From Where Do We Manifest? | Konstantin Kisin
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Konstantin Kisin and Jordan Peterson discuss and debate the origin of human sentience, whether it be from God or internal intuition.
Konstantin Kisin is a Russian-British satirist, social commentator, and co-host of the TRIGGERnometry UA-cam show. He is also the author of “An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West,” a Sunday Times Bestseller. He has written for several publications including Quillette, The Spectator, The Daily Telegraph, and Standpoint on issues relating to tech censorship, woke culture, comedy, and other topics, but currently publishes articles on his popular Substack. Kisin made headlines in 2018 when he refused to sign a "safe space contract" to perform comedy at a British college and again in 2023 when he participated in an Oxford Union debate on the motion of "This House Believes Woke Culture Has Gone Too Far". His speech at the debate received viral attention and has been seen by over 100 million people around the world.
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God bless all who watch this!😇
Awesome conversation. Seriously probing questions of the highest order. Food for the soul. Thank you gentlemen.
Thank you Jordan. You have been not only the most influential sponsor and motivator figure In my life, but most important your word and your speeches save my life when it lost faith, hope, and confidence myself. I couldn’t get out of the dark and couldn’t feel anything no more. You came and inspired my life and give a reason to educate myself at my 34 year’s old. Only faith and the need to survive became oxygen again.
The illusion of being back in my daughter life were my only destination.
God save my life through your messages one night about to overdose in my cristal meth addiction, and still don’t know how exactly by watching and listening over and over your video, classes and interviews, me being without the mental capacity, brain damaged and also with a malfunctioning brain condition disease.. some of those lessons got stuck in my subconscious and little by little became my daily breath.
Thank because I’m here today because of your work, also got my daughter back in my life.
Coming from a humble, Spanish country, exiled, persecuted for the communist regime of Castro and being blessed to be in a land of freedom, and human rights, the country I dream always to be, fight and die for, after all the traumas, and recovering night from a pass… is a beautiful privilege and blessing to have you guide me and educate me in basic fundamental, principles values in moments of death. You help me to walk again. Thank you for being you! Always grateful SenSai 🙏
The love and grace of God always blessed your soul full of wisdom and grace to keep leading generations good master.
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They are cutting the Crystal meth with Bath Salts and sometimes it is all Bath salts that is what gives the high a kind of mystical dreamy almost heroinish dreaminess to it you know when your eyes seem like the colors in the sky and everyone and everything you see is a little like painted brushed stroked in places. They are doing it to all the crystal and some heroin do you know how cheap bath salts are compared to dope??? I mean I brushed my teeth with it one night I was loosing my mind before I did that but Id never done it before with anything any time I was on different meds and took like 12 showers all in a row I put epsom salt and probably the bath salts too in my hair to wash it. Months later my hair is still fryed. ANyways That's the secret the drug dealers are making mega millions BILLIONS buy a whole bag of bath salts that's where some of the color comes from in the dope sometimes it has a different color to it. Its from Bath Salts PLEASE hon Ive been on dope I really have I got hooked on cocaine crank and they mixed my crack with shmack so there it was pretty messed up hooked all at once. But this is what their trick is they kill one person after another it doesnt matter because people keep breeding of course babies are AWESOME but it's a rough story if they are brought up in a drug den. They kill people and still make millions and billions now since bath salt is so cheap.
Jesus' has got you Im so happy to meet you and see that you are recovering please always remember they are not your friends they never will be they are out for the MONEY and DEATH only that is all. Those dealers get off on other peoples misery.
Amazing! Totally made sense. We are each unique individuals. We are also permanently and eternally connected. We are different, yet we somehow and miraculously understand each other. Mr. Peterson, you are a great teacher of our time. It is an honor to listen to you.
i appreciate the work you are doing jordan.
i came to many of the same conclusions through studying alchemy and freud, people called me crazy all through my teens and early 20s, and i desperately wanted more people to talk about it with.
it's a little embittering that my some people, like my dad, couldn't see my points of view until an academic well into his years mirrored them to some extent. then again, perhaps i wasn't as clear as i could have been.
nonetheless, i'm glad these ideas are becoming more popular. you're moving the tide.
Peterson is a true Metaphysician. In the most honorable sense.
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That shared connection of God is the experience of your intuition. God is inside all of us and that connects us all spiritually.
I’m kind of speechless, Dr. Peterson. Can’t put my thoughts into words. I will definitely be hunting more into this subject. Thanks
Wow! This hits the nail on the head. I have been struggling with trusting others, people I love. They say, "Do you love me, trust me". But I have been burned by this so many time. It occurred to me that I can only trust the part of this person that shares in this collective higher consciousness, their higher self so to speak. When I do this and they violate this union, and if I continue loving them, then my love brings healing and the other becomes aware of the violation of their own higher self and healing can take place. Thanks Jordan for your wisdom.
The first thing you have to understand is that people are capable of loving you deeply and hurting you as well. The difference is that people who genuinely care about you will try to improve and won't be afraid to admit when they're wrong. Since everyone is broken in their own way, expecting love without troubles is impossible.
@@MegaMerdeux Thanks L T. I am getting it. This has been painful but as J P says wisdom has its price.
Old movies showed classes of people. Upper and lower. As someone raised Socialist I rejected this assumption. Growing old with life experience I found out that in most cases it's really accurate.. That "Pretty Woman" story, ain't happening. She's a ho.
@@MegaMerdeux thank you
Humility is the Key point IMO.
This was immensely informative. Thank you for everything.
Just brilliant. "The structure of the environment is built into the organism".
The expression of ideas here is just so beautiful
This whole discussion was fascinating, watching you rearrange the deck of cards to some higher level structure. I particularly enjoyed your style in the last three or so minutes of this clip. It sounds to me like you understand but are constructing a way to bring others across. Below are my thoughts on the thumbnail question, 'God or intuition?' I remember our previous 'discussion' on this which was interesting about the self and how I wasn't completely convinced you weren't hearing God's voice, but calling it Self. I assume the self is something Jung considered intuition. Anyway, let me flesh this out a bit.
If in conversation I speak to you, it isn't your intuition. Why is my voice not your internal voice of intuition? Is it because I have my own being, separate and apart from you and my words are outside of you? What if my words - something I've said to you - you internalize and carry with you and you abide by these words. Do they become your intuition then; my words as thoughts from within you? Or do they remain in origin from me and you integrate them into yourself, like impartation (or another level, you manifest my words through your living actions). I think it's more the later when it comes to God's voice. The voice of your intuition is separate from God’s voice. So then, am I hearing the Spirit of God or am I listening to my own intuition?
Intuition: a thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning.
Faith: the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.
Intuition isn’t faith based. It’s ‘instinct’ based and human in nature. Any actions you’ve made throughout your life that were based upon an instinctive feeling, ‘this is the right path for me’, ‘I just know this is the wrong way’, ‘this feels positive and right’, then it is your intuition. Intuition doesn’t normally act in opposition of how one FEELS on the inside.
Faith, however, acts in all opposition to the outside and inside. ‘…though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him…’
Any actions you’ve made throughout your life that were based on faith, ‘there is no evidence this will work, but my actions could produce that evidence through what I create’, then you most likely are acting upon a word from God. Or, as we Christians might put it, being led by the Holy Spirit. Your actions are not based on reason, per se, or on circumstances as they are in the present, but rather based on a higher notion or hope of a better future, or a positive outcome, even as the storms blow everything to pieces around you. It is faith that keeps our eyes focused on the word from God. (This develops into even greater feats as we walk with God and learn to more accurately hear His voice.) There’s nothing to focus on with intuition. It’s only an instinctive feeling. At some point, this line becomes less discernible, and I think intuition yields to God’s voice once our spiritually hearing is developed.
It’s a learning process, learning to hear, and understand who’s voice we are hearing. It can be honed I believe. God has nothing to do with intuition. One way we learn is by reading the Bible. We enter into conversation with Him in this way - as long as we stay humble, otherwise He refuses to engage and hides Himself - and by talking with someone, we learn more about them and we can even differentiate who we are talking with by the words and phrases they use - there is a personality there. Intuition has no personality. God has an incredibly distinctive personality. ‘My own know My voice.’
Intuition is abrupt and short lived. A moment’s fleeting feeling, not a stance. It has no substance.
Faith is enduring, diligent and empowers one to advance forward against all odds.
It wasn’t Noah’s intuition that empowered him to keep building, through day after day of insults, ‘keep hammerin’ away there old man’, ‘oh look, here comes a flood in that tiny rain cloud over there.’ No, it was hope in God’s word and he kept building, kept creating and remained faithful until he manifested an Ark in this natural world because of it. And look, he was the only human saved, along with his family. The mockers, the scoffers were swept away. There’s no power of hope in intuition. Intuition is not a separate being, but part of the human. With God, through Him comes the increase and the word of salvation.
The concept of the collective unconscious is interesting, it challenges traditional views of individualism and emphasizes the shared experiences and cultural patterns that shape our understanding of the world. By exploring it, we can gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and the society we live in, and potentially identify shared patterns and beliefs that shape our collective identity. A nice antidote to times of extreme individualism.
“Anyone who chooses to walk into a church on Sunday morning may see a hundred men each alone with his Maker. He stands in the presence of one of the strangest spectacles in world-a mob of hermits”. Of course this isn’t for the dualist…
@@esterhudson5104 dualists?
Well said. 100% correct.
There is nothing communal about Christianity. Desperately trying to pull something that is not there..
There is also the conscious collective which is related to your points. Explore conscious collective to learn about society (proper). Exploring both is useful
Awesome, love the free flow. Sharp suit Jorden!!
I pulled a bulb of garlic out of the ground. Each individual clove in the bulb was encapsulated in a sort of sheath that bound them all together and then extended out, became green shoots, and reached towards the sun. This thing that bound the individual cloves connects with the sun and gives them all life. A single clove isn’t much of anything without this light and life-giving, extra something that connects all the cloves. If you remove the clove from the bulb, it is cut off from the light and dies. But, if you pluck any individual clove out of the bulb and plant it in the soil, it turns out the clove has a little of this “extra something”within itself. One can see this as it sprouts and grows and reaches towards the light forming new cloves. God is the extra something, the sheath that binds us all, connecting our consciousness, giving us light and life - the thing that many point to as being external to ourselves. However, at the very same time, that extra-something God is also within us just like in the clove. The divine is both external and internal simultaneously.
Great easy explanation
I remember reading about the demon part from xenophon. God only knows what was going down. Thinking further on this subjects on spirits I remember this verse from the bible
Micaiah Prophesies Against Ahab
1 Kings 22:22
Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’ ‘By what means?’ asked the LORD. And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.’ ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’ So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”
my question is to what extent are things like anger and love or jealousy spirits also? do we get possessed by these spirits? and where do demons come in? or even angels?
Please spell it daemon or daimon like the Greek or else people substitute it for the devil ... which it is not.
Wiki >>>
Daimon or Daemon (Ancient Greek: δαίμων, "god", "godlike", "power", "fate")[1][2] originally referred to a lesser deity or guiding spirit such as the daimons of ancient Greek religion and mythology and of later Hellenistic religion and philosophy.[3] The word is derived from Proto-Indo-European daimon "provider, divider (of fortunes or destinies)," from the root *da- "to divide".[4] Daimons were possibly seen as the souls of men of the golden age acting as tutelary deities, according to entry δαίμων at Liddell & Scott.[5] See also daimonic: a religious, philosophical, literary and psychological concept.
I so wanna try and answer your question there at the end, but I'll come back to it. Busy at the moment
Apostle Joshua Selman has an expanaive study on the Spirit realm on youtube and I think you can find some answers to your questions there. I thibk its the video on deliverance.
To the extent we participate\act in them.
From experience, it certainly feels like a possession, not that I would really understand what a possession would feel like. When I'm angry, there is a part of me that feels separate and objectively aware of what my body is feeling. Like I'm watching myself be angry or sad. I've found myself crying uncontrollably but still rationalizing and observing myself acting that way and wondering why. It's hard to explain. In the midst of anger, I've had conversations in my head asking myself why I'm angry. Usually because things aren't going my way. Sometimes that calms me down. Helps with depression sometimes too.
Dr. Peterson is a remarkable person. I understand what he's explaining.
Thankfully, I stumbled upon "The Courage to Be" by Paul Tillich.
I believe it's a crucial work to understand as an American (I don't know how well it translates to other languages, or without prior knowledge of ancient Greek and 20th century German philosophy, and 21st century American theism).
Pretty interesting that this video comes out now. I was just thinking about this sort of thing last night.
Dr. Peterson reminds of Dr. Feynman quite often. His precise speech and insistence on it are extremely important in opposition to the modernist schizophrenia of our current culture.
I think around 12:20 JP’s metaphor hit Konstantin like a brick wall. Started blinking rapidly, fidgeting, touching face, shifting in seat, etc. it had the same affect on me tbh
That's a good catch. I didn't count, but it does look like his blink rate doubled.
@@Zanroff yep. His blinking it what I noticed first and then I paused and rewound and compared that to his more “confident” behavior minutes before. Could be nothing but looks revealing
@@CanWeGetDeep it could just be that he has a temper problem and he's embarrassed that people will know.
Interesting take. I also noticed KK's change in behaviour, but it struck me as a sign of disbelief, in that his root question was still not being addressed. I saw his behaviour as indicative of him assessing the appropriateness of JP's response, and finding it wanting.
As an aside, these differences in interpretation remind me of the image of the gold/white or blue/black dress that was doing the internet rounds a number of years ago - we're all receiving the same information, but interpreting it wildly differently.
@@01alphaomega01 love your take and think that could be just as likely- I’m sure my bias favoring JP influenced me to see it through those lenses- but if I may respond, respectively.
I have no official education in psychology or reading body behavior but I would figure that the increase in movement and blinking would signal an increase nervousness or uncertainty (might not be the right words) If this happened to be correct, then maybe Konstantin being introduced to a new interpretation/translation of “the belief in God” made his wheels start to turn to process this new data. Causing a state of “chaos” as JP would put it. Not that he necessarily agreed with the interpretation but had to at least think about it for a minute and try to poke holes.
When I’m in disbelief I feel like I pause and stare more than anything, almost in a “WTH are you talking about?” way. Who knows though?! Thank you for the discussion, my friend. CHEERS!
I’d love your thoughts on this:
I was thinking about DNA lately and I’ve been trying to put something important into words.
In your DNA is the mistakes and the trials and the struggles and the successes and the love of life of a million ancestors.
Written in you is the wisdom of a billion mistakes and a billion close calls and a billion moments of courage.
Written in you is a will to live that’s survived famines and wars and epidemics. Written in you is the ability to rise again and again.
These forces pull and push us from deep in a nervous system older than language, older than eyes, older than fragmentation, perhaps.
As far as I can tell, everything I’ve said is accurate. Maybe you’d agree. What if this wisdom written into you chose to have children, and therefore is happy you’re here? What if the human mind can’t help but personify this wisdom as a parent? Since your parents and their lessons are part of that code, doesn’t it kinda make sense that this could be the beginning of the idea of God?
If nothing else, the urge to hug, the search for delight, the reflex to smile, are like angels of connection that link us all.
Thanks for reading that. Hopefully, it’s not just nonsense.
I enjoyed every word
Fascinating. Love wrestling with the big questions like this. Whether it’s god or not it’s a really powerful tool.
I once cut the two bottom strands of a wire fence, thinking I'd keep the fence, in concept. That top wire was a real pita. Twice I put the cutters on that top strand of fence, but a mental entity stopped me cutting it,each time. A supremely fit door sized guy tried to bash me after I stopped him stomping on my friends chest. First time he charged me I sidestepped and he managed to swipe me in the mouth. The second time, I ducked under the wire, and he hit that wire at full speed and stopped. I ran and got away. Divine intervention saved me.
God and Intuition are the Same thing! 😊❤
This is a question I've thought on for a long time. It's definitely beyond the knowledge we have if it's a biological process. A ghost in the machine is about the most accurate way to say that.
If it's along the spiritual front, that knowledge is beyond me. Although I'm coming closer every day to believing that's the case.
My intuition tells me there is a specific ultimate trascendental principle to the structure of reality, independent to all the contingencies in the universe.
Every sentance Jordan speaks is Full of Information, , Knowledge, ....
Part of the reason that we consider it God because it transcends time. ⏰
Not listening to it has proven me to be more short-sited than it. Time has revealed over and again that I should have listened to it, and that it knew of pitfalls and opportunities that were impossible for me to know at the time. Jung’s concept of “Synchronicity” also demonstrates this.
JP is very fixed in his view of God and ends up not explaining where that little voice we all have within us comes from. It is the higher aspect of ourselves and comes from within. If you focus on that rather than everything that demands your attention every 5 minutes, you can find more peace, more sense. We were blessed with time during lockdown. We should remember that time and what we were forced to learn about ourselves
I am an anti-theist, who has deconverted from Christianity, after decades of staunch theism. And yet I still can’t wrap my mind around the greatest mystery in the world; humans propensity to worship something.
A Logos, or a Damon, or our intuition (guided by our microcosmic) that we all seem to be guided by, to some extent, is just as mysterious to me now. Lots to think about here. Humans guiding spirit, if you will, unites us more than we are willing to acknowledge. Seems we all worship that spirit in different ways…but we all worship! Whether it is our Logos, our Damon, or our Intuition (however misguided it may be).
This man always blows my mind! 🤯
Really liked this piece and saw the explanatory power of your arguments, JBP. I also find something familiar and common in KK's points but it seems to me avoidant in nature (I will not have this 'God' supercede or over me)... sounds strangely biblical
Jordan P
Absolutely love your channel.
Can you please try and have a talk with Tony Heller . Real Climate Science and other stuff as he is a clever guy and big thinker questioning everything as you do
Please
Thank you
love it.
The only reason we even understand each other and love and compassion is possible is because we have this common composition of not just body and mind, but something deeper. If people don’t want to call this a soul, so be it, but this element spans human history which is why we can read these ancient books of wisdom to begin with.
There need not be by necessity a single highest order, principal etc. There can be simultaneous highest orders, sequential highest orders, temporal highest orders, situational highest orders. The highest order could be to simply survive and experience the material realm into which we have come to find ourselves. Each subsequent highest priority, focus, reverence etc. can change according to the experience of each moment in which by necessity the focus or adherence to the highest order fluctuates. The need for food could trump the moral principal "do not kill" depending on the severity of need at any given moment. The impulse to survive as an individual could be higher than the need to protect another from harm or death. The opposite could also be true. Our experience is our sensory reaction to and reflection of the environment in which we exist. Our ideas are formed by our interaction with the stimuli that surrounds us, including our interaction with other living organisms. Morality is the agreed upon behaviour between a group, be the group as small as 2, such as a couple or lager such as a community, a workplace, a team, a nation or the entire human race. Morality can't occur in a vacuum. Morality doesn't come from "god" it comes from experience and is a component of group maintenance vis a vis cooperation, cohesion and solidarity. Animals also exhibit "morality" through acts of reciprocity, empathy and via the display of a conceptual awareness of a sense of fairness.
so good
❤ you Jordan - I’m believing I’m going to meet you 1 day, to quickly be able to shake your hand and say thank you for impacting my life. ❤🎉 #christianclub ⛪️is❤️
Same.
JP is a genius!
By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you will be happy. If you get a bad one, you will become a philosopher.
-Socrates
Jordan rung his bell with the “anger” metaphor
“An Earth…Duck!” 🦆
Inside your mind
From where do we manifest?
The Universe.
Regardless of scriptural narrative or theories of evolution, the Universe created the Sun and this Solar System.
More important questions, however, than "Where did we come from?", are these:
1) "What is God?" (When that word was created, what was the organic meaning?)
2) "WHAT are we?" (It's impossible to definitivly answer: "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" until the answer to "What am I?" gets answered.
In my exploration of answers to these 2 main questions, I began with an athiest phase at around 11 due to too much churchian bs.
This lead to this presumption: "If God even exists, God has the power and ability to prove it."
This is when I started seeking the answer to the question "What is this thing called 'God' or 'gods' really?", and long story short, I came to the conclusion that the organic meaning is that Universe = God (Alpha & Omega - The Beginning, The End and The All... The sum total of all things that ever were, are or shall be.]
This provoked this question next: "Is the Universe a sentient entity?"
There is, debatablly, merit to 'intelligent design' observations, but more conclusive is this:
Since the Universe created the Sun & Solar System, and created everything in existance on Earth... and since that which creates something can't endow the creation with anything which it doesn't have... the Universe must be innately sentient or it could not create sentient life within it.
At this point, various scriptures (Genesis, Rigi Vedas, curtural mythology) are seen from a very different point of view. While the answer to the question "What is God?" was lacking much detail, it was finally a tangible answer. Yes, the Universe exists. Checkmate atheism! :-p
On to the question, "What am I?"
Again, long story short, I came to the conclusion I am a Soul incarnated. When pressed by athiest culture to "prove it", I point to the most obvious evidence: When we examine or look at a cadaver, it is obvious something is missing.
Without needing to define the exact details of what a Soul is (Anatomy of the Soul is not needed), and in light of the above definition of 'God'... I present Richard Dawkins himself as definitive evidence to all athiests as the proof that both God and the Soul, do in fact, exist.
"Εστί Δίκης Οφθαλμός ος τα πάνθ'ορά" Τhe triangle with the Eye in the middle there is in many Orthodox temples, monasteries.
Also Socrates didn't leave because he was determined he had to bow to the Law even they were unjust.
Regarding the organism as a macrocosm of its environment Dawkins and Peterson are talking about the As Above So Below theory, a maxim beloved by occultists and philosophers from Crowley to Da Vinci
If we are created in the image and likeness of God, of course we will have “discernment” or “knowing” or what we call intuition. It’s just us being connected to the supreme universal consciousness, God.
In my experience
We have 7 level of thinking or daimentions. 8th belongs to death.
Till 5 is for everyone. Logic word belongs to 4th for duality. 5 is only positivity, 5th is love. The one, self, soul,God. The one who knows that other and me is one, all is one, male and female is one,Every duality is one. 6th level soul stays in between two eyes it gives all the positive effect to the all body. In 7th level soul become third eye and conact with God.
You can believe it's just intuition. But I think it's good to notice that the same people who tend to not believe in God also tend to not believe in the importance of the family. Which is an interesting consistent pattern. Also they tend to choose lust over love. The self over serving others. And so on.
dying with conscience intact seems pretty important
C S Lewis is brilliant on this. We all share common appetites that are satisfied by natural means, but we also all share a desire for the eternal that is equally as real. The universal appetite itself verifies the existence of something more.
I love how this was covered in Abolition of Man and Mere Christianity
Anthromorphism
Could be a evolutionary trick
@@andrewwilson9183 The contingency for this is clearly far deeper than natural selection.
@@howardbabcom
Why do you say that
(2) Socrates approached questions of ethics and morality through careful reasoning and critical thinking, using logical argumentation and the Socratic method to arrive at deeper insights.
In ancient Greece, philosophy and religion were often intertwined, and philosophical inquiries often involved questions of the divine and the nature of the universe. However, Socrates' approach to philosophy was primarily focused on rational inquiry and the pursuit of knowledge, rather than religious belief or dogma.
In some religious traditions, such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, God is often seen as beyond human comprehension and cannot be fully defined or understood by human beings. In these traditions, God is often described in terms of attributes, such as omniscient , omnipotent, but these descriptions are not considered to be exhaustive or definitive .In many monotheistic God is typically seen as perfectly good and morally perfect, and the idea of God being equally good and evil is generally rejected. These religions typically teach that God is the source of all goodness and that evil is the result of human sin or the actions of demonic forces.
In some philosophical and religious traditions, the idea of God being both good and evil is seen as a possible interpretation of the divine nature. For example, some forms of Hinduism, such as Advaita Vedanta, hold that ultimate reality is both good and evil, and that the apparent duality of good and evil is an illusion. Similarly, in certain forms of Gnosticism, the God of the Old Testament is seen as a demiurge or imperfect creator, who is both good and evil.
In other philosophical traditions, such as those influenced by the works of Plato and Aristotle, God is sometimes defined in more concrete terms. Aristotle's concept of the Unmoved Mover is often seen as a philosophical definition of God, as it describes a being that is eternal, self-sufficient, and the ultimate cause of all movement and change in the universe.
I don't know if it's true, but it makes sense to me, as it did to Stephen Hawking before he died, that the universe and awareness, and electricity always existed ... no creator ... or plan involved ... and that suffering of all forms of life ... is natural.
From the book … Travelling to Infinity: My Life with Stephen ... author Jane Hawking ... The True Story Behind the Theory of Everything.
Only a month later we found ourselves again in Rome, where Stephen was to be admitted by the Pope to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, despite the heresies he was still preaching about the universe having neither a beginning or an end.
I watched and listened from the sidelines and my heart sank as I heard it repeated again and again in some form or other. "Professor Hawking, what does your research tell you about the existence of God? Or "Is there room for God in the universe you describe?" or, more directly, "Do you believe in God?" Always the answer was the same. No, Stephen did not believe in God and there was no room for God in his universe.
From the book … The Mother Tongue … English and How It Got That Way … Author bill bryson.
Although this was an immensely long time ago-some 20,000 years before the domestication of animals and the rise of farming-these Cro-Magnon people were identical to us: They had the same physique, the same brain, same looks. And, unlike all previous hominids who roamed the earth, they could choke on food. That may seem a trifling point, but the slight evolutionary change that pushed man’s larynx deeper into his throat, and thus made choking a possibility, also brought with it the possibility of sophisticated, well-articulated speech.
Other mammals have no contact between their airways and esophagi. They can breathe and swallow at the same time, and there is no possibility of food going down the wrong way. But with Homo sapiens food and drink must pass over the larynx on the way to the gullet and thus there is a constant risk that some will be inadvertently inhaled. In modern humans, the lowered larynx isn’t in position from birth. It descends sometime between the ages of three and five months-curiously, the precise period when babies are likely to suffer from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. At all events, the descended larynx explains why you can speak and your dog can’t.
From the book
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By Jay Ingram … first published 1992 … an investigation into the mystery of speech …
The evolution of language is harder to study than the evolution of humans or any other living things. There are no fossil bones, no vestigial organs, and no relict species (like the cockroach or the lungfish): all modern languages are equally complex.* There is only the evidence that language comes from out brains, the assumption that our brains have been shaped by evolution, and the fact that there must have been a time when our ancestors-and their brains-didn’t have language. But how did it get there? We can only guess.
Even the believers admit it’s a tricky business, because if you are trying to re-create proto-World, your starting materials are languages which themselves have been reconstructed. There’s no firm ground to stand on, and you are reduced to comparing lists of words you think were part of languages thousands of years old in order to uncover the even more ancient ancestors of those words: and none of the words on the lists you’re starting with are written anywhere, even in the oldest available stone tablets.
Your being is "the microcosm of the cosmic macrocosm", Jordan says. But that means "you" bear the same relationship to your microcosm as God does to his macrocosmic manifestation! Now, what are "you"? At your core, you are a "spark of the divine", a sliver of God, so to speak. Awareness is the presence of God. The peculiar state of man is self-reflective awareness: he is aware of being aware. He can, in this reflection, recall memory; he can associate memory fragments into "ideas"; he can compare his ideas to his experience in a process of "judgement"; and he can "decide" to "act". The essential problem arises as he becomes enamored of these capabilities, which perturbs the clarity of his "imagination", the body of his "spark of divinity". The surface of this "body" is where the leadings of the central spirit are made apparent to the dawning self-awareness. But it's also where the state of moment-to-moment awareness is manifested, obscuring the appearance of the spirit's leadings. The lower, more sensory, complexes also reference the imagination. The concentrated focus of awareness clarifies the imagination so that it shows the spirit's leading. Similarly, a diffuse focus of awareness perturbs the imagination, causing a degree of confusion. The imagination ALWAYS shows the TRUTH; that is, the current state of awareness, whatever it may be. That is, necessarily, the operational truth. Kisin uses the word, "me", a lot--it's a personal manifestation of the micro--macro, inner--outer dichotomy that sets up the essentially illusory distinction, self vs God. As long as there is a "me/you" that prefers the truth to be a certain way, that "me/you" will MAKE IT THAT WAY! Awareness IS the very presence of the spirit of God--and it is everywhere, in everything, THE SAME ETERNAL SPIRIT! Whether orchestrating subatomic particles to produce an atom of matter, or motivating life processes, it is always the same spirit that animates awareness.
Some people don't have a 'voice that speaks to them'. I know this can be taken as a metaphor, but most people literally do have two streams of thought in their heads, which may disagree with each other. But some people have no internal dialogue at all. Some people have only one voice, and some hear many voices. I find that interesting.
I never hear a voice speaking in my head, but I can choose to think of verbally via subvocalization. For me, intuition is more like a feeling, a hunch.
@@spaceanarchist1107 Thinking verbally is internal dialogue, but you might be one of the people who has one voice.
@@nataliebutler I experience the "voice" as a direct act of will, the act of producing and creating the words. I am the speaker rather than the listener.
@@spaceanarchist1107 yes, that's normal internal dialogue.
@@nataliebutler Would the second voice be the daemon that Peterson is talking about? Is it possible that some people don't have them? Or can the daemon be a feeling rather than a voice? I don't really have any special kind of feeling that is different from my other feelings. The daemon seems to be a more specific thing than what I experience.
I’m an intuitive. I have always had strong almost glimpses into future events that have been about 90% accurate. Without a doubt, this comes from outside me.
Yep, that's tour brain calculating in the backoffice and sure have a very good one.
The more this Man educates himself
The more humble he becomes.
Sign of greatness.
Wokeism must be female
It brings life to one of my best quotes, which Ryan talks about in his book from Lord Mahon “Great men have almost always shown themselves as ready to obey as they afterwards proved able to command".
I can identify with a higher science of spirituality, it's an intuition. as well as a sense of being "more."
Difficult to explain, and philosophy seems to be too sketchy. I've experienced, that emotional pain
and prolonged illness brings about an awakening of higher consciousness. Meditation is a door.
When I went through chaos and illness years ago, a friend told me, time was ripe for meditation.
It was the beginning of a new way of feeling alive, and belonging to the universe.
jordan is lightyears beyond this guy
I always love watching Dr. Peterson steel man the other argument and then blow it away :)
Does the anger analogy actually answer Konstantins' question? If I'm not here then neither is the anger??
I think what Jordan peterson is saying here is that the hat analogy cant be universal because what i call a hat might not be what you call a hat.
But with anger, it becomes universal because even though we all get angry differently, there is a universal element to it that allows everyone to recognise it.
If you're not here your personal expression of anger isnt here but other people get a similar enough feeling to recognize it as Anger. I hope that made sense
Then God shows Himself in our common intuitions which are processed by our common biology which is shaped to correspond to a certain pattern of truths that exist in its natural environment which predicates the necessity of certain biological dispositions to complement them (to adapt to them). This would explain the necessity of a Unity in God, because he would be Truth itself, not as an abstraction, but as every characteristic that can be found in the elements of the universe, everything that is transcendental to an 'empty' counsciousness.
It has nothing to do with religion. It is pure philosophy.
I use to see it as a level of myself that perceives from a higher dimension. From this vantage point you see yourself as all timelines and possible potentialities in their individualized actuality. A multi dimensional infinitely fractalized possibly matrix.
You would make yourself a God, then. When you know very well that you are finite in your perception, locked in your own body. Only God who is infinite, outside time and space, can see as you describe.
@@SavageJonesIII6548 In part. Our finite perspectives sum up to the totality.
You're a little too locked in theology to really get it
@@SavageJonesIII6548 The sun isn't God just because it's bigger than us, same applies to the infinite structure. Infinity is a dimensional feature to describe the landscape, just like 3 dimensions we perceive our bodies in. Each one of those 3 are infinite in each direction. Remember number lines? ♾️...-3-2-101234...♾️. The infinity here is "quantized" or fractalized. The infinite is inherently made of finite pieces. But even those finite pieces can be zoomed into (1.01 1.02 1.03... Etc..), there are an infinite amount of subdivisions you can make between 1 and 2, the same for any set of numbers.
I claim to be part of the totality, you can't deny that. You are too.
@@SavageJonesIII6548 Extract some of your blood and put it under the microscope, you wouldn't say a single red blood cell is you but it is still part of you. It still makes you who/what you are. You are made up of many parts, but you wouldn't call each part the whole for obvious reasons.
Imagine you're one of those cells and the totality of your individual body at the same time, part of you is locked in the perception of a cell while the other part of you is locked in the perception that you are a conglomerate of cells. But this embedding isn't limited to your skin layer boundary, it continues outward. Your physical body is like a cell in a larger structure.
While it's important to understand your place as a cell it's also important to understand that the cell makes up an even larger body.
God understands that each cell is part of the whole is important, that's why it has love for all of it. That's where eternal love and forgiveness comes from for all things.
Clear as mud!😂
9:45 "An Earth ... duck. 'Earth duck'." 😅 Much different from the Europa ducks, let me tell you.
4:47 Yes, God is within us. However, it is better to ask what is at the center of your life. God as the center orients your life in a profound way that you or other person(s) cannot.
The all is one, the universe is mental…
Well Jesus we have been here before I didn't believe in God until I seen a vision of him for no reason and a child next to him I took that as meaning healing my inner chhood wounds
Did someone ask JB what was the meaning of life?
I'm gonna search but for my own introspection, the meaning of life is life, more life, spreading the more life we can and space is the next frontier even if we had to burn the earth.
I found out the video, it's clear and i agree.
My definition is for life in all forms, not only humans and correlates .
Hallow scammed me, no 3 month free trial and a prompt to pay. Why?
Jordan peterson and Ray comfort from living waters youtube channel with Ray comfort!!
Mr.Peterson got that drip
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We are created in the image and likeness of God!
🦆 Having a microcosm of the cosmic structure within us is an indication that it DOES exist independently from any one individual, in the same sense that if a duck has webbed feet, one can conclude that water exists independently of any one duck.
My thinking is that God IS intuition. its not a being but its more like an extension of our true being. The deepest level of existence. but it's nothing to worship and doesn't require that we force people into doing shit.
11:40 he really is a Greek philosopher haha
The True Word of God
Wtf was that ad in the middle 😢
Finally Jordan gets into how he views god.
I like that Peterson doesn't hide his feelings. He comments and then you can see it going through his mind. Haha LMAO body language is powerful.
The entire data set of the ultimate consciousness (the anima/the ether/God) is an infinite fractal of living "data" that remains infinite in size no matter how small the fragment. Everything (and I mean everything) contains the entire metaphysical "alphabet of God" within it. This universal language that is consciousness manifests itself in different patterns that results in different entites subject to different subjective experiences which then perpetuates said meta-language into evolving into a different pattern. But all patterns are simply different branches of the infinite tree. I am you, you are me. We are neither of us. We are and exist within the fabric of God. All of it.
The question is then: if the language of God is infinite, and one is simply a (ignorant) re-configuration of that infinite language, then how does one become a new language/word? Better yet: how does one become a new silence behind the word that gives it it's meaning?
Intuition is the doorhandle and god is the car.
As above so below.
I'm manifesting right now and making a terrible mess on the rug.
Del alma! We are but branches, connected to the Vine...but we have forgotten. It is the Truth. Gracias, Pescador de Hombres! The Gates of Hades shall not prevail.
For me I have a feeling that conscious is somehow God or a part of God. Negitave deamons disrupt the consciousness. Being able to recognise this is like being in an enlightened state.
God "speaks" via Inspiration & Epiphany... not with words.
Epiphany is the Vision.
Inspiration is the Motivation to Manifest the Vision.
Logos is the Source of Epiphany... fuck "The Greeks" who didn't really get that... other than Plato.. in his cave.
Inspiration is the "sum total of emotion" rising up to awareness.
Inspirations can be a single emotion, like Anger, which is very motivating.
Typically, people think Inspiration is only pleasent emotions, but all emotions are motivating to some end.
Lacking an Epiphany as a Vision, (also, in addition to), a "visualization" of a goal can make a decent substitute.
i.e. Visulization of steps to accomplishing a goal, or manifesting an Epiphany.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
Be in this world but not of it.
A** saved by the church, you really smart 🎉😮❤
6:45 The ancient Greeks sought the Logos, an idea having several meanings. The Logos was the meaning of all things. The Logos also meant the wisdom which is the understanding of the meaning of all things. And more commonly the Logos was the actual words which is the revelation of the understanding of the meaning of all things.
When Jerusalem melded with Athens in the first Century, the Greek speaking people of the Roman world came to believe that the Logos was actually Jesus Christ. The Truth is a person.
The apocalypse of john took the Logos verse straight from Heraclitus and added jesus at the end.
The words people use on the subject are very interesting, jerusalem melded with athens or when jordan talked about reconciliation between the two worldviews. It wasnt anything like that, it was not a philosophical debate at all, it was pure sword and fire against classical philosophy by the christians. The greek people didnt believe Logos was jesus christ, certainly not anyone who studied philosophy. Christians needed to make laws against the greeks, burn temples, close schools, burn books and kill people to ''reconciliate''. Unfortunately, these things arent taught to the people that need to know them.
@@thedeviousgreek1540 "It wasn't like that". Really? You talk about the Greek people as being antithetical to the Christians. In part they were the early Christians. It's sort of like when anthropologists ask "what happened to the Essenes?" Simple, they became Christians. The New Testament is written in Greek for God's sake. To hold to a notion that the Hellenistic Jews and their corresponding Gentile cohorts weren't at the center of this whole Christian metamorphosis is completely ludicrous. And by the way, the Greek Christians surely believed Christ was the Logos.
@@FromAcrossTheDesert Greek philosophy wasnt like the Essenes though, it wasnt anything like a hebrew cult. Philosophy actually survived to this day despite the millenia spanning war waged upon it by the christian dogma. Greek thought was in fact antithetical to christianity, as was roman thought.
Early christians coopted a lot of greek philosophy in their teachings (like logos) in an attempt to spread their religion, its the same reason why they wrote their bible in greek.
I wasnt talking specifically about hellenistic jews but for the greek world as a whole, even though there were hellenized jews that opposed christianity.
The notion that the greeks or hellenized people in general, simply converted to christianity is historically completely false, and it is a part of history carefully missed by christian intellectuals like jp. Christianity was favored in a world of religious tolerance by the mass of slaves and disenfranchised people of the roman world, while it held no favor by the educated (hellenistic or roman) population.
@@thedeviousgreek1540 The comparison to the Essenes is not a comparison of philosophy, but a comparison to invalid secular revisionism. Many Greeks became Christians, just as many early Jews.
No. The Bible (new testament) was written in Greek because that was the business language of the Roman Empire. (This is similar to English, today, being the language of the American trading sphere.) It was the Greeks (and to a certain extent the Jews) who were the tradespeople. You have your cause and effect backwards.
So, your contention was the philosophy belonged to the "educated" people and they rejected Christianity? False. Luke was a Doctor. Paul was highly educated, even though Peter and some of the others were tradesman. Have you read the book of ACTS?
I guess you're sort of conflating today with history. Because it is true that the "educated" in our era reject Christianity, but they also reject male and female, and the moral law. In other words, today's educated are completely crazy. However, I would agree with you they do match very closely with the "sophists" who ironically didn't believe in wisdom. I think a lot of intellectuals subscribe to a philosophy like that of the sophist Gorgias.
@@FromAcrossTheDesert ''Simple they became christians'' is not an accurate enough description as to why people abandoned their old religions and philosophical beliefs. There is a lot of context missing there, purposefully. It isnt a question of secular revisionism, it is just history. The revisionism was done a lot earlier by the church. We have a lot more sources as to how christianity spread in the americas, northern europe, africa and so many other places, people dont just become christian, yet we are to believe the educated greeks just converted?
As for the language, it is true that koine greek was used as english is today, but it was also the language of philosophy and science, higher education and the religious mysteries of the roman nobility. I dont have anything backwards, i already said they used greek language to spread their religion, im saying it was used for more than just one purpose.
The only examples you gave are the people who coined the religion, i was talking about the people that converted. Educated people of the time rejected christianity or you can even say christianity rejected them.
Gorgias suffered the wrath of the church, as did many other philosophers unfortunately, plagiarism, riducule or book burning was the practise for a thousand years. Gorgias was an ironic and paradoxical orator, i doubt the people you describe have anything to do with that, the fact that you conflated them actually speaks volumes to the religious revisionism. What you described as modern intellectualism sounds more like an ideology to me, sort of like a dogma. Philosophy and Logic is what you need against that, not jesus, in a world where philosophical debate is treated as a holy art you cannot hold ridiculous positions, in a dogmatic world of religion, you can.
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