My Thoughts On The Atgames Pinball 4K Redesign Announcement
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2023
- I'm very excited about Atgames latest ALP 4K redesign announcement. Do you think Atgames can pull this off at a reasonable price... hopefully by later this year we will find out.
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If Atgames can pull this off at a competitive price it could be a huge success... let me know what you think
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Expect $1199-$1200 pricing. I can't see a 4K playfield screen, upgraded CPU, integrated vibs along with a larger backglass coming in under $1200.
Me, since I've put in a 4k screen already, I'll probably invest in the CPU upgrade board.
I'd be interested in this at the right price point, but I want to have access to all the tables I already have, even if not in 4K.
I appreciate the video and your comments. I have two ALP's and the first one was direct ship from atgames and had haptic vibration with stock exciters, the control panel replacement pretty much fixed that.
THe second ALP from Sams, had great exciters and no buzz, speakers in the backbox were in baffles, ect, it was obvious that they had made improvements between the versions, even beyond those listed.
I think you are way off on pricing. This will be a 1299-1499 product at launch and direct sell, sellout, just like ALU 4k, that will be 999.
Now in a year or so after the demand wanes, you should see discount pricing direct. I don't see sams getting the 4k versions of either product, if atgames continues with the reg alu and reg alp, maybe slightly update ALU to 3399 pcb.
The same thing happened with the og alp, sold out direct, shipped in waves, then later in its lifecycle made it to Sams, these new 4k products are priced out of the Sams market, people who know what this is will buy it, I dont see this as an impulse buy at brick and mortar.
I agree the price will be over 1200 and direct purchase from AtGames
I really hope 1200-1500 isn't the price. For that I would go with a different company that does custom builds. I don't think these improvements should add that much to the price but I could be wrong. Appreciate the comment
@@show-me-retro I hear you but look at what they did. You are asking them to sell it at around the same price as ALP msrp is now. They upped the backbox to near or better than buystuff store and thats a 300-400 upgrade, added solenoids, better speakers, 4k screen, new body, 3588, longer legs, ect. I've looked into custom build as well, lets see how this pans out, I dont think anyone makes an under 2k 4k pinball machine but maybe they do with Chinese import off alibaba.
@@carlo1132 probably right but I still don't see this at Sam's for over $1K
4k may be nice, but low monitor response time and high refresh rate is what we need. My laptop has a 120hz screen and I noticed a huge difference in ball movement. If they are are pricing over 1100, depending on if you want more OTG play, you are getting into where a flatpack may be the better option. Time will tell.
I agree. Anything close to 1200 and I'd probably go with a custom build that offers a bigger palyfield and more options.
I wonder if they will relocate the PC/USB inputs to a better spot with this redesign? I would like the option of having them on the side of the cabinet - or better yet - a PC input under the cabinet so I can mount one underneath.
I wonder if it will even come out before the end of the year.... I have my doubts
4K screen -with you that close will look great - I suspect the same tables as the mini table - a deeper case means you can add a pc into the case - the external connectors Need to be inside near the back with a removable panel for access from outside, and the option to add a multi-way switched socket with external switch for the mains…
Cool, appreciate the comment
Great video! I was getting ready to buy the current version of ALP when they had this announcement so now I'm playing the waiting game until later this year. Hopefully it's worth the wait! I'll work on the OTG until then.
It's going to be expensive but hopefully it'll be worth it.
Me too
there is a HUGE difference between 1080p and 4k even on a 32 inch screen. I just hope they ship it with a seperate DMD!
Sounds pretty good to me. It is true that majority of 32in TVs are only 720p with a few 1080p as I had one that recently stopped working, but there are plenty of PC displays that are 4k and under 32in so not too hard to imagine. I have a 32in PC nmonitor that does 1440p and it's gorgeous. Yeah with 9 months left to meet the deadline I would think they would have a better mock up design by now. They might trying to save it for when it gets closer to release to show it off, or when preorder time starts.
I would guess it would make a difference or they probably wouldn't do it. Looking forward to seeing how much better it looks
What they need to do is allow a CoinopsX style Pinball. Just plug n play.
If this doesn't pan out well, I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on the buystuffarcades tv stand and building my own smaller pinball cab/controller or maybe trying the gamer pro with the buystuffarcades haptics kit. Anyone use these before?
Not a bad idea
Wondering how my Legends Pinball HD would sell so I could put that money toward this one. Great video too. The "Honey I know you wanted chicken bit" made me laugh out loud.
Dude, I'm wondering the same thing. I'm thinking of posting mine on marketplace any day now. The longer I wait the less I'll probably get. Appreciate the kind words 🍻
@@show-me-retro I know what you mean! But, I play my ALP almost everyday and would hate to do without for a while. And, I hear they are pushing for a holiday release, but the way they're going might not be until 2024
@ericlintemuth6398 you're absolutely right, NO WAY they are making a 2023 release date
Higher res even if not noticeable as 4k will have higher pixel density so less screendoor effect close ip
Enjoyed watching your video I found it very informative problem I have with the whole announcement with the new stuff is I already have the pinball machine I've had it for 2 years and like you said in your video times are tough so unless I found someone who's going to give me like four or five hundred for my old machine I got to say I got money invested in this one I already have the marquee that goes on top I already bought that the board in the back so I can hook it up to my computer and have the score show up and all that so I have to say it's a big hold up for me at least maybe when I see what happens we'll take it from there but I'm not a patient person so waiting to Christmas or whenever to get it might not even work out so good for me either as usually better to wait for something to come out and get reviews before I just plug down my hard earn money again thanks again for the video I enjoyed it
Thanks brother, appreciate it. I have over 1k invested in mine but a lot if that is table packs and a few accessories. I could maybe get $600 for mine on FB but that wouldn't even cover half of this new one I'm afraid
Completely agree with you on price point. $1K delivered, it’ll sell like hot cakes. Hell, I’m ready to preorder NOW if price and more specifics about the upgrades are there. Otherwise, I’ll be fine for a huge sale on the previous iteration of this great machine. Great video…keep them coming and the community updated on this one. CHEERS 🍻
I can see a price north of $1 grand. My thinking for this is a lot of people mod their cabinets and I bet Atgames see's that as money lost. It also seems like the DMD is optional, so that might affect the price but I think everyone would want a dedicated DMD. With the PCB upgrade at $399, I just don't see this coming in at $899, but I hope I'm wrong. The 4k screen is a nice upgrade but I would rather have a 120hz monitor. I also am curious how the solenoids would work with FX3 of VPX, or is that only for the built in tables.
All good questions! You're probably right about the price, I'm just hoping they realize anything north of 1k will push out the average buyer but they probably don't care. I just can't see this at retail for that much though
Love this, but $1k is outside my price point. Maybe I can pick up an existing model at a great price - either a clearance sale or a used one from an upgrader.
For sure, people will be unloading their first gen models on FB in droves
Will the 4k screen be 60hz? 120hz for otg with faster response time would be great.
No word yet, getting a little worried that nothing has been announced. Hopefully hearing something soon but with an expected release of late this year it's possible there could be delays
@@show-me-retro The summer sale is at the end of the month. Should be interesting.
I'm excited for this. I've been putting off getting virtual pinball in the hopes for a design like this. Let's hope they get it right. I'm pretty sure it will be over 1k though, maybe even as much as $1,499 😔
Yeah you're probably right, that seems to be the consensus
I have a legend pinball and love it. But I don't see all these extras bigger screens. Extra screens. I just see it in the over 1200 range
@@bcchrestians What?
Bad punctuation. I don't see it with all the extras not being at least 1200
@@bcchrestians Oh, yeah. I completely agree with that being the minimum. 👍
Are folks ready to get rid of their old ALPs for this or are you guys planning to have 2 in your playroom?
Mine will be on FB in a heartbeat
Great points as always mate. My concerns are that people have invested a lot into the 1st legends pinball. Firstly the hartics were rubbish and im sure the solenoids will be just on the same par. The upgrade mod with a bass shaker will deliver greater performance.
So what's offered for current owners is a 300 dollars upgrade to have a faux pin up interface upgrade when you can do that all ready on otg mode, it doesn't add any value. It's all about the upgraded 4k screen.
However, the 1080 screen on the ALP isn't sharp and lacks sharpness so whats to say they wont compromise on a 4k screen as well?
I feel in the current climate a 4k screen plus the extras will be easily over 1k most 4k pinballs devices are over 2kor3k so they will have no option to do cut backs somewhere. I'm used to paying higher in England but for me it's probably easier and more cost effective to build one myself so says it all!
I'm happy to discuss further on chat...
I'm lucky to have not invested that much in my ALP. I'm over 1k but that's mainly due to table packs and control panel.
You're right about most vpins are in the higher end range BUT most of them have even more options like subs, knockers, and larger screens. I really hope Atgames realizes if they go much more over $1k that most people will build their own or just go with a custom vpin with better specs
@@show-me-retro As a competitive league pinball player who hasn’t bought a VPin yet but is shopping, I think all the talk about upgrading and building your own machines misses the fact that most buyers just want to play pinball and don’t care about specs or building the perfect machine. Moding is it’s own hobby. Bells and whistles are great, but if you’re thinking about getting a pinball for the kids at Christmas, price is probably more important than anything else. I hope ATgames, after their 4K comes out, keeps their current model, or something like it, in production so that the casual buyer can still get into pinball at a decent price.
@@khayes1995 I'm sure they will
Hey Pat can you make another video on this now that they’ve released a new mock-up and are taking preorders? Would love to know your thoughts on this.
I'm actually ready to sell my table and buy a nice larger used vpin instead of the new Atgames. When you're getting over $1K I would rather have something done much nicer even if it costs considerably more
I hope that makes sense
@@show-me-retroThat makes sense lol. I’m just saying another video on your thoughts on the product and price now that they’ve released preorders.
I was wondering if you would upgrade your ALP, if the opportunity came around.
Yeah, this fixes pretty much every issue I had with the original design. But I'm sure the price will be astrological so we shall see
Thanks for this video! Just got into looking at these machines, hadn't yet heard about this announcement. The integrated VIBS is great. I'm also hoping they move the location of those connectors that were at the back left of the playfield!
I agree, I'm really hoping they can do this at an affordable price
I also love the Gottlieb tables as far as I know Im still number 1 on Centigrade 77
Nice
$1299 Addams Family with no solenoid kit.
Are they keeping the current model active as well? The price could be at least $200 higher or lower. Thinking $1,000 if this is the only one they are selling, but could be $1,200.... $1,000 seems too low.
Keeping the old model is a very good point and I wish I had covered that. I would guess yes that way people still have lower priced options
good video 👍 I hope this comes out and at a good price👍
No doubt, anything over $1k we riot LOL
any news about the release of the new pincab ?
I haven't heard anything unfortunately. I have a feeling we may not see a new model this year
This is impressive if At Games can pull this off for the right price.
Fingers crossed 🤞 it's priced appropriately
What’s the right price?
@@shootermcgavin1208 hopefully under 1200
I LOVE my ALP! It's been heavily upgraded and practically done - BSA Deluxe Backbox 2 and their haptics upgrade kit, Cleveland solenoids, GoldLeaf buttons, LED coin doors, etc.
I'm thrilled that AtGames has been paying attention to what the community has been doing with their ALP, and now releasing the next version with much needed upgrades! It's a shame the 4K display will only be 60hz, but the beefier system board should provide more realistic stock tables - and they should remaster those old Gottlieb tables, just have Magic Pixel do it!
This new table is going to be $1000 minimum considering all the upgrades and new features. Just to upgrade the new board is $350 alone 😭
Whoa, no idea that board costs that much. Thanks for the clarification, I wish I had known that prior to upload LOL
Are you planning to get this table too? Board? Or passing? I have the current one upgraded with Blackbox, so not really looking to sell it. Thinking additional table in the gameroom OR just grabbing the board instead.
@@Florescj12 i would love to if the price is right. I'd have to sell my existing table as well in order to justify the cost
Lets hope that Magic Pixel does a more realistic ball physics movement with the new games than they did with the ALP.
No kidding, those Gottlieb tables are a disaster
I am interested in it but I am going to wait to see first is price and second if that cpu can handle 4K without lag. I have gen 1 of the ALP and have added solenoids to mine, real pinball legs for more height as well as the VIBS board. With the 4K coming out this thing isn't going to be worth much. lol First is replacing one of my real pins long before I got the ALP. I am lucky, my wife could care less what I pay for my hobbies. She has hers and I don't question what she spends on hers as well.
Yeah there's a lot of ifs once this new model comes out. I have a feeling it will probably be delayed due to issues and supply chain
To be honest I'm happy with my attack from mars pinswitch mini. I've realized virtual pinball is best looking on a smallish screen anyway. Think about it if it was physically possible to recreate a real pinball machine game and make it tiny and it fully works, that would be amazing yeah? So why not take advantage of virtual pinball on the small scale? Still have sanwa buttons so it's all I really need until I one day maybe pick up a real pinball machine.
I totally get it. It's a lot of money but there is a big difference playing on my pinswitch vs the ALP. They're both fun but I prefer an experience closer to full size. Thanks for the comment 👍
@@show-me-retro No worries, I respect your view.
I hope it's not $899, I just bought the HD model. $899 sounds insane to me, the cheapest monitor I could find was $300. So adding that on to base price would be $1K.
I think now it will be around 1300
I hope it's sub 1k
Same but unlikely
I want the ALP 4KP
Ikr, it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the year. I'm betting no ALP before Christmas... that's a lot of changes and I have a feeling there will be a few snags
I’m going to stick woth my micro. Everyone has to keep up with the Joneses! People dropping 4-500 on a new backbox, which in many cases cost more than the machine itself. they realize that people will pay 600 in upgrades, so they had the idea to just do it from the get-go. There is no way in hell it will retail for less than 1000.
love the pregnant lady, caught me off guard.lol
honestly, if they succesfully jam all that stuff in there 1,200 seems reasonable.
Yeah, I must be in the minority thinking it'll be under 1K. Many people said the new board they're using is 350 by itself coupled with all the upgrades and it probably will be way north of 1K unfortunately
Dude. Fx is gonna look sick a.f. in 4k.
Can they get into Costco, Sam's pulled out of Washington State
I doubt that
I’ve heard the same. You don’t reap 4k beenefits on smaller screens. Now for PC gaming where people need every advantage, you’ll see them have 4k displays in FPS games. I guess it can’t hurt if they can pull off the gameplay in 4k. Will only be an advantage.
It's nice It's there, I just hope that doesn't jack the price up because it really shouldn't... 4k monitors that size are super cheap now
I think the upgrade to 4k will be noticeable. I have a homemade mini cab that I put together a few years ago. It has a 27 inch playfield that I started with a 1440p screen. I upgraded to a 4k screen a couple years ago. I noticed the difference between 1440p to 4k. It does get much more expensive though on the pc side when going 4k; I had to upgrade my 1070 on my pinball pc. I also upgraded my arcade cabinet at the same time from 1080p to 4k 32 screen. I had a 4690k with a 980ti in the arcade cabinet, but I had to put in a 3600 with a 1080 ti to max everything at 4k on mk11 without any drops or stutters. So, it is a bit of diminishing returns.
$1299 without DMD, $1349 with 7" DMD.... Both models will include revamped gottlieb tables.
4K monitor has 120hz refresh...
Included Vibs board is non removable and buttons and ports have been moved from top of playfield to back of the machine.... That's all I can say!
Wow, 1350 eh...
@@show-me-retro MSRP
@@JCKCQCRC hmmmm
Any idea if the current model will continue to be sold along side the new one?
Do you think the DMD will work with the stock tables, or will it only work in OTG mode?
I'm betting this will be like a Pro version and will cost over $1200. They will keep the current one for those who want something cheaper. This to me just gives people choices now that they have a mini too. I would have liked to have seen a bigger 4k screen or 120hz with this new one. Maybe the screen will give you a choice of 1080p 120 vs 4k 60. Hopefully we will get some kind of screen controls with this. Please for the love of God give me a better way to navigate the menu and do away with that piece of crap directional pad!!!!!
Yeah, hopefully it won't be north of 1k but you're probably right
You might be spot on
Will they keep the giant legends logo on the back box ? Please don’t !
That's preliminary, subject to change but yeah PLEASE ATGAMES lose the logo LOL
I'm getting 4 atgames tattoos
I'm super f'n excited. Best affordable digital pinball machine about to get even better. But I'm definitely waiting till it hits the public. Never preorder anything!
Yes, hopefully get one of those Sam's Christmas specials LOL. I'll have serious Fomo but I can wait
For 1k and up starting price?..no thanks I’m good with my current ALP w vibs board. It’s already playin all the cool games on there. This would be more for the vpinball hcore gamer, For average consumer 1k for a pinball is pretty steep IMO.
Oh I agree, but the concensus seems to be at least 1199
There is no way it's 899.. but here's wishing it is
I know, but one can dream
There are still a sit ton of supply chain problems, EVERYONE is behind schedule of what they've wanted to release.
I don't doubt that
@Show-Me Retro I work for a Semi tool supplier company, we've tripled our production in the last 3 years, and we're only 50% of the the way to where Intel needs us to be, we have supply shortages, and so does everyone trying to build out our expansion. We never recovered fully from covid before Russia turned the world's supply chains upside down, we have to build our way out of it, there's no easy button to move production back domestically, so much new to build from scratch.
@@michaelkeudel8770 wow, that's nuts
@Show-Me Retro we also do business with all the other fabs, Samsung, Global Foundries, TSMC, IBM, SK Hynix, Micron, etc...and their all building fabs. And there's a tin of battery plants being built, then add on top of rebuilding our supply chains, we also have the massive infrastructure rebuilding all over the country. There is no time to lay people off or have a recession with everything that's on our plate already or still in planning, we are in a massive building boom.
@@michaelkeudel8770 well that's good to hear
No way this under $1000 and I can’t afford it if it’s not lol
It’s exciting, but it’s also AT Games…
Ikr 🤣
Arcade1up is a joke.
Yes indeed