Very cool video. Obviously it's just bench racing, but I would have figured the EV would have a quicker 1/4 and 1 mile time based on the linear torque curve and lack of losses due to shifting gears.
Depends where the EV hits 800hp. He could've added more low end torque and keep 800bhp throughout the rpm range. Means, adjusting the torque in the files so that it stays constantly at 800bhp, pop in the power figure and rpms in the formula and it will spit out the necessary torque figure at each rpm level. We don't know how he modified the files, but it doesn't seem like it's developing that much torque to have such a high power level in the lower rpm range.
The only thing I edited in the files is the fuel tank capacity. The EV is much heavier and the gas car needed over 200 liters more fuel to bring it to the same weight.
@@ndc5544p Its putting down about 3800 ft-lbs to the wheels, which is plenty, at least from what I can tell, given that a Tesla Model S Plaid puts down only about 980 or so on a hub dyno, and I don't know what gear ratio the Model S' gear reducer uses.
In drag racing, N/A would be slowest, supercharged will get the vehicle off the line faster, but the turbocharger, given enough time will catch up with the supercharger
@wtf-hc3tp there is unfortunately a lot of variables that could make or break who wins. If they all had the same hp and the same rpm, it's likely that the turbo would fall behind initially, and maybe if the engine size was reduced enough it would overtake the others because of the weight difference. Even a supercharger can have a delay, so off the line the N/A should pull ahead, before being overtaken by the supercharger which both might have less weight and better response than the turbo. You know what? I'm going to experiment tomorrow to find out in beam. I'm pretty sure my judgement is correct, so that's my bet. So off the line it's the N/A, then the supercharger, then the turbo, and then the supercharger overtakes and the turbo might be able to catch up, might not.
@@-aid4084 Look on this same channel, “semi drag race supercharger vs turbocharger” the semi with the supercharger pulls away initially but then is overtaken by the semi with the supercharger
The gears on the SBR4 helped a lot for its sprint time. But I thought the eSBR should have a little quicker acceleration? The final drive ratio seems to have changed seeing it going over 200 mph
Idk why but I got way faster times that this guy. Like my EV times were faster by like 1-2 seconds. even faster than the gas car. Like did this guy change something or am I just using the wrong car.
@@JuppeDthe guy changed tha final drive ratio of both cars. The gas one has shorter diffs, ehile the EV has longer ones, compared to vanilla. If I'm not mistaken, the SBR4's shortest final drive is 3.92:1, while on the eSBR is is about 5:1. Although on my tests, the gas SBR needs about 600 hp and vanilla gearing for it to be as fast as a vanilla eSBR 800 on track. But I didn't test acceleration times. Vanilla eSBR 800 tops out at about 250 km/h, while the SBR4 goes over 300
Seems like the ICE advantage is the clutch dump at the beginning. I wonder if an EV had a clutch and flywheel weight to it you could do a similar takeoff
Well, a combustion engine has significantly less torque at lower rpm, so it sorta needs gears to achieve the same output. Why do you think EV's don't get gears, cus they don't need it
@@-aid4084передачи для двигателей внутреннего сгорания нужны, в том числе, для снижения оборотов, уменьшения нагрузки на сцепление, оптимальной передачи крутящего момента и чтобы двигатель не глох. электромобилю несколько передач тоже бы не помешали, для увеличения крутящего момента на малой скорости и увеличения максимальной скорости, если автомобиль предназначен для быстрой езды.
@@-aid4084ещё, двигатель внутреннего сгорания, в сочетании с коробкой передач, может давать больше крутящего момента. Коробка передач позволяет увеличивать крутящий момент и скорость для любого двигателя.
@@-aid4084ещё, при той же мощности, двигатель внутреннего сгорания, может выдавать больший крутящий момент из-за неравномерного графика, когда как у высокооборотистого электродвигателя мощность идёт от больших оборотов. График мощности электродвигателя так же не идеален, особенно, если на него идёт большая силовая нагрузка с большим проскальзыванием, как я понимаю (трёхфазный электродвигатель)
decided to test it myself because I was a bit suspicious and I got completely different results, the electric car ran a 9.4 quarter mile and the gas ran a 9.7. If you don't mind me asking did you modify the gas car?
Notice how the electric can maintain only about 630 hp over longer time while the petrol powered one maintains about 800 hp. This gives the petrol powered one a clear advantage in the top speed test. As for standing mile, the ev has a higher average power in that case and thus it wins. Basically the final gear on the petrol one is too long in that test. On the shorter tests the petrol one has higher average power thanks to the gears. Basically if you adjusted the final drives/gear ratios optimallly for each test for of both of them, they'd be even more closely matched. Also I wonder if the behaviour of the EV engine is accurate in this case. It has very non linear torque curve and to my understanding normally electric engines have pretty linear torque curves. However with electric it's possible to have a non linear curve of course by limiting power so I dunno.
i think the physics of boomng is slightly outdated for ev's as ev's are clearly capable of pulling hard on acceleration and on the top end, and at the low end with far higher rpm being at their disposal. the plaid also has a much larger rpm range, up to 23k rpm while the range in here is only 15k. even in the old p100d, that went to 18k rpm. and the standard model 3 motor goes up to 20k rpm. that makes a huge difference as just increasing the rpm by that much alone means you can effectively double its effective wheel torque by using a lower gear, and still hit the same topspeed as before. if the stats were updated with a proper final drive with the same top speed configuration and a modern ev rpm range, the ev would have likely won. ice uses gears to their advantage for improving acceleration and top speed. we gotta see a more realistic comparison with a more standard rpm around 20k with a final drive more designed to help acceleration, while maintaining a similar top speed. idk how much you cant change here but i think you should include the plaid's 23k rpm redline, with appropreiate final drive gearing. like i said, gas has a huge advantage with gears for acceleration and top speed and if you did the same with an electric motor, the floor would be wiped clean by the ev, its just not practice to do so because they're so good without gears. but remove gears on a gasoline engine, and you will see a much better comparison of the powertrain itself, not with the help of gears.
I noticed that you haven't launched the eSBR to its full potential. You need to put it in D, then apply brake & throttle, then release the brake to get a proper launch, it seems to gradually wind the power on otheriwse.
Results : 0-60 gas - 02.461s 0-60 ev - 03.153s - 0-100 gas - 04.774s 0-100 ev - 05.172s - 1/4 gas - 09.639s 1/4 ev - 10.004s - Mile gas - 25.082s Mile ev - 24.628s - Top speed gas - 236 mph Top speed ev - 220 mph Conclusion Gas engine is better
Ok Idk what kinda mods you have done to these cars but I did hit a 09:453 with the SBR4 eSBR 800. Instead of going straight to throttle I held brake like you did with the gas version.
So I can say that this video is kinda unfair. Braking before starting on the gas car but not the EV is unfair because I did 0-60 in 2.1-2.3 seconds and 0-100 in 4.171 seconds. So in this case where the gas car weighs the same as the EV the EV definetly won. This guy just didnt start the same with the EV
the benefit the gas car has that the ev doesnt is higher wheel torque through low gearing at the low end, and higher gearing at the high end for better top end, always giving you more torque. it seems like the ev is straight from the motor to the wheels and it only revs to 15k rpm, which must be stretched all the way to over 220mph. if the motor was similar to that of the most populat ev ever made (a tesla model 3/y), the motor would rev to 20k rpm, and therefore would have much better down low torque applied. and if you added a second gear to the car, it would be much, much faster because you would have a low gear for high acceleration, and a high gear for high top speed. if you want to compare the drivetrains themselves, you should remove the gearbox from the ice, leaving it straight to the wheels with a clutch like the ev. if you want to make it more realistic to real world, increase electric rpm and use a lower gear ratio. but i think you may have been trying to get each to max out at over 200mph and seeing how acceleration would change, but thats slightly unfair because with only 15k rpm to work with and only 1 gear, thats severely handicapping the ev as you cant use a lower gear because you'll run out of revs for top speed.
a way to make this work would be to take something like a superbike engine making 200hp that revs to 16k rpm, giving it a single gear, and comparing it to a 16k rpm 200 hp electric motor. same redline, same number of gears. the difference is with ice, they get more efficient with gears. with ev's, the do get better with gears in some cases, but its not enough to counteract the cost, complexity, and drivetrain losses that they would cause when in 99% of cases, adding a motor fixes those problems while not having the issues adding a transmission would cause. but adding a transmission would make it quicker as long as there is enough traction, and have a much higher top speed and better torque at those higher speeds.
Tesla Model S Plaid weighs 2.2 tons and does 0-100k in 2.1 seconds, with 1033 hp. This car has even better power to weight ratio but is still a whole second away from that time. Something is off.
I mean it isnt the most realistic game/sim in the world. Real life scenario a stock tesla model s p100d with less HP is gonna beat a stock red eye in a quarter mile. But in the end we all know which car would be cooler and more fun to drive
Cool concept but very unrealistic, even some lower end electrics do better, it’s the instant torque that wins every time, launch and acceleration electrics always win, however top speed gasoline cars will always win
the final drive of the electric was too high, ev's take off faster off the line and as evidenced by the plaid, it can still have insane acceleration, as well as incredible top end which isnt shown here. ibet the simulation was run on an older simulation of ev's. if you're talking about a single motor to single motor, maybe this is applicable. but int the real world, the outcome wouldnt be like this.
An EV will always start at zero RPM, but yes, acceleration can be a tiny bit quicker if you floor it before engaging gear as the throttle request takes a moment to reach full power. In english, put the electric one in Gear N, floor it for a 2 seconds and then engage gear D for optimum results.
@@ZoMTDUBut it might not let you. That’s the thing with electric cars, there’s always a computer between you and the motor, which thinks it’s smarter than you
Very cool video. Obviously it's just bench racing, but I would have figured the EV would have a quicker 1/4 and 1 mile time based on the linear torque curve and lack of losses due to shifting gears.
Depends where the EV hits 800hp. He could've added more low end torque and keep 800bhp throughout the rpm range. Means, adjusting the torque in the files so that it stays constantly at 800bhp, pop in the power figure and rpms in the formula and it will spit out the necessary torque figure at each rpm level. We don't know how he modified the files, but it doesn't seem like it's developing that much torque to have such a high power level in the lower rpm range.
The only thing I edited in the files is the fuel tank capacity. The EV is much heavier and the gas car needed over 200 liters more fuel to bring it to the same weight.
@@ndc5544p Its putting down about 3800 ft-lbs to the wheels, which is plenty, at least from what I can tell, given that a Tesla Model S Plaid puts down only about 980 or so on a hub dyno, and I don't know what gear ratio the Model S' gear reducer uses.
Eletric in games don't work good as real life fr man😅
Well also the EV was geared really low, which definitely sacrificed acceleration
would be nice if u left a result image in the end showing all stats in same frame
Yes! I'm sorry to the content creator, but this video is essentially useless without a Results Table.
YES
@@wzpu3283 You could also just write them down if it's that big if an issue
Do 400hp natural aspiration vs 400hp turbo vs 400hp supercharger. This would be interesting. With the pickup truck if possible.
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In drag racing, N/A would be slowest, supercharged will get the vehicle off the line faster, but the turbocharger, given enough time will catch up with the supercharger
@wtf-hc3tp there is unfortunately a lot of variables that could make or break who wins. If they all had the same hp and the same rpm, it's likely that the turbo would fall behind initially, and maybe if the engine size was reduced enough it would overtake the others because of the weight difference. Even a supercharger can have a delay, so off the line the N/A should pull ahead, before being overtaken by the supercharger which both might have less weight and better response than the turbo.
You know what? I'm going to experiment tomorrow to find out in beam. I'm pretty sure my judgement is correct, so that's my bet.
So off the line it's the N/A, then the supercharger, then the turbo, and then the supercharger overtakes and the turbo might be able to catch up, might not.
@@-aid4084 Look on this same channel, “semi drag race supercharger vs turbocharger” the semi with the supercharger pulls away initially but then is overtaken by the semi with the supercharger
Idk if you have Beamng but you could also try it yourself. Its pretty cool!
oh damn, this is something I was planning to do soon, but it seems I've been beaten to the punch, nice work
:) did I get you to watch his latest video?
@@-aid4084 yep
The gears on the SBR4 helped a lot for its sprint time.
But I thought the eSBR should have a little quicker acceleration? The final drive ratio seems to have changed seeing it going over 200 mph
Yup I think BeamNG need to rework acceleration on electric cars
@@RmX.Actually they need to revamp how a battery electric drivetrain works.
Idk why but I got way faster times that this guy. Like my EV times were faster by like 1-2 seconds. even faster than the gas car. Like did this guy change something or am I just using the wrong car.
@@JuppeDthe guy changed tha final drive ratio of both cars. The gas one has shorter diffs, ehile the EV has longer ones, compared to vanilla. If I'm not mistaken, the SBR4's shortest final drive is 3.92:1, while on the eSBR is is about 5:1. Although on my tests, the gas SBR needs about 600 hp and vanilla gearing for it to be as fast as a vanilla eSBR 800 on track. But I didn't test acceleration times. Vanilla eSBR 800 tops out at about 250 km/h, while the SBR4 goes over 300
Seems like the ICE advantage is the clutch dump at the beginning. I wonder if an EV had a clutch and flywheel weight to it you could do a similar takeoff
Well, a combustion engine has significantly less torque at lower rpm, so it sorta needs gears to achieve the same output. Why do you think EV's don't get gears, cus they don't need it
@@-aid4084передачи для двигателей внутреннего сгорания нужны, в том числе, для снижения оборотов, уменьшения нагрузки на сцепление, оптимальной передачи крутящего момента и чтобы двигатель не глох.
электромобилю несколько передач тоже бы не помешали, для увеличения крутящего момента на малой скорости и увеличения максимальной скорости, если автомобиль предназначен для быстрой езды.
@@-aid4084ещё, двигатель внутреннего сгорания, в сочетании с коробкой передач, может давать больше крутящего момента.
Коробка передач позволяет увеличивать крутящий момент и скорость для любого двигателя.
@@-aid4084ещё, при той же мощности, двигатель внутреннего сгорания, может выдавать больший крутящий момент из-за неравномерного графика, когда как у высокооборотистого электродвигателя мощность идёт от больших оборотов.
График мощности электродвигателя так же не идеален, особенно, если на него идёт большая силовая нагрузка с большим проскальзыванием, как я понимаю (трёхфазный электродвигатель)
@@ПавелФёдоров-ь8цДа, что-то в этом роде
You forgot to add an extra 1,000 pounds to the electric car to represent enough battery to actually go anywhere.
"For better acceleration" Dude the EV lost it all
EV have higher trap speed 😂😂
@@jozefjozefczyk3936fr lmao
Great video yet again but I think you should do a summary at the end and decide what's better
decided to test it myself because I was a bit suspicious and I got completely different results, the electric car ran a 9.4 quarter mile and the gas ran a 9.7. If you don't mind me asking did you modify the gas car?
Notice how the electric can maintain only about 630 hp over longer time while the petrol powered one maintains about 800 hp. This gives the petrol powered one a clear advantage in the top speed test. As for standing mile, the ev has a higher average power in that case and thus it wins. Basically the final gear on the petrol one is too long in that test. On the shorter tests the petrol one has higher average power thanks to the gears. Basically if you adjusted the final drives/gear ratios optimallly for each test for of both of them, they'd be even more closely matched.
Also I wonder if the behaviour of the EV engine is accurate in this case. It has very non linear torque curve and to my understanding normally electric engines have pretty linear torque curves. However with electric it's possible to have a non linear curve of course by limiting power so I dunno.
i think the physics of boomng is slightly outdated for ev's as ev's are clearly capable of pulling hard on acceleration and on the top end, and at the low end with far higher rpm being at their disposal.
the plaid also has a much larger rpm range, up to 23k rpm while the range in here is only 15k. even in the old p100d, that went to 18k rpm. and the standard model 3 motor goes up to 20k rpm. that makes a huge difference as just increasing the rpm by that much alone means you can effectively double its effective wheel torque by using a lower gear, and still hit the same topspeed as before. if the stats were updated with a proper final drive with the same top speed configuration and a modern ev rpm range, the ev would have likely won.
ice uses gears to their advantage for improving acceleration and top speed. we gotta see a more realistic comparison with a more standard rpm around 20k with a final drive more designed to help acceleration, while maintaining a similar top speed. idk how much you cant change here but i think you should include the plaid's 23k rpm redline, with appropreiate final drive gearing. like i said, gas has a huge advantage with gears for acceleration and top speed and if you did the same with an electric motor, the floor would be wiped clean by the ev, its just not practice to do so because they're so good without gears. but remove gears on a gasoline engine, and you will see a much better comparison of the powertrain itself, not with the help of gears.
I noticed that you haven't launched the eSBR to its full potential.
You need to put it in D, then apply brake & throttle, then release the brake to get a proper launch, it seems to gradually wind the power on otheriwse.
I held full throttle in neutral then put it in D. I tried your method and got the same results.
Its a good film
Would it make a difference if it's in sport mode
Results :
0-60 gas - 02.461s
0-60 ev - 03.153s
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0-100 gas - 04.774s
0-100 ev - 05.172s
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1/4 gas - 09.639s
1/4 ev - 10.004s
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Mile gas - 25.082s
Mile ev - 24.628s
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Top speed gas - 236 mph
Top speed ev - 220 mph
Conclusion
Gas engine is better
Can’t wait for the SBR to get a remaster
get this man to 100k RN
You can add 500kW of Nitrous with Ultra Heavy Duty Mounts and Block in the engine, and you will get a powerful SBR4.
Kompressor vs turbo? Same power test? 😮
That’s what happenes when you take drive modes out
Shouldn't the Electric variant weigh more than the gas car?
It should but I thought I'd make the competition as close as possible :D
Ok Idk what kinda mods you have done to these cars but I did hit a 09:453 with the SBR4 eSBR 800. Instead of going straight to throttle I held brake like you did with the gas version.
So I can say that this video is kinda unfair. Braking before starting on the gas car but not the EV is unfair because I did 0-60 in 2.1-2.3 seconds and 0-100 in 4.171 seconds.
So in this case where the gas car weighs the same as the EV the EV definetly won. This guy just didnt start the same with the EV
I will say that my timer might be off but Idk.
Poderia fazer um video testando 100hp gasoline vs 100hp eletric, uma potencia de carros populares, acho que ficaria um comparativo muito interessante.
I would like to see how much tire pressure changes affect grip levels
the benefit the gas car has that the ev doesnt is higher wheel torque through low gearing at the low end, and higher gearing at the high end for better top end, always giving you more torque. it seems like the ev is straight from the motor to the wheels and it only revs to 15k rpm, which must be stretched all the way to over 220mph. if the motor was similar to that of the most populat ev ever made (a tesla model 3/y), the motor would rev to 20k rpm, and therefore would have much better down low torque applied. and if you added a second gear to the car, it would be much, much faster because you would have a low gear for high acceleration, and a high gear for high top speed.
if you want to compare the drivetrains themselves, you should remove the gearbox from the ice, leaving it straight to the wheels with a clutch like the ev. if you want to make it more realistic to real world, increase electric rpm and use a lower gear ratio.
but i think you may have been trying to get each to max out at over 200mph and seeing how acceleration would change, but thats slightly unfair because with only 15k rpm to work with and only 1 gear, thats severely handicapping the ev as you cant use a lower gear because you'll run out of revs for top speed.
a way to make this work would be to take something like a superbike engine making 200hp that revs to 16k rpm, giving it a single gear, and comparing it to a 16k rpm 200 hp electric motor. same redline, same number of gears. the difference is with ice, they get more efficient with gears. with ev's, the do get better with gears in some cases, but its not enough to counteract the cost, complexity, and drivetrain losses that they would cause when in 99% of cases, adding a motor fixes those problems while not having the issues adding a transmission would cause. but adding a transmission would make it quicker as long as there is enough traction, and have a much higher top speed and better torque at those higher speeds.
Tesla Model S Plaid weighs 2.2 tons and does 0-100k in 2.1 seconds, with 1033 hp. This car has even better power to weight ratio but is still a whole second away from that time. Something is off.
Beam NG Drive dont like electric cars shocker LOL
In beamNG electric cars (like mods) have engines but the sound is taken out/the engine is also made invisible
Yeah something is very off. It seems very sluggish
I mean it isnt the most realistic game/sim in the world. Real life scenario a stock tesla model s p100d with less HP is gonna beat a stock red eye in a quarter mile.
But in the end we all know which car would be cooler and more fun to drive
The thing with ev is the instant torque
No shit
So... What I'm hearing is... Gas car wins.
its an ev without the instand torque XD
Cool concept but very unrealistic, even some lower end electrics do better, it’s the instant torque that wins every time, launch and acceleration electrics always win, however top speed gasoline cars will always win
Do the one with 800hp diesel
wow
The comments on this a crazy
Hey Forgotten mustard can you do a 19 liter V8 on a semi truck
how to show the time like that?
What about cng?
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I'm your new subscriber
the final drive of the electric was too high, ev's take off faster off the line and as evidenced by the plaid, it can still have insane acceleration, as well as incredible top end which isnt shown here.
ibet the simulation was run on an older simulation of ev's. if you're talking about a single motor to single motor, maybe this is applicable. but int the real world, the outcome wouldnt be like this.
Это странно что тачка с 800 л/с разгоняется всего лишь до 200...
Unfair comparison. The electric one starts at 0 rpm whilst the fuel one was revving like crazy
An EV will always start at zero RPM, but yes, acceleration can be a tiny bit quicker if you floor it before engaging gear as the throttle request takes a moment to reach full power.
In english, put the electric one in Gear N, floor it for a 2 seconds and then engage gear D for optimum results.
@@aresivrc1800I wouldn't suggest doing a neutral drop in any vehicle
@@aresivrc1800/woooosh
@@aresivrc1800 was thinking the same. It might have only 1 or 2 gears but you can still rev an electric car just by putting it in neutral
@@ZoMTDUBut it might not let you. That’s the thing with electric cars, there’s always a computer between you and the motor, which thinks it’s smarter than you
vefore watching it i bet electric gonna win
What is the name of that road map with the posts?
Johnson Valley