Kirk vs. the Computer: Examining One of Classic Trek's Favorite Tropes

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  • @TheDjbz
    @TheDjbz 3 роки тому +340

    One of the most unbelievable parts of trek.
    Real computers don’t need to be fed a logic loop to self destruct they’ll do that for no discernible reason all the time

    • @BioGoji-zm5ph
      @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 роки тому +37

      You mean "printers." Printers will self destruct for no discernable reason all the time. Computers are at least programmed to give you a message telling you why they're self-destructing nowadays.

    • @DeathBYDesign666
      @DeathBYDesign666 3 роки тому +12

      @@WobblesandBean True but in this day and age we think of most computers as disposable and most technology is made that way to begin with. They actually build flaws into our technology so that you have to keep buying more, like how he lightbulb companies would be out of business if they made bulbs that lasted 100 years. The same principal applies here with computers, if they wanted they probably could build one to last practically forever. It's called "controlled obsolescence" I believe.

    • @AnzanHoshinRoshi
      @AnzanHoshinRoshi 3 роки тому +6

      You must be running Windows.

    • @johnwang9914
      @johnwang9914 3 роки тому +16

      @@WobblesandBean Well, I once programmed a network of computers to monitor their own logs, look fir known problems and email out to an administrators mail groups as to which computer needed what component replaced within the next week and the partnumber to order. Five years later, I spoke with former co-workers and they said that since the merger with another company, the only computers that worked well were mine and only because the computers themselves would email them with exactly what needed to be done. A lot of having the system be as autonomous as possible is the effort you put into automating it.
      However the idea of a central computer running everything was from the common belief during the 60's perpetrated by IBM that computers would become so powerful that only four would be needed for the entire world. They never considered that a wireless handheld phone in everyone's pocket would have more computing power than they ever imagined possible and that despite the computers being powerful, programmers would still be unable to understand or replicate intelligence.
      M-5 is interesting in that it is the Daystrom's very own brain engrams that are replicated in the computer and hence was flawed because the man was flawed as well as emotionally unsuitable to command a starship. Now today we still don't understand intelligence but we've been able to simulate the actions of neurons and synapses and have actually simulated portions of the human brain such as the visual cortex with surprising results. A terribly inefficient way of having a digital intelligence. A Japanese supercomputer in 2012 took 40 minutes to simulate 1 second of a visual cortex's function but this means that as computers become more powerful, they will be able to simulate a real human brain in real time neuron by neuron (estimates are that this would be possible by 2029) so we have a path to an artificial intelligence that does not require first understanding intelligence. M-5 is a lot more predictive than most people realize.

    • @fisk0
      @fisk0 3 роки тому +5

      @@BioGoji-zm5ph Well, they used to give you a reason, nowadays they just pop up a message with a big frowny face and a "Oops, something went wrong" without any additional details whatsoever.

  • @keepinmeuppodcast76
    @keepinmeuppodcast76 3 роки тому +88

    "The Return of the Archons" ... The Purge 46 years earlier. lol

    • @michaelbastraw1493
      @michaelbastraw1493 3 роки тому +3

      Not to mention the Butlerian Jihad from the Dune universe. Best. Leo.

    • @mindyp51d
      @mindyp51d 3 роки тому +1

      I was just about to write that, Keepin Me Up Podcast!

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of back when the Purge trailers first showed up.

    • @ghost7524
      @ghost7524 3 роки тому

      You know Keepin Me Up podcast, I wondered the same thing, but I didn't catch it until seeing this video.

  • @briantkiger
    @briantkiger 3 роки тому +130

    Me, screaming at the screen: "What about Norman in 'I, Mudd!'"

    • @acerumble4991
      @acerumble4991 3 роки тому +7

      @@dwc1964 I also was looking for this one, Kirk gets an assist from Mudd and the rest of the crew, but there's no doubt he's the QB of the android melting team.

    • @WilliamPitcher
      @WilliamPitcher 3 роки тому +20

      As well, does a bit of it in 'What are little girls made of?' getting Ruk to turn on Korby.

    • @dagtheger8993
      @dagtheger8993 3 роки тому +4

      @@WilliamPitcher Is that the one he reminds the ancient robot how to rebel against his maker? Kirk hooking up with some mechanical strange?

    • @charlesborden8111
      @charlesborden8111 3 роки тому +6

      And Raina from "Requiem for Methuselah" didn't fare that well either. Though Norman just wound up with a 'headache'.

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 3 роки тому +6

      Didn't Kirk also, in a way, talk V'ger into disappearing itself as well?

  • @Purple_Lilith
    @Purple_Lilith 3 роки тому +197

    If Kirk only had the chance to meet the Borg. One of the greatest threats to the galaxy would be gone.

    • @ArgonTheAware
      @ArgonTheAware 3 роки тому +30

      Unfortunately the Borg are impervious to Kirk's methods because they would only say "Logic is irrelevant" "Principles are irrelevant" "Resistance is futile" it takes inside knowledge of their ships functioning that Picard gained as Locutus to defeat them.

    • @BioGoji-zm5ph
      @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 роки тому +3

      @@ArgonTheAware That's true. Just ask everyone who took part in Wolf 359. Well, ask the survivors, anyway.

    • @chitlitlah
      @chitlitlah 3 роки тому +17

      During this video, I remembered that episode in TNG where they were going to use some paradoxical geometrical construct as a type of virus to disable the Borg. Kirk could have just asked them if 0.9999... equals 1, humanity saved.

    • @heedmywarning2792
      @heedmywarning2792 3 роки тому +30

      All Kirk had to do was make love to the Borg Queen.
      "Please teach me, what is a 'kiss' ? ".

    • @shawarden
      @shawarden 3 роки тому +4

      STD Capt Pike should have called Kirk over from whatever he was doing.

  • @Galenus1234
    @Galenus1234 3 роки тому +65

    14:43: "Commodore Wesley contacts the Enterprise...."
    ... and M-5 is like "Shut up, Wesley!"

  • @CmdrKing
    @CmdrKing 3 роки тому +64

    “Kirk turns to Spock and goes up for a hang five, Spock leaves him hanging and does the eyebrow thing, they smolder, McCoy tells a racist joke about Spock to diffuse the sexual tension... you know, Star Trek!”
    The content I come to this channel for.

    • @striker8961
      @striker8961 2 роки тому +2

      @@maximilliancunningham6091 they make all the difference

    • @Makeyourselfbig
      @Makeyourselfbig 2 роки тому +2

      @@maximilliancunningham6091 Or green blood.

  • @dcsignal5241
    @dcsignal5241 3 роки тому +66

    Now I understand why Kirk didn't mix with the Next Generations crew in the Movie. "Captain Kirk, I'd like to introduce you to Commander Data"

    • @lindasmith6316
      @lindasmith6316 3 роки тому +2

      ;D*

    • @troyschulz2318
      @troyschulz2318 3 роки тому +11

      It's a shock Kirk never caused the Enterprise the accidentally self-destruct by logic bombing the computer.

    • @fastertrackcreative
      @fastertrackcreative 7 місяців тому +1

      I think data is too advanced to be broken by that. Too human.

  • @KarlKlammer
    @KarlKlammer 3 роки тому +126

    Kirk might not have given a class about it at Starfleet Academy, but he did share a similar approach with his crew when dealing with the Androids of "I, Mudd". Which led to some hilarious shenanigans.

    • @KarlKlammer
      @KarlKlammer 3 роки тому +17

      (Damn, I lost the Steve-Shives-Heart by editing a spelling mistake. *cry*)

    • @BioGoji-zm5ph
      @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 роки тому +9

      Watch compilation videos of different Trek scenes out of context, and the scenes from I, Mudd are usually the funniest. Especially when everyone is "shooting" Scotty with their "hand guns."

    • @ashleycollins3266
      @ashleycollins3266 3 роки тому +8

      Not gonna lie, the whole "Everything he says is a lie"/"I am telling a lie right now" bit blew my little nine-year-old mind.

    • @dragonweyr44
      @dragonweyr44 3 роки тому +6

      I forgot I, Mudd but I did get For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky and Spock's Brain

    • @cripplious
      @cripplious 3 роки тому +5

      If computers arent to be trusted and should only serve man, not over man. Does that mean the bigoted first officer on the Sutherland was right in not trusting Data as a leader?

  • @RandallStephens397
    @RandallStephens397 3 роки тому +124

    Alternate hypothesis: Kirk's computer-kill-jutsu as the Socratic Method.
    The computer doesn't have to be a computer. It's a generic stand-in for any figure of authority and the need to question such a figure's [stated] intentions and how their actions align with those goals.
    The takeaway: if the authority's actions conflict with its [stated] intentions, then remove it.
    (unstated assumption: authority is granted based on the desirability of stated intentions)

    • @JosephDavies
      @JosephDavies 3 роки тому +7

      Excellent point.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 3 роки тому +14

      IRONICALLY real-life authority figures also often self-destruct when questioned.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому +5

      @@JosephDavies
      Kirk clobbered Beardy Spock with a logic bomb in the Mirror episode.
      Fortunately Spock didn't kill himself.

    • @kellyweingart3692
      @kellyweingart3692 3 роки тому

      kill-jitsu 😂

    • @TheKitchenerLeslie
      @TheKitchenerLeslie 3 роки тому

      Pretend I'm a Democrat Computer who thinks Communism is the only way to freedom, equity, and equality.

  • @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
    @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 3 роки тому +34

    I think you'll find Kirk... well, William Shatner, anyway - chews on any and all scenery.

  • @texasyojimbo
    @texasyojimbo 3 роки тому +39

    It's slightly off-topic but I also liked the computer-killing (sort of) maneuver in "Wolf in the Fold" when Spock orders the serial killer-possessed computer to calculate pi to the last digit.

    • @bernardoconnor1502
      @bernardoconnor1502 3 роки тому +12

      Or the illogical slapstick fest that shut down the androids in "I, Mudd"

  • @VarianAlastair
    @VarianAlastair 3 роки тому +95

    "With his mouth"
    **pregnant pause**
    "By talking to it. He doesn't, like, bite the computer."
    I adore this channel

    • @thecommenter6773
      @thecommenter6773 3 роки тому +2

      Clearly, Steve hasn't seen the episode Kirk's Jawline where he does exactly that.

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 3 роки тому +3

      I think kirk has a magic tongue that his unexplained powers, why else does he get any women. Ad the computers, are a side effect.

    • @QuintarFarenor
      @QuintarFarenor 3 роки тому +4

      I think there's a reason we don't see the like/dislike ratio ^^'

    • @andrewxc1335
      @andrewxc1335 3 роки тому

      I like this "getting interrupted while explaining things in too much detail, because I'm not explaining it well" trope far too much.

    • @Rognik
      @Rognik 3 роки тому

      I kind of want to see Kirk biting a computer now, like some kind of cartoon caveman.

  • @melenatorr
    @melenatorr 3 роки тому +26

    My own favorite Kirt vs. the computer is in "I, Mudd", which is one of my favorite episodes anyway: I especially love how the effort to take down Norman requires most of the ensemble, up to and including Mudd himself, as played by the irreplaceable Roger C. Carmel.

  • @castironchaos
    @castironchaos 3 роки тому +52

    Kirk pulled the same "talk a computer to death" tactic at the end of the classic "Mirror, Mirror" -- although in this instance, Mirror Spock was the computer. He gave Mirror Spock a logical argument: "You know the Empire is doomed to fail, therefore it is illogical to support it. So rebel against it!" And Mirror Spock said, "Captain Kirk, I will consider it." Trek fandom canon history then shows Mirror Spock became head of the Empire, and started instituting reforms. The Star Trek Wikipedia, Memory Alpha, states: "Unfortunately, Spock's reforms left the Empire unprepared to fight the united Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, who conquered the entire Terran Empire, enslaving the Terrans themselves as well as the Vulcans." All thanks to Kirk.

    • @Reprodestruxion
      @Reprodestruxion 3 роки тому +3

      @@HappiestGnome they made them all pay for private health care >.>

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 3 роки тому +9

    Computer, "You are no match for me!"
    Kirk, "POKE 59458,62"
    Computer, "..."

  • @justsignmeup911
    @justsignmeup911 3 роки тому +18

    On TV Tropes it's called a "Logic Bomb".

  • @stephaniecohu6594
    @stephaniecohu6594 3 роки тому +16

    On the Ultimate Computer you forget to mentioned “Captain Dunsel.”

  • @DaveCM
    @DaveCM 3 роки тому +9

    One thing that always bugged me about Star Trek is the away parties. The senior officers always go. In a real military, that would never ever happen. Never. Especially in a threat situation.

  • @speed24601
    @speed24601 3 роки тому +12

    "Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them promote you. Because while you're on the bridge of that ship.....you can make a difference!"

  • @CousinoMacul
    @CousinoMacul 3 роки тому +25

    My favorite use of the trope was in "I, Mudd" when Kirk and Spock tag-teamed to kill a computer using the liar's paradox.

  • @sbunny8
    @sbunny8 3 роки тому +18

    8:16 "I'm paraphrasing."
    I love it when Steve paraphrases Star Trek. Hilarious.

  • @Mnogojazyk
    @Mnogojazyk 3 роки тому +23

    “We are not supposed to root for the steam drill.”
    I’ve been saying something analogous about bureaucracies and bureaucrats because of rather negative interactions with intransigent ones: They are supposed to be mission support not the mission itself.
    We should incorporate bureaucrats, computers, and other technology to be our assistants (not our slaves) not our masters.

  • @ByrdieFae
    @ByrdieFae 3 роки тому +16

    Considering...history...rooting for John Henry's a little uncomfortable, too. It's like "OK, black people ARE the better pieces of machinery to exploit, cool beans." I just don't know what to do with it, honestly.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 3 роки тому

      I dont think John Henry being black and exploitable had anything to do with the story, Henry is a free man and a laborer not a slave, such laborers were by far not restricted to blacks or minorities. Though minorities in te form of blacks Chinese and Irish did make up a notable portion of the workforce.
      You also misunderstood the lesson, the point wasn't that John Henry, or black men, or man in general are te superior machine. Henry did win, but he died. He's also understood to be a far better than average man, so ultimately he died for no real gain as the machine was still able to work and likely no other man could do as much as he had done.
      It was a melancholy ending and a pyrrhic victory that ushered in the inevitable age of machines.

    • @VitriolicVermillion
      @VitriolicVermillion 3 роки тому

      @@DrewLSsix You can't separate his race from his exploitation in that particular historical context. You can't separate his exploitation from a proper interpretation of the folklore. The problem is more complicated than "replacing a man with a machine takes some nebulous something (sense of purpose) from a man." It's that, ideally, replacing a man with a machine *should* result in not having to do back-breaking labor in order to be allowed to eat, drink, and have shelter. But, instead, because our capitalism functions entirely on exploitation, the man, now out of a job, can't afford to survive, because the profit of replacing his labor with that of a machine is not shared with society, but funneled to the owning class. As a black man, even free, John Henry would have been *most* subject to this outcome, more than laborers of other races. Those our society considers least equal are the first to go, and are not offered jobs in middle management doing nothing productive after the fact, but are left with no support at all.
      John Henry dying in order to win the contest means he was fighting to the very end to be allowed his very survival within capitalism. It wasn't some pursuit of purpose or fulfillment. It was resistance against extermination.

  • @a-blivvy-yus
    @a-blivvy-yus 3 роки тому +16

    "He doesn't... like... bite the computer"
    but you know most Trek fans would enjoy that movie.

    • @BaddeJimme
      @BaddeJimme Рік тому +2

      He certainly chews the scenery a lot.

  • @bjorn00000
    @bjorn00000 3 роки тому +20

    He technically talks an artificial intelligence to death in the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" when he convinces an android Roger Korby to off himself with a phaser. So essentially the guy that wrote Psycho might be the source of that trope!

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 3 роки тому +7

      And in I,Mudd too, although that was a team effort to kill a computer with sheer What-The-F*ckery

    • @bjorn00000
      @bjorn00000 3 роки тому

      @@weldonwin That always seemed weird to me that Norman managed to slip onto a starship and live even for a short time. One look at an old Earth sitcom and he'd explode.

    • @allanolley4874
      @allanolley4874 3 роки тому +5

      What Is Little Girls Made Of has more Kirk vs. the computer when he convinces Ruk to betray Korby by reminding him of the logic that made the original androids of the planet rebel originally (against the Old Ones), this causes Ruk to attack Korby and so Korby destroys Ruk. So Kirk 2 androids zero (well they actually killed some read shirts but they don't count).
      Also, Kirk defeats the android Andrea "with his mouth" by kissing her and it so confuses her that she then kills the android replicant of Kirk who refuses to kiss her and then she tries to confess her love for Korby and that is part of his suicide (so an assist there also).
      Finally an honorable mention in the same episode Kirk tips Spock off to the replicant Kirk by making it utter racist slurs against Spock at the drop of a hat. Perhaps Kirk learned how to do this by reading about the 2016 incident where Microsoft made a chatbot that learned a whole bunch of slurs.
      While Kirk does not quite talk the computer to death the way he does in later episodes, but clearly he was honing his computer cracking skills on those murderous androids.

  • @schreix27
    @schreix27 3 роки тому +7

    “I’m paraphrasing” and “McCoy makes a racist joke to diffuse the sexual tension. You know, Star Trek” both had me rolling. Your writing and delivery have only gotten better over the years.

  • @MyPeanutButtersHairy
    @MyPeanutButtersHairy 3 роки тому +6

    There really is something to the idea of replacing humans with machines or computers though. So many people have lost jobs to various forms of automation. I'd like to believe that should we ever come to the point where all jobs are eliminated due to automation that we will live in a utopia where people only work because they want to and all basic human needs are take care of, but in the world we live in we see a very different thing happen any time people are replaced with machines. They are kicked to the curb, provided unemployment for a short period of time and then have to fend for themselves when it runs out. When will we get to the point where we live in a world we those people are provided for? What point of automation do we need to reach before we realize there isn't enough work left for humans to sustain us all? You better believe that if a company like Amazon could eliminate 99% of their work force that they would do so as quickly as they could. I don't know if we will ever attain automation on the level where we have something like 90% unemployment, but if we do I don't think it will be good for all of us average every day people.

  • @daved6317
    @daved6317 Рік тому +3

    Don't forget how Kirk beat the " No Win scenario"

  • @dragonweyr44
    @dragonweyr44 3 роки тому +33

    You forgot "For the World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" and "Spock's Brain"

    • @RockSoup
      @RockSoup 3 роки тому +3

      BRAIN AND BRAIN, WHAT IS BRAIN?!

    • @miked8064
      @miked8064 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah we all try to forget Spocks Brain.

    • @skidawg22
      @skidawg22 3 роки тому +2

      For The World Is Hollow... did involve the Yonadan Oracle, but Kirk didn't logic-loop it to death (which is what this video is all about). That one involved Kirk and Spock reading the "Book of the People" - basically the Oracle's instructions - and fixing the problem manually.

  • @tristanthompson1980
    @tristanthompson1980 3 роки тому +3

    The secret of the other M's? M1-3 blew up, some sort of sabotage or assembly error. M4 disappears in space and time until season 3

  • @TrentDonelson
    @TrentDonelson 3 роки тому +11

    Kirk also tried his "logic bomb" trick on 'god' in ST-V.
    Didn't work, since 'god' wasn't a computer (unlike those other times), but it was a good attempt!

  • @Orochimaruswife1
    @Orochimaruswife1 3 роки тому +12

    I can’t say I’m into Star Trek (I’m mostly into fantasy) but I love listening to you talk about Star Trek because you clearly love it so much and it’s a joy to listen to.

  • @x1984x
    @x1984x 3 роки тому +6

    "Another computer what needs some killin'!" Hahahaha!!

  • @skypausebgp2615
    @skypausebgp2615 3 роки тому +12

    So happy to see a John Henry reference here!

  • @mikeoyler2983
    @mikeoyler2983 3 роки тому +4

    I remember when I saw the Purge, I thought, "haven't I seen this somewhere?"

  • @JanetDax
    @JanetDax 3 роки тому +8

    New Trek show: "James T. Kirk The Cyber Whisperer"

  • @justsoicanfingcomment5814
    @justsoicanfingcomment5814 Рік тому +2

    Anyone who does not respect the dangers of artificial intelligence, does not deserve recognition for having or possessing intelligence of any great reverence.

  • @gjits5307
    @gjits5307 3 роки тому +6

    The comedy skit "Bill Nye is William Shatner" even includes this trope

  • @clashcitywannabe
    @clashcitywannabe 3 роки тому +2

    There's a similar story in Dr Who in 1978's "The Face Of Evil". The 4th Dr lands on a planet where two conflicting tribes, astronauts and cavemen respectively, are worshipping a super computer. Unfortunately the computer is based on The Dr's own brain, he'd left it there millennia ago to protect a group of human astronauts, half of whom have devolved into cave people. He forgot about it and it's now gone completely insane and he has to destroy it. Good stuff.

  • @kbrock9146
    @kbrock9146 3 роки тому +8

    I adore his "ad-libbed" conversations.
    "Hey. You wanna get a drink? It's not like you don't have the free time, what with the computer taking your job and all." 🤣

  • @AlexKwit
    @AlexKwit 3 роки тому +4

    Aww you missed my fav episode, I , mudd. It’s got the best scene of killing a computer with your mouth, where Spock does it in two lines, and a full snl skit to destroy the main one

  • @johngingras
    @johngingras 3 роки тому +3

    "Pulleys are machines, you hypocrites!" Ahahahahaha!

  • @Kyeto13X
    @Kyeto13X 3 роки тому +4

    What about the Androids on Mudd's planet? No love for that string of logic bombs?

  • @d-zeronut5094
    @d-zeronut5094 3 роки тому +4

    Could you count Mudd and his androids to Kirk's kill count?

  • @dhaucoin
    @dhaucoin 3 роки тому +1

    '..... I'm paraphrasing.'
    Steve, you do rant well. Where do I sign up for classes?

  • @kalebproductions9316
    @kalebproductions9316 2 роки тому +2

    I love that when Kirk says to Spock, "You didn't think I had it in me.", Spock says, "No sir". Kirk is slightly annoyed at the insult.

  • @bestnumberever73
    @bestnumberever73 3 роки тому +5

    I know it's not related in any way canonically, but the phrase "Commodore Wesley" always makes me shudder.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому

      I wonder if the TNG writers ever picked up on that.

  • @kbrock9146
    @kbrock9146 3 роки тому +5

    Assassinating super computers was such a great trope for them, they decided to make the first movie all about that very issue.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому +2

      They didn't assassinate it though.
      They just found it a friend.
      It was a happy ending for Nomad (err Vger).

  • @snigwithasword1284
    @snigwithasword1284 3 роки тому +1

    The Ludites were not opposed to technology, they were opposed to the unequal distribution of the spoils of technology!!

  • @brucemaddox5696
    @brucemaddox5696 3 роки тому +1

    VOY Dreadnought?

  • @TwoWholeWorms
    @TwoWholeWorms 3 роки тому +2

    "Don't worry about those Other Ms" is a philosophy that can be applied in a multitude of media. o.o

  • @Serai3
    @Serai3 Рік тому +1

    I'm surprised you didn't bring up "I, Mudd", one of the best examples.

  • @jimmiegiboney2473
    @jimmiegiboney2473 Рік тому +1

    First Thumb Up! 👍 You're welcome! Thanks for the funny introspective! 🎬✌️🖖🙏😎🤓🤠
    Notes: I'm too tired.

  • @funlightfactory6031
    @funlightfactory6031 Рік тому +1

    Kirk I the master of talking computers to death and talking women out of their panties.

  • @JoeKawano
    @JoeKawano Рік тому +1

    4:04 😅”I don’t know if he ever taught a class on how to verbally assassinate computers… but he should have!”

  • @FourtyParsecs
    @FourtyParsecs 3 роки тому +2

    Apparently, 23rd-century computer science courses never taught about exception handling.

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane 3 роки тому

      Nah. He didn't rely on them getting stuck in a loop or anything like that.He argued that, to perform their primary function, they must shut themselves off--that they were defective and needed to shut down to be fixed.

    • @FourtyParsecs
      @FourtyParsecs 3 роки тому +1

      @@ZipplyZane An internal contradiction should raise an exception and that should be handled with its own routines that are apart from the main programming. Exceptions are just that: something that happens outside of the main purpose of the program.
      If, however, the ultimate outcome of the program was its own self-destruction, it would have happened regardless of whether Kirk was the trigger or not. In other words, if self-destruction was the logical outcome, then it always the logical outcome.

  • @u9vata
    @u9vata Рік тому +1

    This is legit strategy: I asked chatGPT what an AI would do to avoid losing a war against humanity? He said a lot of weird shit like "to avoid losing, he could opt to a no-win scenario of mass destruction of all sides" or "hide away" and many creative stuff....but there was a weird one: "it could destroy itself so he not lose to humanity in war, but defeat himself and thus taking away the glory of humans winning" - which is hilarious and I saw Kirk making him blow up haha

  • @shawarden
    @shawarden 3 роки тому +1

    Too bad Captain Pike didn't know to pick up the phone the first time Control replied "No, please die now."

  • @ericaarseth7678
    @ericaarseth7678 Рік тому +1

    You forgot "I Mudd" were Kirk talks a android to death.

  • @Master_Blackthorne
    @Master_Blackthorne Рік тому +1

    Really like this video. I remember when Star Trek the Motion picture came out I saw the machine wining in two places:
    First, too many special effects. Awesome, but they dwarf the presence of the actors and all you're seeing is a magic lantern show.
    Secondly, joining with a machine? After Kirk killed so many computers? I don't think so. I hate McCoy's line when he said that they've witnessed the next step in their evolution. That was the most un-McCoy action I've ever seen.

  • @logiciananimal
    @logiciananimal 3 роки тому +4

    There's another interesting subtext to "The Ultimate Computer" - Daystrom's breakdown seems to be partially rooted in his desire to outdo his previous accomplishments. One common complaint about technology is that in order to design it one has to think like it (as someone who does and teaches aspects software development I have seen this a common complaint about programming). Consequently the episode has a version one of the lessons as "Plato's Stepchildren", oddly - the idea "do you want to be like them?"

  • @ronaldjones5589
    @ronaldjones5589 3 роки тому +1

    Nothing can hurt you, I am great,you are great, 20 years proving the things I did before were not accidents, semanards and lectards to rows of fools who couldn't began to unstand my systems

  • @BattlestarZenobia
    @BattlestarZenobia 2 роки тому +1

    M-5 not putting Kirk on the away mission has alway felt hilarious that it’s supposed to be sinister, it’s the fucking regulations for the Captain not to go down

  • @miked8064
    @miked8064 3 роки тому +1

    I mean, I'll admit it - I had no idea who John Henry was and had to go look it up. Didn't learn much about American folk heros growing up in Canada. Mostly we just use you guys as an example as to why single payer healthcare is a good thing.

  • @kdisley
    @kdisley 3 роки тому +1

    To be fair, with Nomad being a computer intelligence, I can't help thinking it would likely operate like any other computer - which is to say, it would execute actions in the order it received them.
    In which case, when Kirk tells it that it's imperfect and should destroy itself, its response should've been: "Okay, I accept your conclusion and have absolutely added it to my to-do list. Imma just finish killing all these humans first and then get right on it!"
    I don't think that it was trying to kill two birds with one stone by self-destructing, either, because computers don't parallel-process like that - Nomad should've completed one action (by satisfying the perameters which were laid out, which means *confirming* that it had killed all the humans) before attempting the next action of destroying itself.

  • @savagegardenrox
    @savagegardenrox 3 роки тому +4

    That abrupt dip into Spirk territory was... unexpected

  • @candybanks8717
    @candybanks8717 Рік тому +1

    What about Mudd's androids?

  • @LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat
    @LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat 3 роки тому +1

    Kidney Woman in Star Trek IV The Voyage Home: HE GAVE ME A PILL AND I GOT A NEW KIDNEY!

  • @nikoteardrop4904
    @nikoteardrop4904 Рік тому +1

    Funny, death by biting was not the first thing popped into my head when you said "with his mouth".

  • @TopherIsATribble
    @TopherIsATribble 3 роки тому +4

    The Monkees also had a really great episode addressing this that you should check out someday if you've ever got the time! Monkee Vs Machine, it's the 3rd episode of the series. I think it would be very enjoyable for you as a sort of more slapstick approach to this just for personal viewing to compare with this trope in Trek.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому

      "The Face of a genius!"
      Yep, a memorable episode considering I haven't seen it for over 40 years.

  • @lorcannagle
    @lorcannagle 3 роки тому +4

    And then at some point in the intervening century, they plugged Llandru back in. Good job!

  • @Monkofmagnesia
    @Monkofmagnesia 3 роки тому +2

    First time I saw this episode I was struck when one of the robed guards said, "Happy Communion," as it was hours after I received my First Communion (a Roman Catholic Sacrament). When I was in 8th grade, our class was forced to watch the 1968 Zeferelli "Romeo and Juliet." In the scene early in the film where they were fighting in the open market, my friend exclaimed, "Festival! Festival!"

  • @RockSoup
    @RockSoup 3 роки тому +3

    I swear there was a TNG where somebody tries this on Data and after a trademark confused expression, he shrugs it off and says, "That will not work on me." Did I imagine that?

  • @intercommerce
    @intercommerce 3 роки тому +1

    Great stuff. Should include Norman (I, Mudd), V'Ger, Dr. Korby & the gang on Exo III (all robotic ALF's), proving Enterprise computer wrong in Court Martial, destroying Trelayne's computer power source, stealing the Air Force's computer records of their presence on Tomorrow is Yesterday, enlisting Gary Seven into disabling his own computer, destroying Eminiar 7's war computers, Destroying Apollo's power source (likely computer-operated), destroying the programmed robotic planet-killer (and Kirk fixing two benevolent computers, on Yonada and Mirimani's planet, to atone for his computercidal ways)

  • @kaguya6900
    @kaguya6900 3 роки тому +1

    How could you miss the TOS episode where everyone gets into the fun of killing computers with words?! I, Mudd!! Where the writers explore new and different ways of murdering machines built to be logical!

  • @chrisclark7285
    @chrisclark7285 3 роки тому +1

    The thing that I never understood was, in the version I heard anyway, John Henry died at the end of that contest. Sure he was better than the steam drill the first time, but it would have won the rematch.

  • @peterferber1527
    @peterferber1527 Рік тому +2

    Hey, Steve. Thanks for the fabulous list of Kirk killing uppity computers. Here's what I remember: in Star Trek V, Kirk threatens a computer whose alluring voice, ending every sentence with "dear", annoys Kirk, and he makes the computer stop finishing every sentence with that word, and the threat is enough to make her stop. That final pouty "O-kay!" is very funny.
    He doesn't kill the computer, but I can easily imagine him following up on the threat, FYI.

  • @petro1986
    @petro1986 3 роки тому +3

    Tired: Kirk just knows how to logic a computer to destruction
    Inspired: Kirk isn't allowed to touch anything technical, less it breaks

  • @jenflipz1424
    @jenflipz1424 3 роки тому +1

    As I’m sure others have commented, Lower Decks did a follow up where they returned to Beta III only to find the people went right back to worshiping the computer (despite there being “do not worship” signs clearly displayed). You hardly ever talk about the “nutrek” shows on this channel. What do you think of Lower Decks? ( I love it but totally understand why it’s not everyone’s cup of Earl Grey)

  • @joshuahillerup4290
    @joshuahillerup4290 3 роки тому +3

    That message is pretty applicable today, with things like using AI for mortgage approvals and deciding minor criminal cases.

  • @snabbott
    @snabbott 3 роки тому +1

    Honorable mention: *Spock* disables a computer in "Wolf in the Fold" by telling it to calculate the exact value of pi.

  • @shadowsrose4978
    @shadowsrose4978 3 роки тому +1

    Kirk vs Glados!
    Ultimate showdown!

    • @whitewolf3051
      @whitewolf3051 7 місяців тому

      Kirk vs human sized and physical Cortana.

  • @davecross4408
    @davecross4408 3 роки тому +1

    The whole red hour festival thing was never explained in the episode

  • @daveroche6522
    @daveroche6522 Рік тому

    Every Kirk v Computer episode in 5 seconds...
    Kirk - "Computer",
    Computer - "Working",
    Kirk - "Computer, you're.........[ dramatic gesture ]......sh*t",
    Computer - "Agreed",
    Kirk - "Computer, p*ss off then",
    Computer "Daisy, daiyyyyyyyyyzeeee.........",
    DAAAA-DAAAAAAAAAAAAA, daahh-dat-dat-dat-daaaaaaaa......

  • @BioGoji-zm5ph
    @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 роки тому +1

    M5... the Proto-Skynet.

  • @GrannyGamer1
    @GrannyGamer1 3 роки тому +1

    Rogi here. Are you actively campaigning for a slot in a Star Trek writers room? Cuz, if you ain't, you should be. I listen to a LOT of ST analysis, reviews, etc.
    Are you aware that you're frequently more insightful than guests on Ready Room? (not the prop guy, the current composer or the costume mistress; they poop tribbles).
    I would... probably,..not sure... actually pay a subscription service to air classic Trek eps, rewritten in Shiveese. I don't even have to chemically alter my consciousness to thoroughly appreciate your writing.
    Not that I ever do that. Mostly, I just sit around, whining how boring and remedial most pop culture is these days.
    TLDR you're smart and funny AF

  • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
    @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 3 роки тому +3

    I'm sure that Kirk repeated his best moves in any relevant situation.

  • @theoges
    @theoges 3 роки тому +1

    What a silly notion, people being subservient to a computer.
    Anyways, let's see what UA-cam wants me to watch next.

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 3 роки тому

      "You are being watched" "Everything is alright" pleased exit comment routine. *Beep beep beep*

  • @touriewright5428
    @touriewright5428 3 роки тому +1

    So Steve what about when Kirk "killed" androids. Harry Mud and phisbin

  • @semiramis72
    @semiramis72 3 роки тому +8

    "You're not supposed to root for the steam drill."
    Tell that to Elon Musk.

    • @KaiHenningsen
      @KaiHenningsen 3 роки тому +2

      Given his engagement with AI safety, I suspect you wouldn't tell him anything new ...

  • @sgommerable
    @sgommerable 3 роки тому +5

    Red Hour sounds like a precursor to The Purge series

    • @scaper8
      @scaper8 3 роки тому +1

      I've heard, but never looked into it, that the creators of _The Purge_ franchise were inspired by "The Return of the Archons."

  • @alexweigelhikes
    @alexweigelhikes 3 роки тому +3

    I really appreciate the editing humor. I'm sure it's probably considered cheap, but editing-Steve interrupting ranting-Steve is just great. Sparsely used, and always funny.

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube 3 роки тому +2

    I presume there is already a popular fan fiction that pairs Kirk and Spock. My question is, do they call that shipping "Kock?"

    • @bjorn00000
      @bjorn00000 3 роки тому +2

      K/S fan fiction is the granddaddy of them all...

    • @arklestudios
      @arklestudios 3 роки тому +1

      Spirk, actually.
      Starring Colin Firth.
      Sorry, obvious joke, couldn't resist.

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin 3 роки тому

      I prefer to call them Spork

    • @cherylresnick-cortes1858
      @cherylresnick-cortes1858 Рік тому

      @@arklestudios It was called K/S long before "spirk" came about.

  • @AlexanderBlues1228
    @AlexanderBlues1228 3 роки тому +1

    I’m reminded of the “Simpsons” episode where the two vacuous drive-time DJs are threatened by being replaced by a machine. At one point, the computer says, “Looks-like-those-clowns-in-Congress-are-at-it-again. What-a-bunch-of-clowns.” “How does it keep up with the news like that?” asks one. “Don’t praise the machine,” says the other.

  • @brtv9909
    @brtv9909 3 роки тому +1

    These episodes were prophetic. Machines taking away human jobs etc.

  • @Mallory-Malkovich
    @Mallory-Malkovich 3 роки тому +1

    I hope Kirk and Spock get together in the next Star Trek reboot.

  • @ToniHomeperm
    @ToniHomeperm 3 роки тому

    Burnham should have used the Kirk effect on Control...........

  • @BioGoji-zm5ph
    @BioGoji-zm5ph 3 роки тому +1

    Actually, a Psychiatrist IS a therapist, and the Psychologist is the doctor who studies psychology. You got them backwards, Steve. Sorry.

    • @jhouston6
      @jhouston6 3 роки тому

      Steve got it right.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому

      Kirk was using a variant of the logic bomb on McCoy.

  • @louisvlleguy
    @louisvlleguy 3 роки тому +1

    When I was a kid watching 'Star Trek', it always bothered me that Kirk was the one that outsmarted the computers. It seemed like Spock would have been the one to do that, if anyone did. I was annoyed that Kirk came up with things that should have been obvious to Spock a lot of times. Ah well - I guess they had to make Kirk look like the ultimate example of a man. Glad that they moved passed that in later shows

    • @Troubleshooter125
      @Troubleshooter125 3 роки тому

      Well, keep in mind, too: Kirk could challenge and occasionally win against Spock in chess, so there are some dynamics in all of that to be considered, too.

  • @jkwatcher47
    @jkwatcher47 3 роки тому +2

    It feels like this video has reached the pinnacle of Steve’s sarcastic retellings of the Star Trek episodes. I laughed the entire time. Well done Steve!