Wtf... all this time I thought it was the same guy wearing his glasses sometimes and sometimes not.. mind blown.. but thanks for all the great info like always.
Please consider making a video regarding the merits, and recommended installation of daystar airbag cradles with (firestone, ect.) airbags in conjunction with full progressive leaf spring options. If nothing else, a general air bag informational video covering available options/applications would be very helpful.
Just want to give a big shout to they guys Austin and Cody with helping me out getting my order setup and scheduling an installation date for a much needed upgrade to the H TRAIN ram 2500
Very informative guys, you’re definitely a valuable resource to the HD truck suspension community. Have you thought about doing any comparison videos on short arm brands? And separately on tire pressure across the various sizes and brands for wear and ride quality?
Very helpful information guys and I appreciate the honest opinions. I feel the same exact way as you guys do about Ford and Dodge. I test drove both spent a lot of time with both of them and I ended up buying the ram for several small reasons but the Ford definitely has more hauling ass power not necessarily towing power.
I have a 94 RWD IFS ram 2500 CTD and was really surprised when it developed death wobble. Would hit a bump at highway speed and it would throw the front end into a feedback loop jostling the parts through their free range of slop. Steering wheel violently jiggling back and forth. Absolutely no way to get it to stop other than to slow down to a crawl. Very unsafe, no meaningful control of the steering in this feedback loop. After the first time, it started happening very regularly. My mechanic swapped lower ball joints and which essentially stopped it. Just wanted to throw in my story because a lot of people have narrow explanations of death wobble that don't include the full range of cases. From what I can tell, it's just a feedback loop in the free range of motion of the front end slop, there are various causes and solutions, and it's certainly not as straightforward as some folks make it out to be.
The steering in my 14 Cummins 2500 has these weird kinda unstable jump or skips when cornering and hit small obstacles. Hoping the the new suspension I’m getting after will correct that business.
Great video guys! I'm running a 2in BDS leveling kit with a Readylift adjustable trac bar with zero issues. I still would like to go with the Carli 2 1/2 coils but I have the 6.2 gas and I can't see how the coils would work with gas or diesel on the 2017 Super Duty. Just feeling skeptical I guess.
We recommend .05 degrees of toe, and 3-4 degrees of caster. These trucks will typically follow the crown of the road though, which leads them to the right. Does it still pull on a flat area of road?
Thanks for another great video but now I want a new track bar. I have an 05 2500 with 172,000 km on original track bar an a 6” lift with real death wobble. 💀
2014 ram 2500 6.7. bought the thuren sway bar and my rough country steering box brace doesnt fit any longer. i can not find anywhere wha brace to use with the thuren sway bar
i just purchased a starter kit for 2010 and i would like to run 37's on stock 17x8 rims for now. What clearance issues will I run into? Do you guys know of any vendors in the Alabama , Tennesse area that you recommend?
Hello and thanks for the videos! I have a 2019 F250 Diesel - I want my F250 to be like your 2018 F250 when it grows up - 😁 But I like getting 18-20 mpg's (Stock) and when you said 15ish with 37's 😣🥴 Would a tuner, like the SCT help - power back and fuel improvements or does the pedal commander really work - do you have either on your F250 or something else? I measured the height of my tire 30.5 and running a 37 probably 36 height, is 4 to 5 inch difference, so I saw your video about not regearing and it made sense, but is this where you lost your fuel mileage? Hope for some good advice 👍 Sorry your brother likes dodge lol
I’ve got a 2020 F350 Platinum FX4. I recently traded in a 2017 F350 and had a set of the airlift bags. I want to put the same bags on my be F350 ( by the way also have Carli leveling kit with add a pack to rear) but it states that it will not fit a 2020 F350 with FX4 kit. What’s the major difference besides the height from factory, which is same because of leveling kit? Thanks guys!
What rides smoother on a 14+ Ram 2500 Cali basic level kit with the fox shocks and front springs along with the carli softer rear springs vs the Thuren level kit with softer front and rear springs and shocks. I was thinking using the carli basic level kit and adding the 1/2" drop rear thuren springs. Then again keeping it all one brand probably would be best. Just the goal is not really lifting or leveling, more about getting the smoothest ride possible with reduced load capacity not being an issue.
The smoothest ride is going to come from a full 3” system, meaning lift coils on all four corners. With Carli or Thuren, the lift is necessary to get more suspension travel, and thus a smoother ride.
Thanks for the quick reply , That might be a problem fitting it in the garage if it were 3"s taller. It is close now on stock suspension wearing 34" tires. Of the level kits or minimal lift options which is the smoothest riding Thruen or Carli or a mix of both?
We usually just recommend doing a nice shock package to help with sway since a lot of that is from the poor factory shocks! www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/suspension-systems-23
This is what you need! www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/dodge-steering-upgrades-and-components/products/synergy-manufacturing-1994-1999-dodge-ram-2500-3500-heavy-duty-steering-kit
I had a 17 ram mega cab 3500 and took off my BDS leveling kit with BDS track bar and Fox shocks and fox steering stabilizer and now I purchased 2020 ram mega cab 3500 can I fit my kit but buy your coils 2.5 and use my shocks and everything else?
You can re-use the track bar and steering stabilizer, but you'll want the Carli shocks with the Carli coils so the length and tuning match. It's also worth saying that the Carli track bar is a MUCH higher quality bar than BDS, so you may want to upgrade that too at some point!
@@TimGtmf There is an updated DATB-1419 part number. If it is that one it will fit on the 19+ trucks. If it was from a couple years ago it will not clear without some bracket modification on a 19+ truck.
The front suspension on the GM trucks is extremely limiting in terms of ride and travel, so you basically have to start over if you really want big gains in performance. It's possible, but far outside most owner's budgets. With the solid axle Ram and Ford trucks you can make huge gains for way less money!
Buddy Pacheco You can go drive a brand new truck 50k miles in a year, and if the parts prematurely wear, then yes, you can get death wobble on a new truck. But off the lot, no you should be fine
If we answered all of the several hundred questions we get each time the videos would be 10 hours long! Just comment here or shoot us a message on social media and we’re happy to answer!
You need a 2.5-3” level, a track bar, and Thuren or Carli high clearance control arms. To fit 37s on a Ram you also need a 8.5-9” wide wheel with +18 to +25 offset.
The first thing to check is going to be the bushings to make sure they aren’t blown. Next check the adjustment point to make sure it is locked down properly.
just purchased a starter kit for 2010 dodge 2500 cummins and i would like to run 37's on stock 17x8 rims for now. What clearance issues will I run into? Do you guys know of any vendors in the Alabama , Tennesse area that you recommend?
With the factory wheels you will have heavy rub on the control arms when turning, and need to do trimming of the fender liner and fender. To fit 37s on a Ram you need a 8.5-9” wide wheel with +18 to +25 offset. The factory wheels are too tucked in and cause arm rub. We recommend a set of the Carli high clearance control arms to clear 37s on any of the older control arm Ram trucks.
Wtf... all this time I thought it was the same guy wearing his glasses sometimes and sometimes not.. mind blown.. but thanks for all the great info like always.
Hah same here
Me too lol
Cody and Cole...Brothers?...I just don't see the resemblance....
Props to you guys for being honest about 'running the parts you have and not wanting to ram parts down our throats'.
Please consider making a video regarding the merits, and recommended installation of daystar airbag cradles with (firestone, ect.) airbags in conjunction with full progressive leaf spring options. If nothing else, a general air bag informational video covering available options/applications would be very helpful.
This type of video is on the list!
Everything I have seen from these guys are super helpful and answers the things I want to upgrade or have concerns about. Thanks Cole and cody
Just want to give a big shout to they guys Austin and Cody with helping me out getting my order setup and scheduling an installation date for a much needed upgrade to the H TRAIN ram 2500
Thanks for the support!!
Love these discussion videos, super informative! Thank you.
Great video. Alot of good information. 2 THUMBS UP!!
Very informative guys, you’re definitely a valuable resource to the HD truck suspension community. Have you thought about doing any comparison videos on short arm brands? And separately on tire pressure across the various sizes and brands for wear and ride quality?
Actually, both those videos are on our to do list! Expect them in the next few weeks!
Great video! Really looking forward to watching your 2020 RAM build.
Great video. Alot of good information. 2 THUMBS UP
Good stuff! Keep em coming!!! I've got 2 2nd gen 3/4 tons. A half ton and a 4th gen 6.7 dually.
Very helpful information guys and I appreciate the honest opinions. I feel the same exact way as you guys do about Ford and Dodge. I test drove both spent a lot of time with both of them and I ended up buying the ram for several small reasons but the Ford definitely has more hauling ass power not necessarily towing power.
you guys are killing it-putting out great content !
I have a 94 RWD IFS ram 2500 CTD and was really surprised when it developed death wobble. Would hit a bump at highway speed and it would throw the front end into a feedback loop jostling the parts through their free range of slop. Steering wheel violently jiggling back and forth. Absolutely no way to get it to stop other than to slow down to a crawl. Very unsafe, no meaningful control of the steering in this feedback loop. After the first time, it started happening very regularly. My mechanic swapped lower ball joints and which essentially stopped it. Just wanted to throw in my story because a lot of people have narrow explanations of death wobble that don't include the full range of cases. From what I can tell, it's just a feedback loop in the free range of motion of the front end slop, there are various causes and solutions, and it's certainly not as straightforward as some folks make it out to be.
Good to know! I agree on the feedback loop. Once that rapid motion starts bouncing back and forth it is game over.
Great Q&A.
I have a 2004 Ford f250 longbed with a truck vault and 35 what would you guys recommend for a better ride 2.5
The steering in my 14 Cummins 2500 has these weird kinda unstable jump or skips when cornering and hit small obstacles. Hoping the the new suspension I’m getting after will correct that business.
Awesome video, I’ll be emailing you about my death wobble though haha
Have y'all ever used the AEV 3" coil buckets in combination with Carli or Thuren springs?
Does Chevrolet still make trucks?
Can you guys do a video of the carli airbags on a 17 3500 with the factory rear air assist. Have you done any of these ?
Great video guys! I'm running a 2in BDS leveling kit with a Readylift adjustable trac bar with zero issues. I still would like to go with the Carli 2 1/2 coils but I have the 6.2 gas and I can't see how the coils would work with gas or diesel on the 2017 Super Duty. Just feeling skeptical I guess.
They have prototype 2.5” coils for gas Superduty trucks currently. Hopefully we will see them in production soon!
Which do you recommend for ram 2500 for suspension upgrade. Carlie or Theron
❤ should I put my power wagon alignment into the thuren specs. Do you recommend this? Pulling to the right.
We recommend .05 degrees of toe, and 3-4 degrees of caster. These trucks will typically follow the crown of the road though, which leads them to the right. Does it still pull on a flat area of road?
I get 14.5 mpg’s In my 4.2 liter V6 1999 F150 so 15 mpg in at Ram 2500 sound great.
If you drive nice on the highway the new Rams you can pull high teens or 20mpg!
Hey Cody! Off topic, but what brand and type off glasses are those? And also thanks for the helpful info on solid axel "issues"!
Calvin Klein hahaha
Thanks for another great video but now I want a new track bar. I have an 05 2500 with 172,000 km on original track bar an a 6” lift with real death wobble. 💀
Definitely sounds like it’s time!
do you guys have suspension options for ram rebel 19+?
2014 ram 2500 6.7. bought the thuren sway bar and my rough country steering box brace doesnt fit any longer. i can not find anywhere wha brace to use with the thuren sway bar
Will the Thuren kits work with either the Carli or Synergy radius drop brakets?
You need a guest appearance 😉😉😉😉👋👋👋👋
i just purchased a starter kit for 2010 and i would like to run 37's on stock 17x8 rims for now. What clearance issues will I run into? Do you guys know of any vendors in the Alabama , Tennesse area that you recommend?
Hello and thanks for the videos! I have a 2019 F250 Diesel - I want my F250 to be like your 2018 F250 when it grows up - 😁
But I like getting 18-20 mpg's (Stock) and when you said 15ish with 37's 😣🥴
Would a tuner, like the SCT help - power back and fuel improvements or does the pedal commander really work - do you have either on your F250 or something else?
I measured the height of my tire 30.5 and running a 37 probably 36 height, is 4 to 5 inch difference, so I saw your video about not regearing and it made sense, but is this where you lost your fuel mileage? Hope for some good advice 👍
Sorry your brother likes dodge lol
I’ve got a 2020 F350 Platinum FX4. I recently traded in a 2017 F350 and had a set of the airlift bags. I want to put the same bags on my be F350 ( by the way also have Carli leveling kit with add a pack to rear) but it states that it will not fit a 2020 F350 with FX4 kit. What’s the major difference besides the height from factory, which is same because of leveling kit? Thanks guys!
Who knew Ralphy had a twin ????
My 13 Ram 2500 Mega needs a steering gear box. Do you have any suggestions for an after market replacement. The OEM steering gear box is $1300.
Thanks
What are your thoughts on moog steering linkage? Is that the brand you didn’t want to name?
We actually filmed a video about steering upgrades! Moog didn’t make the list for a reason: ua-cam.com/video/UByv0DlwTJE/v-deo.html
Other than the Ford Diesels not being able to start and run properly they are great trucks.
Love the video, thanks. I have 2nd gen and changing to T style steering that had heim joints. What are your thoughts?
Honestly we've been very happy with the Synergy HD steering set up!
Why doesn’t the ram 3500 leveling kit come with add a packs or full progressive springs like the Ford?
They offer that in the 3.25” height systems. Same thing, but slight changes due to the platform.
What rides smoother on a 14+ Ram 2500 Cali basic level kit with the fox shocks and front springs along with the carli softer rear springs vs the Thuren level kit with softer front and rear springs and shocks.
I was thinking using the carli basic level kit and adding the 1/2" drop rear thuren springs. Then again keeping it all one brand probably would be best. Just the goal is not really lifting or leveling, more about getting the smoothest ride possible with reduced load capacity not being an issue.
The smoothest ride is going to come from a full 3” system, meaning lift coils on all four corners. With Carli or Thuren, the lift is necessary to get more suspension travel, and thus a smoother ride.
Thanks for the quick reply ,
That might be a problem fitting it in the garage if it were 3"s taller.
It is close now on stock suspension wearing 34" tires.
Of the level kits or minimal lift options which is the smoothest riding Thruen or Carli or a mix of both?
Everyone wants to know, whats the offset, rims, tires, and lift combo? Joking...!! ;)
I have a second gen RAM 1500 and I'm looking to rebuild it's suspension. Where can I go to find reliable information to fix parts?
Moog is going to be your best bet.
Do you guys do anything for 2018 toyota tundra
It’s not Ford vs Ram it’s Ram then Ford vs ChevyGMC for the scraps
Can you mix a hellwig sway bar with a Carli suspension 2’ lift pintop 2014 Ram Sport 1500.thanks
You can, but the hellwig will limit articulation and travel!
@@CJCOffRoad ok so what can us 1500ers guys do ? Love what all you guys do. Thanks
We usually just recommend doing a nice shock package to help with sway since a lot of that is from the poor factory shocks!
www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/suspension-systems-23
What steering upgrade can I get for Dodge Ram 1997 2500 with v10
This is what you need! www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/dodge-steering-upgrades-and-components/products/synergy-manufacturing-1994-1999-dodge-ram-2500-3500-heavy-duty-steering-kit
Do you have a level kit for the 2019 ram 2500 4x4 gas And does leveling your truck effect towing I tow a travel trailer at 7600 GVWR
We do and it doesn’t at all! Level keeps factory towing specs.
Are you two twins or brothers?
Brothers!
I had a 17 ram mega cab 3500 and took off my BDS leveling kit with BDS track bar and Fox shocks and fox steering stabilizer and now I purchased 2020 ram mega cab 3500 can I fit my kit but buy your coils 2.5 and use my shocks and everything else?
You can re-use the track bar and steering stabilizer, but you'll want the Carli shocks with the Carli coils so the length and tuning match. It's also worth saying that the Carli track bar is a MUCH higher quality bar than BDS, so you may want to upgrade that too at some point!
@@CJCOffRoad Track bar from 17 truck fits to 2020 truck? Local shop here told me otherwise. Just making sure..
@@TimGtmf There is an updated DATB-1419 part number. If it is that one it will fit on the 19+ trucks. If it was from a couple years ago it will not clear without some bracket modification on a 19+ truck.
I’m a ford guy but why no Chevy or GMC
The front suspension on the GM trucks is extremely limiting in terms of ride and travel, so you basically have to start over if you really want big gains in performance. It's possible, but far outside most owner's budgets. With the solid axle Ram and Ford trucks you can make huge gains for way less money!
does death wobble happen with both 3/4 ton and 1 ton?....coil front end and leaf spring front? thanx
It can happen on anything! It’s essentially just a scary name for worn out parts that cause vibration haha.
@@CJCOffRoad so its not happening on new or fairly new trucks??
Buddy Pacheco You can go drive a brand new truck 50k miles in a year, and if the parts prematurely wear, then yes, you can get death wobble on a new truck. But off the lot, no you should be fine
Aks anything? Why don't you answer questions? I have asked several.
If we answered all of the several hundred questions we get each time the videos would be 10 hours long! Just comment here or shoot us a message on social media and we’re happy to answer!
2006 ram 5.9 2500 what do I need minimum lift kit to run 37in continental mpt 80/81?
I want a truck not a goofy looking monstrosity.
You need a 2.5-3” level, a track bar, and Thuren or Carli high clearance control arms. To fit 37s on a Ram you also need a 8.5-9” wide wheel with +18 to +25 offset.
Any advice for the second gen Ram’s?
In what regard? Cole and I have both owned a handful of second gens! In fact my first Cummins was a red sport 2001that I wish I never sold.
CJC Off Road will a full leaf in the rear and thuren 3” coils up front even the truck out?
That would be a great set up! You’ll also need supporting parts like longer shocks and a front track bar.
Have a BD diesel track bar, anyone else have popping clunking with it? Its been torqued properly
The first thing to check is going to be the bushings to make sure they aren’t blown. Next check the adjustment point to make sure it is locked down properly.
@@CJCOffRoad thank you, ill make sure the nuts are tightened. A blown bushing will show cracks i assume?
It will show movement. Have someone jump in the truck, turn it on and wiggle the wheel. At the track bar mounts you should see little to no movement.
@@CJCOffRoad thank you
Funny...I thought they were the same person.
One smart brother (ford driver) and one not so much.
What he said (aws Dws) but the opposite.... :)
@@drewjames8594 common man get your own thing. No need to be a parrot
Fords suck
I think it’s father and son.
just purchased a starter kit for 2010 dodge 2500 cummins and i would like to run 37's on stock 17x8 rims for now. What clearance issues will I run into? Do you guys know of any vendors in the Alabama , Tennesse area that you recommend?
With the factory wheels you will have heavy rub on the control arms when turning, and need to do trimming of the fender liner and fender. To fit 37s on a Ram you need a 8.5-9” wide wheel with +18 to +25 offset. The factory wheels are too tucked in and cause arm rub. We recommend a set of the Carli high clearance control arms to clear 37s on any of the older control arm Ram trucks.