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Mance Rhaegar (hear me out) - ASOIAF Theories
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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Incredible quote. "We don't have overwhelming evidence. We're just giving all the evidence we have in a way that overwhelms you."
Those could be our house words
Mandy Moore of House Rapunze was the Kingsguard who nearly killed Tyrion.
Also, the funniest thing about Mance = Rhaegar is that, instead of the show having Rhaegar named two of his kids “Aegon”, he now has named two of his kids “Aemon”.
If the mance theory is true that means robert and rhaegar are in winterfell at the same time.
The Dornishman's Wife probably isn't a Dornish song. It's a song about cuckholding a Dornishman, so it probably comes from a place inimical to Dorne -- Like the Reach. The Dornish Marches are a good place to win gold and glory for a poor knight (probably why Renly'd Rainbowguard Royce was around), so there's a lot of cultural interchange between the Marches and the nobility of the rest of Westeros.
Also, Tormund says that half his member is twice the size on any other man's. If we take "any other" to mean the "average," then Mance, having a member a third the size of Tormund's, seems to be rather hung.
Yaknow Jon and Aemon’s births also parallel each other since we have a potentially ritualized sacrifice of soldiers and the mother. Rhaegar also potentially had a water (or fire) wife and two ice wifes, Val is Other-coded so clearly Dalla has Other-blood/adjacency.
I’m just listening but this is not righ bc, as I have argued in detail for years, Mance Rayder is Arthur Dayne-Rhaegar’s best friend, most loyal and trusted agent, and probable father (being the Lancelot of the court whom the queen loved), making him probably Jon’s grandfather not father. All the evidence that he could be Rhaegar applies to Arthur Dayne but there is 25 times more!
Totally agree. It also makes sense why Mance looks after Jon. He's Jons uncle because N+A=J. The evidence that really sticks out to me is when Mance, glamored as rattleshirt, wants to use a great sword and no shield against Jon when they train at castle black. Mance has the biggest tent of the wildling camp and its snow white like the kingsgaurd. The way Mance wins over the wildlings by sometimes fighting, or singing, or "sweet words" is exactly how Jamie describes Arthur Dayne winning over the masses from the smiling knight. There is a lot more but its also coumpounded when you see all the evidence for Tormund being Gerald Hightower, The White Bull, and Qorin Halfhand being Oswald Went.
During the initial andal invasions of Westeros, Ser Artos Arryn, the Falcon Knight, defeated the High King of the Vale using a similar trick as at the Blackwater.
A champion wore his distinctive armour into battle, drawing out a charge from the Valemen. After cutting down the andal champion however, Artos led a counter charge and slew the Royce king.
So it's happened at least twice.
A lot of the chapters show what happened in the past. The hidden stories make the rereads worth it.
I have no idea where this will go and I'm so here for it!
First guess before hearing anything: this is actually in the opposite direction. The free folk got obliterated so Mance had to time travel and warg into Rhaegar to change the political landscape!
I will not hear you out!
30:59 I'm pretty sure it was Barristan who tried to kill Tyrion.
I previously thought this theory was dumb but you have made it much more interesting and believable.
All this talk of hidden identities made me think of what might happen to Mance in WoW. It would be cool if there is a scene in Winterfell where Ramsey is skinning Mance, who occasionally yells about having the wrong guy when his gag falls out of his mouth. Somebody then steals the ruby on his wrist and Mance transforms into a missing Bolton soldier.
WAIT THIS IS SO GOOD. THE MANCE WHO IS CAPTURED IS JUST SOME OTHER PERSON WHO WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE. JUST LIKE THE ARYA IN WINTERFELL.
I had never heard this theory before! I love it! I really enjoy your content. Just some buddies theorizing about things they love. It's a fun way to get into lore. Keep up the good work!
This theory is so fucking weird I really hope it's true tbh.
Weird Rayl Mancivic
I'm sad to say you've presented some pretty convincing arguments, so now this is the story that i believe
Rhaegar’s daughter was named Rhaenys. His mother was Rhaella.
Y’all missed the blue winter rose connection with Mance talking about Bael the Bard compared to Rhaegar with Lyanna.
Oh no, did y’all enter the Wolf’s Den?
Was it in the books or the bad dragon show that they joke that Jon Snow has a small 'Member'
Only the show I think, tormund does give him a hard time about the watch cutting off his member and if he doesn’t use it then it’ll shrink away til you can’t find it anymore, but o that’s not quite the same.
I don’t think there’s anything in the books about him being short or small at all, whereas the show they did a lot but the actor was short so it fit and they went with it.
This is it. This is peak asoiaf fandom brainrot. I love it.
Regarding why Mance didn’t have kids earlier… how many months have passed between Aemon Steelsong being born and the Red Comet earlier?
I just imagine Tom sitting on Zac’s lap during this recording sesh
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It was Ser Davos Seaworth
I only like the Mance Rhaegar theory because Ned's recollection and the general acceptance of what went down at Tower of Joy kind of stinks...
Dayne, Hightower and Whent, 3 hardened veteran Knights clad in pate, would have whiped the floor with 6 boys likely far lightly armed and armoured not only due to not being as elite fighters, but also having just travelled to the Tower. And the fact that Stark and Reed are apparently in good enough condition to rush up the stairs to Lyanna, and then dismantle the Tower and erect Cairns and travel back to Winterfel via Starfall, Kings Landing, Riverrun, and probs also Greywater Watch.
Plus there's the fact that by this point Arys has already disinherited Rhaegar, so why are the Kingsguard so protective of Lyanna/John while there are heirs in Kings landing and Dragonstone?
So was Rhaegar at the Tower too? Did everyone split and go there separate ways for the good of the Planet? Did Rhaegar die at the Trident and Mance is Dayne?
Everything is odd. So yeah, is it bad writing? Or is some secret shenanigans going on?
The point about Arys already disinheriting Rhaegar is sorta moot, it's been established that these three Kingsguard in particular were more loyal to Rhaegar than they were to Arys, they're protecting Lyanna/Jon because they want Rhaegar and/or his kid on the throne after everything is said and done, or to be able to protect them if they aren't able to make a play for the throne.
(I agree with the rest of what you said, this is most likely gonna be a huge plot point in TWoW or ADoS and the seeming impossibilities and other points that don't make much sense will all be clarified for us)
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Mel Burning Mance on CD is an INCREDIBLE joke
Thank you so much for all the kind words!
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What if Rhaegar goes to Faegon and goes “Im the true heir to the throne and this is a blackfyre for sure” but because its the Golden Company they kill Rhaegar on the spot
Brynden who saves Dunk who saves Rhaegar and they're all North of the wall, js.
I bet you guys didn't realize that Rhaegar appears at the end of the prologue. The blue eyes of the other and the delicate touch he has hint that Weymar is being controlled by the blue-eyed broody bad boy himself.
Boros Blount, the most forgettable kingsguard
wow this one was a banger
I love this show and these nerds and this nerd show
31:01 It was Loras Tyrell in Renly’s armor and he almost had him 😂
It was _Garlan_ Tyrell in Renly's armour. The armour was too big for Loras.
Here’s the problem with this theory…
I’d need to have my wife watch like 100 hours of theory video in order to show her this video… now she’s going on about the OG video and stuck on ashara, Jon having a twin, the ridiculousness of 3 king’s guards hiding up north waiting in jon and of course stuck on N+A=J… and several other points they made… so now I’M going back to watch the green hand vid so I can start over on this theory… I’d rather listen to this again, or any number of other vids, but now I’m stuck working this theory backwards while trying to catch my wife up on 13 years worth of THE GOOFIEST THEORIES IMAGINABLE…
There must be an end to the insanity one day…
I’m sitting and listening…
2:45 theory begins
10:45 Zac is not amused
25:00 Zac, my mind moves in similar ways
10:58 Zac gets it
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Hell yeah!
These jokes r 4 me x
Do you guys know about the theory that Jon isn't dead and was body-swapped with Tormund right before the stabbing? I have to go back and look at the evidence, but it has to do with why we see Jon swap babies to protect them from Melisandre, and Mel swaps Mance and Rattleshirt to protect Mance from Stannis. That's why we see Jon being told about Mance and the ruby, because Melisandre does the same thing with Jon and Tormund. I believe there was enough evidence that it's plausible, and GRRM once acted surprised when a reporter mentioned Jon Snow being dead, like maybe he wasn't killed.
Maybe it was Order of the Green Hand who had that theory? It was a while ago. All of the body swap and secret identity theories sound crazy until you compile a list of how many characters are currently going by an assumed identity, or believed dead but actually alive, and all of the actual baby swapping and identity changing we see in the story. It's not far-fetched at all, but the people who pick up on it can be dismissed as crazies!
Burn it on CD, A++ joke. ❤
Can someone help me find the video where they talk about syrela sand being rheyela around 56:00?
I don’t know about this tin foil at all…
Oh I've got this. Anyone who wants to watch this nonsense is cool with me. ua-cam.com/video/iHTgH-7Qxsc/v-deo.html
Except Jon is another meta baby swap with N+A=J and R+L=D.
Not 100% on the wonderwall joke but mayby.
Fine…
I have heard you out. All I can say is *incredibly loud incredibly incorrect buzzer*
Is he on heavier drugs for this one? Or perhaps he should have been?
Yes and yes
That's stupid