That's a very good point. Whites have benefitted from affirmative action for a very long time (e.g. FHA, GI Bill, etc.) yet nobody ever complains about that.
They’re scared to hear any more of the truth;they might be called to face corrective action or admit their responsibility or will be unable to continue furthering the lie that says affirmative action isunfair to their less😊 than mediocre offspring.
I was raised in a black working class family with a single mother. But just looking back at the generations before us, by law, your family would have been given access to a "headstart" at the american dream. This is a 200 year headstart that yes applies to virtually ALL whites who lived in America during that time span and that their children and grandchildren would naturally reap SOME benefit of this headstart is not all that hard to understand. Denial is dangerous.
"It is whites and only whites I would suggest who could C's all the way through school brag about their mediocrity publicly, mangle the English language, and go on to become the President of the Untied States" *Crowd applauds* the story of GB'S life.
It is definitely time to end anti-white discrimination. Whites should allowed to openly discuss white genocide in the public discourse free of demonization and reprisals.
I am American, and I am Black. I do agree with the last part of your passage, and that's all I agree with. What makes you better then me? what makes me better then you? where we live? how we speak? who happens to be in charge? Nothing does, only personal moral character, and personal advanced thought. If most Americans could we would cease all war, but that's not the case. The Americans who don't troll the internet, and comment nonsense, are mostly the ones who try to make a diff in the world.
But those things from the 1930's to the 1960's could have been overcome by now. The 30's are 80 years ago and and the 60's are 50 years ago. There's been plenty of affirmative action for blacks since the 1960's.
Read "Asian American Voices for Affirmative Action". Affirmative Action helps Asian-Americans more than most of them realize and eradicating it would hurt Asian-Americans.
Im black. At first I did not like the idea of affirmative action, because i thought it was unfair, and made us looks bad, but hey this guy has the facts.
your reply is clearly what you would call irrational (and clearly based on emotions and not logic)... your first post contains no arguments and does not address any of the points I raised, and is just an ad hominem abusive laced rant. How's that for starters?
@coolbreezed how on earth has institutional racism in the US been eliminated ? Seriously.. can you give a single example of a place it had previously existed, but has now been "eliminated"? Im really looking forward to your reply to this comment.
Read my other post. It isn't fraudulent. ANd I wasn't talking about their book. It is an article they wrote. I think its called "Residential Segregation in the Post Civil Rights Era" but they have written alot on the topic, so I can't remember. And you totally lost me with whatever else you were saying. Where am I implying the Census is biased? It isn't (if done properly), and that's why OBrian used it.
"this nation cannot survive with secondclass citizen appointment" I agree, but I don't see how Affirmative Action can reduce poverty and social exclusion. There are more poor whites and a few less poor blacks and there is more resentment and hate between races than ever before. That's all we got out of it.
On the inheritance issue, I think that only applies to very wealthy whites and it doesn't explain why Asians that have come over recently with no money have surpassed whites overall. And not following affirmative action rules is not "discrimination". It's just failing to discriminate with affirmative action. With inheritance, the only way to know is too look at numbers and see. It's not something anyone could argue without a ton of information.
damn! He completely changed my mind on the issue. but if we confine this argument to just the issue of higher-education, why not just have applications numbered (eliminating preference for white-sounding names) and then apply 'affirmative action' to those from low income areas instead of based on race. my reasoning being that surely there are at least a few disadvantaged whites not benefiting from these programs and a few minorities with an unfair advantage. those numbers might not be significant now but they will be once inherent racial disadvantages are eliminated.
"Liberals applaud affirmative action programs that deny white students and white federal workers admissions and promotions they have earned by their labors. But when, ever, has one of these liberals voluntarily made the sacrifice that he demands be imposed upon others?" --Pay Buchanan
...and that's where you are wrong Bob Johnson. Most black people do not see "you" as an enemy. Don't take stuff personal. No one blames "you" for slavery, inequality or anything else. It's not about you as an individual...it's about a system that, even though strides have been made...is still not totally equal...especially when it comes to the justice system...And many black people, including myself, know that we are not doing everything that WE can as a whole to better our situation.
I was always told that affirmitve action was to give women opportunities in the work place. I was also told that during the 1st-2nd world wars jobs in black communitites were plentyful. When the war was over oppression started all over again. There were no black panthers or Klan rallys only Americans and unity. When the millions of whites who served came back all hell broke loose and congress, state officials no one came to our aid. We are still asking for help not hand outs.
As for me, personally, I've helped several black people. I used to give one guy a ride to work. I've given money to them on the streets, etc. But I've also had thousands of dollars taken out of my taxes and put toward programs designed to benefit blacks. But think of all the white teachers, social workers, actors and academics, as well as white politicians who have made it their mission to help black folks. Then there are all the predominantly white churches who try to help the urban poor.
The success of Asian Americans kind of just ruins this guy's argument... They were treated harshly in the late 19th and early 20th century (not as bad as blacks but worse than Hispanics). Yet, Asian Americans, who usually come from another country having nothing to their name are the highest earning race in the US. It's all about hard work.
Ms Anacapri While we are on the subject of current Events id love to read your thoughts on this video? There are oppositions to the comments made by this brother Tim wise. He also has other videos where he talks about the truth and why the black community is the way it is today! Hit me up when you can shorty!
Alot of cultures came up with the concept of human rights. It did not begin and end with one culture. Who freed the slaves? You mean the same people who established slavery and their descendants who benefitted from the wealth they gained from slavery? I guess they should be the ones to end slavery. Bravo!
You must be a child or really young. For that, I will be gentle for now. I want you to know your comment is ignorant. PLEASE elaborate which Countries are the "White Countries". Do you know that some of your "white Countries" were actually populated with people of color, not necessarily black, before white people populated it? So, that would make white people the integrators, am I correct? Your assessment is VERY MUCH incorrect and I encourage you to read more and learn real history. :)
maybe white skin didn't guarantee that you get AHEAD...but black skin virtually guaranteed that you COULDN'T get ahead. It means that if a white person worked hard...they could see the benefits of their labor...while a hard working black person was just...a poor, hard working black person. It's not about what comforts me...it's about how this country operated.
The more we listen to people of color, the better we can learn what they must know to survive: that there is injustice and that we can do things about it. Good luck and best regards.
Kim Crenshaw was also on the side on Tim Wise, and isn't she also in the position of understanding the black experience in America? The majority of African Americans actually disagree with McWhorter position on A.A. and want to keep it as a policy. Also, Tim Wise never claims to speak for others, most of his work is actually on White privilege, something that is his own personal experience. Tim is rational, thoughtful and self reflective just as John is, and seeks to justice like him as well.
So, are you suggesting that we should do nothing to address past and present white privilege? Are you suggesting that there should be no counterweight to the weight of white privilege that Tim Wise points out using factual evidence? I can understand you arguing against affirmative action if you present an alternative way to address white privilege and the disadvantages it presents for minorities. However, if you have no better alternative, how can I respect your argument?
But the most decorated aerial unit in WW2 was all black (Tuskegee Airmen), and the most decorated land forces unit in our entire military was all Japanese (442nd). Yet they got nothing for their service. No one group has shouldered the burden of the rest, yet recompense is not uniform.
Yeah those were the days, mabye there could be others like Tim who still exist to this day. I wonder where they are and why I only heard of Tim Wise here on UA-cam?
According to Wise, seemingly ALL white people are privileged. Seemingly ALL black people are disabled. How is this not racist? I was raised in a white working class family with a single mother -- but I'm somehow the oppressor automatically because of my race. Please, Tim Wise, tell me where I can sign up for my "white guy" benefits. I could really use that elusive privilege you keep mentioning. Let me know, okay? The point is poor is poor, regardless of race. POVERTY holds people back.
Affirmative Action is an insult to me. In my opinion, this is some of the most racist rhetoric you can find in Academia, (aside from advocating the Bell Curve) because basically what he is saying is that Black people aren't smart enough to do without racial preferences, that without AA we would somehow be reverted back to 1965 in terms of economic and educational success. And what disturbs me even more is that Black folks actually agree with him! Do you really think our success is riding on AA?
Personally, I love Tim Wise. He speak a lot of truth that have known my entire life. I don't understand where the debate for all of this is coming from. First of all this is an opening address. A point at which people state their claim and are given leave to defend it later. And secondly, did he really say anything any of you didn't already know to be true? He is merely showing you a mirror so that you can learn what the ugly truth looks like. His overall message is for people to come together.
Though 10 % of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 % of U.S. government workers. They are 25 % of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 % of the State Department, 37 % of Department of Education employees and 38 % of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 % of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 % of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 % at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.
there are plenty of scholarships available for polish-american, german-american, italian-american, irish-american students, etc. not to mention the hundreds of other merit-based and other scholarships available.
Here's an idea for affirmative action... allow people to control the communitites they live in and to have a say in their own workplaces. Provide the same educational opportunities for everyone at the get go regardless of race or economic status. That will help to level the playing field.
I'm currently experiencing racial bias, at my place of employment, where the company goes through great extents to deny African Americans upwardly promotions, by hiring and promoting less qualified white males, despite their lack of experience and skill sets, based on the job description requirements. They practice this through white networking, which is a deliberate attempt to exclude African Americans from the hiring process, exactly in the way Tim Wise described it.
@Bianca12952 -- I am sorry, but your comments are confusing...There are certainly all manner of programs which exist and are targeted specifically towards women -- these include all types of affirmative action programs as well (do a Google search)..I do not mean to sound at all unsympathetic to your circumstance, but please do try to posit a misleading and irrelevant contrast with the mass, historical oppression and exclusion of blacks and some other oppressed groups in our nation. thanks
I agree. Wise is brilliant! The concept of "race" used to assert power came out of American settlement. After that, race became a social construct that others modeled, even in the black community (light v. dark). The false importance of "whiteness" or "race" is what we still struggle against, but the dogmas also thrived because of imperialism and modern racist practices that stripped so many people of culture and pride. That is not a guilt trip, that is the truth, so deal with it. We do.
So you want to discuss why anti-whites are determined to suppress the issue of White genocide? Discussion of solutions to reverse the severe decline of the white race and what solutions you will allow us whites to use in the attempts to save the White race? Discussion of govt/media promotion of assimilation and race mixing? You want to discuss these issues in a forum? Your opposition to the investigation of White genocide and the spreading of this message is overt. Using "facts"to mislead public
Um, I am not sure what your point is. The U.S. as a whole has moved far away from agriculture, and the U.S. economy is dependant, like Canada's, on the service industry as the primary labor market. After Industrialization, most lower-middle income people began to fill the new labor market, which was service jobs. Also, most black people didn't own property, the legacy of the share crop system from slavery actually meant most black people were in debt or mortgaging property.
@yeehaw1451 so if anti-racist = anti-white, then pro-white = pro-racism? Don't quote me on this since I am not Tim Wise but from my knowledge Tim Wise has never said "ALL white people are racist."
Right, I agree, and I believe that in some areas AA should still be in effect, but ONLY for the workplace. If we're talking about AA for education it should be out the window completely. It had a purpose when it was established, and now it's obsolete. The majority of Universities WANT more minority students on their campuses, now we could argue on the reason as to why they want us, but their certainly not trying to keep us out. AA in schools should be over for everyone regardless of your creed.
(continued): i.e., a racially homogeneous people. The colonies had been peopled by Englishmen, Scots (including some from Ireland), Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, and Frenchmen. They were all "White" and most of them were Nordic Indo-European. Despite the number of Congoids, Jefferson was adamant that they should be free. "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free; and that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government."
@Joeybsmooth If read the comments you'll see that he evaded my question. I'm not interested in a back and forth with someone who refuses to read and address my comments -- that's not a conversation. Thanks to you, also, for adding nothing to the conversation except "LOL."
@coolbreezed i ask you coobreezed, what do you say about the fact that a person who is black male that has the same credit, no record, is presentable, articulate, and well mannered has less chances of renting an apartment compared to a white male with the same qualities? i've seen this many times before and i see the discrimination that people of color go through. would you deny this is true? you already answered that question.
@coolbreezed I've made no sweeping allegations in anyway. If you cant understand the the facts on pay difference by ethnicity, crime stats vs prison stats, or the motivation to keep looking to the poor areas for the people to generate income by serving time, I dont know what else to say. If its any consolation, I never used any of Wise's points to bolster a hatred of whites. Individuals can be a letdown, but should not be used to judge a people as a whole.
If you listen closely to what this man is saying - he is declaring himself a racist. Beside the fact that his statistics are off, he agree with judging people by the color of their skin. If you want to say we still need affirmative action after Obama has become president, you're saying that we should still give 'blacks' an equal opportunity in the country because there are still things a 'black'-man cannot achieve because hes's 'Black'... (like become president?).
@GoldenHawk400. nothing you've written actually addresses anything Tim Wise said, nor have you presented any evidence to the contrary of his position. I'm going to have to assume that you're simply presenting an opinion, having completely bypassed the discomfort of thought. So I'll thank you for your opinion and dismiss it for its irrelevance, lack of poignancy and your clear disdain for facts.
They weren't black? Please explain to me how two completely different races can evolve naturally on the same continent. And if they weren't black, what was their race? I'm waiting....
TIM WISE KILLED IT!!!! FACTS
That's a very good point. Whites have benefitted from affirmative action for a very long time (e.g. FHA, GI Bill, etc.) yet nobody ever complains about that.
They not trying to hear this! Truth!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
They’re scared to hear any more of the truth;they might be called to face corrective action or admit their responsibility or will be unable to continue furthering the lie that says affirmative action isunfair
to their less😊 than mediocre offspring.
All I see is white denial in the comments, smh.
All I see is butthurt blacks in real life.
You see what you choose to see
I was raised in a black working class family with a single mother. But just looking back at the generations before us, by law, your family would have been given access to a "headstart" at the american dream. This is a 200 year headstart that yes applies to virtually ALL whites who lived in America during that time span and that their children and grandchildren would naturally reap SOME benefit of this headstart is not all that hard to understand. Denial is dangerous.
"It is whites and only whites I would suggest who could C's all the way through school brag about their mediocrity publicly, mangle the English language, and go on to become the President of the Untied States"
*Crowd applauds* the story of GB'S life.
Haha, I love this guy! Tim Wise is a beast. He was on such a roll that he didn't even hear the one minute warning.
Tim WIse made the whole case right there Mic drop on em
wtf? just let him finish the damn quote!? god I hate NPR.
It is definitely time to end anti-white discrimination.
Whites should allowed to openly discuss white genocide in the public discourse free of demonization and reprisals.
Well said using the facts!!! Thanks!!!
What was the quote at the end?
Actually this Tim is just...Brilliant!!!!!I didn't know him...
Tim Wise is my hero. Growing up in Oklahoma as a young white man has shown me the greater extents of white privilege in this country.
if ur paying attention 2 his speech then u understand it is still not in the past it is still unfair 2day
Preach, Sir!
@eyelikepie1 , what magical "gov website" did you find these numbers?
I am American, and I am Black. I do agree with the last part of your passage, and that's all I agree with. What makes you better then me? what makes me better then you? where we live? how we speak? who happens to be in charge? Nothing does, only personal moral character, and personal advanced thought. If most Americans could we would cease all war, but that's not the case. The Americans who don't troll the internet, and comment nonsense, are mostly the ones who try to make a diff in the world.
Tim Wise is an American Patriot.
I Freaking love TIm Wise....... He killed it can they even speak after him I cant imagine what they could say???????
If he, Tim Wise, said racism was dying, he wouldn't have a job.
But those things from the 1930's to the 1960's could have been overcome by now. The 30's are 80 years ago and and the 60's are 50 years ago. There's been plenty of affirmative action for blacks since the 1960's.
@Ester Samuels -
ua-cam.com/video/2roWLzrqOjQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/gLdjVOswjRQ/v-deo.html
www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/history/how-the-new-deal-left-out-african-americans/
Read "Asian American Voices for Affirmative Action". Affirmative Action helps Asian-Americans more than most of them realize and eradicating it would hurt Asian-Americans.
@JayJ004 WOW. Ugh...that came out of left field. I'm not really sure what that has to do with my statement. Could you connect that for me?
wow... finally a white guy that understands & isn't hiding the truth, but speaks out against these truths
Im black. At first I did not like the idea of affirmative action, because i thought it was unfair, and made us looks bad, but hey this guy has the facts.
There is nothing unfair about AA.
We all share an entire global history of colonialism and white supremacy as the unspoken policy.
can someone tell him to stop talking like that.....please?
like what?
Like an evangelical preacher. Check out this short video concerning anti racism as a religion. ua-cam.com/video/hGJbrLs_8_0/v-deo.html
Very Rare in america a white man telling the Truth refreshing!
your reply is clearly what you would call irrational (and clearly based on emotions and not logic)... your first post contains no arguments and does not address any of the points I raised, and is just an ad hominem abusive laced rant. How's that for starters?
peace brother u got knowledge u speak the truth!
Preach, Tim!
People who read from a script in a debate ALWAYS lose.
Tim Wise is a really honest and engaging intellectual.
someone, please explain to me how anyone is still benefiting from the homestead act ? thats quite a claim and seems immeasurable
i googled information on the homestead act (1862) and the fha loan (1930s) am i missing something?
@coolbreezed how on earth has institutional racism in the US been eliminated ?
Seriously.. can you give a single example of a place it had previously existed, but has now been "eliminated"?
Im really looking forward to your reply to this comment.
I can tell you really adore us black folks.
That is not an acceptance.
Do you agree to do a live debate Yes/No?
How am I suppressing discussion by ENCOURAGING you to discuss said issue...
This guy needs to run for public office.
Read my other post. It isn't fraudulent. ANd I wasn't talking about their book. It is an article they wrote. I think its called "Residential Segregation in the Post Civil Rights Era" but they have written alot on the topic, so I can't remember. And you totally lost me with whatever else you were saying. Where am I implying the Census is biased? It isn't (if done properly), and that's why OBrian used it.
"this nation cannot survive with secondclass citizen appointment"
I agree, but I don't see how Affirmative Action can reduce poverty and social exclusion. There are more poor whites and a few less poor blacks and there is more resentment and hate between races than ever before. That's all we got out of it.
Truth hurts I see...I think Tim is one of the rare ones that actually sheds light on how systemic white supremacy works
On the inheritance issue, I think that only applies to very wealthy whites and it doesn't explain why Asians that have come over recently with no money have surpassed whites overall. And not following affirmative action rules is not "discrimination". It's just failing to discriminate with affirmative action. With inheritance, the only way to know is too look at numbers and see. It's not something anyone could argue without a ton of information.
@@jermainewoods7397 That didn't really address this post.
damn! He completely changed my mind on the issue. but if we confine this argument to just the issue of higher-education, why not just have applications numbered (eliminating preference for white-sounding names) and then apply 'affirmative action' to those from low income areas instead of based on race. my reasoning being that surely there are at least a few disadvantaged whites not benefiting from these programs and a few minorities with an unfair advantage. those numbers might not be significant now but they will be once inherent racial disadvantages are eliminated.
that might be the best idea I have ever read
"Liberals applaud affirmative action programs that deny white students and white federal workers admissions and promotions they have earned by their labors. But when, ever, has one of these liberals voluntarily made the sacrifice that he demands be imposed upon others?" --Pay Buchanan
...and that's where you are wrong Bob Johnson. Most black people do not see "you" as an enemy. Don't take stuff personal. No one blames "you" for slavery, inequality or anything else. It's not about you as an individual...it's about a system that, even though strides have been made...is still not totally equal...especially when it comes to the justice system...And many black people, including myself, know that we are not doing everything that WE can as a whole to better our situation.
I was always told that affirmitve action was to give women opportunities in the work place. I was also told that during the 1st-2nd world wars jobs in black communitites were plentyful. When the war was over oppression started all over again. There were no black panthers or Klan rallys only Americans and unity.
When the millions of whites who served came back all hell broke loose and congress, state officials no one came to our aid. We are still asking for help not hand outs.
As for me, personally, I've helped several black people. I used to give one guy a ride to work. I've given money to them on the streets, etc. But I've also had thousands of dollars taken out of my taxes and put toward programs designed to benefit blacks. But think of all the white teachers, social workers, actors and academics, as well as white politicians who have made it their mission to help black folks. Then there are all the predominantly white churches who try to help the urban poor.
The success of Asian Americans kind of just ruins this guy's argument... They were treated harshly in the late 19th and early 20th century (not as bad as blacks but worse than Hispanics). Yet, Asian Americans, who usually come from another country having nothing to their name are the highest earning race in the US. It's all about hard work.
Ms Anacapri
While we are on the subject of current Events id love to read your thoughts on this video?
There are oppositions to the comments made by this brother Tim wise. He also has other videos where he talks about the truth and why the black community is the way it is today!
Hit me up when you can shorty!
Can you debunk any of his data?
Most of his correlations lack causation for one.
Alot of cultures came up with the concept of human rights. It did not begin and end with one culture. Who freed the slaves? You mean the same people who established slavery and their descendants who benefitted from the wealth they gained from slavery? I guess they should be the ones to end slavery. Bravo!
You must be a child or really young. For that, I will be gentle for now. I want you to know your comment is ignorant. PLEASE elaborate which Countries are the "White Countries". Do you know that some of your "white Countries" were actually populated with people of color, not necessarily black, before white people populated it? So, that would make white people the integrators, am I correct? Your assessment is VERY MUCH incorrect and I encourage you to read more and learn real history. :)
I've taught critical thinking at a University. If you are in college you sound like a freshman.
You like apples? How like those apples?!
Matt Damon
Tim Wise is the most accurately self-descriptive name since Chris Bores!
maybe white skin didn't guarantee that you get AHEAD...but black skin virtually guaranteed that you COULDN'T get ahead. It means that if a white person worked hard...they could see the benefits of their labor...while a hard working black person was just...a poor, hard working black person. It's not about what comforts me...it's about how this country operated.
The more we listen to people of color, the better we can learn what they must know to survive: that there is injustice and that we can do things about it.
Good luck and best regards.
I just had to lol at the reference to Bush!! I love this guy! "mangling the English language"
Genious4real, I agree with much of what you say, but what do you mean by "free lunch"?
tell it tim!! you are brillant!!!
Kim Crenshaw was also on the side on Tim Wise, and isn't she also in the position of understanding the black experience in America? The majority of African Americans actually disagree with McWhorter position on A.A. and want to keep it as a policy. Also, Tim Wise never claims to speak for others, most of his work is actually on White privilege, something that is his own personal experience. Tim is rational, thoughtful and self reflective just as John is, and seeks to justice like him as well.
So, are you suggesting that we should do nothing to address past and present white privilege? Are you suggesting that there should be no counterweight to the weight of white privilege that Tim Wise points out using factual evidence?
I can understand you arguing against affirmative action if you present an alternative way to address white privilege and the disadvantages it presents for minorities. However, if you have no better alternative, how can I respect your argument?
If that idea comforts you, feel free to cling to it.
all of you can't argue, tim wise brought quotable facts!
But the most decorated aerial unit in WW2 was all black (Tuskegee Airmen), and the most decorated land forces unit in our entire military was all Japanese (442nd). Yet they got nothing for their service. No one group has shouldered the burden of the rest, yet recompense is not uniform.
So, in other words, you're not offering any alternatives to address white privilege and non-white disadvantage?
Yeah those were the days, mabye there could be others like Tim who still exist to this day.
I wonder where they are and why I only heard of Tim Wise here on UA-cam?
To hell with this man if he believes I should pay for something I wasn't even around to participate in.
According to Wise, seemingly ALL white people are privileged. Seemingly ALL black people are disabled. How is this not racist? I was raised in a white working class family with a single mother -- but I'm somehow the oppressor automatically because of my race. Please, Tim Wise, tell me where I can sign up for my "white guy" benefits. I could really use that elusive privilege you keep mentioning. Let me know, okay? The point is poor is poor, regardless of race. POVERTY holds people back.
So you claim the UN is incorrect on What basis exactly?
TIM WISE=The Truth, Pro-Black Hero, Etc...
Affirmative Action is an insult to me. In my opinion, this is some of the most racist rhetoric you can find in Academia, (aside from advocating the Bell Curve) because basically what he is saying is that Black people aren't smart enough to do without racial preferences, that without AA we would somehow be reverted back to 1965 in terms of economic and educational success. And what disturbs me even more is that Black folks actually agree with him! Do you really think our success is riding on AA?
Tim wise is the truth, he could possiably be a saint sent to help black people. I only wish he had more covrage and press.
cool what planet do u live on?
I agree with you
Personally, I love Tim Wise. He speak a lot of truth that have known my entire life. I don't understand where the debate for all of this is coming from. First of all this is an opening address. A point at which people state their claim and are given leave to defend it later. And secondly, did he really say anything any of you didn't already know to be true? He is merely showing you a mirror so that you can learn what the ugly truth looks like. His overall message is for people to come together.
Maybe you should take the earplugs out so you can hear what's being said.
Though 10 % of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 % of U.S. government workers. They are 25 % of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 % of the State Department, 37 % of Department of Education employees and 38 % of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 % of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 % of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 % at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.
there are plenty of scholarships available for polish-american, german-american, italian-american, irish-american students, etc. not to mention the hundreds of other merit-based and other scholarships available.
Here's an idea for affirmative action... allow people to control the communitites they live in and to have a say in their own workplaces. Provide the same educational opportunities for everyone at the get go regardless of race or economic status. That will help to level the playing field.
I'm currently experiencing racial bias, at my place of employment, where the company goes through great extents to deny African Americans upwardly promotions, by hiring and promoting less qualified white males, despite their lack of experience and skill sets, based on the job description requirements. They practice this through white networking, which is a deliberate attempt to exclude African Americans from the hiring process, exactly in the way Tim Wise described it.
Is this an ad for Red Bull?
"Study from six weeks ago" It likely hasn't been peer reviewed yet. :/
@Bianca12952 -- I am sorry, but your comments are confusing...There are certainly all manner of programs which exist and are targeted specifically towards women -- these include all types of affirmative action programs as well (do a Google search)..I do not mean to sound at all unsympathetic to your circumstance, but please do try to posit a misleading and irrelevant contrast with the mass, historical oppression and exclusion of blacks and some other oppressed groups in our nation.
thanks
I agree. Wise is brilliant! The concept of "race" used to assert power came out of American settlement. After that, race became a social construct that others modeled, even in the black community (light v. dark). The false importance of "whiteness" or "race" is what we still struggle against, but the dogmas also thrived because of imperialism and modern racist practices that stripped so many people of culture and pride. That is not a guilt trip, that is the truth, so deal with it. We do.
So you want to discuss why anti-whites are determined to suppress the issue of White genocide?
Discussion of solutions to reverse the severe decline of the white race and what solutions you will allow us whites to use in the attempts to save the White race?
Discussion of govt/media promotion of assimilation and race mixing?
You want to discuss these issues in a forum?
Your opposition to the investigation of White genocide and the spreading of this message is overt.
Using "facts"to mislead public
Just one question: Wouldn't the solution be to remove this allegedly white favoritism, rather than simply switching it over to blacks?
Um, I am not sure what your point is. The U.S. as a whole has moved far away from agriculture, and the U.S. economy is dependant, like Canada's, on the service industry as the primary labor market. After Industrialization, most lower-middle income people began to fill the new labor market, which was service jobs. Also, most black people didn't own property, the legacy of the share crop system from slavery actually meant most black people were in debt or mortgaging property.
@yeehaw1451 so if anti-racist = anti-white, then pro-white = pro-racism? Don't quote me on this since I am not Tim Wise but from my knowledge Tim Wise has never said "ALL white people are racist."
Right, I agree, and I believe that in some areas AA should still be in effect, but ONLY for the workplace. If we're talking about AA for education it should be out the window completely. It had a purpose when it was established, and now it's obsolete. The majority of Universities WANT more minority students on their campuses, now we could argue on the reason as to why they want us, but their certainly not trying to keep us out. AA in schools should be over for everyone regardless of your creed.
(continued): i.e., a racially homogeneous people. The colonies had been peopled by Englishmen, Scots (including some from Ireland), Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, and Frenchmen. They were all "White" and most of them were Nordic Indo-European.
Despite the number of Congoids, Jefferson was adamant that they should be free. "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free; and that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government."
@Joeybsmooth If read the comments you'll see that he evaded my question. I'm not interested in a back and forth with someone who refuses to read and address my comments -- that's not a conversation. Thanks to you, also, for adding nothing to the conversation except "LOL."
@coolbreezed
i ask you coobreezed, what do you say about the fact that a person who is black male that has the same credit, no record, is presentable, articulate, and well mannered has less chances of renting an apartment compared to a white male with the same qualities?
i've seen this many times before and i see the discrimination that people of color go through.
would you deny this is true?
you already answered that question.
@coolbreezed I've made no sweeping allegations in anyway. If you cant understand the the facts on pay difference by ethnicity, crime stats vs prison stats, or the motivation to keep looking to the poor areas for
the people to generate income by serving time, I dont know what else to say. If its any consolation, I never used any of Wise's points to bolster a hatred of whites. Individuals can be a letdown, but should not be used to judge a people as a whole.
If you listen closely to what this man is saying - he is declaring himself a racist. Beside the fact that his statistics are off, he agree with judging people by the color of their skin. If you want to say we still need affirmative action after Obama has become president, you're saying that we should still give 'blacks' an equal opportunity in the country because there are still things a 'black'-man cannot achieve because hes's 'Black'... (like become president?).
How can Africa be the sight of the first man but not have the first civilization?
I'm intrigued to hear your answer.
Education is the power "THE MAN" uses to keep us from understanding who we are. Also from taking our place as masters of the world and universe.
@GoldenHawk400. nothing you've written actually addresses anything Tim Wise said, nor have you presented any evidence to the contrary of his position. I'm going to have to assume that you're simply presenting an opinion, having completely bypassed the discomfort of thought. So I'll thank you for your opinion and dismiss it for its irrelevance, lack of poignancy and your clear disdain for facts.
Nobody on Earth can win a "Racism" debate against Tim Wise! ..Many have tried, but all have failed. Lol..
They weren't black? Please explain to me how two completely different races can evolve naturally on the same continent. And if they weren't black, what was their race?
I'm waiting....