I've got a 2013 Ram 2500 , bought in March of 2013, suspension replaced in May of 2013 with the Carli/Bilstein system (front and rear springs). Never an issue, replaced the shocks with carli Bilsteins when needed and it now has the Carli Fox shocks on it. Seven years and 275K miles later, I wouldn't hesitate putting a Carli system on again.
I wanted to stay out of this conversation but I recently had Coilovers installed on my 2015 F250. The huge difference they have made on the ride quality. I am currently running an 8 inch lift and after the Coilover conversion it rides better than stock and I am amazed on how smooth it is. I think the right Coil-over set up and when it’s properly tuned to your desired need one can benefit more from coil-overs. This video had scared me from purchasing Coil-overs, however, I had to test them out for myself and I strongly disagree with a lot of the things he points out. I hardly feel any small bumps. When it comes to huge bumps they are extremely soft and my back thanks me for it! Rides better than my 1500 Silverado!
Looks fantastic and obviously functions way better. Quick note to the owner, consider replacing the diff. covers. Those drastically reduce proper lubrication flow to your gears. Banks Power did a good series of the subject. Just thought I'd share.
PML has been making diff covers that are profiled properly long before Banks decided to film an infomercial. Notice that Banks didn't "test" a PML cover? Don't buy into the Banks hype of trying to reinvent something that PML has been producing for YEARS!!
@@Rhinopkc thanks, I appreciate the perspective...and I agree, they have been making covers for a long time. Long before BANKS's video, I personally (just my opinion of course), struggled with the concept of lubricant in the housing hitting a flat wall. Did not make sense to me to not allow the fluids to follow the ring gear up. I'm not an engineer, or any king of lubrication expert, maybe I should keep my opinions to myself. Thanks for the constructive remarks and not taking the common route of just calling me an idiot.
Dam....!!!!!! It looks so much better. And obviously rides better. Amazing work gentlemen. Can’t wait tell I get my Dodge so I can take a drive an have y’all install my suspension. I live in AZ
The 2013 is probably the perfect truck, you get the nice interior, but the good suspension design. After going from a 4 link truck to a radius arm truck, i kinda regret it. Its better for a mild truck, but the 4 link trucks are better for a wild one.
Always excited to see your new videos when they come out. That 2020 Ram with the 38s is unbelievable! And that color combo is to die for! Keep up the great work!
smorariu I have the 7.3L motor. I had the backcountry level kit. Upper stabilizer, new radius arms. On 37” Nitto tires. No lift in the rear. The truck sits level. I may put the rear spring pack a lil later. If you go to CJC’s instagram you will see it. It’s a black Tremor.
One question, as we all know King 3.0 are on the upper shelf quality, with that I was wondering how often you need to service them, as this is probably a daily basis truck.
I got a 2015 Ford F-250 super duty with a king Coilover and king shocks in the back, I want to change they for your guys system. What the cost on the 2.5 system?
You can price out a system for your truck here: www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-2005-2016-Ford-Systems-s/64.htm and please let us know if you have any questions!
That is a much much better suspension, but I definitely would have kept the original rims and tires they look much better than the second set although I do like the Toyo RT tire that little bitty Rim is just not near as good-looking as the twenties that were on there
Yes since the Carli shocks are actually tuned. The other thing to consider is that those kind of travel numbers aren’t possible from a coil over on these trucks unless there’s a lot of custom fab work involved.
Man, that suspension was doomed from the start. What were they thinking? 600lb. single spring rate and those mile long shock ends eating up usable travel. Where are the dual rate springs? Literally no reason to run coilovers in this application with single rate springs. The effective spring rate probably should have been less than half of the single 600lb. they had in there. With proper dual rate springs and the rate nut adjusted for transition, it would not have rode like a dump truck and been able to utilize a lot more travel. 🤦 The old suspension could have been "fixed", but those old arms were low quality and the front shocks needed to be swapped anyway. So you're basically starting from scratch. I agree that THIS coilover system was junk, but a proper dual rate coilover setup will work great. However, not everyone wants to spend days in the desert testing springs and valving. Nice job providing an actual working suspension for this customer.
So was the problem with the fox shocks tuning? I’m looking to upgrade my suspension on my Silverado and seeing how the fox shocks were makes me a little nervous because those are the shocks I want.
They just aren’t tuned for the truck. Most big brands just buy a shock off the shelf from Fox that’s the right length for the lift. That shock comes with a very basic “truck” tune from Fox that gets the job done, but can never compare to a custom tuned coil and shock system.
He might need a matching spare if he plans to leave the mall parking lot at some point. =P. Looks good though and you guys got him squared away on a wheel and tire package that can actually go off road. Can't wait to bring my Power Wagon in for some Thuren love.
It was purely a wheel/tire size issue. The more wheel and the less tire you have, the worse the ride. The wide wheels also don’t help ride or steering feel.
That guy had no idea what he was getting himself into with that first lift kit. If he would've taken some time to do some research and asked some questions while noting his end game, he could've saved himself a ton of cash. Oh and he can ditch that OEM spare tire. If he runs it with a flat on the rear axle for any real length of time, he's going to be looking at replacing some diff parts also. At least the MAG HYTEC cover gasket will save him around $10 in gasket costs. lol Johnny joints wear out a bit slower than urethane bushings with the higher density urethane however they still wear out but being rebuildable as are lower density urethane bushings. One isn't so much "better" over the other and lifespan is determined by road conditions, miles driven and of course if the long arm joints are exposed to deicing agents such as the dreaded salt states love to spread like it's free. How are the driveshaft pinion angles addressed in these +6" lifts over OEM geometry so the U-joint is rotating at a uniform speed while either 2WD or 4WD is engaged so the consumer isn't having to drop the shafts at an increased interval? A spacer lengthens the short front shaft but does nothing to address the increased angles at the yokes. What about the rear with the short wheelbase trucks running one piece shafts as opposed to two piece shafts with carrier bearings? Not a single lift manufacturer has ever commented on this topic.
It’s because of the limitations of the rear suspension design. Carli is about ride quality and strength, not a given lift height, and doing a 6” lift for the rear coil sprung trucks doesn’t meet their strength and ride quality requirements. They could completely re-engineer the back end, but it would be a pretty cost prohibitive set up.
CJC Off Road speaking of the rear coil spring (2500’s), could you do a video of a 2500 with a 3” pintop or backcountry showing the limits of towing heavy loads. Maybe using timbrens or cradled air bags for the guys who want more then just a leveling kit which are pretty amazing themselves.????
We’re working on exactly that! If towing is an issue, Carli has the pintop level that keeps full towing capacity, or you can run Timbrens like you said.
The AEV kits are in a very different category from the performance of the Carli and Thuren systems. The AEV system is primarily drop brackets for the factory parts with 5100 IFP shocks.
Great videos, I was snooping on carli’s website today and in the 2019+ 3500’s they have a dominator system showing as “coming soon” any idea on what that may be? I will be in the market for a suspension on my 2019 mega 3500 come next spring. And would love to install a dominator system.
The issue with the 14+ Rams is the coil sprung rear suspension. Once you lift over an inch at the rear, you’re sacrificing strength and ride quality for looks. We offer 3.25 in front lift, 1” rear for those trucks, but nothing over that.
Because it depends on the exact set up on the truck. This truck on a 6" dominator system has 12" of front travel, and 12.5" of rear travel, which is a 60% increase over factory.
I've got a 2013 Ram 2500 , bought in March of 2013, suspension replaced in May of 2013 with the Carli/Bilstein system (front and rear springs). Never an issue, replaced the shocks with carli Bilsteins when needed and it now has the Carli Fox shocks on it. Seven years and 275K miles later, I wouldn't hesitate putting a Carli system on again.
I wanted to stay out of this conversation but I recently had Coilovers installed on my 2015 F250. The huge difference they have made on the ride quality. I am currently running an 8 inch lift and after the Coilover conversion it rides better than stock and I am amazed on how smooth it is. I think the right Coil-over set up and when it’s properly tuned to your desired need one can benefit more from coil-overs. This video had scared me from purchasing Coil-overs, however, I had to test them out for myself and I strongly disagree with a lot of the things he points out. I hardly feel any small bumps. When it comes to huge bumps they are extremely soft and my back thanks me for it! Rides better than my 1500 Silverado!
Looks, and performs, so much better now! Definitely a big improvement over the bro dozer set-up.
For 3500s do you recommend airbags that work best with your suspension incase you tow a 5th wheel but love going off-road
You guys are putting out QUALITY videos plenty quick. They’re just addicting.
Thanks for watching them! We appreciate the support.
My F350, 7.3L with solid axles and leaf springs all around.
You can't get any softer than that, what a ride.
Looks fantastic and obviously functions way better. Quick note to the owner, consider replacing the diff. covers. Those drastically reduce proper lubrication flow to your gears. Banks Power did a good series of the subject. Just thought I'd share.
PML has been making diff covers that are profiled properly long before Banks decided to film an infomercial. Notice that Banks didn't "test" a PML cover? Don't buy into the Banks hype of trying to reinvent something that PML has been producing for YEARS!!
@@Rhinopkc thanks, I appreciate the perspective...and I agree, they have been making covers for a long time. Long before BANKS's video, I personally (just my opinion of course), struggled with the concept of lubricant in the housing hitting a flat wall. Did not make sense to me to not allow the fluids to follow the ring gear up. I'm not an engineer, or any king of lubrication expert, maybe I should keep my opinions to myself. Thanks for the constructive remarks and not taking the common route of just calling me an idiot.
I’ve learned over the years… there’s no such thing as a final dream truck. But we always tell ourselves that haha
Ain't that the truth haha
gotta love the flat dif cover... BANKS!!!
There is also another brand who has had internally rounded diff covers that existed before Banks made theirs!
Looks MUCH better. Bet the steering is vastly improved without those tires sticking way out. Clean and Buttoned down end result. 👍
Dam....!!!!!! It looks so much better. And obviously rides better. Amazing work gentlemen. Can’t wait tell I get my Dodge so I can take a drive an have y’all install my suspension. I live in AZ
The 2013 is probably the perfect truck, you get the nice interior, but the good suspension design. After going from a 4 link truck to a radius arm truck, i kinda regret it. Its better for a mild truck, but the 4 link trucks are better for a wild one.
Always excited to see your new videos when they come out. That 2020 Ram with the 38s is unbelievable! And that color combo is to die for! Keep up the great work!
My tremor goes to CJC at the end of this month. I am so looking forward to it.
MrMike4073 what are you getting done? I have a Tremor with the 6.7. I really hate the ride and the uneven look.
smorariu I have the 7.3L motor. I had the backcountry level kit. Upper stabilizer, new radius arms. On 37” Nitto tires. No lift in the rear. The truck sits level. I may put the rear spring pack a lil later. If you go to CJC’s instagram you will see it. It’s a black Tremor.
MrMike4073 Love it?
Andrew Hensley Yes I love it. It rides way better then stock.
One question, as we all know King 3.0 are on the upper shelf quality, with that I was wondering how often you need to service them, as this is probably a daily basis truck.
I had over 70k on my last set of 3.5 King fronts and 3.0" rears before I upgraded. No issues.
Us 1500ers would love some more suspension kits from Carli. Do you know if they will be offering any new kit for us? Thanks keep those vids comin.
When it’s out, well have a video!
There is 2 kits available…spend the $
Well what do you recommend for a 2000 chevy K3500 that is stock height? Carli does not make anything for my truck.
We have a mix of parts we use on those trucks. Give us a call and we can get you set up!
Strong work CJC!!
I got a 2015 Ford F-250 super duty with a king Coilover and king shocks in the back, I want to change they for your guys system. What the cost on the 2.5 system?
You can price out a system for your truck here: www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-2005-2016-Ford-Systems-s/64.htm and please let us know if you have any questions!
That is a much much better suspension, but I definitely would have kept the original rims and tires they look much better than the second set although I do like the Toyo RT tire that little bitty Rim is just not near as good-looking as the twenties that were on there
@CJC Off Road If the customer originally went with a 2.5 12-14” travel dual spring coil over and long arms, would the carli kit still ride better?
Yes since the Carli shocks are actually tuned. The other thing to consider is that those kind of travel numbers aren’t possible from a coil over on these trucks unless there’s a lot of custom fab work involved.
Nicely explained. Well done👍
How would it ride with the old wheel and tires with the carli?
Better but not as nice! More sidewall makes a huge difference for small bump compliance.
Man, that suspension was doomed from the start. What were they thinking? 600lb. single spring rate and those mile long shock ends eating up usable travel. Where are the dual rate springs? Literally no reason to run coilovers in this application with single rate springs. The effective spring rate probably should have been less than half of the single 600lb. they had in there. With proper dual rate springs and the rate nut adjusted for transition, it would not have rode like a dump truck and been able to utilize a lot more travel. 🤦
The old suspension could have been "fixed", but those old arms were low quality and the front shocks needed to be swapped anyway. So you're basically starting from scratch. I agree that THIS coilover system was junk, but a proper dual rate coilover setup will work great. However, not everyone wants to spend days in the desert testing springs and valving.
Nice job providing an actual working suspension for this customer.
Nice truck but where’s the re-gear for the taller tires.
K30 driver: hold my leaf springs
What size lift did this truck have on and what size did you put on? Thanks
We covered that in the video, but it went from an 8” to a 6” lift.
How would the ride be with the old wheel/tire setup with the new suspension?
You have got to love it when true professionals deliver what the customer wanted in the first place… lesson learned after some serious 💰🚽
So was the problem with the fox shocks tuning? I’m looking to upgrade my suspension on my Silverado and seeing how the fox shocks were makes me a little nervous because those are the shocks I want.
They just aren’t tuned for the truck. Most big brands just buy a shock off the shelf from Fox that’s the right length for the lift. That shock comes with a very basic “truck” tune from Fox that gets the job done, but can never compare to a custom tuned coil and shock system.
CJC Off Road so how would I come getting a custom tune?
He might need a matching spare if he plans to leave the mall parking lot at some point. =P. Looks good though and you guys got him squared away on a wheel and tire package that can actually go off road. Can't wait to bring my Power Wagon in for some Thuren love.
Look, I came for the info I stayed to see if they mention that FUCKING DOPE ASS GRILL.
My only complaint is remove the Spare tire 😂😂😂 other than that amazing
Are open country’s a worse ride than the r/t? Or was it just rim size ?
It was purely a wheel/tire size issue. The more wheel and the less tire you have, the worse the ride. The wide wheels also don’t help ride or steering feel.
Really nice set-up! Now, put original grill back on and paint match them bumpers!
Why?
That guy had no idea what he was getting himself into with that first lift kit. If he would've taken some time to do some research and asked some questions while noting his end game, he could've saved himself a ton of cash. Oh and he can ditch that OEM spare tire. If he runs it with a flat on the rear axle for any real length of time, he's going to be looking at replacing some diff parts also. At least the MAG HYTEC cover gasket will save him around $10 in gasket costs. lol
Johnny joints wear out a bit slower than urethane bushings with the higher density urethane however they still wear out but being rebuildable as are lower density urethane bushings. One isn't so much "better" over the other and lifespan is determined by road conditions, miles driven and of course if the long arm joints are exposed to deicing agents such as the dreaded salt states love to spread like it's free.
How are the driveshaft pinion angles addressed in these +6" lifts over OEM geometry so the U-joint is rotating at a uniform speed while either 2WD or 4WD is engaged so the consumer isn't having to drop the shafts at an increased interval? A spacer lengthens the short front shaft but does nothing to address the increased angles at the yokes. What about the rear with the short wheelbase trucks running one piece shafts as opposed to two piece shafts with carrier bearings? Not a single lift manufacturer has ever commented on this topic.
The Ultimate Leveling Kit - Carli Suspension Ram 1500 4x4 Performance 2.5 System
Do you guys offer custom tuned shocks for the 2nd gen gas ram trucks?
Carli and Thuren both have a full product line for the 94-02 4x4 HD Ram trucks!
CJC Off Road awesome thank you!
Do you have a certified install shop in Salt Lake city.
I have a 2012 Cummins and like your suspension, where are you located ?
Los Angeles, Ca!
Cool video. Very informative. Keep up this good shit.
Why does Carli not make a 6in for 2014+ years?
Rick GonzalezLuciano right!! Man I wish mine was a slightly taller
It’s because of the limitations of the rear suspension design. Carli is about ride quality and strength, not a given lift height, and doing a 6” lift for the rear coil sprung trucks doesn’t meet their strength and ride quality requirements. They could completely re-engineer the back end, but it would be a pretty cost prohibitive set up.
CJC Off Road speaking of the rear coil spring (2500’s), could you do a video of a 2500 with a 3” pintop or backcountry showing the limits of towing heavy loads. Maybe using timbrens or cradled air bags for the guys who want more then just a leveling kit which are pretty amazing themselves.????
We’re working on exactly that! If towing is an issue, Carli has the pintop level that keeps full towing capacity, or you can run Timbrens like you said.
I like the old setup. The new one obviously rides better old one looks better imo.
What do you guys think about The AEV Lift kits Are they any good ?
The AEV kits are in a very different category from the performance of the Carli and Thuren systems. The AEV system is primarily drop brackets for the factory parts with 5100 IFP shocks.
What a beautiful truck.....
When will you have a Gladiator suspension system?
Richard Morris Check out Offroad Evolution they’ve got a few really good systems for the Gladiator.
What year is that ram?
2013
What yall opinion on the AEV lift kit?
That kit is basically a pile of drop brackets for the factory parts with some junk shocks haha.
Damn got the most expensive Carli suspension system but not carli bags that’s gotta rob some ride quality with those old bags
Bags are for towing not ride quality
Great videos, I was snooping on carli’s website today and in the 2019+ 3500’s they have a dominator system showing as “coming soon” any idea on what that may be? I will be in the market for a suspension on my 2019 mega 3500 come next spring. And would love to install a dominator system.
Dominator ETA is some time this summer. It’s getting very close!
CJC Off Road if they need a test truck in the PNW I’m open to working a deal.
I want a 4-6” lift on my 2019 Ram 2500.
The issue with the 14+ Rams is the coil sprung rear suspension. Once you lift over an inch at the rear, you’re sacrificing strength and ride quality for looks. We offer 3.25 in front lift, 1” rear for those trucks, but nothing over that.
I sure would like to see more 2nd gen dually builds hopefully one day I can take my 2nd gen and have yall build it for me
Shut up bout duallys
g500s, bumpers, 40s, cutting and some lights, done!
Take my truck off-roading after installing a pintop. 2019 f350 long bed
We’d love to!
Why do you guys always say “more” suspension travel but never state how much travel ??
Because it depends on the exact set up on the truck. This truck on a 6" dominator system has 12" of front travel, and 12.5" of rear travel, which is a 60% increase over factory.
Is there a video yall post where you don't plug carli?
As Carli’s primary retailer our job is to educate and cover their products. Nobody sells or installs more of these systems than we do.
What’s the wheel and tire package?
This truck is on a 37/13.5/17 Toyo RT tire with 0/4.75 17x8.5 Method 314 wheels.
More thuren videos
Wow , when that truck came in , it looked horrible! ….. Much Improved afterwards.
Sick
Lmao my rear end also feels like there's no suspension. Unfortunately I can't afford the carli kit😪
The coilover looks hideous
How can anyone complain or compare to your setups. I mean night and day difference
Who disliked this video!?
From clown truck to man truck