Can you still make Power after Greenspeed?
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2024
- For episode #133 of the Flatirons Podcast, Jon sits down with Harvey from The Boostcreep and Zek from In Boost Performance to talk about Tuning a car and making power Post-Greenspeed.
In April of 2022, Cobb Tuning announced that they were making a fundamental change to the way their Tuning software worked with the Cobb AccessPort. Their goal was to move to get CARB E.O.'s for as many parts that they could, but in doing so, they also had to dramatically reduce the access that Tuners had to re-map the ECU when tuning a car.
Now that we are nearly a year and a half on from that change, there are almost more questions now about what works and what the Tuning options are now with the AccessPort. The biggest question that most people have is, Can you make Power Post-Greenspeed?
The good news is that many options are becoming available again, and Tuners like Harvey from the Boostcreep and shops like In Boost Performance have been working to find those answers, and they give us a lot of good information in the conversation.
If you have any other questions that weren't covered here be sure to leave them in the comments below.
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
Here are links for more information about these guests:
www.theboostcreepltd.com/
mylifeinboost.com/
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I am so grateful for Cobb and their Carb sticker products. I hope it pushes more companies to do the same. Great episode. Keep it up
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
Stay Tuned!
Good thing living outside of Denver and surrounding county's there's no emissions or inspections, so I got all the deletes and open-source tune on my GD 😎
Hey Harvey we share the same last name,thanks flatirons for the videos,I enjoy them,thanks Jon
Thanks for watching and glad to hear that you are enjoying the videos!
Stay Tuned!
FWIW, I have a 2018 STI w/ a 3” Inlet Blouch 1.5 XTR with the Killer B hard inlet with stock TGVs and fuel lines. It definitely fits but is very tight.
Also using a GEN2 GESI cat PN: 50230 (350-500HP) and the rear catalyst and heater go into ready state.
I very recently recall seeing someone making over 700WHP while being green speed compliant as well using the larger GEN2 Cat (PN: 85230).
I am in for BruHaHa! Great episode guys!
Thanks DP!
Stay Tuned!
I give Cobb serious respect for what they did. Emissions legal to avoid any sort of hassle. Not really a downside for a street car.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment!
Stay Tuned!
I'm in California, so nothing changed for me. Unfortunately, a lot of the emissions equipment on the the 02 wrx is problematic to the life of the engine, such as the cat in the downpipe, which had already exploded, destroying the turbo when I bought the car. It's also unfortunate that regulators, particularly here in California, end up just making arbitrary regulations, which just ends up with people just getting a hot smog, rather than sensible regulations, and working hand and hand with us. For instance, it's illegal to tune your car, even thought you could probably make emissions better, while making more power, or they've banned JDM engine blocks. Stupid rules produce stupid outcomes.
My setup in California. I still had it dirty smog but I’m sure it would pass.
2015 STI with Killer B Headers, Cobb 20g Turbo, Invidia Q300 Catback (stock downpipe), 1050 injectors, ETS TMIC, Killer B hard inlet, Koyo Radiator, Cobb Intake, IAG AOS, Cobb Uppipe, AEM 340 fuel pump, VSC radiator hoses, 04 STI fuel regular, and Grimspeed 3port. Stock Fuel Rails, Lines and BPV.
Puts down 350-360 whp on pump gas via street tune.
Am I g ideó and sooo true about the drivability
Quick question, I want to run a recirculated external wastegate. Is this something I can do or should with the stock downpipe?
I'd say that even a recirculated external gate could pose issues. I'd recommend looking at a stock fitment downpipe and see what results you get before considering that option.
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
Emissions regulation is why there is no longer an STI and why almost every Subaru has a CVT I really wish people would come together and draw a line in the sand enough is enough.
if cobb was smart they would have a daughter company develop and release software outside of the USA and therefore outside the grasp of the EPA. The EPA jurisdiction is only limited to that of the USA
On the idea though of having subaru make a truck, I do not agree with the idea that it should be on the fa24 platform. If we are going to see the return of the baja, then it would make sense to at least make it a 6 cylinder and with a real transmission. If they did do that at least they could use the same engine for the return of the STI, put it in some of the larger vehicles like the ascent, or offer it in the BRZ.
On another note for future video topics is to go over the manifolds available for the EJ. I mentioned it before in a previous video but I will gladly offer it again.
Thank you for another episode of the podcast and I can't wait to order more parts from you guys
ive dreamt of this and even entertained the idea of an EZ30 swap in so many different cars and pickups ! I really hope they create a bulletproof 6 cylinder engine.
Thanks for watching. Subaru absolutely has to sort out something like an 8-Speed Automatic transmission that they can use in place of the CVT, and ideally, one with a Hi-Lo range too. If they had that in the Ascent and Outback Wilderness, I think it would be a game changer.
For the engine, the FA24DIT makes more torque at 2000 rpm than the old 3.6 liter engine. I think that 4-cylinders are likely going to be here to stay for a bit, which I think is okay as long as they are attached to a good transmission option.
Stay Tuned!
Right now im tuned on just an intake and it works. But i would like to get more power and get retuned. My issue is a downpipe, seems like 19+ STIs are more touchy with GESI downpipe options. Seems like one would need to buy a gen2 GESi cat or two and get a custom downpipe made. I would like to do a true full bolt on greenspeed build but no downpipe options is my biggest concern.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. Down-Pipes are definitely going to be tricky going forward, but hopefully we will get some options at some point in the future.
Stay Tuned!
Just go catless and register it out of state.
Do my set up. Cobb intake and Cobb 20g turbo (both epa compliant), ETS TMIC, killer b headers and Invidia fatback. 360whp on stock down pipe. Beats 392s and 5.0s.
@@Craiggg12345stock fueling? Also what year and model is your car?
@@DivadD 2015 STI with Killer B Headers, Cobb 20g Turbo, Invidia Q300 Catback (stock downpipe), 1050 injectors, ETS TMIC, Killer B hard inlet, Koyo Radiator, Cobb Intake, IAG AOS, Cobb Uppipe, AEM 340 fuel pump, VSC radiator hoses, 04 STI fuel regular, and Grimspeed 3port. Stock Fuel Rails, Lines and BPV.
Puts down 350-360 whp on pump gas via street tune.
What ever happened to the RPM act?
It died.
Thanks for the question. For the most part, it stalled out in Congress. There was a similar bill that was working through the House I believe.
It is called the CARS act, and I think it got sent to the Senate.
“Choice in Automobile Retail Sales (CARS) Act” (H.R. 4468)
I don't think that is as significant as the RPM Act, but it may be a start at lease.
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
@@daviddin8863 😢
I run e85 that’s green enough for me.
I was never upset about greenspeed, i saw it coming specially with all the rampant crackle tunes i heard downtown. I was upset about the execution of it.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. It definitely could have been handled better, that is for sure. The good news is that many of the options that were lost, like Flex-Fuel, are coming back, and Tuners are finding ways to work with the new system.
Stay Tuned!
***Disclaimer***
This episode has big "my wifes boyfriend lets me watch" energy...
Cobb did what it had to, but dont congratulate them for cornering a market to the point where there aren't plugnplay standalone options available/then dropp the support with a 2 week notice. My engine was in que at the machine shop when greenspeed hit. I'll never forgive cobb untill they have true flex fuel available for the GD chassis. However it sounds like they are coming closer to that day.
Fp Blue, ID1300, 93oct, 20psi
Made 400 on a dyno dynamics, I want to see how she does it on corn, along with the increased timing. I'll wait on that haltech standalone for now.
Have built a few 500+whp cars here in NM with the green speed stuff, its really not a huge deal.
That is great to hear. It seems that as we get more time to work with the changes, the differences are just not as big as we thought.
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
Hope more they build a 6 speed sti again than a 8 auto.. 😋
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
We definitely are hoping the same.
Stay Tuned!
It is disgusting that many car enthusiasts are seemingly okay with overbearing emissions regulations and equipment. We are seeing the hobby, industry and businesses getting destroyed in real time by this.