Why Did PSA Do This To Us?! Our Biggest Grading Fails
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- Grading is becoming more and more important in our modern day baseball card hobby. Because of this, a majority of us will grade our baseball cards and have positive AND negative experiences. In this video The Spitballin' team will share their best and worst grading experiences.
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Great stories. Didn't see the HGA story coming from Phil.
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People have given PSA too much power that's why. I will never grade with them again after they charged me for a card they refused to grade. I also take issue with the upcharging, inconsistent grading, and POP report manipulation. You can't complain about the blatant issues they have and at the same time keep using them. Label change to me means little when the bigger issue is they have zero to little ethics.
I agree that people should stop complaining and buying the product everyone supposedly hates spa so why are they grading more than a million cards every week people are inconsistent
@@mauriciobori Haven't graded anything since 2020. I wish more would follow suit
Chris here - one thing PSA has going for it that no other grading company will match is the guarantee. If PSA screws up and grades a fake card, they will buy it back from the collector. You can read about the Soto Bowman Chrome Super as an example. So I think saying they have “No ethics” is a stretch.
There are issues for sure, but there are issues with all the companies and the value of PSA slabs Kees then at the top.
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@@SpitballinCards They've graded fakes, altered cards and they continue to upcharge people just for getting a 10. I realize about the guarantee but how about a guarantee like graders notes and a guarantee that the card you sent it is the same exact card you get back ? I agree no company is perfect but they're the furthest from it.
@@chrisc4264 then upcharges don’t really bother me. PSA knows their opinion adds value to the cards and they deserve a piece of that. Now eat I’d like to know is how different the service is at higher service levels. More experienced graders? More time grading?
You’re right - more transparency can only be a good thing.
Great hearing that I am not the only collector getting suspect grades from PSA. I admit that I don't catch a lot of the flaws, but when I watch these reveals I notice that PSA grades certain sets or players tougher than others.
Chris here - absolutely. Topps Blacks are so tough to gem. BGS seems so generous on those dark paper edges/corners. There are a lot of 9.5’s on those 2018 Update black parallels that would be PSA 8’s.
Lately we’ve been getting one crazy low grade per sub. One was fully justified upon further review however!
Spitballin’ is rapidly becoming one of my favorite shows in the hobby
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Not to be a TAG fanboy, but I've watched videos of people cracking TAG slabs and resubmitting to them and TAG can tell it's a resubmit and will give it the exact same grade and serial number as before. I just think that's so much better than being allowed to resubmit a million times for the grade you want instead of the grade the card deserves.
That’s really interesting. I kind of love that TAG does that! Do they charge grading fees a second time?
Yeah this is a topic that often comes up. I don't think the other companies WANT to stop the resubmitting of the same cards as they just collect double/triple the money on a single card. I'd also be interested to know if TAG charges the subsequent submissions.
I can't help but think that either we all move to TAG over the next few years, and/or that PSA buys them out (what PSA does from there would be a great question). I've never graded with them, but I have researched this topic plenty and they clearly - repeat, clearly! - seem to be best graders at grading cards, which is, you know, the most important thing that we consider when we grade cards. Also, their slabs are awesome and seem to be the most difficult ones to counterfeit
Do you guys ever wonder. Since you mentioned the 30 seconds on hand, how much time do the label makers have. When a card looks perfect and it comes back a 6. Do you ever think they actually accidentally miss labeled it? Like all the min size required
This is an excellent question. I’d say that now, with the cards getting imaged on the psa site, the chance of mislabeling the grade number are slim. Too many checks there. But certainly not impossible!!!
2:40 very interesting and i question it psa is track serial numbers.
Chris here - I’ve seen no evidence of psa actually tracking serial numbers. I know it’s been discussed and rumored, but I don’t know anybody whose had a card get stopped and not graded because it’s a Regrade.
Why wouldn’t psa just take the fees twice??
I think we put far too much emphasis on grading. I intentionally buy 9s bc they are usually somewhere between 1/3 - 1/2 the price of a 10. I’d rather have two or three 9s than one 10.
Chris here - that’s a great strategy. I like it a lot. The difference between a 9 and a 10 is frequently invisible to the naked eye.
I just think my raw cards are a .mystery number and it doesnt bother me, why should owning a 9 or even a 7 or 8 bother me?
Hard to argue with this strategy!
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My buddy submitted a a big 2023 heritage red ink auto and it was sent back saying min size. It’s ridiculous. Brand new product right out of a pack and there saying it doesn’t meet size requirements smh.
Send it in again!
That's frustrating, but like Chris said, send it right back!
The fact that PSA pumps out so many graded cards in a month they cant be taking the proper amount of time to check all aspects of the card.
I'd be surprised if PSA monkeys have time to give each card more than a cursory glance. Unless they have manpower rivalling Microsoft's campus in Seattle.
If you think about it, the amount of money we are throwing at these grading companies is insane.
Chris here - very true. I remember being at shows in the early 90’s and there would be arguments about the condition of cards CONSTANTLY.
At least now we have a number on the slab so we all know what we’re getting.
Imagine shopping for cards on eBay if there was no grading?! Every card would be “mint.”
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@@SpitballinCards Yah, except the grades range from inconsistent to nonsense. And we still get arguments.
i am a huge fan of the 12 cards per page binders. i collect pete alonso and i get 12 paper stock with the flagship image and 12 chrome stock with the flagship image for each yeah of his career as they come out. its been a fun way to collect my favorite player
Chris here - I bet that binder is really fun to flip through. I go through my freeman binder at least once a week!
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@SpitballinCards it took me much too long to come around to the binders but better late than never. i definitely look at and enjoy my cards way more now.
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PSA 9s that’s are centered. All day everyday.
PSA 9’s are some
Of the best deals
In the hobby right now!
When I first came back in hobby at the level I'm at now, I hated the 20 different rookie cards and all the sets and high print runs. I still get that junk wax era feel with the 100 Parrells .
However the thing I noticed even more is the new chase in the hobby is chasing the PSA 10 or any graded 10.
That's what the hobby is now. It's Chasing The 10s. I should do a video on my experience , if I get better at videos, I will. Anyway thank you all!
I chase this type of content. 😂
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I’d love to see that video!
Chris here and the increase volume of rookie cards printed each year - parallels and autos - has been driving me back to the first bowman chrome autos even more.
Hey! Just subscribed to your channel, love the random pack opening idea! I'll enjoy watching those. Thanks for watching the channel!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Wow! Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support. It's nice to find good people. Another thing I noticed when I got back is all the bashing and politics in the hobby. I was ignorant to all of it.
It's good we have people call the bad seeds out. But attacking people personally just because of their opinion, content or what they rip is not my gig. Anyways sorry for the rant. I can babble about cards and sports all night especially with an adult beverage 😂 Thank you again. I love what all of you do on both channels. You guys are my people! 🤣
@@HaloHobbyCards Haha, we can definitely go on and on about the hobby! So much negativity around, we try to focus on the fun (and ridiculousness!) of collecting cardboard. Thanks for watching -- Grab that adult beverage and join our Thursday LIVES!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin I'll try to make it next one for sure. And yes the ridiculous , if I'm not laughing I'm not having fun. I'm the most dorky guy I laugh at my self and should charge people for all my courtesy laughs I give them🤣. See ya Thursday, you guys all keep it up. it's really fun watching.
Here’s one. I sent 2 cards to psa that I wanted to get authenticated for the autograph. They both came back unable to authenticate. The catch is, I got those cards signed in person. So now what do I do?
Chris here - I have no idea what to tell you. That’s extremely frustrating. Sorry to hear it happened. Maybe try it again? (Obviously I have a problem with that haha)
My very first order to PSA was one card that I sent in right before the pandemic boom and it came back as trimmed. I pack pulled the card myself so it felt really bad that they got it wrong and they took my money. Just have to realize at the end of they day we are all paying for an opinion.
What was it? thats so wild
That's infuriating! Did you try resending to PSA? Or another company?
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin I was too upset to give PSA another chance at the time so I sent it to CSG where it got a 10.
Those new Fanatics Jerseys (patches) are gonna look AWFUL in trading cards.
Chris here - OMG what happened?!?! Why is everything smaller and crappier?!?!
I've always felt that 10s are for investors and 9s are for collectors. i have very few 10s in my collection. i assume that all my 9s are just a regrade away from being 10s any ways, lol
I agree. I RARELY buy a 10 unless I think it is something that is undervalued drastically
Hard to argue with that strategy!
Love the show! I got a purple transcendent auto of Alex Rodriguez from Topps directly, and sent it in to PSA. They refused to grade it because "it wasn't part of the checklist". Still don't understand that one LOL, at least SGC was willing to grade it afterwards.
That’s really interesting. How’d you get it from topps? Their website?
That's crazy -- was it a redemption? Or a replacement for something else? Thanks for watching!
@@SpitballinCards I bought one spot in a transcendent break in 2019 and won a ticket to go to the transcendent event, definitely a once in a lifetime experience! Topps gave me a duffel bag full of goodies at the event, and that was one of the cards in the bag. Funny part is PSA graded the card I got autographed in person from Ken Griffey Jr., and that definitely wasn't on any checklist lol.
@@SliceOfPiazza Wow - what a win! How was the party?? Seems like it would be so cool.
Jeff also had a spot in a transcendent break and he got a Lindsay Vonn auto.
I’ve been trying to get it from him ever since!!
Is this where Phil talks about his HGA submissions? I’ll watch…
There may or may not be a few Philmington HGA references in this video🤫
Well done men ! 🍻 This just may be my favorite episode ever.... maybe that's because I've shared some similar fates in my journey 😂.
Thanks for watching!! I think all of us collectors have gone through at least a couple grading “issues” hahaha!
Haha! Yeah, anyone that's been around for awhile can probably relate -- thanks for watching!
Bro I just graded the shohai rookie from update chrome…. Card looks PERFECT… it’s a PSA 5… I had 13 10s 4 9s 2 8s n one 5…… what’s crazy is, I knew the 8s were prolly gonna happen. because they were blue black golds, like I knew I was gonna have those two 8s. Everything else was 9/10 n I got that one 5…broke my heart…
Chris here - We seem to get one crazy low grade in each sub we’ve sent in lately. Not sure what the deal is. Sorry about your Shohei. You considering a crack out?
@@SpitballinCards I’ve thought bout it, problem
Is I’m a ripper. I know bad idea. But I’ve got so many things I want to grade. N as you know. Each shipment I’m gonna send in is gonna be 400$ or so with shipping. Maybe one day for now I’m gonna get a PSA case protector for it lol 😂 but that’s wild I did not know that fact. One low grade per order! Thanks for that I’m gonna have to ask around n see if my card buddies have seen the same. Maybe that’s a good video idea ask the guys how often that happens. I doubt they send in bulk though, you guys remind me there’s levels to collecting n I’m not quite on your guys levels haha
I have had huge success cracking BGS slabs and sending them to PSA or SGC when the low grade was on surface. Lots of 1st bowman surface just needs a good cleaning. I have yet to have one come back lower or the same grade. BGS was super tough on surface 2016-2020 range
You’re right - Phil was saying the same thing. Glad to hear it’s working for you.
Knowing things like SGC is generous on surface can really be used to our advantages.
@@SpitballinCards SGC is definitely generous on surface but super tough on centering. I think they are fair on corners, not overly tough, but not generous. I think BGS is too tough on surface IMO
Yeah we just cracked a BGS that had a fingerprint on it! 🤦♂
As I work for a company that values quality first, well safety first and then quality. We need to hold the companies accountable when a perfect card is not a 10. we have all the tools to know when the cards are in mint conditions. Like everything in life, we are our hardest critics. So, if we scan our card and it's not a 10, we know it. We hope for a 10, but we are also not expecting an 6. If a card is a 9, and could be a 10, the grader should have to graders notes and free of charge. the fact that some companies charge for graders notes is the same as if I only cared about quality in my job, only if the customer pays a little extra for my product. What kind of tradeoff is that????
It’s always hard to be totally subjective about your own cards. Especially if you LOVE the card!
But we could always use more transparency from the grading companies.
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The first story is exactly why grading is such a scam
Or why I’m an idiot! Or maybe a bit of both.
Always fun to hear some amazing horror stories!
More fun to hear than experience!! Hahaha
Haha!
I only do binders. I also have binder pages with PSA and SGC that hold 4 slabs.
White box cards are not enjoyable for me. But collect how you like and all of this is enjoyable.
I think a lot of us have a return where we are like, no way that's too nice for a 6 and we all have some where we get a 10 and say, wow. Just not enough content on the "good" it's mostly people complaining. PSA is flying with modern, however I notice when you have multiple in que, they do sit longer and grab orders at random rather when they arrive. Once they fix that part, I feel that will improve the overall process. Lastly, great comments on ALL grading companies that experience similar issues. Good stuff fellas, like this line up.
Chris here - absolutely, PSA needs to make some adjustments, and hopefully they will!
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Appreciate the support and the feedback. You're right, there is always a lot of complaining about grading -- but overall, these companies do a great job. Love the fact that you do binders! I have heard about those slab binders, I may have to check those out.
So far so good no horror stories and hearing all of yours made me cringe with a sympathetic feeling to follow matter of fact I spoke to Chris about a recent purchase cracking it came up but I decided to leave well enough alone
Probably a smart choice, Alan!
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2 questions: what is Mark from Mark's cards up to today? Second, did u guys get your cards back??
Thanks for asking. His last name was Marx and I’m not sure of his first name. He was definitely facing jail time for fraud but I stopped paying attention once we got our cards back. The stress was unreal.
I thank psa for grading the cards and not getting paid.
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Great video! I once bought a blue ice color match Jonathan Taylor RC/99 in PSA 10 that I was looking for a long time and it came with a cracked PSA case (card is fine). It bothers me every time I look at it 😭. Can you reslab without changing the grade?????
Yes. You can reholder a card for $25 and keep the grade
@@moregunzthanroses281hey thx! I’m going to look into that! I was worried they might re-evaluate it and I certainly want to keep the 10!
Yes, you can definitely reholder! They will keep the grade -- with the caveat that if they notice something drastic, they reserve the right to change the grade, but that seem to rarely happen.
I would contribute to the crack and resubmit experiment club.
Chris here - have you tried to crack the new PSA slabs?? It’s nearly impossible.
I have about 20 on my desk, mostly vintage, that I disagree with the grades on. I have never cracked one myself. I have seen videos and it does not look too difficult but deciding which one to do it to first is a little worrisome. One of the you tube commenters said to freeze them before you try to crack them but not sure how accurate that info is
@@Goobastank we tried that with the new slabs and I don’t think it helped much. Just made us worry about the cards more.
How recently were your cards slabbed?
In the last three months
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Scott. Do you still have your store? Haven’t heard you talk about it at all in general
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Can someone explain to me how running up POP counts is good for the hobby?
Yeah, do u guys report the old labels for removal?
It makes it more liquid???
Meaning once graded (9,10) it can be more quickly and easily transacted at close to market value
Yes, much easier to buy a card from across the country if it's in a slab vs. being raw and not getting to hold it in hand.
Yep, what they said. Sales prices for slabbed cards are easier to track than raw cards with varying conditions.
😂 these muppets sitting around with fake stories in front of post modern cards 😂 Hahahaha
Chris here - I wish my story was fake.