I like looking at my instrument panel full of gauges, even when I am not flying, lol. That unpanel would take some getting use to, but the visibility is just unreal. I bet it is so nice to fly in.
As mentioned in the video, I wonder if its possible to mount the panel horizontally as opposed to vertically? Or maybe have both of both worlds and make it have the functionality of a relay really big ipad that auto orients itself. Cant' do this in a certified airplane!
I like the Unpanel Display, but would feel a little more cofortable with a couple of traditional backup instruments (i.e. Airspeed gauge, Turn and Bank indicator) to go a long with the Unpanel Dusplay. Would this be something that can be accommodated?
So, if it fails you are left with no instruments at all? With a regular panel if one fails you have the others to rely on. If this panel fails you have nothing. Zero. Sure, when was last time your computer screen failed? A point to consider, but going up with just that I am not sure, at all.
As the Unpanel folks explain on their video: Your cell phone is all the emergency back up instruments you need these days. You could easily tuck an old fashioned airspeed indicator and altimeter off to the side, but an iPhone mount would be sufficient.
Seems many have the concern that if you “loose” the only panel - you have lost “Everything”? I don’t understand this at all. What instruments do you really need to fly a little sport aircraft, that you don’t have by looking out the window.
Not everybody is a seat-of-the-pants aviator, and instruments are real necessities in certain situations. What do you see out the window when you are flying at night or in low visibility? Not much if you're flying across rural country. It's awful nice to have an altimeter, artificial horizon, and airspeed indicator then (and GPS!). Lose them all at once and you could be in a rather precarious situation. How about if you're in unfamiliar controlled airspace and the monitor blinks out and now you've lost your gps and the ability to adjust your com radios, along with all your flight instruments. Probably not a disaster, but if you're in busy airspace it could make things a bit hairy to say the least.
My biggest concern with this would be the brightness and visibility under direct lighting. granted that can be an issue even for conventional panel gauges, but they don't rely on backlighting. Also, can it be mounted in landscape mode? You mentioned it can be put in older models. Does this include the 701?
Based on our experiences flying with it since July we really have not seen any brightness and visibility issues. Mounting it landscape wouldn't be a problem though the software would need to be updated for that. We haven't looked into mounting it in a CH 701 (but don't foresee any real issues there).
Redundancy is key. Design that with two smaller horizontal panels and out a backup horizon on the firewall. This leaves you no options when things go bad.
Crackle black on the sheet metal behind the Pad and it would look a lot better. As-is it looks like someone stole your panel. Cupholders would fit back there. Or a microwave.
@Will Sails This. Back in the day, many moons ago when even the scenery was in black and white, I was doing my initial training and had very few hours. We'd done a few touch n go's, we're downwind on another and he says "you look pretty comfortable". Twenty year old me smirks and says"yep", and he says "really?" Next thing he's tearing pages out of his pad (not the Apple kind...), scrunching up the paper and using it to block out the instruments. "Comfortable now?" I wasn't, but did fine. TBH I wasn't great at landing before that, but it really helped with that, and no problems since.
Wish I could afford it! This is the panel of the future
I like looking at my instrument panel full of gauges, even when I am not flying, lol.
That unpanel would take some getting use to, but the visibility is just unreal. I bet it is so nice to fly in.
Thanks for letting me poke around the factory today! I was dying to know what panel that was!
Brilliant new system, love it.
As mentioned in the video, I wonder if its possible to mount the panel horizontally as opposed to vertically? Or maybe have both of both worlds and make it have the functionality of a relay really big ipad that auto orients itself. Cant' do this in a certified airplane!
Could this be used in the CH 650 with tradional steam gauges for backup?
Looks like the same glass panel as the Telsa Model S and X. Very nice!
I like the Unpanel Display, but would feel a little more cofortable with a couple of traditional backup instruments (i.e. Airspeed gauge, Turn and Bank indicator) to go a long with the Unpanel Dusplay. Would this be something that can be accommodated?
Yes, that would be easy to accommodate, either down on the center console or up by the top window (where the light switches are currently located)
Is glare an issue with the unpanel?
So, if it fails you are left with no instruments at all? With a regular panel if one fails you have the others to rely on. If this panel fails you have nothing. Zero. Sure, when was last time your computer screen failed? A point to consider, but going up with just that I am not sure, at all.
As the Unpanel folks explain on their video: Your cell phone is all the emergency back up instruments you need these days. You could easily tuck an old fashioned airspeed indicator and altimeter off to the side, but an iPhone mount would be sufficient.
Not a big deal for VFR.
Will it be available for the ch701?
Seems many have the concern that if you “loose” the only panel - you have lost “Everything”? I don’t understand this at all. What instruments do you really need to fly a little sport aircraft, that you don’t have by looking out the window.
Not everybody is a seat-of-the-pants aviator, and instruments are real necessities in certain situations. What do you see out the window when you are flying at night or in low visibility? Not much if you're flying across rural country. It's awful nice to have an altimeter, artificial horizon, and airspeed indicator then (and GPS!). Lose them all at once and you could be in a rather precarious situation. How about if you're in unfamiliar controlled airspace and the monitor blinks out and now you've lost your gps and the ability to adjust your com radios, along with all your flight instruments. Probably not a disaster, but if you're in busy airspace it could make things a bit hairy to say the least.
My biggest concern with this would be the brightness and visibility under direct lighting. granted that can be an issue even for conventional panel gauges, but they don't rely on backlighting. Also, can it be mounted in landscape mode? You mentioned it can be put in older models. Does this include the 701?
Based on our experiences flying with it since July we really have not seen any brightness and visibility issues. Mounting it landscape wouldn't be a problem though the software would need to be updated for that. We haven't looked into mounting it in a CH 701 (but don't foresee any real issues there).
Zenith Aircraft Company Thanks for the reply
Redundancy is key. Design that with two smaller horizontal panels and out a backup horizon on the firewall. This leaves you no options when things go bad.
This is genius.
Crackle black on the sheet metal behind the Pad and it would look a lot better. As-is it looks like someone stole your panel.
Cupholders would fit back there. Or a microwave.
plenty of space for a small fridge
Never fly without a mechanical artificial horizon, and for my money, a mechanical altimeter as well...
Mat Helm why?
Redundancy.... Give me the analog any day..
fuel gauge too....
I don't like it. If it goes out you are screwed
Or you can fly the airplane. This is set up as a day VFR airplane. (And easy to add back up instrumentation if needed)
@Will Sails This. Back in the day, many moons ago when even the scenery was in black and white, I was doing my initial training and had very few hours. We'd done a few touch n go's, we're downwind on another and he says "you look pretty comfortable". Twenty year old me smirks and says"yep", and he says "really?" Next thing he's tearing pages out of his pad (not the Apple kind...), scrunching up the paper and using it to block out the instruments. "Comfortable now?" I wasn't, but did fine. TBH I wasn't great at landing before that, but it really helped with that, and no problems since.