Knife lock tests. Spyderco Manix 2, Benchmade Adira, Remette Falcon, Reate Alvin Lee, Microtech MSI
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Finally, the consistent objective test for the lock strength is here. In this video I subject 5 super popular knives to the constant force drop test to see which will hold and which unlock.
#edc #knife #test #mythbusters
Disclaimer: this video is for entertainment purposes only. Repeating any actions shown in this video may lead to personal injury and damage to your property. Please do not replicate.
Please let me know what you think about this little project! Should it be a standard test on my channel?
Correction: 7:06 - stated velocity 21 mph incorrectly, the correct velocity is 3.8 mph
It's definitely a very interesting test. Yes, I would like it to be a standard test on your channel.
I'm from Italy, it's only few days that I'm subscribed on this channel and I have a lot to videos to see. Very nice channel indeed. Thank you!.
Yes. Standard test !
Ciao, mi amigo! I love Italy, spent 7 months there in 1989-90, lived in Allumieri near Cevitavecchia and thought that I spoke a little Italian, but turned out it was Allumierascu 😂 dialect 🤣
Great to have you on the channel!
Absolutely. If not a standard test on every review, then a periodic episode where you test 4 to 6 knives. I vote the latter.
Make it standard.
would love to see this with more lock types! shark lock, compression lock, and triad lock to name a few!
Those are all very strong locking designs, really no need to test them more than they already have been
@@MB-jg4trthe old demko/cold steel tests were obviously great for showing off how good the tri-ad locks were but also really highlighted how good Spyderco’s compression lock is!
Spyderco 7:31
Remette: 8:52
Reate 12:40
Benchmade 14:58
Microtech 18:48
Thanks for that!
Love to see the test between the adira mini and the manix 2 lw salt. I own the manix 2 salt and I love that knife ( not the yellow color 😅)
Criminally underrated channel!
Thanks for your encouragement! It’s only been 15 months since I started, so to me 7500 subs seems like a lot! But I agree: 75K would be even better!
People discount a spine whack test. However, I've rocked a knife back and forth to get it out of material it's stuck in. I'm guessing it would put pressure on the spine of the knife. I enjoy these tests, if i want a slip joint I'll buy one. A locking knife should stay locked.
People that act like it’s meaningless are in denial. These knife companies are starting to charge 100s and 100s for these knives, they better lock.
People that say it doesn’t matter really expose themselves as some suckers.
Very well done testing, consistent energy transfer and just an overall well setup simple lock testing rig showing resistance to failure in shock loads. No one else is testing the knives they are just promoting them. Keep doing good work, your going to blow up on youtube. As soon as you drop that one video that goes viral and it will happen.. your gonna pass 100k real quick and you deserve it! Putting the knives thru their paces and not just cutting a piece of paper and flicking it and saying it's a great knife. Keep on doing what your doing, don't sell out and you will get big on here!
The reviewers you speaking off usually follow a script that requires as little time spent on an individual video as possible. Plus there are startup channels that copy them in hopes of getting affiliate deals themselves. What we should do as a community, is call BladeHQ, DLT Trading, Remette, Vosteed, CIVIVI, Artisan etc. and demand discount equal to the commission they pay to you know who.
@@CuttingBoardRx good idea. It is pretty obvious who the big marketing U tubers are. I still catch parts of some of their videos, well, the more personable ones.
Probably my favorite knife channel here by far. You test logically and call out the BS when it's clear
And you like harbor freight! My man! Definitely love this channel! I'm a master auto/diesel tech and appreciate harbor freight
Yo bro just wanted to give u a heads up that u got some loyal fans out here… really appreciate the work, time, and effort u put in to educate people about things they probably would’ve never known had they had not came across your channel, u do some really neat stuff… keep up the awesome work!
@@Daboulty95 thank you! This means a lot!
I appreciate what you are doing with your testing. You're correct in that most channels do not do this. I would guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that most people aren't willing to sacrifice their knives because they/we pay a lot of money for them. I now typically only watch you and Pete from Cedric and Ada. He does a lot of edge retention testing. I learn so much from both of you, and it's so much better than the shills who sit there doing their unboxing and taking two minutes to show the pretty box and the paperwork inside of it. Then they talk about how great the knife is while flicking it as many ways as possible for the duration of the videos. I find those videos insufferable. Thank you for the education and entertainment.
I watch Neeves Knives precisely because he’s not the greatest salesman and not as scripted as Metal_Complex. Plus I like where he’s headed as a knife designer. I watch MC because he’s literally shows every single knife that’s out there! He’s like a hard working ant 🐜 perpetually bringing 2 new blades a day to the collective! He’s like Borg in Star Trek: “resistance is futile you will be assimilated”
Tests like this should be standard on all locking folders.
They will be on my channel!
@@CuttingBoardRx identifying quality goes a long way with your viewers. Subscribed.
@jarrettporst4799 welcome to the tribe!
Please do another version of this video with a wide selection of popular locks and knives. Spyderco Compression lock, Chris Reeve, Benchmade axis locks, Shark lock, and some liner lock and various crossbar style locks for good measure. Lookup the old bladehq lock test vids, something along that style would be great.
I think you designed a very good rig for testing knife locks. I'm not an engineer but this method allows testing in a controlled manner. Slight variations due to knife size, design are relatively minor when testing. This is the best testing apparatus I have seen so far. Good Work !
I like this test even for the entertainment value. I got into knives during the old Cold Steel days of weight hangs and spine wacks and they do offer more information to the buyer so then the buyer is more educated and therefore knows what they are getting.
I find it interesting as a new viewer of yours, that the knife community is not without drama like other hobbies. I notice some hate from another person who I don’t follow but I feel like there is enough space for everyone and you are adding positively to the community.
There must be a clear distinction between infomercial reviews by those who make a living from selling a product and those who review a product to inform the public about its safety and functionality.
Great video. I'd love to see more models tested.
Love your content, and I think your engineering background puts you well ahead of most other channels when it comes to testing. I'm not trying to take away anything from other knife channels, some of which I love and support (e.g., Jerad Neeves's channel). I'd love to see this test become part of your standard review of knives, even if it's just a snippet of a few seconds (you can refer back to this video if anyone wants the background on how you developed the test). Thanks for your work!
Really appreciate your support for the channel! I will definitely include this test in my future reviews! I like where Jared is heading and also support his channel through use of links (that’s where the Remette and Reate came from) and I purchased the T. Kell Neeves Karambit. He’s really smart on how he sets the design parameters first and then ensures meticulous execution. Don’t know how else to put this: Petersen keeps trying to come up with a “Bugout killer” and Neeves is trying to come up with a great Neeves Knife.
It’s nice to see Spyderco and Benchmade hold up to this test.
Yes! Considering neither one is a “budget” knife
I'm so tired of the usual knife content, with 'reviewers' reading specs, mixing edge retention and toughness, claiming how super-tough 1095 is and how strong the new ram lock must be, because hey - it's massive and uses coil spring... Thanks for an enjoyable and valuable refreshment!
They have about 1 Million subscribers. I need your help spreading the word: share this video on social media to let the community know
Forgot to add - congratulations on your engagement!!!
That was 3+ years in the making. Thank You!
This is an awesome test. Hope to see more knives knives in this testing series. Fantastic work 👏
It will be a standard test going forward
This is the type of knife nerd shit I love
Welcome home! 😁
Wow. You never fail to impress! Nice instruments resulting in a fair controlled testing process 👌
Great test. It provides consistent, repeatable strikes on each lock mechanism, at a modest force level most likely to occur in real world conditions. Many other lock tests I have seen use force levels far greater than the normal range of use.
I’m not Joe-X even though I watch him with pleasure! Trying to be fair, repeatable and balanced…
I wish I'd found your channel sooner, would have saved me $120 on the Kershaw Bel-Air. The spine on that thing pops out by looking at it funny, and the blade has flex in it. 😒
That said, thank you again for your Livewire reviews, that one stays in my pocket at all times!
The best knife chanel on the UA-cam. Thanks
Thanks!
I’m glad you tested Remette
Their Peacock is a tough little SOG
Their premium knives have some of the best action for such a relatively small company
Their WD107 is complete butter, and is an excellent edc
Most people praise us so much for our quality that we are always taking comments, upgrading and optimizing our products to make them even better!
Thank you for your support and have a nice life!
@@remetterhino I wonder what your team would think about turning one of the Ti overlays into a locking feature? And I do understand that this knife is more of an art item, which I appreciate, but how crazy would the collectors go about a decorative feature having a practical purpose? So much more elegant than Reate T1000/6000 models or even Ruike flippers and their safety features…
Hey, thanks for commenting! And for giving an opportunity to Remette team to communicate with my viewers.
@@CuttingBoardRx We are constantly checking the community reviews to learn from the best suggestions and optimize our products, thank you for your interest!
Manix 2 salt does have bronze washers.
Re: Spyderco. IMO you should have verified washers prior to making a statement. Goes to your credibility.
Your channel is one of the best, because of your objectivity and engineering approach. You improved the locking mechanism test to make it more scientific. As much as I enjoy the "tree of doom" test (raw and visually satisfying), the same idea of making it more reproducible and scientific could be applied to it. Thanks for an honest evaluation each time.
Thank you for the compliments! Did you really think the Tree of Doom test is going away just because I can build test fixtures? 👻
@@CuttingBoardRx I hope not!
I’ve been curious how the Manix 2 Salt would hold up since the first corrosion test video. I definitely would like to see that.
In about 10 days…
Great tests. Thank you.
Thank you for watching and sharing the video with all your knife buddies!
Man you really went far out there this time. I always prefer to see spine whacking. So please continue to spine whack All folders. And thank you again!!
I’m trying to figure out if this fixture represents the hand grip well enough to test the liner and frame locks, which rely on a firm grip to stay engaged. Otherwise it would be a waste of my viewers time 👍
I just took my Microtech Stitch and Amphibian Ram-Loks and wacked the spine hard against my wood bed frame. They did not fail. I have the G10 variants with 2 T20 heads on both sides of the pivot if that matters. I'll also be buying the new MSI orange polymer relatively soon and seeing if that fails. To me, it looks like Microtech did a shadow update and didn't say anything.
The one in the video doesn't seam to lock up the same as mine. I believe microtech made some changes.
Your channel is amazing and unique. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
I have that same press for my leather stamping and punching lol. It’s the best you can get for the price. I remember within the last few years a channel that tested folding knives locks pulling on them using a lbs scale to measure the amount needed to fail them. That was great.
Completely different test. That was Benchmade testing iconic knives like Griptilian and Osborne 940 on a 2 ton hydraulic press. Lab scales? Lol. 😂 Unfortunately the industry stopped showing anything that makes their lawyers and liability insurance providers unhappy.
This is a dynamic test here because it illuminates static lock-up. I’m not testing strength of the lock, rather it’s ability to stay engage through the impulse input event. And the impulse of 13.6 lbf•s is quite very low. Benchmade was trying to impress the world with how strong the Axis lock is, while I’m trying to show how easily poorly designed locks can disengage under even a lite stress.
Very well done friend please keep this up nothing worse then a sketchy lock thank you for the awesome content 💯🔥💯🔥
Thanks, will do!
I think these types of tests are very valid and informative, locks are a very touchy subject because it’s an open secret that many many popular knives on the market have suprisingly weak locks. Fanboys spend a lot of money on their favorite brands so they get defensive and combative when their favorite brands are put to the test and fail. They’ve spent a lot of money and feel the need to justify their purchases. The purpose of a lock on a knife should be to LOCK the knife, period.
Would love to see a review on the benchmade undercurrent ❤
Coming soon: Benchmade Intersect - the smaller Water fixed blade. Please make sure to set up notifications for my channel
You've been hittin' it out of the park lately (that's how Americans say somebody does well, don't they?). Quickly becoming to knife safety what outdoor55 is to sharpening (imo). Anyway, I just bought my first more expensive pocketknife (as I'm more of a fixed blade guy, really): An Endela in K 390. And the Spyderco backlock is 100% trustworthy...right?...Right?!
Yes, it’s an American baseball expression used when a puck hits a football field at a 150 yard mark 🤣 (gonna lose some subs over this joke)
Baseball is cerebral and athletic, kinda like knife hobby.
K390 is awesome steel, you'll love it. I have the police4 k390 and it's a beast. Seki city back locks are fairly strong.
@@MB-jg4tr Thanks, appreciate it! Yeah, I can't stop cutting with it. The steel just wants to bite into everything. But I really need to slow down soon or there will be no intact things left in my apartment😬!
Thanks for the vid! Backlocks in the mix would be cool to see. Maybe next time.
Thank you for the video!🫡 I personally own two knives from that test(Manix2 and Microtech)I’ve heard that the heat treatment on MSI was also not ideal (58hrc) What a disappointment!
Nice! Thanks for another generous gift! Microtech does stay in the lower end of the ht, likely the result of making so many OTFs that require toughness over edge retention (not actually a wrong approach for that genre).
I see! Thank you for clarifying that! I enjoy watching your channel because you have so much knowledge about knives and steel properties. Do you happen to be a metallurgist or some kind of engineer…???
@@igorchernetsky239 I’m a mechanical engineer and formerly a machinist. Got my lathe certification in L’viv in 1984…
This was an incredibly well conducted series of tests , out of curiosity did any of the locks (whether they failed or not) acquire any noticeable “blade play” following the test ? Obviously the important part is the safety and blade play isn’t a factor in that but it’s an extra bit of data that can be collected. Just curious.
You are right! I should have mentioned this in the video! All locks functioned without any noticeable difference after the tests
Love the new testing videos! Hopefull more to come.
My Remette falcon ceramic detent ball fell out with regular opening and closing the first day I got it. I didn't really cut anything substantial with it, just paper. To their credit, they gave me a full refund without having to return it. I did have to ask for them to cover return shipping as they initially asked me to send it back from Singapore, after which they replied that I didn't need to send it back.
Here’s the math: my channel has 7600 subscribers. Metal_Complex and NeevesKnives have almost 1 million subscribers, although 300K of them likely to overlap. Bottom line: these will sell out even if Remette makes the detents out of snowballs. Help my channel grow by sharing links please especially on the above mentioned channels and your social media. Also, send me some pictures if you can, the email is in the channel description.
Great setup. Is this the MSI that you fixed in a previous video?
Innovative testing method that is repeatable, nice job.
I'd be curious if you're going to create a google doc or something to populate your data.
Thanks for the time and effort, I look forward to further testing.
I consider any folder to be medium duty at best. I carry a nice watchman W204D for a fixed edc for heavy duty. And a few other nice larger knives for the “survivor” part. Today’s folders are pretty robust in actual use but still due diligence pays off.
Just FYI: From the angle it looks like Manix 2 LW Salt actually has bronze washers on the blade.
Well done on on these tests. I think this is very important and will definitely take this into consideration before buying a knife. Is the MSI still from 2023 or one of the "fixed" ones?
@@deonpetrus it’s from November 2023
Good test👍my colleague said that manix 2 has weak locking system😂Please test compresion lock from SPYDERCO, like paramilitary or shaman
In the works!
Great content 👌
@@KALZONE850 Thanks for being a subscriber!
I have a FRN MSI ram lock. Mine doesn't unlock with spine whacks. I used the side of a paddle strop to whack it hard, a half dozen times in two to three seconds.
Neither does mine because they have fixed the issue on the new models. That is a good thing about about these videos is we probably wouldn't have gotten the fixt ones without him calling attention to it.
Great video ! Thanks for your time and effort
I love your Frankenstain. I also would love if you can test some other locks tyes
What app are you using to record. Is that your watch controlling the start and stop?
Yep. All Apple Watches have the capability to control your other Apple devices, which is what I’m using. Saves a ton of time, which is a tight commodity.
Subbed. Looking forward to more of this kind of content.
Welcome to the tribe! I just did some corrosion testing involving MagnaCut blades, you might be interested in. Videos are in the torture tests playlist
@@CuttingBoardRx I'll have to check those out next, they look right up my alley. UA-cam recommending me Joe X and now this channel in the same month has been such a treat.
Curious when the MSI was purchased, because it appears that Microtech has improved the Ram Lock since early releases. I don't have an MSI, but my Stitch and Amphibian both pass reasonable hard spine whacks (not doing your baseball swing 🤣).
Dates on my RamLoc knives are:
MSI #1 08/23
Stitch 10/23
Amph. 10/23
MSI #2. 11/23
All have failed, the MSI #1 and Stitch have been fixed by me.
I have never done a baseball swing. The piece of wood I’ve been using is a pine plywood bar that came from an IKEA 3-legged stool which I shortened to use as a planter base. It weighs 3.2 Oz or 66.5 g
Thank you for your work on this! Have you tried this test on the msi that you filed and fixed? How about the one loaned to you with the iterative stop pin fixes?
I did not try this test on the MSI I fixed, I don’t have that knife anymore. I appreciate your contribution! I will include the Stitch I fixed.
@@CuttingBoardRx awesome thanks for the update. And I just happened to fall into possession of a stitch that’s not having the issue to the extent I’ve tested (10/23 birthday) so I’d be super eager to see your test!
I was going to get an MSI, not anymore!!! Great info on your videos!
Supposedly they quietly fixed it.
ua-cam.com/video/5dOUtVQBVTI/v-deo.htmlsi=gPtVBdLVQkFXt3j1
Read through the comments though, it’s not all clear. I’d give it another few months.
Ram-Lok, my ass. woof! saved my ass some money. Glad im subscribed. ❤
Well, that's definitely the right place where Microtech can ram their lock.
Yep same here. And their ridiculous prices to boot
Great work. Keep it coming
Great test. Thank you.
Good work, keep it up
Thank you, I will
Nice! Keep them coming!
The Manix ru s on washers FYI
The Manix Two salt has brass washers; the blade doesn’t ride on plastic. The ball cage is not titanium, it is plastic. Never make assumptions…
Nor you
It’s a shame about the remette falcon. It looks beautiful though.
Very good looking knife.
i actually liked the way you hit the knvies with a pice of wood makes it look way funnier and patetic for the brand
Haha I'm excited for this one! 😂🍻
Hope you like it!
Do you think the angle of the blade could be another factor? It looks like because of the way the are being held some are pointing a bit higher than others
It impacts the velocity of the falling bar at the point of impact. If the blade sits 1 inch higher, the velocity will be reduced by 17% from 5.56 ft/s to 4.46 ft/s. I compensate by holding the bar higher by the same distance
It's hard to be sure, but it seems like the spyderco handle is allowed to flex up, which will have absorbed a lot of impulse. If you made the test a regular feature, the handle needs to be held down.
Good point. I will make sure that the next time I test, the back of the handle stays in place.
👍 I meant say - love the channel - keep up the good work!
@sam9415 constructive criticism is one of the 3 horses in the chariot of human evolution, and the other two being greed and sloth, by far my favorite!
Commenting before ive finished the video
I really hope the microtech MSI performs well, because i wanted to buy an amphibian to replace my old Zero Tolerance 0303
As some people have already stated. The newer ramlocks wwre redesigned amd will not fail. I have a stitch which will pass a spine wack test.
Yeah keep telling yourself that brother 🤣🤣
@@21_Cabbage_ I mean I will because I've done it, 🤣. Do yourself a favor and watch Micro tech MSI and Stitch review and testing the ram lok from Stassa23. About 4 months ago. I own a newer stitch. Not an MSI. The newer MSIs have the same newer ramlok.
I did a video on that and there were varying comments. Link:
ua-cam.com/video/5dOUtVQBVTI/v-deo.htmlsi=46209CpEk1M_rr5h
Disappointed in the remette. Defcon jk series has a similar button/liner locking system. Did a couple of spine whacks on it and it stay locked up.
I think you need time stamps and a summary of the testing.
Absolutely but… I need extra 6 hours in a day and a website similar to KnifeSteelNerds… but stay tuned, the seed has been planted!
Is there any way you can perform the salt test on the paramilitary 2 salt?
Manix and Delica Salt are coming up soon.
I thought you concluded the msi will stay locked in a previous video claiming it had been a fixed problem? I bought a msi after that video.. was that a current msi model from 2024? And should I have concern to test my own knife?
It is possible that you are referring to the video where I fixed my first MSI which was dated 8/23, it has a stone washed blade. The one in this video is dated 11/23 and has a two-tone blade.
I also posted a video about the fix that was quietly implemented by MT around February of this year, however, if you read some of the comments, folks are reporting inconsistent results.
I don’t encourage anyone to repeat any of my tests and demonstrations because they are not safe and may lead to a serious injury.
@@CuttingBoardRx yes I thought it was a great video and realize this is a different knife. I gave mine dated 04/2024 some spine wacks after work and it held
The only fault I see here is the human arm isn’t a solid vice , therefore it gives , I wondering if that give in your would change these tests
You rock bruh!!!!
Microtech should have recalled -- and still should recall -- its pre-redesign Ram-Lok knives. If ever there was a case for a class action suit against a knife manufacturer, this is it.
I think threatening Marfiones with a law suit will only make them less humble and more obnoxious because then they will be able to claim being a victim. Nor do we want a gag order on this because that would lead to less transparency. Public humiliation is a good reminder to the industry that not all influencers are for sale. Those promoting the knife deserve their share of crow pie as well.
Marfione could be sued out of business and he would still be as arrogant as he is today. Like CBR a gag order would not be good for the community and a 5 dollar check from a class action won't benefit no one but the law group that accepts the case. Like CBR said public humiliation is the best way to create some humbleness.
@@EDCandLace I think design like this should cause the American Knife Makers Guild to start investigation into company’s design practices and safety policies. This is a blemish on our entire industry.
Of course gag orders only apply to litigants, not the public, including public reviewers such as CBRx. But I do get the point about the better way to deal with Marfione arrogance.
Subjective .
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
I don't see his personal feelings, tastes, or opinions are making the knife lock fail from the spine whack test, learn definitions
Thanks, that’s what I’m shooting for!
@@CuttingBoardRx I still don't understand how they thought the spine whack test is subjective, it's literally failing right in front of them, that's pretty objective, but you know how it is, of you put anything on the Internet there will be some obviously person talking crap, keep up the good work, with your new test apparatus they cannot claim is "subjective" any longer
@@DABinCHRIST Thank you! That’s my exact position!
I would have think the ram lock sturdier than others. So, this knife is expensive, low end steel (S35VN at this price, come on), has a fat stock and narrow bevels so it won’t cut well, and in addition, the lock is shit. I think the hype is a little too much on this knife !
Is this the same MSI that you modified the ram lok ir bone stock? It sort of invalidates the test if thats the case.
Nope. Here’s the link to that video. You should be able to spot the difference right away.
ua-cam.com/video/pHrNp9YJt7U/v-deo.html
I think the whole spine whack thing is exaggerated in importance. Its important for lock geometry to be designed and implemented properly but a knife could fail a spine whack and still be a good overall knife.
This is called a lock because it supposed to stay locked.
I disagree that a knife with a failed lock can be an overall good knife. The locking system is the most important part for me
A slipjoint can be a good knife. At least you would be aware that it can close under adverse conditions.
Failed lock can result in bodily injury. Most important feature of any locking knife. Period. Oh, cheers
Not when the knife costs a third of your paycheck.
I more worried about how it cuts, not banging the back of spine….
There are videos for that, too
there’s also some times when you drop a knife and it unlocks. so any torture test demo is good
You, as a single person, don't represent the entire market for locking folders.
@@R1NR4N don’t remember asking you
@@Stucknthe80z You posted an opinion in a place of public discussion. No need to be bristly.
Yes, please test the Manix Salt to the Benchmade