement which Dwan didn’t pay, but shortly after Jetton went on a 1.6mill downswing while being fully backed, 800k of it Dwan’s, it’s not as simple as ‘oh Dawn owes Jetten 226k despite Jetten losing 800k of Dwan’s money right after and never playing again to try and make it up. Without a written agreement confirming that Dwan still owes the 226k no reasonable person could conclude that Dwan owes the 226k and Jetten gets of Scott free for the 800k. That’s a whack position and the pile-on by the internet nerds is typical bs
This is just another version of the story. I have no idea about Jetten and the two sides of this but Dwan has a history of dodging his debts. He still owes Jungleman 250k 12 years later and it's not like the 350k he owes will change life for Haralabos either. The logical conclusion is that Tom Dwan believes that the debts he owes to certain people will be forgotten because they don't pose a physical danger. People trying to defend his actions are just insane, don't make insane wager/deals if you can't pay.
I don’t think your aware how a staking deal works… they back him and when they decide to no longer back him then the make up is dead. It’s only if they want to keep backing him and he doesn’t wanna play for them then he owes make up. They ended the deal so he doesn’t owe make up. Outside of this he sold 10% and 25% pieces to events and would sell them and assume Tom to pay after. So Tom was free rolling Peter on these events and if he won he would make money if he lost Tom never paid. Hence 236k bill
I have enjoyed watching Tom Dwan play for many years but this is a very bad look...
Why these multi-million dollar "professional" poker players don't better document the terms of all this backing/loaning/staking/whatever is beyond me.
This literally feels like a comedy sketch, but the fact that it's real...is terrifying.
Tom has done the dirt on at least 5 people and has no intention of paying these people back. He'll do anything to get his fix of poker, his eyes tell all. He'd Rob your grave if needed.
Im amazed that he is now sponsored by 3 poker sites.
While he's getting his poker fix, you're getting yours from gossip where you have no clue of the details.
I use to play 5/10PLO on ACR via BCP and it was the only site I had a losing record on. Always suspected cheating, turns out people were. Not surprised it is the same site sponsoring Tom. Birds of a feather...
he should be sponsored by more companies actually being the face of high stakes and online poker the past 15 years...he was the MVP of the HCL Million dollar game with Rampage,Keating,Huss,Wes,Polk in that order...people like Harlabos,Polk,Jungleman want to bring Tom down but they will never be on his level in terms of what he did for televised and online poker like what Helmuth and Ivey have done with the WSOP..people want to see people risk it all which is why Dwan,Rampage and Isildur were so popular..it is not good for longevity but you will be remembered as a legend.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a question.
"So, I'll just say... ... yeah, no when the 2nd guy messaged me, anyway, no he didn't say half. But I mean half was discussed with someone I won't name... Did I agree to half? Well let me first just say there was a guy who initially wanted half... Well I'll stop there, no... ... ... But ya 50% IDK man, like don't be weird, I guess I'll give more details later." -- Tom Dwan
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I'm gonna leave if you don't let me explain" - Tom trying his hardest to control the conversation lol. Should have ended there.
Can we have this uploaded in English please
Underrated comment.
This is actually wild. I know Tom is a big conspiracy guy but it’s like he’s just making up wild conspiracies regarding who owes who money while trying to claim his detractors are the ones lying and being conspiratorial. This interview is actually wild. It shouldn’t be that hard, who owes who, why do they owe, and have you/they gotten the money or not. These tirades are just all hot air, and it seems to me Tom actually believes them.
This is a masterclass in anti-interrogation. Verbal Kint would be proud.
Signs you have a drug problem:
Owe people money.
Can't answer a simple question without going off on a rambling tangent.
Can't SIT STILL long enough to do an interview without wandering around.
Mumbles alot.
Bless Nitucci for trying to get simple answers from someone incapable of giving them. It was infuriating to listen to Dwan talk in circles.
Dwan needs to lay off the adderall and chill out for awhile.
what a load of bollox
I don’t understand anything regarding Jetten. WTF is going on!? Does Dwan owe him money or not? Does Jetten owe Dwan money but was being nice & didn’t want to collect - seems fishy?
Dwan owed Peter. Peter has been trying to collect for years. Dwan is a scumbag and trying to confuse a simple situation. All you need to know is that Peter made this public and Tom is mad that it’s public. Scumbags never want their actions made public.
It's only getting more confusing as Tom talks more
Jetten is down 1.6m in makeup to Dwan and Ike. Separately Dwan owes 226k to Jetten from a backing deal. Jetten believes Dwan should pay the 226k and not have it deducted from the makeup bc the makeup began after the deal for the 226k.
@@TheBgulyayou should be a fucking translator.
@TheBgulya and that's where i agree with dwan if he's let him of with the backing then he starts at him for the 226k then goes onto social media aswell then why would you let him off with paying no make up.
Tom is all over the place, Veronica & Vertuchi are lost & so are all the listeners 😅😅😅
On the show shark tank they say if you can’t explain something in 30 seconds they refuse to invest, reminds me of this
This man cannot take any responsibility for anything. It's always the people he owes fault. Makes me sick listening to people like Tom blame the victims of his crimes. To owe a debt, or debts in Tom's case, and not pay it back is stealing. For many years, since the Durr challenge, we have heard many different people call Tom a scammer. Where's there's smoke there's fire. The sad part is these are the only situations of him f'ing people over that went public, imagine how many got screwed but don't want to go public. People like Tom are pieces of shit that will always blame others for their problems.
This interview alone just shows Doug was right….this was absolutely terrible to listen to. Please strive for higher quality content.
This interview made me have a stroke 😂
LMAOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂
For a poker pro he sure is bad in bluffing
I sure wouldn't want to rob a bank with this guy, imagine how that interrogation would look like! 😮
Poker Swindler starring Tom Durrrrr Dwan 😂😂😂😂
If the story doesn't make sense, call. Ya, I CALL.
I’ve never heard an adult man use the word “grumpy” to describe other adult men as much as Tom does.
Why poker players use shades to cover their eyes? Why Dwan in most of this interview refused to look into the camera? Be your own judge.
Wow... Maurice Hawkins is more believable than Tom Dwan
Dwan plays high stakes poker in million dollar games and has won million dollar figures in his games but does an interview in his phone and constantly shot below his neck and shaking constantly. Judge yourself what his character is.
That whole 5-35 min section was the same 5 min conversation seven times on loop 😂
and ironically still unintelligible
Seems pretty simple. Tom saying Peter is broke and is now choosing specific Credits that benefit him while ignoring outstanding Debts that he owes. The fact that neither Nittuci nor Tom could summarize this very simple story in under an hour is a real head scratcher. For those of you still lost continuing to say that Tom owes him, why on earth would Tom agree to and intermediary and escrow situation??
" i had a piece of another guy who wasn't involved...." Did Dwan graduate high school?
Good to see Nick V and Veronica B conducting a good interview by asking him directly and trying their best to get to the point. True journalism!
One of the most impressive thing on this entire pod is that none of them are drunk. I doubt any of them including Tom know what the conversation was all about. Amazing mumble jumble - well done
I saw Tom doing another interview about these accusations with the same camera angle.
He's on a Nostril interview tour.
So if Tom owes you money and you're grumpy or an ahole to him, thats reason enough for him not to pay you. Kewl Tom. Grow up.
I've been in these situations. It doesnt matter if you grovel at their feet, kiss their a. They will never pay you back. F em.
Tom is all over the place and makes absolutely zero sense. I listen to this for 15 minutes and had to turn it off. Based on his demeanor and mumbling responses, pretty sure he knows he owes money. Nick and Veronica are both intelligent people and are well-versed in the Poker community dealings and even they are bewildered by his responses.
Tom loves the up the nose shot on all these interviews
Bro I can’t even listen to all of this, Veronica is like wtf is wrong with this guy 😂
She’s just saying what we’re all thinking…
Also,; drugs. That is all.
People are mad at Tom for not paying some manic rich guy back. I’m just mad at Tom for filming his under chin in every prompt interview
Concise, to the point, and convincingly cogent storytelling.
Tom is a legend, hardly anyone knows who Jetten or Harlabos even are.
More people know Bob than durr in the gambling community and it isn't even close
@@christopherpritchard3164 Talking about in general..is a company going to make Miki and Bob the face of there company or Dwan? Do they have Leaf trading cards?..Tom is a living legend.
Haralobos is the legend and it's not even close, if you know.
Everybody's gotta friend like this, ask for your money once "sure no problem," ask twice no response, ask a 3rd time nòw YOUR the a-hole harassing them and they want the accounting for the past 20 years of your life
My grandma used to tell me “ if a friend asks you for money and you say ‘no’ you lose the friend. If you say ‘yes’ you lose the friend and the money “
Harolobos explaining the story on hcl with Tom sitting right beside him was hilarious.
LAYMEN’S terms after 2 hours of Rubic’s cube.
Peter was +452K at one point. He requested to cash out, so he gets half, 226k. Tom never paid the 226k. Peter then went on a 1.6M downswing so he was 1.6M in makeup. But he had never got the 226k and it's 3 years later now. Tom thinks he shouldn't have to pay because Peter lost 1.6M after that. But they agreed to settle up when he was winning and tom never paid, so tom should pay it.
So Tom basically is upset and lost a ton backing him but Peter still wants to get paid
The backer is always responsible for the losses (the makeup) IMO!
I wish I read this first 😂
Is Tom on drugs why didn’t he just say that bro just kept on saying shit that doesn’t make sense
@@Way2fast4u82yeah me to Tom is on crack
No, the issue is that Jetten never sent the accounting and didn’t want private arbitration. Instead, Jetten went public knowing Dwan went into 1.6M makeup to help a friend out.
So Jetten wanted to cash out half of 500k he was owed. He never got paid. Then Jetten goes on to torch 1.6mil. Why would he still expect to get paid? He owes 1.1 million.
This is hard to watch. Tom is incoherent and comes off as a scammer.
TOM IS SMOKED THE F OUT
Haralabob needed Tom to make his bets because no books want his action, why would they want to take a sharks huge bets. Bob is as shady as anyone
What the.......
This makes so sense.
1. Say what happened.
2. Give a time frame.
3. Who owes who what.
4. Tell the story in chronological order
if Tom is trying to gain public sympathy this press tour isn't working
Tom is not the type guy who cares about public sympathy
there's no other motivation to go on podcasts and talk about it tho
So this is the Culmination of Poker Greatness: Non-Stop Bluffing + Much $$$ Owed 😮
29 mins in, and tom is making absolutely no sense whatsoever, not only that, his body language has all the qualities of someone that’s lying or at the very least trying fix shit, looking rough fort so far, lmk keep watching…..
No wonder he was dominant when he came into poker scene. People had no idea what and how he was thinking because he doesn't even know what he is thinking.
im going to quit gambling after this. i know players that cheat, poker dealers and floors that cheat. it seems the cheating is more sophisticated the the higher stakes you go.
How is is done and where?
People calling Dwan names know absolutely nothing about the world of high-stakes poker/gambling... Tom is clearly on the spectrum & having difficulty communicating which allows assholes like Jetten take advantage of him...
Must be why him and jungle get along lol
19:08 ~glances down to look at phone, and stops mid sentence~
😳🤯”What the fuck is that cat? Who’s cat is that?!”
Tom is really good at providing details, specifics and context for what he's saying
What kinda drugs is he on? Just imagine if his mortgage company called him asking why a payment is late! 🙈
Adderall?
How much better could this interview have begun if Nick just led with the question, "Who is Peter Jetten, and describe your relationship with him."
Tom is using every tactic in his arsenal to make this topic as confusing as possible. It’s working.
“Shitload of stuff going on.”
Who owes who money? Pay up. Move on. How difficult is this?
its difficult bc tom doesnt want to admit he owes money.
He is broke what do you don't understand simple he owes money to different people and big amounts of money 💰 but can't pay them OK
I can see how shit would get weird when your separately in make up 800k to the guy your saying needs to pay up on a different matter, right now
Good Job Nick for trying to get a yes or no out of the man, an impossible task. Nick's reaction at 36 min is exactly what everyone is thinking.
Tom owes me $50 for the cocaine I sold him before this interview lmfao.
I can vouch i sent him to you who send him to tony, but then tony was out so tony had take a taxi to robbie from.bike store who said he wont deal with dwan cuz he owed 100 , who the tony had 300 so in all actuallity tony pay 200 for the cuban but really the car broke down so tom dwan owes me 700$
After this interview... I believe the other guy. Tom Dwan is unable to defend himself.
First 15min sounds like Peter had a cash out of $226k that Tom owes. But then Ike and Tom backed Peter and Peter lost $1,600,000. So Peter is on a losing streak and wants to be paid a previous cash out after losing 1.6M. Sound right? If Dwan did owe Peter $226k, I would just treat it as Peter is in make up of $1,374,000 and go from there.
Tom talks in his code that he understands - not in terms that even normal poker players can get. The general public would understand Italian better than this.
Tom Dwan is lying. He is trying to confuse Nick and Veronica, but he looks terrible. ACR choosing Dwan as his ambassador is a terrible desition.
lol Tom clearly talks his way through life and we all know these people they have have zero real friends and believe there own lies. Unreal how Tom uses not paying people back cause there mean, and there rude cause you don’t pay dude 😅
The bottom line is, gamblers, especially High Stakes gamblers depending on which side of the ledger they're on, think everything is negotiable. The way they lend money to each other and make side deals is so opaque, it woud require a quantum physicist to figure out. As for Tom, he is a Poker Savant, but, his social skills are obviously convoluted, it has nothing to do with being on tilt. It's just the way it is, some people are just obtuse. The way I see it, both parties are guilty.
This is possibly the strangest episode ever in history of podcasts; respectfully ⚡️⚡️⚡️
8:08 the look on veronicas face tells you all you need to know about this clusterfuk
Yea if you really listen closely it does make sense the SIMPLIFIED VERSION: TOM backs a guy named peter, peter looses and is on make up (owes money) guy cries and says hes in a bad spot and tom essentially forgives his make up.... peter later asks for a cash out from tom in a spot where he is owed money from tom. Peter calls out tom on twitter in an attempt to tarnish his image. Tom gets pissed of and now is asking for accounting on the money that he is owed in make up ans the cash out...
THERE ARE ALOT MORE DETAILS but thats kinda it
Right, and about 46:20ish is where it clicked for me(I think). This is what being nice and doing business/favors with your "friends" gets you(and apparently also in high stakes gambling). You can see/hear the mixed emotions throughout the interview. Peter was a friend, he didn't have much money(for high stakes anyways), he's probably broke, Tom let the make up and a few other things slide and wasn't caring to keep track of the $ b/c Peter was in worse financial shape, and Peter is wanting the money now and more or less thanked Tom for his generous spirit throughout the years of letting things slide. Tom likely not in an easy spot himself financially and feels betrayed. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the jist of what I think happened. Anyways, Peter should do an interview--these tweets aren't exactly good and paint a very incomplete picture, if what Tom is saying is true.
This was an incoherent mumbling rant, and we are all now dumber for having heard it.
Imagine having a daughter and she is bringing over a new boyfriend, and the one thing you know about him is that he is a poker player. Talk about a bad beat. I would lock the doors. These are the lowest of the low because they waste their lives producing nothing. 100 percent are involved in scams, yet they still walk around like no big deal. Haralabob is worse that Dwan.
the crazy thing about the harlabob deal is that he was on a complete freeroll and was up millinos for free
55:50 ... I think this is an example of why Tom is so hard to follow, and why he is hesitant to give every exact detail. He mentions money being seized by the US govt during "Trump Russian mafia case" and later goes on to say that it was seized because of allegations of illegal gambling.
These situations have many moving pieces, multiple people and deals involved, and possibly some of which is illegal. He also keeps saying that he was worried that Jetten was going to go public with his text messages. I'm beginning to see why it's hard to follow... and it's because some of the information is being purposely withheld.
He should just tell them to get a lawyer and sue him .. judge can determine if it’s legit or not which it probably isn’t
A judge wouldnt listen to this at all.
Tom says like a lot…like a lot of