Vicmarc VM-120 vs Oneway Stronghold chuck review (Jaws not interchangeable)
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2022
- I have used both chucks for years and give my honest review. Plus insights on jaws and faceplate options.
*** I’ve read on Aawforum.org that these jaws are interchangeable. I confirmed today after a question on here that they are not compatible. The attachment holes closer by a mm or 2. That may make the Oneway a better option as their jaws are much less $$ than Vicmarc jaws.
3:04 the serrated teeth are also there so you can grip any size tenon that will fit in the jaws. Dovetail jaws are most effective at nearly closed which is when they are circular. As they expand they have less grip. If you turn green wood and do a second turning this can cause issues with a dovetail joint since the dried hole tend to be oblong. Again like you said it depends on the turning you do but I only use those since I mainly do second turnings of green wood.
I see what you are saying and that makes sense. I have definitely experienced the oblong deformation after drying and have had to reshape the dovetail recess or tenon. Sometimes it’s so bad I probably had to use a difference size jaw than I rough turned with.
I just love this outlook on this
Glad to see you’re from south east Ohio I’m from farther south in Ironton and have the same problem with being 2 hours from any classes I watch a lot of videos
Small world Dave. I graduated from Coal Grove. I still work down a long the river. Hopefully you find some of my videos helpful.
Quite a good assessment of the VM120 chucks, I've never seen a Oneway chuck so I cannot comment on them.
With the Vicmarc face plate rings, there are two designed for the VM120 chucks, you have the smaller of the two, and two designed for the VM100 chucks. I have all four Vicmarc face plate rings and use them a lot for green turning and mostly, but not always, for dry wood turning.
There is a safety feature on the Vicmarc chucks, this is the V groove in the insert. Vicmarc lathes all have a mirror image V on their spindle, Vicmarc manufacture a Safety Collar, which locks the chuck either directly, or as in your case by the insert/adaptor. This prevents the chuck from unscrewing off of the spindle drive thread, which can sometimes happen if you are turning a really heavy piece and the lathe braking system slows the lathe down enough to break the chuck/spindle grip. Also handy if you wish to reverse for sanding or any other such requirement.
Vicmarc part No. V00975
Thanks for the info. I didn’t know they had a larger faceplate ring for my chuck.
Oneway seems to be more popular and available in The United States. I would love to try out a vicmarc lathe!
@@woodworkingmcdanielstyle The larger faceplate ring for the VM120 is faceplate ring 150, part No V00403. This works with the 128mm dovetail jaw set part No. V00676.
The standard jaw set has tenons which are 12mm in height, the larger set has a beefier tenon which is 14mm deep and slightly wider, probably around 2mm thicker looking at them side by side.
I think, depending upon the model Vicmarc lathe you may get to use, you probably would like them. The solidness of them is really apparent, which are down to a couple of things, the tool post is 30mm in diameter, not 25.4mm in diameter. and the way the toolpost just slides in and is locked in place is something.
I'm in Australia and mostly the Vicmarc lathes I have used are all mounted on the Vicmarc legs/cabinet/stand thing. Really solid and designed so your feet don't interfere with the legs, unique to Vicmarc I think.
Funnily enough, I ended up with a Revo 2436, which is one of the few USA designed lathes readily available in Australia. Made in Taiwan actually. The tool post on the Revo lathes is 25.4mm and is held in place by a total clamp type of arrangement. It is the only lathe I've used where the toolrest is held as rigidly as the Vicmarc lathes I've used.
And if you are wondering why the Revo 2436 over the Vicmarc 300 lathe, the wheel set available for the Revo lathe was the major reason as it enables me to easily roll my lathe into the corner wall out of the way. Plus accessories like the bed extension really enhance the possibilities of the lathe for my kind of turning; which is mainly bowls.
You are a wealth of information. Don’t be surprised if people jump in this thread to ask you questions. I have a powermatic 3520b. I put the bed extension lower on the end for outboard turning. With the powermatic I have to slide the headstock to the end for this feature. I rarely do outboard turning but I just got some massive ambrosia maple logs…so will be doing more of it soon. I do think the powermatic tool rest mounting is not so great. It’s just a screw against the tool rest pipe. Small screw and often it moves because I don’t get it tight enough. So I do see the advantage of a better locking design.
I learned the same way - before youtube. I also started with the Oneway Stronghold and thought they were the cat's meow, until I got a Vicmarc. Vicmarc is a much better chuck. Look at the cost of replacing the Oneway chuck key, if you ever lose or wear it out. Vicmarc has better gear ratio so you can get a lot more power if you need to really crank down on a piece. Vicmarc also has much more jaw travel.
I failed to mention the jaw travel. You are correct and just a bit faster and smoother. My self taught experience was scary and frustrating lol. Hopefully I never lose the Oneway chuck key but being able to replace a hex key with an Allen wrench or Allen socket also is an advantage of the Vicmarc.
Nice review! I traveled a similar path as you. Started with a budget brand chuck, then bought two Oneway Strongholds, and then discovered the VM120. I dislike the OW serrated jaws and do not like the drill chuck type key. I do prefer the VM120 because of the hex key, their smooth operation, and their jaws. I like the Strongholds and glad I have them. But if I were doing it over again, I would likely just have a couple of Vicmarcs.
Sounds like same path for sure. I am just glad that I have arrived to a place with 3 chucks and I don’t have to change jaws anymore. But I agree I probably would prefer to have all three be vicmarc because of the hex key. Thanks for watching and the comment!
An advantage of the Vicmarc over the Oneway chuck is that the Vicmarc comes with jaws that you can use without damaging the timber. The Oneway stock jaws will always damage the mortise or tenon. I like the sealed back on the Vicmarc much better than the open back on the Oneway chuck. The only reason to leave a chuck open, as Oneway does, is to save a few dollars. There is no advantage to an open-body chuck. Another advantage to Vicmarc chucks, are their very versatile Shark-Jaws. I don't believe that Oneway offers Shark-Jaws. I'm not bashing Oneway, they are a cornerstone of the woodturning craft, but I think that Vicmarc chucks are a better fit for how I work.
Thanks Peter. Only thing I don’t like about Vicmarc products is that they are more difficult to obtain in the USA. I wish I could find a distributor that ships to the states and carries all their products. Maybe that exists but I just haven’t stumbled onto it yet.
I've got the Stronghold, the Vicmarc, this one got longer play for the jaws, specially for the bowls jaw, and finely, the Nova Titan II and Titan III, the advantage of these ones, are, they accept all Nova series jaws and they are quite heavy duty chuck, love them, and they even can take the Oneway Basic and Talon jaws without any problems.
Good info. I had a cheap nova chuck years ago. I’ve never had their higher end chucks. Nice feature that they can accept some of the one way jaws!
Interesting, does that mean the Oneway Talon can take Nova Jaws?
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I do it regularely and hold very well.
I have had 2 of those Craftsman lathes behind you my son has my last one a good workhorse .I have a jet now and just got a vicmarc chuck a month ago all mine in the past were oneway. Its the Vicmarc jaws that are better not so much the chuck . Also get a shark jaw try that a bit they are really great. Thanks
I was fortunate to get a great deal on that craftsman lathe. I made a base for it and I can disassemble for travel. It is a perfect lathe to take to shows and do demos on. Thanks for watching and the feedback!
I have the smaller
Vicmarc chuck and my question is, are all Vicmarc mounting jaws the same? Would one set of jaws fit all Vicmarc bodies? If that were true then buying Oneway jaws would make sense. While I have you here, I am thinking of upgrading lathes from a jet 12/36 to a laguna 18/36. The spindles are different. Can you change the spindle insert on a Vicmarc chuck? Just learned this morning there is a difference with a spindle adapter and spindle insert. Makes a big difference when Googling for information. Thanks for your information it will come in handy.
Hey Bruce, I think I would confirm with Vicmarc on that question. Looking at packardwoodworks.com (where I’ve bought a lot) it looks like they have VM120 and VM100 jaws in separate categories. So my assumption is the jaws may not be interchangeable. The spindle inserts on the Vicmarc is definitely interchangeable for different lathe headstock drives. Looks like options from 5/8” all the way up to 1.25 “ with different turns per inch options also. You will just have to find out what the Laguna has. Looks like the Laguna 18/36 has 1.25” x 8 TPI. That adapter is about $40.
After your comment I do notice the oneway jaws are much less expensive than the Vicmarc jaws. I’ve read on aawforum that the jaws were interchangeable and I swear I confirmed this years ago. But I just tried this in my shop and I will have to edit this video because they are not interchangeable. The two holes are like a mm or 2 closer together. I hate being wrong but in this case I definitely was and apologize! That being said, it’s possible the jaws of your smaller Vicmarc may be interchangeable with a smaller oneway or Nova chuck. I’m reading people saying they are but I cannot confirm.
@@woodworkingmcdanielstyle Thanks for the reply and all the information. It would suck to find you spent all that money and they just don't fit. Your comment on the Allen key is what pushed me to Vicmarc years ago. Just moved in here about a year ago and trying to get the garage back to my shop. Still looking for places to get rid of moving boxes.😃 Finally got new AC in there so don't have an extension cord from the one outlet. Thanks again.
You are welcome Bruce. Let me know if I can ever help. I still have things in moving boxes from 15 years ago. Maybe that means I don’t need those things
The jaw mounting screw spacing is different on the 100 and 120, they will not interchange.
New sub. Good practical review. I agree about the key for the oneway and don't really like it. I prefer the VM-90 and 140 that use a bar over the 100 and 120. I also have a 150 with the largest jaws they make and use it for platters and drums. I purchased the last VM-140 Vicmarc had at the time and if there is anyone out there that doesn't like them, please let me know as I want 2 more.
Thank you! Chucks are kinda like clamps…you can never have enough. You like the bar because it has more mechanical advantage?
Not sure if it has mechanical advantage but the 140 and 90 are more compact than their 100 and 120 counterparts, and maybe even stronger. The bar is faster when used with a good spindle lock like on my Robust AB. Seems like they are disliked by those that use two bars.
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Interesting. I’ll have to consider them when I shop for my next chuck. Thanks
Good luck! Not sure on the VM90, but Vicmarc Australia said I got the last 140.@@woodworkingmcdanielstyle
What is "Jawl"?
That’s my southern Ohio accent saying “Jaw”. The chuck has 4 - jaws that close up or expand out
@@woodworkingmcdanielstyle thanks